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smokinloud:
I was replying to this. Jesus indeed, treated some sinners badly, he judged some sinners, he called some sinners fools, he condemn some that they will die in their sin, he call some religious authorities "son of satan" etc and these are not friendly words!.
About wearing ear ring, I will want you to read this verse of the bible and leave it to you to decide for yourself without twisting the verse.
1Timothy 2:9;

1 Timothy 2:9
[9]In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;

Ear ring is pearl and gold, isn't it?!.
If you consider ear ring to be just a thing of fashion then no wahala but some people consider it a pearl and a gold and consider it unnecessary.

Read your Bible on your own and you will discover some interesting truths. Ornaments of gold were wore by royals and it was also an item used to honour people. Jesus was giving gold as a present and Godly men and women in the Bible also accepted ornaments of gold and wore them.

Genesis 41:42
Genesis 24:47
Joshua 22:8
1 Chronicles 18:7-11
1 Chronicles 20:2
Daniel 5:29
Esther 8:15
Job 42:11

Apostle Paul was the kind of person that was super careful, he tried as much as possible to avoid sin, to the extend that he advised virgins to stay unmarried if they can. He majorly taught us not smell or touch sin so that we won't act on it. If Eve did not touch or smell the fruit in the Garden of Eden, she wouldn't have felt that it looks good to the extent of eating it. In 1 Timothy 2:9, Paul did not advise women to avoid wearing ornaments because it was a sin but because it could lead to sin. 1 Timothy 2:9 was only explaining that our physical beauty is not what matters, it was not condemning earring.

Some of the doctrines we are practicing today are punishment meant for Israel at a time when they were rebellious and some were just temporary commandments used to control specific situations. In Exodus 33:5-6, the Israelites stop wearing earring for a while not forever.

smokinloud:
One mistake you are making is that Jesus and Paul were always friendly. That's not true. No one can change anybody, only the holy spirit can convert soul. The holy spirit can use your anger at times to cause a positive change in the mind of someone.
John 2:14-16
[14]And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
[15]And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
[16]And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
Acts 17:22-25
[22]Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
[23]For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
[24]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
[25]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

You think it's "friendly" to go to a pagan temple where they have been worshipping their idols even before paul was born and start condemning and preaching against it?!.
No, Jesus and Paul were not always friendly. Even the bible says "our God is a consuming fire" fire is not friendly...

Is wearing earring a sin?

smokinloud:
One mistake you are making is that Jesus and Paul were always friendly. That's not true. No one can change anybody, only the holy spirit can convert soul. The holy spirit can use your anger at times to cause a positive change in the mind of someone.
John 2:14-16
[14]And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
[15]And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
[16]And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
Acts 17:22-25
[22]Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
[23]For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
[24]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
[25]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

You think it's "friendly" to go to a pagan temple where they have been worshipping their idols even before paul was born and start condemning and preaching against it?!.
No, Jesus and Paul were not always friendly. Even the bible says "our God is a consuming fire" fire is not friendly...

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smokinloud:
One mistake you are making is that Jesus and Paul were always friendly. That's not true. No one can change anybody, only the holy spirit can convert soul. The holy spirit can use your anger at times to cause a positive change in the mind of someone.
John 2:14-16
[14]And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting:
[15]And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;
[16]And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father's house an house of merchandise.
Acts 17:22-25
[22]Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
[23]For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
[24]God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
[25]Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;

You think it's "friendly" to go to a pagan temple where they have been worshipping their idols even before paul was born and start condemning and preaching against it?!.
No, Jesus and Paul were not always friendly. Even the bible says "our God is a consuming fire" fire is not friendly...

I am not trying to shade Christianity, not all Churches treat visitors that way, I was even surprised at the way I was treated that day. I am just specifically curious about where God condemned earring in the Bible? I accept that all Churches have their own doctrines but some of these Churches still use there doctrines to rate Christians from other Churches. Is wearing earring a sin or just some Church doctrines? I can't find any verse in the Bible that condemns earring. If you know any please indicate.

Jesus drove those that were doing business inside the Temple out, how does it relate to this? Show me another set of people He sent out?

If you read 1 Corinthians 9:18-23 and Roman 14:1-14, you will realize that they were wrong.

Kooldon:
Every Association has a constitution to be followed by members. Same is applicable to a Church's Doctrine.
Either you abide or you seek your salvation else where.

Church is different from a business. If I was an unbeliever that is attending Church for the first time, would they have won my soul with such an act? Jesus did not treat sinners badly He made friend with them in order to win their souls. Paul was also friendly to sinners in order to win their souls.

Even though I had to follow certain doctrines when I was younger, I have come to question some of them as they cannot be proven through the Bible. I am particularly curious about where the Bible specifically forbids wearing earrings. My parents are devout Christians, and they did not even pierce my ears, let alone allow me to wear earrings. However, one day I felt like wearing an earring, so I put on a magnetic earring and went out. Later in that day, I attended a Church program a friend invited me but when I got to the Church, I was asked to remove my earring or leave.

I am not trying to shade Christianity, not all Churches treat visitors that way, I was even surprised at the way I was treated that day. I am just specifically curious about where God condemned earring in the Bible? I accept that all Churches have their own doctrines but some of these Churches still use there doctrines to rate Christians from other Churches. Is wearing earring a sin or just some Church doctrines? I can't find any verse in the Bible that condemns earring. If you know any please indicate.

Even though I had to follow certain doctrines when I was younger, I have come to question some of them as they cannot be proven through the Bible. I am particularly curious about where the Bible specifically forbids wearing earrings. My parents are devout Christians, and they did not even pierce my ears, let alone allow me to wear earrings. However, one day I felt like wearing an earring, so I put on a magnetic earring and went out. Later in that day, I attended a Church program a friend invited me but when I got to the Church, I was asked to remove my earring or leave.

I am not trying to shade Christianity, not all Churches treat visitors that way, I was even surprised at the way I was treated that day. I am just curious specifically about where God condemned earring in the Bible? I accept that all Churches have their own doctrines but some of these Churches still use there doctrines to rate Christians from other Churches. Is wearing earring a sin or just some Church doctrines? I can't find any verse in the Bible that condemns earring. If you know any please indicate.

damilola4162:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irhiEDGDpfw



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I don’t understand why a pastor will open Hilda’s instagram page without being invited and criticize her. There were a lot of sinners in Jesus time but He did not go to look for them and start judging and criticizing them like the Pharisees expected Him to do (Matthew 9:10-11), He even accepted invitations from sinners that invited Him to come and dine with them (Mark 2:15) but this extremely holy pastor could not even look at a sinner, he had to immediately condemn Hilda and call her names after poking his nose into her business, did Paul call sinful brethrens names? Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 5 were words of wisdom and advice, they were not laws. Paul realized that those set of people were polluting the Church and causing division and confusion in the Church while he was away and they were reported to him on several occasions, he had to take that bold step to stop such an evil from destroying the Church, in 1 Corinthians 5, he mainly referred to an arrogant man who took his father’s wife and was still boasting about his sinful act, such an act was not just Biblical unaccepted, it was also generally unacceptable even among pagans, it was a taboo and an act of wickedness. The man could have dented the image of the Church with such act of wickedness and unbelievers would have thought Christianity is a religious that permits wickedness because instead of being remorse and repenting, he was boasting of his sin and backing it up with useless arguments.

In those days, Christianity had not spread so much because it just started and Christians were constantly being persecuted, it was necessary to keep people who could pollute the Church out in order to set the record straight. Christianity has now spread all over the world and even unbelievers know that we have morally standard laws guiding the Church, so if we can decide to keep our sinful brethrens in the Church and continue to preach to them as long as they are not disturbing the peaceful co-existence of the Church or polluting others by backing up their sins with wrong sayings and teachings, hopefully they will repent before Jesus Christ comes back to separate the goat from the sheep. If you go through your Bible properly you will realize that sinners were permitted in the Church.

This critic pastor is not even in the place to criticize Hilda because he is not her pastor. Before you even denounce sinful brethrens you are expected to first preach to them (James 5:19-20, Galatians 6:1, Thessalonians 3:14-15). He has not met Hilda in person and preached to her once, talk less of constantly, yet he condemned her and even called her names, did Apostle Paul call sinful brethrens names? In 1 Corinthians 9:18-23, Paul explained how he used different strategies to win souls, he even became like the weak to gain the weak. The pastor has not done the work of God by condemning Hilda, he only edified himself to receive praises from his congregation; he did not win a single soul. Jesus hate sin but loves sinners, preach with love if you want to preach, you did not take a nail for anyone, correct people don’t condemn them. Satan is our major enemy not our brethrens. We all were once sinners but we were saved by grace, Jesus died for all of us more than 2,000 years ago, that was a very long time before we existed and did any works, stop boasting and save souls (Ephesians 2:9).

justt:
Two things are obviously in your post:

1. You know some scriptures though lacking the understanding,

2. You are not yet born again.

Every born again Christian has perfect hatred for sin. Are you saying Paul had to sin to minister to sinner?

Do you mean you can call yourself a Christian and still be living (including dressing) as a sinner?

What's your understanding of being born again, does it include submitting to lordship of Jesus? I mean does your being born again include you pleasing Jesus in every aspect of your life, including dressing or do you mean Jesus will approve of a dress like that?

Do you know that Christianity is not a religion; it's a way of life or a lifestyle.

Those who are outside (unbelievers), we know they are outside and we are praying for them. But do you mean those who claimed to be born again should be pampered in their sins? For what, so that they will backslide?

What's is the purpose of being born again and attending a church if you still want to live like a sinner?!

I will sincerely advise you to go back to God and ask for salvation experience.



Did you actually mean this? The Church is now meant for keeping sinners, like seriously?

Please go back to God and ask him to save your soul.
Your understanding is salvation and the church of God is totally messed up. You are not qualified to talk in this matter.

(James 5:19-20, Galatians 6:1, Thessalonians 3:14-15)

I don’t understand why a pastor will open Hilda’s instagram page without being invited and criticize her. There were a lot of sinners in Jesus time but He did not go to look for them and start judging and criticizing them like the Pharisees expected Him to do (Matthew 9:10-11), He even accepted invitations from sinners that invited Him to come and dine with them (Mark 2:15) but this extremely holy pastor could not even look at a sinner, he had to immediately condemn Hilda and call her names after poking his nose into her business, did Paul call sinful brethrens names? Paul’s words in 1 Corinthians 5 were words of wisdom and advice, they were not laws. Paul realized that those set of people were polluting the Church and causing division and confusion in the Church while he was away and they were reported to him on several occasions, he had to take that bold step to stop such an evil from destroying the Church, in 1 Corinthians 5, he mainly referred to an arrogant man who took his father’s wife and was still boasting about his sinful act, such an act was not just Biblical unaccepted, it was also generally unacceptable even among pagans, it was a taboo and an act of wickedness. The man could have dented the image of the Church with such act of wickedness and unbelievers would have thought Christianity is a religious that permits wickedness because instead of being remorse and repenting, he was boasting of his sin and backing it up with useless arguments.

In those days, Christianity had not spread so much because it just started and Christians were constantly being persecuted, it was necessary to keep people who could pollute the Church out in order to set the record straight. Christianity has now spread all over the world and even unbelievers know that we have morally standard laws guiding the Church, so if we can decide to keep our sinful brethrens in the Church and continue to preach to them as long as they are not disturbing the peaceful co-existence of the Church or polluting others by backing up their sins with wrong sayings and teachings, hopefully they will repent before Jesus Christ comes back to separate the goat from the sheep. If you go through your Bible properly you will realize that sinners were permitted in the Church.

The pastor is not even in the place to criticize Hilda because he is not her pastor. Before you even denounce sinful brethrens you are expected to first preach to them (James 5:19-20, Galatians 6:1, Thessalonians 3:14-15). He has not met Hilda in person and preached to her once, talk less of constantly, yet he condemned her and even called her names, did Apostle Paul call sinful brethrens names? In 1 Corinthians 9:18-23, Paul explained how he used different strategies to win souls, he even became like the weak to gain the weak. The pastor has not done the work of God by condemning Hilda, he only edified himself to receive praises from his congregation; he did not win a single soul. Jesus hate sin but loves sinners, preach with love if you want to preach, you did not take a nail for anyone, correct people don’t condemn them. Satan is our major enemy not our brethrens. We all were once sinners but we were saved by grace, Jesus died for all of us more than 2,000 years ago, that was a very long time before we existed and did any works, stop boasting and save souls (Ephesians 2:9).