₦airaland Forum

Mikecold:
Abdul stop attacking the victims

When would you talk about Islam that put us in this mess because last time i checked Christian's are ok with the government laws until Muslims started subjugating them to Terrorists laws

sagenaija:
So, you are comfortable with Male member that is perpetually ERECT?
And all that you'll be doing in Paradise is sex? With Male member that is perpetually ERECT? And you consider that normal because it is Paradise? Think Abdul, think!

Part of the rewards even includes 'inheritance from the people of hell' according to Sunnan Ibn Majar 4337 . From hell? Are they then relieved of their punishment in hell? Is it temporary reprieve or permanent removal from hell?

What is the 'mighty reward' for women? Men's reward is very explicit. What is that of the women?

I gave motayoayinde the reference he asked for and he has run for cover. I guess he didn't know his Islamic books have the things we state.

sagenaija:
Let's look at it this way; eating food is good but if a man eats all day long, even if it's a bit of something every 30 minutes or hour, would you consider that normal and clap for him? So, while eating is not evil in itself, a glutton will not be considered a normal thing. A husband and wife have the right to enjoy sexual intimacy but if they come to the marketplace to start doing openly in the full view of all, no normal person will applaud them. There is therefore a sense in which a legitimate thing done in a wrong way would not be considered acceptable.

Will having an erection of the male organ perpetually be considered normal or abnormal? Are there no other things to do than fulfilling sexual pleasures? Infinite sex?

Why does the sexual pleasures appear to be only for men; what about the women?

It is your books which deal with the sexual fantasies of Islam as you can see above. So, deal with your books not me.

Mohamed needed to get a strong MOTIVATION for his followers to continue to be loyal and he found one. Unfortunately you guys are still buying the same dummy today.

Agbegbaorogboye:
Stop spreading lies. I've searched on the internet for your so-called picture and I can't find it anywhere on the net. Can you provide a link?

You seem to be confused by my English which is why I asked you a question which you skillfully side-stepped. Let me ask you again and I want a straight answer from you. Are the Yoruba a minority or majority tribe in Nigeria. Yes or No? Your initial claim was that Senegalese and Malians are not Fulanis. After I showed you with facts that they are, you jumped into the realm of majority. It's obvious you just want to argue even if you're pointless.

Again, you are the one claiming that the Mali and Senegalese that colonized you with Islam are not Fulanis. I've shown you evidence of your subservience to them. Yet you ask for me to disprove a statement you have not proven. Good you are familiar with Saraki's claim. You can go and argue at his grave. What is obvious is he said he came to teach you guys Islam and that he's from Mali and he's Fulani. Also, Fulani from the Northern part of Nigeria who are majorly Guineans and Malians have always said they taught you guys Islam and are therefore your benefactors. Why then do you shy away from your masters who sight the moon on your behalf.

Islam in Yorubaland is more than 200 years old? Another lie to make your stomach sweet. The Fulanis gave you Islam. Learn to live with it. No need to feel bigger than your masters.

Hehehehe. The Emir of Ilorin was placed there by Yorubas!! What manner of revisionism is this? You mean the Yorubas in Sokoto are the ones who turbaned the Emir of Ilorin? Even your Emir in Iwo recently alluded to the authority and superiority of the Sokoto sultanate. So what the hell are you lying for? [b]And who made the Sultan the ruler of Nigerian Muslims? Why not the Alaafin of Oyo or is he not a traditional ruler? [/b]Besides, what is the correlation of traditional rulership with islam that you Muslims "respect" when its obvious all those traditional stools are products of our traditional religions? Stop deceiving yourself abeg!!

You're just clowning around. If the British came to impose their religion on us in the name of colonialism as you claim, may I ask how you came to be a muslim and the north was able to sustain its Islamic colouration throughout the about 90 years of colonialism. Or do you mean islam defeated colonialism? This commonsense question should show you that Christianity was never forced on anyone through colonialism the way Islam was through Jihad cause if it had been so, the large majority of West Africans would have been Christians because the major colonial powers in West Africa were Christian countries. Christianity spread through offering people a better life not through forceful assimilation via Jihad. Let me also tell you. Ahmadu Bello as Premier of Northern Nigeria had a very open, brutal and unapologetic islamization policy which converted about 100k people in his first year in office. This was not present in the Southern regions led by Obafemi Awolowo and Nnamdi Azikiwe, two christians. Yet to you, it was the Christians who were forcefully converting people.

You are just deceiving yourself. You as a Yoruba can't lead prayer in a Nupe man's presence not to talk of Hausa. Quote me anywhere. Who gives a Bleep about a wannabe MSSN. How many northerners reckon with MSSN. It's just like claiming NASFAT is well recognized in the north. I lived in and know the north very well. The average northern muslim sees you as fake Muslims, munafiqs. Stop forming familiarity with them. They only regard you when it's time to use you for their nefarious ends just as they use the minorities in the north, Who is the ACF chairman now? Audu Ogbeh. Before him Paul Unongo and before him, Sunday Awoniyi. All Christians. I'm sure a gullible soul like you will say northern muslims see northern Christians as one with them. No wonder you want sharia. Let me warn you. The end product of sharia is always terrorism. In the SW Muslims, we know we have some extremists. But they are not so bold because of the moderates who fall in the majority. The day sharia becomes a law in the SW, that's the day those extremists get emboldened, just as it happened with BH.

Ignoramus. The trans-Saharan slave trade was mostly carried out by Arabs. That was part of how they also spread your islam.

What nonsense are you saying now? Those schools weren't missionary school? So who built them? You lie too much just like you god Muhammad. Suddenly you remember we are one. If we are one why do you want a separate rule for yourself different from others. Is that not a sign of a divided house?

Keep quiet. You can't choose for us what to wear. Christians wear choir robes to school for harvest thanksgiving. What you said is I should give you example of Christian students wearing choir robes to school. Now I've given you and as usual, you've shifted the goalpost to wearing it everyday. Lol. You are so unstable. I don't need your 100 pounds o. Not like you have it anyway.

And quit with the lie of muslim students' names being changed by missionaries. It's a capital lie. It never happened. Yoruba muslims with your unfortunate victim mentality were not the only muslims who attended missionary schools. Farooq Kperogi did too and no one changed his name. Same with the late CJN Idris Kutigi and no one changed his name too. Why only you guys? Are you naturally unfortunate or something?

Here's the deal. If you want sharia in the SW. Then we will also have canon laws and the traditionalists will live according to the dictates of Ifa Orunmila too. Christian courts headed by Bishops will exists as well as Babalawo courts too. You can't claim a monopoly of madness.

If Otto von Bismarck a Christian could see wisdom in separating church from state which is the harbinger of secularist freedom we now enjoy, how come you guys want to drag everyone back to the stone age of religious governments.

If such exists, do you think we would have mosques in Europe which you all love to tout as evidence of expansion of Islam? Even you, if religion was to be a state affair, there is no way you would be a muslim. You will have to be a pagan. Because that's what your forefathers were. It's because your forefathers just like Otto van Bismarck were smart enough to not make religion a raison d'etre of a society but instead make it a personal thing, that your grandfather could afford to stop worshipping Esu and Eledumare but instead started worshipping Allah and Mohammed without anyone molesting him. In other words, Islam has actually made you worse than your forefathers. Think about that!!

Agbegbaorogboye:
If you're ignorant, try and disabuse the ignorance before accusing someone of lying. Yoruba are a majority tribe in Nigeria. Yet they account for only 15% of the population.

BeansAndBread:
This doesn't concern me, prove from history that those Senegalese and Malians that brought Islam to Nigeria were Fulani. This is all I'm asking you, those countries can have whatever tribe as president, that's their business, I've asked you a simple task. You didn't debunk anything rather showed your ignorance, and for you to think all the empires of Mali and Senegal were fulani shows you're super ignorant!

I'm waiting tho



WTH is this one saying? Who taught you statistics? How can you imply 20% are the majority? Hausas are majority of Nigeria, Wolof people are the majority in Senegal and it's the major language spoken and this happens to transcend to nearby Gambia. In Mali, Mande people are the overwhelming majority, just to push your rubbish, you wanna make a minority majority?



If for the sake of argument, we accept this, are you saying only the Saraki family spread Islam to the whole Yorùbáland? That aside, there's no evidence for this as people postulated that Olusola made this statements to cement his foothold in Ilorin. And people who are close to the family claim they're of Egba origin and this is the case with majority of families in Ilorin, they're all settlers because Ilorin was similar to a camp and you'd find people from different parts of Yorùbáland and beyond. The Ajikobi family originated from Iseyin for instance, don't say things you don't know bro



I didn't dispute this, did I? What I'm disputing is you automatically claiming Malians are Fulanis when not all of them are, plus those who brought Islam to us were traders and there's no evidence they were Fulanis. Stop using Saraki case because the Saraki family mentioned 200 years ago, and Islam in Yorùbá land was way present before 200 years lol



The emir of Ilorin was placed by Yorùbás, the vast majority of the kingmakers of Ilorin are Yorùbás. And we depending on the Sultan is because he's the leader of Nigerian Muslims, in Islam we pay attention to the rulers because they unite the people. We don't care about tribe as that's secondary, I know you wouldn't understand this as tribalism has fried your braincells and the religion you hold on to has made you subservient to your British masters.



I didn't lie na, Christianity spread into Yorùbáland after we were defeated by the British, this same British then gave you guys the religion and you accepted. You accepted the religion of your conquerors and till date you're subservient to this religion from your British masters, not only that, all those that spread the religion were either former slaves or descendents of slaves. What more do you need?



If you actually went to the north you wouldn't be talking like a retard, in Kano they speak Hausa, do you think they'll allow an Imam that can't communicate in the local language? How Hausa do you see leading in Yorùbá mosque? I speak Hausa and I've lead prayer and preached to Hausas, there's nothing there. Go mssn in Abu Zaria and you'd find Yorùbás who are the Amir. In case you don't know, mssn in all institutions in Nigeria including North was established by Yoruba Muslims, Alhaji Abdullateef Adegbite. And till date the northerners follow it.



The head is the Sultan, following him is a Yorùbá man and following the Yorùbá is an Igbo Muslim



LMAO The trans saharan slave was entirely different from the transatlantic, many of those who were doing the enslaving were black people, unlike the other which was white enslaving black. And Islam allows slavery only true warfare, so whatever happened then is condemned. But this argument can't work here because transsahara slave trade was majorly in east africa against bantu tribes (who also engaged in expansion that killed thousands)



Those schools aren't missionary school mate, even if they were, I thought we were one regardless of religion? Or you telling me you don't have Muslim members in your households who were Hijabs? If you don't pull it from them at home, why then pull from children? Hypocrites!



I'm sensing you're crying already, stop crying, it's just a discussion. We attend govt schools, I wouldn't advice any Muslim to attend missionary schools as there equally good islamic schools now. Those schools aren't missionary schools the moment Muslim taxpayers are used for it.



You wanna play fast one abi? No Christian school allows children wear choir robes to class to study, if there are any, give me proofs and you'd get £100. I'm not talking about Thanksgiving or spiritual programs, those aren't class activities mate.



Ansarudeen doesn't even allow Muslims wear jalabia and other type of clothings, so why should they allow choir robes on your special day? Are you dense?



Dumb dumb, Ansarudeen schools aren't Islamic missionary schools anymore, they've been collected and are managed by the Govt and so anyone is allowed to attend. And I've attached screenshots from two Ansarudeen schools in different States



Yes, we wanna wear hijab in government schools not missionary schools because we know y'all are bigots and we would fight you with everything.

We don't care about any northern cjn, we are Muslims and we wanna follow our religion to the core. We not here to please anyone, so cry me a river

Agbegbaorogboye:
Thank me later. I hope you know Fulani are the most itinerant tribe with colonisation in their blood.
Secondly, let's assume you're right Muslim were forced to change their names and religion to attend missionary schools. You need to know that going to school was not by force then. There was no constitution that guaranteed rightful or mandatory schooling then. It's called prerequisite. Just as you have to pass common entrance and cut your hair to attend some female schools then. It was never by force. It was a choice. You either shape in or ship out. The Muslims could have attended quraniyya schools instead. No one will arrest them for it.

mofedamijo:
I don't live in Nigeria for now. I looked up the said Jaiz bank and it has just 27 branches in Nigeria, also, their capital is not enough to pay Gtbank staffs salary in a year. A bank that has 27 branches in Nigeria when First bank has over 700........Whatever the case, the said banking came about by Sanusi...

Now I am talking about South West Nigeria, not the Federal government. Take a look at the present Governors. Lagos state past and present Governors are Christians, Ogun state Governor is a Christian, Ondo state Governor is a Christian, Ekiti state Governor is a Christian, Oyo state Governor is a Christian, Only Osun state has a Muslim Governor in South West. Did you hear anything or anybody complaining about it? Even if a Muslim replaces any of the Christian Governors tomorrow, there will be no noise about it.

That is how grounded and highly tolerant and United the South West is.

Despite the Sharia Law practiced in the North, fornication, Adultery, Drug abuse etc is the order of the day there.

SHARIA LAW CAN GO TO HELL.....


https://allafrica.com/stories/202008070612.html

Goodbye..... Enjoy your day.

TruthHurts1:
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Righteousness2:
What a Dangerous Combo!
A Deadlier person than Shekau and bin laden combined could be produced from this.

sagenaija:
I asked that question in order not to misunderstand or misrepresent you in what you said. However if you choose to run away from answering it then so be it. This will not be the first time you guys run for cover.

For your enlightenment:
Christ is the Greek word for Messiah. Messiah is the anointed one. So, in a general sense it can be used for anyone appointed for a specific task. However, like I've repeatedly pointed out, when you use the article 'The' it changes the position. It now refers to a particular person. 'A' President, when used in a sentence is different from 'The' President. In the first instance it is used in a general sense. In the second it is used to specifically refer to a particular person.

The Messiah in Judaism (notice the article 'The'), as opposed to a Messiah, referred to a significant person who would be a deliverer, have wonderful qualities and abilities, establish God's kingdom and eventually rule for ever amongst other things.
Christianity adds to these by identifying him as the Saviour of the world.

So, after King Saul and David and others, did the Hebrew Scriptures talk about a coming one who would be THE MESSIAH? Yes, it did.

This is why many Moslems try to find Mohamed in the Bible. They want to link him to the Prophet Moses said would come and who was severally predicted to come even after Moses.

So, Antichristian, the Koran did not just say Jesus is a Christ or a Messiah. It identified him as THE MESSIAH. That is something you have to DEAL WITH. The Koran admits that he was sent to the Jews. What then would be the Jewish understanding of THE MESSIAH? NOT a Moslem interpretation.

If you want to twist issues to make it conform with what you want people to believe or to win an argument that is your headache. If you think 'a title is a title' then when next an issue comes up for discussion and you want to be specific and particularise its use we will remind you that you said 'a title is a title'.

mofedamijo:
Only an illiterate without common sense will believe Yoruba muslims are fanatics.

I went to a Catholic school in Lagos, and some of my classmates back then were Muslims, I am talking of those rich Awori Muslims. Guess what? We attended Mass service together, twice every week.

During Sallah, we go to their houses to eat Sallah meat. We were one United Family. Never at any point in time did religious tension arise throughout my six years in high school.

Its only in the South West that you will have Alhaji as a Father, Deaconess as a mother, and Alhaji will drop his family in church on Sundays.

Only in South West Nigeria, have I seen Muslim families asking a pastor to come pray for them.

South Western muslims will even tell Christians going to church on Sunday, "pray for me too ooo"

South Western muslims are enlightened and educated. They don't give room for religious idiocy and fanatism.

South West muslims will come to your house and finish your Christmas food.
Dem no send you.

South West Christians will even attend the naming ceremony of a Muslim child, they will even play with Alfa, and eat enough food.

South West Christians will even buy Sallah ram for some mosques.

Do you know that South Westerners will have a Muslim landlord, Christian tenants, and they will live together for 10 years without ever having religious conflicts

If they are trying to break South West with religion, they have failed already. No SW muslim will ever take to terrorism and fanatism. This Sharia is dead and buried. Not going to work in the SW.

Like every group of people on planet earth, there is always these 0.00000000001% of traitors, backstabbers and idiots. Therefore, SW Nigeria is not an exception. There is that 0.000000001% SW Muslims who are backstabbers, just because of what they will eat or benefit. However, they are inconsequential to the task of having Sharia law in the SW.

NO SHARIA LAW IN SW NIGERIA.

Blessedassuranc:
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Of course its part of niger republic

Blessedassuranc:
NIGERIA IS A SECULAR COUNTRY... SO YOU CANT GET THAT. GO TO THE NORTH AND BE WITH YOUR UNREASONABLE BRETHREN. OKAY?

Mikecold:
Do the work of Terrorism you mean

Mikecold:
Cameron is having a secession fight

Congo is having an ethnic fight


These are common squabbles in an underdeveloped society yet they are not running to Europe

Compare this with Syria that has opened fire on its citizens for years driving all of them into Europe

Compare this with Libya, Morocco where Muslims keep running into the sea to become refugees

Compare this to Iran, Pakistan, Afgahnistan where life is cheap and fatwa is shared like peanut only for Europe to come rescue

perdollar:
General Ikonsi died intact. This bastard died shattered and charred. The pains wl damn agonizing to his useless household. Allahuakbar! Greet Shekau and prophet paedophile when u get to hell

Mikecold:
Replacement by another Northerner brewing

enilove:
Yes these are fables used as parables .No one is disputing that . They are used as idioms.

That of Solomon is not only a fable but unreal, unreasonable ,senseless and falsified account which never happened.

enilove:
That is your own false opinion.

A fable is a fable and cannot become a reality.

Faith is about religion and fable is an untrue story. That is why it is a fable.

There is a difference between a fable and faith.
Don't mix them together.

enilove:
How does this answer my questions ?

It is a big shame that you can't defend your Quran and Allah .

enilove:
Allah is on trial , truly speaking , for many reasons like :

How did he become the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob suddenly when Muhammad came ?

How come the ways he is worshipped are so different from the God of Abraham , Issac and Jacob ?

How come he could perform miracles with the Israelites but could not with the Arabs ?

Why are their commandments and laws contradictory ?

Can you give any reasonable answers to these questions ?

peggywebbs:
I was forced to read their account of Solomon and I totally lost it...when I got to the part of the ants talking, I was looking to see if there was a WiFi speaker installed.

The bird part reminded of snow whites step mother. Then there was also the part where they talked about jinns.

Apparently they are some kind of sorcerers and where under some punishment with their Solomon. Like they literally turned Isreal's king to a joke. It's so hilarious, I felt I was reading a bedtime story.

slim75d:
I laugh whenever i see an ibo man with an islamic name ' sheikh isa okonkwo'
the only way islam can survive in igboland is by commercialising it.
individuals shld own their mosque and make money frm it

sagenaija:
'Allah knows best' irritates who?
You and I know that it's an escape route you guys take to avoid answering questions you have no answer to. And also from confronting the shaky areas and issues of Islam. You can see yourself dodging questions right here in this thread. The simple reason is that you really have no answer to a religion you don't understand.

Allah seem not to like it when his creatures are intelligent and bright. He prefers them to be dumb.
That is why, like we see here, they wouldn't know that a king had died even though they see him standing up. And not until ants have eaten his walking stick or staff and he falls did it then occur to everyone that he had died.

The Koran verses you quoted simply show that the religion of Mohamed is that of 'Simply accept what you are told! Ask no questions!' That is why it is Islam- 'Surrender'. Surrender your thoughts and reasoning. Surrender your mind - have no mind of your own. Surrender or ...... (fill in the blanks)

We know that Islam is based on 'Tales from Arabia'. But just as children enjoy cartoons, no matter how illogical, you guys too have chosen to use the 'Tales' to excite yourselves.

sagenaija:
History is actually now proving that Mohamed may never have existed in the picture that Islam has painted him.

The coins and rock inscriptions of the 7th century Arabia are giving a different picture from what the STANDARD NARRATIVE OF ISLAM has told us.

Like I have noted in another thread virtually all of the writers of the Hadiths never came from Mecca or Medina.
They came from hundreds or thousands of MILES away - apparently they were men who were skilled in writing and were commissioned to come up with a system for the emerging religion.
If that is not a red flag for you I wonder what would be!

I showed you that Islam was NOT called Islam until several decades after Mohamed supposedly died. Mohamed was reportedly said to be bringing the 'religion of Abraham'. He didn't call it Islam. Check your religion's history.

But again you may just not want to check because 'Allah knows best'.

mhmsadyq:
There are people who believe Jesus never happened. To them the whole episode of one Jesus is fictitious-- Fable.

Even the Jews with whom Jesus lived believe he was an impostor, consequently he was executed between two thieves.

How do you prove to those who believe Jesus was a fable, otherwise?

enilove:
That is your own false opinion.

A fable is a fable and cannot become a reality.

Faith is about religion and fable is an untrue story. That is why it is a fable.
For example, Muhammad's existence is not a fable because he actually lived. How he conquered Mecca and his biography are not considered as fables because those were true events.

Like the subject story of this thread , there is no way you look at it that will make it a true story .
You think about it , do you believe this to be a true story ?
If yes , how ?

Kobojunkie:
Here's the question (in bold) I had asked

Kobojunkie:
Huh?

But I am not a Trinitarian since I do not believe in man's doctrines, however I do believe in the Word of God.

You still haven't answered my question about the main purpose for the "we" tricking the Jinns as far as Solomon's death. Why?

Some years back, I stumbled on some "demonologie" pages that suggested that the 99 demons had wanted to take over Solomon's body or soul. I wonder if that story is in anyway related with your claim that Solomon wield power over Jinns.