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sagenaija:
enilove, you are doing a very good job!
Particularly with this guy who keeps running from one issue to another.

It's amazing that even when the Koran is quoted he still can't see AND ADMIT his foolishness in trying to indict the Bible.

Instead of admitting where he went wrong he runs to ask another question or present what he thinks is another problem.

That is what mere cramming of a book can do to the human brain. It robs a man of the right cognitive function.

In the attempt to fault the Bible he ends up not realizing that his Koran (which borrowed heavily from Biblical stories) gets incriminated.

Well done!

How does these answer my questions?

enilove:
Bring all the professors , doctors , magicians of this world together and see if they can by their Knowledge , wisdom and magic create a BLOOD of animals or that of humans.
But Jesus did this as a token of the sign of who he is .

Who was Mary that concieved Jesus and birth him?

enilove:
Your Allah commanded your prophet to go and receive knowledge from the Christians and I showed this to you in your Qur'an. How does that warrant that nonsense you posted above?

Or you meant the brain of your prophet needed to be repaired because of the bewitchment he suffered ?
I think you are right if you meant it for your prophet :

Hadith

Narrated Aisha:
Once the Prophet (ﷺ) was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3175
In-book : Book 58, Hadith 17
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 53, Hadith 400  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

I believe you that something serious had gone wrong with the brain of your prophet . Eg.

Hadith
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.

Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 66
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 66
English translation : Book 1, Hadith 66
Abu Dawood

You better leave this filthy , dirty , insane prophet b4 it is too late for you.

Is this another reason why your brain need some repairs?

enilove:
Our God does not need a wife to have a Son unlike the Allah who needs a wife to have a son.

It is the power of God that made a virgin to have a son which your Quran could not deny but impossible for Allah.

No.
If your God does not need a wife to have a son, We were informed that one Mary got pregnant for you God.
Please reconcile.


Allah does not have any need for a son or whatsoever.

[19:88] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحۡمٰنُ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۸۸﴾

And (the disbelievers) say: ‘The Most Kind (Lord) has taken (to Himself) a son.’

[19:89] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"لَقَدۡ جِئۡتُمۡ شَیۡئًا اِدًّا ﴿ۙ۸۹﴾

(O disbelievers!) You have indeed brought most horrible and unusual evil (on your tongues).

[19:90] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"تَکَادُ السَّمٰوٰتُ یَتَفَطَّرۡنَ مِنۡہُ وَ تَنۡشَقُّ الۡاَرۡضُ وَ تَخِرُّ الۡجِبَالُ ہَدًّا ﴿ۙ۹۰﴾

The heavens may just burst at this (fabricated lie) and the earth split asunder and the mountains fall down to pieces,
[19:91] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اَنۡ دَعَوۡا لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ وَلَدًا ﴿ۚ۹۱﴾

That they have attributed a son to the Most Kind (Lord).

[19:92] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ مَا یَنۡۢبَغِیۡ لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۹۲﴾

And it is not befitting the Glory of the Most Kind (Lord) to take (someone as) a son.

[19:93] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اِنۡ کُلُّ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ اِلَّاۤ اٰتِی الرَّحۡمٰنِ عَبۡدًا ﴿ؕ۹۳﴾

Whoever is (dwelling) in the heavens and the earth (whether an angel, a jinn or a human being) will appear just as a servant before the Most Kind (Lord).

enilove:
Jesus created the animals , humans beings including Mary. That is the awesome power of our God.

Who was the mother of Jesus your God?

enilove:
"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird [\b]by permission of Allah.[\b] And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 49)

"I pity you . Are you Muslims the one to tell us the interpretation of the Bible..."

Stop putting words in Allah's mouth.

enilove:
I pity you . Are you Muslims the one to tell us the interpretation of the Bible when your prophet was commanded by your god to go and take lessons from the Christians ?

Interesting!
Another reason that your brain need some repair.

sagenaija:
enilove, you are doing a very good job!
Particularly with this guy who keeps running from one issue to another.

It's amazing that even when the Koran is quoted he still can't see AND ADMIT his foolishness in trying to indict the Bible.

Instead of admitting where he went wrong he runs to ask another question or present what he thinks is another problem.

That is what mere cramming of a book can do to the human brain. It robs a man of the right cognitive function.

In the attempt to fault the Bible he ends up not realizing that his Koran (which borrowed heavily from Biblical stories) gets incriminated.

Well done!

OK. I hear you sir.

Now, back to my matter.

"Jesus is God because his Father is a God .A lion wiill give birth to a lion."

Why then did the God Makers - the council of Nicaea in 325 - excluded Mary the mother of your God from Godship?
May be genda bias

How old was God the mother when she got pregnant with God the son for God the father?

What significant role did God the holy ghost played in the "God drama" script written and produced by the Council of Nicaea in 325?

enilove:
Jesus is God because his Father is a God .A lion wiill give birth to a lion .

Why did the God Makers- the council of Nicea - excluded Mary the mother of your God from Godship?
May be genda bias.

How old was God the mother when she got pregnant with God the son for God the father?

What significant role did God the holy ghost played in the God drama script written by the Council of Nicea?

enilove:
You are spiritually blind.

I said you are spiritually blind because you fail to desist from this very point for the fact that your god claimed he ordered the Israelites to do the killings you are accusing them of.

God is against evil doers . Why will your God ask you to be against the righteous people ?

Muhammad just repackaged the 360 idols around and inside the kabah to ONE IDOL called Allah .
That was what made him to worship the 3 daughters of Allah :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

أَفَرَءَيْتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالْعُزّٰى
"So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?"
وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرٰىٓ
"And Manat, the third - the other one?"
(QS. An-Najm 53: Verse 19- 20)

After worshiping them with his followers he then said it was the devil that mislead him :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ  ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)

My point is this , Allah is the devil who is trying to discredit all the good works of God by setting Muhammad up as a prophet to mislead you people.

Ignorantly you are all bowing down to the black stone inside the wall of the kabah . That is idolatry.

How about the Safah and mawa ? Was that not part of the rituals of the idolaters as well ?

It was this very reason God had to destroyed the Midianites to prevent them from hindering billions of people from knowing the true God.

OK. I hear you.

My questions again:

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did?
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

Thank you.

sagenaija:
First, the "Hear, O Israel.." passage is derived from Deuteronomy. There, as in here, it talks about God being unique and the unity in the Godhead. It is not about anything quantitative.

Again to my question which you have conveniently ignored: to whom does Allah pray?

Allah prays to you!

Are you good now?

enilove:
Tell me which country that did not fight over land possessions in the world .

This was about possession of the land God promised Abraham .
Also , Allah is guilty of this as well because he claimed he ordered them to fight and take the land :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 21)

And one of the reasons God gave the land to the Israelites was because the inhabitants were committing abominable things like idolatry , sorcery etc

Genesis 12:5 KJV
And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

Genesis 15:18 KJV
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 KJV
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, [11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. [12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. [13] Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.

After the Israelites possessed the land they did not engage in any war to acquire more land or for religious conquest other than for self defense.
Unlike Islam whose killings and wars are open ended .

I dey shake my head for your matter!

I guess your God was still in his mother's womb when the wrong people possessed the land.

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did.
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

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Igbo Muslims on Sunday.

Wetin concern you trinitarian for the matter?

enilove:
The above killings was as a result of the evil the midianites committed against the Israelites when they ( Israelites ) came out of the land of Egypt :
Numbers 22:4-7 KJV
And Moab said unto the elders of Midian, Now shall this company lick up all that are round about us, as the ox licketh up the grass of the field. And Balak the son of Zippor was king of the Moabites at that time.
[5] He sent messengers therefore unto Balaam the son of Beor to Pethor, which is by the river of the land of the children of his people, to call him, saying, Behold, there is a people come out from Egypt: behold, they cover the face of the earth, and they abide over against me:
[6] Come now therefore, I pray thee, curse me this people; for they are too mighty for me: peradventure I shall prevail, that we may smite them, and that I may drive them out of the land: for I wot that he whom thou blessest is blessed, and he whom thou cursest is cursed.
[7] And the elders of Moab and the elders of Midian departed with the rewards of divination in their hand; and they came unto Balaam, and spake unto him the words of Balak.

As a result of this divination , the Israelites sinned against God by worshiping the idols of the moabites. This brought death upon the Israelites in Thousands.

Numbers 25:1-3 KJV
And Israel abode in Shittim, and the people began to commit whoredom with the daughters of Moab. [2] And they called the people unto the sacrifices of their gods: and the people did eat, and bowed down to their gods. [3] And Israel joined himself unto Baal-peor: and the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel.

To retaliate or revenge against evil ones is not evil . Evil is when someone does you no evil and you are devising evil against him or her.

What evil did they do?

Why didn't God do the killings himself?

See this again:

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. [/b]26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 [b]So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.




I guess you know what God was doing...

enilove:
I don't hate you because you are not Muhammad or Allah. Like I said they are the evil ones I hate.

Lie!

enilove:
Insecurities started with your religion.

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12
7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

enilove:
Why did you say 'no' when I asked whether surah 33:53 was from God.

You are correct because Allah is not God but lord. And we know there are many demonic beings called lords who are not true God

Allah is an idol worshipped by the ancestors of Muhammad. He is not God your Creator.

Toh!
Can i go now?

enilove:
You cannot sow hatred and reap love.
You can sow evil and reap righteousness.
You can't sow violence and expect to reap peace.

Whatever a man sows he shall reap.

I guess you are cancelling out your lie.
You cannot reap love of me when you sow hatred for what I hold dear.

You can't fool me with hate love.

enilove:
This your reasoning has proved your prophet is a false prophet was unsecured about Islam.
That was how he started his Islam.

There are countless hate speach In your Quran and hadiths against Christians and the Jews which , according to your reasoning , showed the insecurity in Muhammad and Allah.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

Hadith
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it.
Sahih Muslim 2167 a
In-book : Book 39, Hadith 16
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 26, Hadith 5389  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

So...?

enilove:
Take a look at this :

Hadith
Narrated Anas bin Malik:

"Whenever the Prophet (ﷺ) passed by (my mother Um-Sulaim) he used to enter her and greet her. Anas further said: Once the Prophet (ﷺ) way a bridegroom during his marriage with Zainab, Um Sulaim said to me, "Let us give a gift to Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) ." I said to her, "Do it." So she prepared Haisa (a sweet dish) made from dates, butter and dried yoghurt and she sent it with me to him. I took it to him and he said, "Put it down," and ordered me to call some men whom he named, and to invite whomever I would meet. I did what he ordered me to do, and when I returned, I found the house crowded with people and saw the Prophet (ﷺ) keeping his hand over the Haisa and saying over it whatever Allah wished (him to say). Then he called the men in batches of ten to eat of it, and he said to them, "Mention the Name of Allah, and each man should eat of the dish the nearest to him." When all of them had finished their meals, some of them left and a few remained there talking, over which I felt unhappy. Then the Prophet (ﷺ) went out towards the dwelling places (of his wives) and I too, went out after him and told him that those people had left. Then he returned and entered his dwelling place and let the curtains fall while I was in (his) dwelling place, and he was reciting the Verses:-- 'O you who believe! Enter not the Prophet's house until leave is given you for a meal, (and then) not (as early as) to what for its preparation. But when you are invited, enter, and when you have taken your meals, disperse without sitting for a talk. Verily such (behavior) annoys the Prophet; and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go), but Allah is not shy of (telling you) the Truth.' (33-53) Abu Uthman said: Anas said, "I served the Prophet for ten years."
Sahih al-Bukhari 5163
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 98
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 92  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Is this a true revelation from God ?

No. It is from Allah, the Lord of the Universe!

enilove:
What made you think I have doubt in the Trinity doctrine ?

It is because you have doubts in the Trinity you worship that make you find faults in other religion to make you feel secured.

Dey there dey give yourself false feeling of salvation.

enilove:
What made you think I have doubt in the Trinity doctrine ?

There is a Divine security and satanic security. The one you have is what ? Do you know it? I doubt it.

The reason I hate Muhammad and Allah is simply because they are not from God Almighty. God did not send them anything.
And anyone who believes in Islam will not make heaven.

That is why.

Allah is truthful:

[3:118] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"یٰۤاَیُّہَا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا لَا تَتَّخِذُوۡا بِطَانَۃً مِّنۡ دُوۡنِکُمۡ لَا یَاۡلُوۡنَکُمۡ خَبَالًا ؕ وَدُّوۡا مَا عَنِتُّمۡ ۚ قَدۡ بَدَتِ الۡبَغۡضَآءُ مِنۡ اَفۡوَاہِہِمۡ ۚۖ وَ مَا تُخۡفِیۡ صُدُوۡرُہُمۡ اَکۡبَرُ ؕ قَدۡ بَیَّنَّا لَکُمُ الۡاٰیٰتِ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ تَعۡقِلُوۡنَ ﴿۱۱۸﴾

O believers! Do not confide in those who are not from amongst you. They will never miss (any) chance to cause you mischief. They wish you severe torture. As for their malice, that has become evident from their utterances, and (the hostility) that they have concealed in their hearts is (even) greater. We have made the signs manifest to you if you would use your intellect.

[3:119] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"ہٰۤاَنۡتُمۡ اُولَآءِ تُحِبُّوۡنَہُمۡ وَ لَا یُحِبُّوۡنَکُمۡ وَ تُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ بِالۡکِتٰبِ کُلِّہٖ ۚ وَ اِذَا لَقُوۡکُمۡ قَالُوۡۤا اٰمَنَّا ۚ٭ۖ وَ اِذَا خَلَوۡا عَضُّوۡا عَلَیۡکُمُ الۡاَنَامِلَ مِنَ الۡغَیۡظِ ؕ قُلۡ مُوۡتُوۡا بِغَیۡظِکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّ اللّٰہَ عَلِیۡمٌۢ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُوۡرِ ﴿۱۱۹﴾

Beware! You are the ones who love them, but they do not (even) like you, although you believe in all the Books. When they meet you, they say: ‘We have accepted faith,’ but when alone, they bite their fingers in rage against you. Say: ‘Perish in your pent-up rage.’ Certainly, Allah knows well the secrets of hearts.

Allah knows best.

enilove:
You want to follow Islam because you think it is the way . If it happens not to be the way , do you think God will send you back for corrections ?

We don't hate you . We love you and we don't want you to perish.

I have told who Allah is in many of my qoutes from the Qur'an, even though you have not told me who your God is.

I am very secure in Allah, unlike you who is insecure in Trinity.
I have no doubt in Allah, unlike you that is full of doubt in Trinity.

You cannot love me and openly display hate for Allah and His Prophet.

We know you hate us.

enilove:
Pls , think about what sagenaija is saying , even if don't believe mine , this Quran can't be from God .

So I can become a disbeliever like you.

I seek Refuge in Allah from Satan the accursed!

enilove:
.

Do you know that Aishat complained of Muhammad's revelations as well ?

Hadith
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khaula bint Hakim was one of those ladies who presented themselves to the Prophet (ﷺ) for marriage. `Aisha said, "Doesn't a lady feel ashamed for presenting herself to a man?" But when the Verse: "(O Muhammad) You may postpone (the turn of) any of them (your wives) that you please,' (33:51) was revealed, " `Aisha said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I do not see, but, that your Lord hurries in pleasing you.' "
Sahih al-Bukhari 5113
In-book : Book 67, Hadith 50
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 62, Hadith 48  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

According to an unbeliever.

enilove:
Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا عَمْرُو بْنُ عَوْنٍ، قَالَ حَدَّثَنَا هُشَيْمٌ، عَنْ حُمَيْدٍ، عَنْ أَنَسٍ، قَالَ قَالَ عُمَرُ وَافَقْتُ رَبِّي فِي ثَلاَثٍ، فَقُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ لَوِ اتَّخَذْنَا مِنْ مَقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى فَنَزَلَتْ ‏{‏وَاتَّخِذُوا مِنْ مَقَامِ إِبْرَاهِيمَ مُصَلًّى‏}‏ وَآيَةُ الْحِجَابِ قُلْتُ يَا رَسُولَ اللَّهِ، لَوْ أَمَرْتَ نِسَاءَكَ أَنْ يَحْتَجِبْنَ، فَإِنَّهُ يُكَلِّمُهُنَّ الْبَرُّ وَالْفَاجِرُ‏.‏ فَنَزَلَتْ آيَةُ الْحِجَابِ، وَاجْتَمَعَ نِسَاءُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي الْغَيْرَةِ عَلَيْهِ فَقُلْتُ لَهُنَّ عَسَى رَبُّهُ إِنْ طَلَّقَكُنَّ أَنْ يُبَدِّلَهُ أَزْوَاجًا خَيْرًا مِنْكُنَّ‏.‏ فَنَزَلَتْ هَذِهِ الآيَةُ‏.‏
Narrated `Umar (bin Al-Khattab):
My Lord agreed with me in three things: -1. I said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), I wish we took the station of Abraham as our praying place (for some of our prayers). So came the Divine Inspiration: And take you (people) the station of Abraham as a place of prayer (for some of your prayers e.g. two rak`at of Tawaf of Ka`ba)". (2:125) -2. And as regards the (verse of) the veiling of the women, I said, 'O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! I wish you ordered your wives to cover themselves from the men because good and bad ones talk to them.' So the verse of the veiling of the women was revealed. -3. Once the wives of the Prophet (ﷺ) made a united front against the Prophet (ﷺ) and I said to them, 'It may be if he (the Prophet) divorced you, (all) that his Lord (Allah) will give him instead of you wives better than you.' So this verse (the same as I had said) was revealed." (66:5).
Sahih al-Bukhari 402
In-book : Book 8, Hadith 53
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 8, Hadith 395  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

This means that Umar made a Quran and Allah accepted it because it is up to the standard of Allah's Quran .

It also means sura 66:5 is man made because a man had suggested it b4 Muhammad said Allah revealed it to him.

OK.
According to an unbeliever.

enilove:
All these quotes from your books do not prove anything.

OK.

enilove:
You want me to produce a similar man made revelations like the above ?

You think the words of Allah are man's words. I challenged you to produce something similar, you were speaking in tongues- Gibberish.

Listen to Allah:

[2:23] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ فِیۡ رَیۡبٍ مِّمَّا نَزَّلۡنَا عَلٰی عَبۡدِنَا فَاۡتُوۡا بِسُوۡرَۃٍ مِّنۡ مِّثۡلِہٖ ۪ وَ ادۡعُوۡا شُہَدَآءَکُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ اِنۡ کُنۡتُمۡ صٰدِقِیۡنَ ﴿۲۳﴾

And if you are in doubt about this (Book) which We have revealed to Our (exalted) servant, then produce only one chapter like this. And (for this task) you may call upon (all) your helpers apart from Allah if you are true (in your doubt and denial).

[2:24] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"فَاِنۡ لَّمۡ تَفۡعَلُوۡا وَ لَنۡ تَفۡعَلُوۡا فَاتَّقُوا النَّارَ الَّتِیۡ وَقُوۡدُہَا النَّاسُ وَ الۡحِجَارَۃُ ۚۖ اُعِدَّتۡ لِلۡکٰفِرِیۡنَ ﴿۲۴﴾

But if you fail to do it—and you shall never be able to do it—then guard yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is human beings (the disbelievers) and stones (their idols), prepared for disbelievers.

This challenge from Allah is an "Albatross" on the disbelievers.

Take up the challenge if you are truthful.

sagenaija:
Did you just say 'Allah's words'?

My point is this: if you are asked a question and instead of answering you just quote the Koran, you've really not addressed the matter. If I ask you why Allah says in the Koran 'Praise be to Allah' and you answer by saying that Allah can say what he wants; how does that answer the question?

If you name is, for example, Musishaq and you are speaking to another person will it make sense to tell that person "It is you we ask for help Musishaq!" rather than "It is me you ask for help!"
Which of the two statements is clearer and more straightforward? Obviously the second one. Unfortunately that part of the Koran is written like the first one going by your claim concerning the Koran.

CLEARLY you are only REINTERPRETING the Koran to pacify your mind. You are not using the claims of the Koran to interpret it.

For example, the Koran claims to be in clear Arabic but then we find words that are not Arabic in it; even when the words stated have Arabic equivalents. Rather than ask why this is so what you guys resort to is to say 'Allah knows best' or like you've stated here 'Allah can choose to speak the way he likes'. Really? Are you saying that Allah has no standards? No INTEGRITY? So he speaks as he likes irrespective whether he is communicating clearly or not?

The well known claim is that in the Koran Allah is addressing man. In the al fatiha however, the obvious construct of the wordings is that of man addressing Allah. There are even different versions of it. It is reported that Aisha, Mohamed's wife, said that Mohamed starts his prayers with it, suggesting that they were his words to Allah and not the other way round.

So, like so many other things in Islam you have CONFLICTING and contradictory positions on virtually every issue. How a religion that claim to make things clear ends up confusing things leaves one amazed. And why followers like yourself take everything in hook line and sinker keeps one dumbfounded.

It is because of your unbelief that makes you question Allah. So you aren't doing anything new with your questionings.

This question about suratul fatiha has been asked severally and answered severally by Muslims as well on this platform and you know this.

Again, Allah is not on trial. Allah don't owe you any explanation as to his choice of words or revelation just because you choose to disbelieve.

You can continue with your conjectures and name calling about Allah and His Prophet's words, that is your own headache to deal with.
We the Believers have no doubt!

People like you have always existed by Allah's will.

[109:1] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"قُلۡ یٰۤاَیُّہَا الۡکٰفِرُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۱﴾

Say: ‘O disbelievers!

[109:2] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"لَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ مَا تَعۡبُدُوۡنَ ۙ﴿۲﴾

I do not worship that which you worship.
[109:3] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ ۚ﴿۳﴾

Nor do you worship Whom I worship.

[109:4] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنَا عَابِدٌ مَّا عَبَدۡتُّمۡ ۙ﴿۴﴾

And I shall never worship that which you worship.

[109:5] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"وَ لَاۤ اَنۡتُمۡ عٰبِدُوۡنَ مَاۤ اَعۡبُدُ ؕ﴿۵﴾

Nor will you worship Whom I worship.

[109:6] Al-Kāfirūn-الْکَافِرُوْن
"لَکُمۡ دِیۡنُکُمۡ وَلِیَ دِیۡنِ ٪﴿۶﴾

(So) you have your din (religion), and I have my Din (Religion).’

enilove:
Why is pork haram and Lizard Halal ?

Hadith

Abdullah b. 'Abbas reported:

I and Khalid b. Walid went to the apartment of Maimuna along with Allah's Messenger (ﷺ), and there was presented to him a roasted lizard. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) stretched his hand towards It, whereupon some of the women who had been in the house of Maimuna said: Inform Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) what he intends to eat. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) lifted his hand. I said: Messenger of Allah, Is it forbidden? He said: No. It is not found in the land of my people, and I feel that I have no liking for it. Khalid said: I then chewed and ate it, while, Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) was looking (at me).

Sahih Muslim 1945 a
In-book : Book 34, Hadith 63
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 21, Hadith 4790  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Your brain need some repairs.
It seems to only function in derailment.

May Allah heal you!

MaxInDHouse:
Guy you're just joking because 99% of abattoir workers are Muslims and they do sell blood as meat for people who like eating it like soft liver, when we were little my own uncle (imam) often buys it so that we cook and eat back then!

It is now clearer you are not joking but mischievious.

When did 99% of abbattoir workers who are Muslims and your Imam uncle became a source for Islamic law and jurisprudence?

I quoted the words of Allah.

enilove:
You are enjoying it because you are evil and later on the devil will enjoy it when you are suffering in hell.

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

وَإِنْ مِّنْكُمْ إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا  ۚ كَانَ عَلٰى رَبِّكَ حَتْمًا مَّقْضِيًّا
"And there is none of you except he will come to it ( hell ). This is upon your Lord an inevitability decreed."
(QS. Maryam 19: Verse 71)

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