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Fujiyama:
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I told you Bola Tinubu and his 'teamship' crew have absolutely nothing to offer. A billion US dollars for a trip to Switzerland? For a minister who doesn't know anything about Nigeria's trading partners or trade volumes?

Boss 😁. It’s a request. Let’s see if Tinubu would approve it. Then we can start to put him in those people’s category.

I would still give Tinubu one year to do all he is doing and then assess him, based on my little understanding.

Lawalemi:
Until Nigeria have leaders that would sit and be truthful with their conscience, evidence of misgovernance will continue to manifest in this manner.

Leaders are clueless. They are not magicians as well.

Youths too are mo.rons.

Until they come out across all 36 States and FCT and cause a stand-still for nearly half a year, that’s when we will all know we need to reset.

We endure too much.

Everything is rotten and youths are still online looking for shorts on aphrodisiac or watching useless skits while their lives burn away.

Listen to Showore and take your country back. Nobody will give it to you.

Those politicians and civil servants are cowards. But since nobody is challenging them, they will continue taking everybody for rides. It doesn’t take 200 years to come out of the woods.
China got transformed under 40 years.
UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar etc didn’t spend 50 years before they broke-through. .

When I talk about our civil servants, people think I don’t know what I am saying.
Civil servants are our first problem in Nigeria till this evening and they will remain our first problem forever if we don’t have them checked.

Lots of underarms dealing going on, a per-second basis, every day across ministries.

One can imagine what Nigeria loses every day to these people.

Instead of Nigerian youths to stand up against bad rulership, they would rather prefer to protest and request justice for their fallen musical hero or demand DNA test of someone’s baby.

Their future has been messed up with but they don’t know.

Those who tricked us into this type of democracy shall never make heaven.

Democracy where a governor is powerful than citizens.

Where politicians can do anyhow and electorates have no choice. ☹️

I doubt if this deputy too has anything in his head. Otherwise, he should prove me wrong.

We want unprecedented infrastructural development. Not monthly N30k salary.

Let him open up Ondo State.

Affordable housing
Mini power grids for communities.
Good roads and bridges (where compulsory).
Rebuild all those public schools and healthcare facilities.

Those could even help him secure another ticket for his party, while is oga is recuperating.

The state has the fund. I want his oga to come back pat him on the back that he did well.

Se na after this presentation the demolition of the building start?

NLcivilian:
I just pray I survive this situation as well. Life is rough and tough I am just tired. If not for my little kid, I would have ended it all. After loosing my job, to get another has not been easy. I just pray people like me can stay strong. It is well!!

You are a conqueror my brother. Don’t think of ending it. You are almost breaking through. I had stayed 7 years, after graduation, without a job and I know what you mean. Just think of a little side hustle for now.

You can change your location to a more cheaper place for now, while you shoot from afar. I am sure you would hit it.

Everything is gonna be alright.

Omoluabi16:
Neither of the warring parties have the interest of the masses at heart.

May you live longer.

We don’t say they shouldn’t ste.al but let them take care of the masses. People are suffering.
They don’t mind wasting billions of Naira on this, just to prevent some enemies from sitting because they too want to remain in power.

After how many years? Sets of failures.

They only know how to pay monthly salaries, steal, and barely scratch ground for development then wait for 8 years to choose another d.aunce that will come and st.eal.

Dem don see us finish.

[quote author=INTEGRITYA1 post=127456239][/quote]Whether from the report or from you. It’s off tangent. The report is not, officially, from GSK.

I was an insider for close to 2 decades at GSK and I still have access to people and info across GSK businesses in Africa and Europe.

We shouldn’t be heightening people’s apprehension.

INTEGRITYA1:
Its exit follows disappointing sales for many regional multinational pharmaceutical companies in the face of competition from cheaper generics from India and locally manufactured medicines

Nope.
They have best sales force around and have bulks to throw on ads and promo.

It’s just too costly to operate in Africa and the ease of doing business is not there.

Where a market is not delivering 5% of the group revenue but headaches from such market is more than 95% of the group’s headaches, you should know that Board would resolve to wind down from such market and look for alternative business model.

GSK’s branded generics are not sold under GSK’s name. They are sold under Allens & Hansbury.

Any product you see under GSK Pharmaceuticals (not GSK Consumer o), are all patented. No Indian or other local companies can manufacture them.

Panadol and co are under GSK Consumer. But all those big drugs dem, forget na imitation lo ba de o.

So your assertion is off tangent.

IyaTola:
it's possible if you have any of the following qualifications
ACA
CPA
FMVA
& Less than 25 yrs

FMVA is not recognizable. PwC won’t take that.

CPA may take much of his time and he could have aged before wanting to join any of the Big-4.

Let him first of all start applying for entry level jobs at the firm. Once he gets in, he would be given 2 years to become a chartered accountant and would be supported on his study path.

Alternatively, he can apply and start from similar/lower firms like PKF, BDO, Pedabo etc. They are not really lower o. I only used that word ni o. From there, he can later on join PwC as a Senior or as Manager, depending on good he is and how better he his at his work.

Too much talk. No action.

Mr. Minister, address this to the best of your ability. See what Minister Ojo is doing now.

Step on toes!
Decimate evil people around this darkness. Let them loose out!

It is not a space-science to fix the electricity problem.

Rany4all:
Even if you know the price of materials or buy them yourself, a fraudulent artisan can still swindle you by padding the quantities estimated. In fact the smart ones do not even pad price because that can be easily verified. They pad quantities because most clients can't estimate quantities themselves and hardly ever engage Quantity Surveyors. And when you're not around to supervise them, the extra materials are diverted and sold off or used on other projects.

Yes. You are right. And some people are saying we shouldn’t be wary of those guys.

They make building in Nigeria to look super-expensive. Meanwhile, an average Nigerian should be able to afford something small to be called a home.

PrimeQuay:
This debate will never end.

It’s a matter of trust vs convenience.

I would advise if you can buy materials yourself please do it.

If you want to know the original , pay the artisans to take you on a market tour to know the real suppliers/importers + original vs fake (note: do not buy anything on that day) etc

Now the question is , can you visit every market? Again convenience vs trust!

I always wonder why artisans will inflate material qty, inflate price then add Labor/workmanship then inflate transport too. Is that not greed?

Few tips & tricks
- When you send anyone to buy anything, always insists on receipt. Prices on receipts can be inflated, but the phone number of the seller will be there. Call after 2 days and ask for the same material on the receipt, you will know the truth!

- When an artisan request a certain quantity, you can buy 2/3 of the qty then make sure you monitor usage. If more is needed buy accordingly.

- when tilers are done tiling, measure the sqm tiled and pay for Labor accordingly vs the sqm quoted.

You are apt.

Iriruaga100:
I have been doing project supervision for some years and I say it here that Engineers and Artisans make extra cash from procurement of materials aside their supervision fee and Labour cost.

That’s exactly what I am saying. Buy why? Why must they build some slacks into cost of materials, after they have charged for logistics/transportation, labour fee?

One bad thing about them is that : they won’t add as low as N500 per piece that one can easily forego. Some start adding from N10k per piece of material, depending on that type of material.

I have seen where a product of N4k per piece was written (quoted) as N44k per piece. Yes. I mean it. And the artisan was to supply 40,000 pieces of those chemicals.
Why did we think most multinationals are leaving Nigeria? They are not leaving only due bad economic conditions. They are leaving because the way we procure.

Lots of our procurement managers roll in multi-million, stolen through padding, under-harm dealing in material procurements.

Same thing by our sales and marketing people in their sales and ads campaign.

I witnessed when P&G sacked the whole Finance and Procurement Teams in Agbara in 2016/2017.
It’s one of the reasons P&G left Nigeria. Its COGS and Opex were always higher than normal.

Engineers at companies and factories do their own.

Go and see what’s happening in 7up and other Indian, Lebanese, Nigerian companies.
Our people are not truthful. We blame everything on government.

My advocacy is to always go out and have updated info on quality and price of whatever they are buying for us.

Those that are buying it for us don’t have 2 heads. Some are even dul.ller than most people here. They could have some experiences in identifying materials. We too can identify them if we pay attention and find out more.

But with some little researches here and there and discreet information gathering, one would stay afloat of their tricks, may be not 100% but one would not sink.

Some of us form too busy or that I AM SENDING MONEY ON ERRAND.

A building project that costed someone N25 million, could not have probably costed more than N18million, if the project owner had paid due attention to material procurement by these people we talk about.

VicDs:
Values are fast depreciating.
I remember when gotv used to be for common man

Dstv used Gotv to fight StarTimes. Now that StarTimes is moribund, Gotv can do anyhow.

Caseless:
Wrong!!!

You consider closeness to raw material in the case of sighting an industry.

You have to consider which one gives you the maximum benefit.

If you are closer to raw materials and it’s costly on your route to market, you have to consider nearness to market.

You are open to all consideration. You can’t win on all. You have to forgo one for the other.
DANGOTE felt he could still get the raw materials cheaply while he situates the refinery in Lagos. That’s why he went for closer to market.

So Rule is not a static rule. You have to juggle things together and know which one is of lesser evil.

DANGOTE cannot risk the unrest going on in south south and then site his refinery there. You know he borrowed the money.

Those refineries in south south were constructed when there were nothing like unrest.

If you are situating your factory, you have to run away from a volatile region. It’s good to setup where it is safe l, even though you are not closer to raw materials.

michlins:
Dangote refinery is situated in the international free trade zone for a reason

Yes. It’s to take advantage of tax-free zone. Other states too have free trade zone, though they may not be as serious as Lagos.

The May reason he has chosen Lagos is nearness to everything that would make him sell quickly.

nwigwemark:
I knew they would come after that post.
Few years ago I negotiated price for the installation of aluminium window in a project in Kajola, I was surprised with the quality of frame that they used for me. Unfortunately I had to start afresh.

During lintel I provided 12mm rod and allowed the so called engineer to continue with his work. After lintel, I was lucky to be there when they wanted to put additional blocks after the lintel.

Immediately they put blocks on the lintel, everything collapsed and threw the mason on the floor. After medical attention, we checked and behold no iron rod was used for the lintel. That was how we brought down the entire lintel not so surprising, they stole the iron rod and did my lintel without iron because I was not there and I had no one to supervise them.


With my two projects ongoing in the East,I only negotiate labour with them and buy my materials. It is better I spend more money and get quality than to give the so called artisans money to buy materials for me.

As always they will condemn what I bought but I will always tell them to use it or they should go.

I learned in a hard way and I can't trust them again with buying of materials for me.

You are absolutely correct. Leave them to trust those guys at their own peril.

eteebanky1:
Dangote refinery won't be safe in Northern parts of Nigeria, south south and south east cos of numerous Boko Haram attacks, bandits attacks and IPOBs attack

His best bet is south west, where the refinery is suitated in Lagos is free trade zone by the way

You are correct. To even move crude from south to north would be too costly. NigerDelta is, somewhat, closer to Lagos waters than the North.

In economics, one of the factors you consider before setting up your industry or business is nearness to customer.

Dangote has to consider nearness to market too. Lagos has the volume of vehicles on the road than any other state. More than 90% of airlines are have their hubs in Lagos as well with their tank farms. Over half of Nigerian industries are in Lagos and Ogun.

The best place he could situate it is Ogun/Lagos.

michlins:
petrol will not be cheaper but it's expected that the pressure on our forex will reduce and the monies used to purchase something else.


Wahala will be if Dangote asks us to buy his products in dollars

It will be cheaper, later. We won’t pay in dollar because it’s a local sales. We don’t spend dollar in Nigeria. Only sales outside Nigeria can be made in other agreed foreign currencies.

nurd:
A few months ago, I was researching cement board to use for Exterior ceiling and was seeing 12k per one. I was still thinking about it. Then today, the Carpenter that wanted to do it for me said it costs 30k per one. Haa, from 12k? I later told him that's not the price that I've seen it elsewhere.

The lesson is, even if you're not buying yourself, nothing stops you from researching and knowing the price yourself in the market. Then when you get a quote, you'll be able to quantify it.

Mind you, this is for those who want to do DIY.

Exactly. Research! Don’t just do a few ‘negotiation’ with them and see yourself as a macho-man negotiator.
The carpenter guy is ready to swi.ndle you.

Don’t just throw your money at those people, except May be you didn’t sweat for the money.

Rayd502:
I agree with you on this...When I did mine ,I used Tower at the front of the building and some side windows visible from the front,while the others where thick ones.Now I can hardly differentiate between the two when I go around the house.


Although I must give credit to the fabricator,he did a fantastic job.

Thank God you are buttressing my point. People don’t know the reason why TOWER is expensive in Nigeria. It is because of cost of manufacturing, locally.

It is cheaper to import and sell those thick ones than locally made ones.
Just get an experienced fabricator. That’s all.

I read somewhere here that this practice should not be tried on wiring. The more better way to tackle that is to let the electricians give you their quotations and mention the exact type you must buy. After this, go out there to authorized dealer or even directly from factory and buy.
Must an installer buy materials for me?

More so, our c.ut-throat artisans are waiting to bamboos you with their gimmicks on how to scrape your head.

Truly, fishes eat fishes. Nigeria is a damn jungle.

nurd:
Although I don't know your location or what you want to use inside or if it's an engineer supervising for you, but I got a quote of 400k (complete with workmanship) for wiring 3 bedroom with visitors room. I'm supervising myself.

This is reasonable but you see all those 700k, 900k N1m+ quotations for 3 bedroom flat, make I no talk.

adeememman:
I'm not sure it's your field, premium is always premium and the quality will always be there. The only thing I will say is that good and strong fabrication is as important( more important self) as the quality of the materials.

Not my field. This thing is stationary. It doesn’t move around. Even intruders or burglars will struggle cutting the least premium brands.

I see buying premium aluminum as display of wealth. Nothing more.

It is when you tell someone that an aluminum is TOWER that’s when he/she knows. Place all the brands side-by-side, you would hardly notice any difference, except the fabricator didn’t maintain precision, neatness and accuracy in any of the casements made.

There are better things to spend money on than on window frames.

Abbeyb1ack:
Sincerely all this stress no worth am unless na very big project and you know how to identify the product correctly....you might think you are saving until the fabricator tells you na OFEGE you buy

You never hear stories like na wetin you buy I use sir

Let him use it whether ofege or not. It is your project. Not his project.

You should expect they will condemn it.

None of the three main aluminum brands cannot be broken by hand. So why are you spending on Tower since you know thick imported can do the job. It is self conviction that: I USED TOWER or for bragging purpose that you are paying for.

saydfact:
I'm sorry but there are some things you don't go to the market to price or buy when building. Aluminum, and electrical is part of them.

Pls, just negotiate and pay the man to do his job.

You even pay more when you go buy this things yourself...

I'll personally never advice this approach.... Except it's block, cement and somi wood.

In my opinion... You'll always end up paying more or buying fake.

It is what we have tried. We didn’t end up paying more. Having first-hand info about everything helps lower cost.
Just tell the fabricator to come and fabricate on site. Simple.

Godisgreatest1:
Good idea. I will act on it this weekend. Thank you Sir.

** Sum up …,
That’s what I meant.

You are welcome sir.

Ordinarily, when you go and buy the windows, without them installing it for you they have added profit element to it. They can’t sell it to you at cost. If they now add labour to it, assuming they are installing for you, it means they will make profit on materials and on labour.

Godisgreatest1:
Good afternoon Everyone,

I humbly wish you screen the attached quotation for Aluminium Casement Window with the following details:

Glass Thickness- 5mm (Blue Mirror)
Thick material (Dull white)
Duration of Work-14 days.

Thank you in anticipation for your response.

Oga.

I am not an aluminum person o but let him break down what he will use to make each window.

Go to market ahead and do a preliminary study of costs of materials.

Measure each window together with him and do the recordings. Some up all that would be needed.
Go to market and buy them yourself. Give them to him to use while you monitor it. Just build in like 7% waste into the aluminum material. Waste in other materials may not the up to that or could above that. Max 10% across board.

You see those artisans, they are ev.il.
They pad anything padable.

You would be surprised it will take you half of what he quoted.

Obasanjo ki.lled our education system. Period.

35billion that was 4x lesser than what Delta State Aline collected as monthly allocation for August 2023.

35billion that Gbemisola Saraki or her brother can write as Manager’s Cheque and give to FG!

Dem dey do Nigeria.

All iron rod importers, May God almighty punish you o.