₦airaland Forum

Allah Subhana Wa Ta Alla!

Allah, the Lord of the Realms!

He created everything beautiful, in pairs and opposite so there can be balance. He put in mankind the emotion of love, of kindness and of knowledge.

Arabs say it is forbidden for certain gender of mankind to show emotion, to demonstrate knowledge or to be kind. They call it shirk....a forbidden act! They turn themselves to god and kill anyone who does what Allah says is good. They abuse the dignity of persons and humiliate their spirit.

This is anti-humanity and anti-divine. They say if they were wrong Allah would have punished them but instead he blesses them....as show of their righteousness. They call their abundant wealth proof of God's love.
At a time when Egypt was anti-God it controlled the entire global order. Greeks were atheists and turned away from religion and spiritual faith. Both were immensely rich and powerful. So was Ottoman.

The decay and neglect of young innocent children in Northern Nigeria is direct influence of ideological training sponsored and endorsed by Saudi Arabia and perpetrated by Northern leaders who voluntarily submit to the will of Arabs.....in error....thinking doing so is rewarding in front of Allah and will count in their favor in the hereafter.

The sooner Northerners turn away from these kafirs the better, so they can implement new ideologies of love, compassion, knowledge for their children....away from the current teachings of hatred and kill kill kill against their fellow humans.

Gandollaar:
Hian..
This post can procure fatwa to you notwithstanding.

I will submit their case to Sango for electrocution.

SonofDevil:
Saudi Arabia doing everything possible to catch up with dubai UAE. Tourism is the next cash cow after crude oil. Saudi is gradually diversifying from dependency of crude oil. They re abolishing all those archaic rules just to attract tourist like dubai.

Those bloody kafirs!

I have always preached against anything the takes its Islamic authority from these camel screwers.

Anybody that delights in abuse of humanity and its accompanying dignities is opposed to Allah, however much he prostrates and count the beads. Arabs are kafirs!

Gandollaar:
Yet they say no religious intolerance among Yorubas. Here's an Ifa worshipper hating on yoruba mooslims.

Shut up! Im a muslim!

A Yoruba muslim, not a Nigerian muslim.

Nigerian muslims are on remote control from Sokoto

LZAA:
Metaphysical wee not like this

No, i do not! Leave my Aunty alone and stop mixing her with nonsense.

Aunty Tonto, we love you!

Some mumu muslims in Nigeria have always argued that segregation was mandated by Allah.

So has Allah relaxed the law?

I need answer from responsible muslims, not touts that finish ablution and throw water up in air for a final sprinkle of cleanliness.

I hope they will work on exiting the Federation curriculum as well and go back to being an independent university.

gregyboy:
Yes...and you wouldn't make go and search out for you and after doing that you will endup claiming is edo source and not itsekiri source of info....

Go and do the research yourself....

And even if the itsekiris didnt have Any connection with Benin monarchy free trade
Btween both party would allow itsekiris trade canoes to edos and even serves as edo sailor's.....

This in fact happened!

gregyboy:
Yes...and you wouldn't make go and search out for you and after doing that you will endup claiming is edo source and not itsekiri source of info....

Go and do the research yourself....

And even if the itsekiris didnt have Any connection with Benin monarchy free trade
Btween both party would allow itsekiris trade canoes to edos and even serves as edo sailor's.....

It doesnt exist!

I have read up on the politics of Bini River and everything recorded by colonists and even slave traders. I didnt just say what i did in absense of a thoroughly reviewed history. I know the history of every coastal people from Badagry to Warri, because I have an interest and as a passionately patriotic Yoruba, a responsibility to know my region and its territories thoroughly.

There is nothing any of you guys in mid south can talk here about the sea coast that is foreign to my ears.

When Britain was trying to establish indirect rule they studied relationship between Olu and OmonOba. Itsekiri was ahead of Bini in economic dominance because of advantage of the river. Itsekiri was the gateway to interior. Like I said, their origin was Ijebu.

In Yorubaland Ijebu showed Egba and Ibadan pepper over trade access to the coast. Ijebu monopolized the waters and created blockades...and it took wars to finally get them to yield, even upon that they still stubbornly tolled the waters.

Ijebu and Itsekiri are the leading seafarers and naval force in history of coastal people. Awori, Ilaje and Ijaw used the sea strictly for commerce.

This may explain why in all its expeditions Bini never tried Ijebu.

Also, the name Edo itself was given by Yoruba. The people we call Edo today were ancestrally not Edo people.

I refer you back to top where I mentioned that Idu originated from Ife. Picture Ife as the center....

North, South, West, East of Ife
...Idu changes and become
Ido
Odo
Ado
Edo

Odo Ogbolu
Odo Oya
Idogushi
Ado
Ondo
Edo

The term Edo itself is authentic Yoruba word. As I earlier said Idu is always relative. When in stillness it is Idu, Ido, Edo, Ado, when in motion it is Odo. For instance a town named Ado Odo - the settling of Orisha by the river bank. Ado Ekiti - the settling of Orisha by the valley. The pronounciation and its form changes based on dialect but the sense and phenomenon remains constant and uniform across anywhere a Yoruba Orisha settles. We are Orisha people, our destiny is defined by it and so it is a reference in everything we do.

I encourage you to read deeply into the relationship between Itsekiri and Bini. The two monarchs are bloodline but completely separate and independent authorities and control....Bini has no political authority over the Olu's throne.

gregyboy:
Ooni is from the bllodline of omo n oba
Benin ruled over itsekiri and the monarch is of benin hereditary so stop fighting yourself....
The itsekiri lend benins is warrior during war and paid tribute to Benin...

So what are trying to prove here

Does Itsekiri pay tribute to Bini?

Dont just answer, attach good reference to your response.

sofiscatedmoron:
it means bini was under western territory, olodo

So why wasnt Asaba monarch listed?
Asaba was also under Western territory.

Why wasnt Itsekiri monarch listed?

gregyboy:
Itsekeris was not part of benin kingdom but its kingship is benin ....
Are you not fighting yourself on this statement


You're trying so hard to twist history you will only end up biting yourself....

I gave you so many instance were Benin could migrate over seas buy instead you re still fighting yourself to the extent you said itsekiris were not part of benin kingdom

Are you aware the oba of benin requested a very powerful son of olu of itsekiris to reconquer akure....and the oba gave the son a land in benin as gift after the war

Im very clear on what im saying. You have problem with grammar and word usage.

When you say Itsekiri is part of Bini Kingdom, you are giving the idea that Bini is the overlord of Itsekiri.

If thats not what you mean then use proper expressions to communicate ideas and stop mumbling.

All traditionally sword bearing monarchs take their root from Ile Ife. They are all dynasties of Oduduwa.

Some of them also have spin offs but majority are "independent".

Independence means, politically, they are not part of their parent dynasty....even when fraternally they are a single blood line.

So express your ideas with clarity, not the nonsense you have been writing about Esan and Edo piloting war boats or Itsekiri being part of Bini.

Olu Itsekiri is bloodline of Omo n'Oba who in turn is bloodline of Ooni....but each is independent of the other.

Chidorx60:
The issue of seafaring is easy to clarify the benins never really practiced navigation as an independent art....Oba Orhogbua was a master sea farer he learnt this art not from the crude implements of the itshekiris but from the masters of the sea at that era of time fro. The Portuguese it is well documented how Oba Orghobua travelled to lesbon Portugal to learn the art of sea travel and even returned with Christianity which he later had to choose between the throne.... The Oba choose the throne and taught his people how to navigate the rivers....so I hope u now get how Benin conquered her neighbours who were over riverine areas..........

I hope Binis reading this nonsense slap you for debasing their monarch that he went to acquire a skill typically reserved for guilds sworn to service under the sword of the throne. Orogbuha reigned in the 1600s. I hope you know that. Even his chiefs will not bring themselves low to acquire skill on paddling canoes. You dey craze to think i be mumu you can just tell fables.

sofiscatedmoron:
my brother, lagos is not part of afonja land , the original owners are the binis, kiss the truth

....and the Binis are part of Afonja.

Dont you see if Lagos is not Yoruba because it is not in list of Yoruba Obas...but the monarch of Bini is in the list, then what does that make Oba of Benin....

Una no get sense....just like to blow vuvuzela without harmony.

sofiscatedmoron:
lagos had never been part of afonja land, did you see any of them there?,
nowadays they are claiming lagos

Lagos was not included because it was under treaty as a colony, and not a province.

ib0221:
You are right here.

No, he'not!

The date on the paper was much earlier than the period he referenced by about 20yrs.

Kingluqman:
This is not the rank of how powerful they are, it’s just their salaries. Mind you, Alaafin was collecting more money than others is because the king oversee all the Oyo Empire which comprises of many towns of Yoruba land even to Benin republic.


Till today, Ooni of Ife still remain the number 1 Oba in Yoruba land and second to Sultan of Sokoto in Nigeria.


Argue with your balls

How did you come about the ranking between Ooni and Sultan?

gregyboy:
Hmm is like you are asking how did the edo migrate to present day delta state and how they managed to crooss the river ,is like you are also asking how edo fought the igalas and how they crossed the river niger,

Nigga take a chill pill if edos didnt make boat they could buy boat or canoe from people who did....
And they could also use spiritual means to calm the water for easy passing
The edo people were very conversant with the europeans who brought boat at thier arrival so i wonder with all this you still asking....
The itsekiris were part of the benin empire and they produce most of benin war equipment the flags ,boat ,canoe

Gregyboy,
You are even committing more blunders in your attempt to give clarifications.

Let me do this, i dont want to stress you, so I will ask you to bring both Esan and Edo people who know thoroughly the history of the coast to come and defend lies put up there by the author. I understand you were planning this to be a series. Part I is already controversial. Be clear before posting more parts.


Let me also use the opportunity now to correct you that Itsekiri Kingdom was not part of Benin Kingdom. Each was an independent Kingdom.

Itsekiriland was settled by Ijebus many centuries ago. Their Monarch now is a dynasty from Benin. Their story is similar to Lagos, settled by Aworis.

Thats roll call in Ikoyi Prisons.

The letter says...

LETTER OF COURTESY VISITATION
We wish to seek the indulgence of your earliest convenience for the introduction of our team.

We wish to get a signed response due to the urgent matter sir.


This is how IGP Transformer embarassed his self on tv.

stonemasonn:
They're very capable sir. It can never happen under General Obasanjo. Leadership matters.

So leadership under Obasanjo would create a Command Secondary School in a troubled area to make it more secured?

gregyboy:
Its all in the post if you will open your mind to see...the post was not wriiten by me but
Edo historian i didn't plan to cause any debate but to show the benin- esan relationship
So if you're taking it for debate ...
Because the article simply said the truth then you could bring evidence that edo never influence lagos

Mind you i have seen an ondo lady ,who speaks Yoruba and i ask if she is yoruba she said no that she is benin that her ancestors migrated to ondo before pre colonial era but they still retain thier benin greetings to show they are edos

I dont care what your source is.

Let's start with the first lie....that Esan was an amphibian force and played major role in aiding of Oba of Benin in the conquest of Lagos.

I say Esan was never a seafarer. So how did you become a naval force...much more an amphibious attack unit waging war across waterways?


Clarify your position on Esan being a naval force before we discuss anything else.

gregyboy:
Haha....no need to argue ...

The post had said it all

Idumota = center of road
Eki= market

No matter how you try to twist it history cant be written we will continue telling the truth on the history and it pains you so much we minorites ruled over western yoruba....
Then try to make a better history for yourself while you guys have the upper hand....
The size of your population does not matter..in achieving greatness
We ruled over ife and the entire yorubas

You failed to articulate the history and its roots that places Esan or Edo as having footprint in Lagos.

If you have such history of fact please share here.

May his soul rest in peace.

This should not be a breaking news abeg. It should simply say confirmation news.

On the issue of names in Lagos.

Idu is a prefix that is widely used in Yoruba language. I give few samples.

Idu-ro
Idu-nu
Idu-mu

These Idus are Ife lexicon. In places further South of Ife the use of Ido as prefix is common. The two- Idu and Ido are same.

Benin is a product of Ife. Its cults were also of Ife.

What is meaning of Idu/Ido in Yoruba?

It is the expression of state of being and it is relative to motion. So that when a body is at rest, relatively it is not in motion. Idu/Ido is used to express that state of inertia.

Idumota- Idu+imota
Idushagbe - Idu+ishagbe
Idutafa - Idu+utafa
Idumagbo - Idu+magbo
Idumoyinbo - Idu+oyinbo
Iduoluwo - Idu+oluwo
Iduganran - Idu+iganran


Each of these locations were the resting places of cult shrines.

Idushagbe for instance was the shrine temple of Ogboni cult and houses a particular covenant of Malaki and Ejilu, two principals of Orisha Adimu.


Idumoyinbo was a later addition and when a shrine was created after invasion of Lagos by white colonialists.

These shrine centers became settlements and communities with time. Nowadays no one even associates them as cult settlements originally.

This practice of travelling with cults for settlement is not unique to Benin settlers in Lagos. The firat settlers, and original owners, the Aworis have a similar trajectory after they left Ife. They built shrines for their cults in Lagos. One of them is Elegba. When you hear Ojuelegba you take it to be a metro community, but in its origin it was a shrine center where the Awori priest would go to pay homage to Elegba.


We origins of Lagos have kept quiet for too long and allowed foreigners to lay stupendous and fabulous claims to a city from where your captured forefathers were bound into ships and ported out. Now we have to listen to descendants of slaves tell us they own Lagos. Thats an error, Lagos was a market that sold Esan forefathers off into slavery.

As long Im here Im going to fight you guys back from your frivolous bullshytes.

Benin is the only class with footprints in Lagos, and itself a scion of Ife Kings.

Edo and Esan bullshytes should be directed Eastward into the jungle of Iboland....you will find your connections there.

gregyboy:
In the war between Uzea and Benin in the 16th Century when Ozolua was Oba of Benin, two then very powerful and competing monarchs lost their lives. Onojie of Uzea was beheaded and the model of the bust of his head is cast and preserved in the Benin Museum till date. As a reprisal, the soldiers of the slain Onojie of Uzea went after the Oba and killed him at Uromi. This version is supported by Dr Okogie’s account.

A Benin version by Professor Egharevba, has it, understandably out of pride preservation, that it was not the Uzea or Uromi warriors that killed Ozolua but the betrayal of Ozolua own soldiers who were weary of the many wars of Ozolua. Bottomline was that Oba Ozolua was killed and buried in Esanland.

The original word, after the death of Ozolua, was “Esan Gbe Edo” meaning “Esan defeated Benin”. This even became family names and lasted for many years until Benins restored diplomatic relationship with Esans when they needed the Esan war machines to conquer their enemies and acquire new lands overseas (across the Benin river, note that Benin were hitherto forbidden to cross the sea out of Benin City for fear of slaves excaping) in the reign of Oba Orhogbua who had Esan connections (It is believed his mother was Esan) and used Esan, mostly Uromi/Uzea, warriors and sailors in his expansionists campaigns overseas (Delta, Akure, Eko and Dahomey).

You will notice that although it is said that Benin conquered and founded Lagos in the time of Orhogbua, but the soldiers who actually did the founding of Lagos were led by Generals Isidahomey and Agba of Uromi and mostly Esan and Urhobo soldiers raising the Benin flag. That explains why the socalled Edo names noticed in Lagos are actually Esan names; Eko (Lagos), Idumu (Idumagbo(Idumu-Igbon), Idumota, etc), Ogba (Garden), Eki (Yorubas later corrupted it to be Ile-Eki or Lekki which was where slaves were sold), Ido (means stones – Benins calls stones Ugbe, not Ido or Udolo – where they found rocks), and other names.

At this time, during the expansionist period of Oba Orhogbua, both Esan and Benin people decided to bury the hatchet and restore their ancient fraternity. It should be noted that in reference to Benin here, what is meant is the area where the Oba is which is today Oredo LGA. That was the Edo and all others including other areas which speak Benin language where Isi (the same as Ekpoma, Uromi, Ewu, Iguobazuwa, Orhionmwon, Ovia, owab, etc.

Then came the truce period, the Treaty of Peace, which Esan calls ‘Ukoven’, which was done and sealed by planting the Ohimi trees, what may be today at Ewohimi, and they pledged, on the Ohimi Oath, “Esan I Gbedo” meaning “Esans would no longer attack Benin”.

One thing that could be deduced here is that Esan people were warriors and mighty in battle. They however consider themselves as a part and parcel of Benin but never servants or slaves but royal part and stake holder in the development of Benin. Most Esans left Benin in the time of Ewuare whose policies were insensitive and unreasonable. The warriors in Benin and nobility left the kingdom for Ewuare to go found their own kingdoms.

Seafarers, also called Canoe people, were the soldiers and sailors on the cross-water expedition undertaken by Benin Westward. There were only five Canoe people, or Seafarers in the history of Coastal Nigeria. This would mean before, and after creation of Nigeria. I list them below.

Awori
Ijebu
Ilaje
Itshekiri
Ijaw.

Any other people claiming to be on Bini war expeditions are fantasy writers.

In fact, till today there is a people in Lagos called Oloko - Seafarers! Their root is Ilaje and their story of settlement dates even further back than Oba Orogbhua reign.

pacespot:
Nigerian men are really shameless, even a woman not as beautiful as her will get such attention from them. Don't be surprised most of these men are married and older men.

What do you call beautiful? With comments like this i can see why some of you suffer erectile dysfunction before turning 40.

You are looking at sumptuous delicacies on her chest, ....put your eyeball where hips and thighs are....now imagine what those proportions will mean for the @ss dimension and curvature. Im already freaking hard just looking at her endowments and wondering "what if".

When you looked at her what did you see.....were your eyes on the face?

No man gets erection from face appearance.

Where is that erectile dysfunction herbalist to come and take this guy number.....here is your customer.

How is locating a Command Secondary School in Southern Kaduna going to improve security?

Both El Rufai and Buratai are not thinking.

Full Brigade Command HQ was victim of multiple security breaches by terrorists. What is a mere secondary school to do to deterr bandits and bokoharam?

Even Jaji, in Kaduna, which would be like our Pentagon, was attacked and the General fled, boko haram had a full day of operation and Army was unable to counterforce.

Our military force is just titles and exhibitions, they are models parading uniform, brass epaulettes and guns....they are incapable of "force" against an enemy assault.

gonkin:
It's why I hate push to start. My old car had this conversation that can make u start the car remotely but I refused to install

Good judgement!

If you enable remote start you are instructing the car starter to ignore NFC and start using Bluetooth by default.

conductor250:
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Wireless key entry does not use Bluetooth.

Wireless is the category label of a set of communication technologies that are not connected with wire. When connected with wire they are categorized as "wireline".

Bluetooth, Near Field Communication (NFC), WiFi, Infrared, Satellite, Radar...are examples of wireless communication.

Note that Infrared, Satellite and Radar were previously classified under RF communications...and still are! All wireless linkages are in fact Radio Frequencies signalling. Another good example is DECT...or Cordless devices.

Thats beautiful!