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forgiveness:
Stop shifting goal posts.

Did you watch all the 10 games he played this season?

From zero goals to zero assist. Bhuuuhahaha!

The fact remains he scored 2 goals when he played in the AM 4 times. Meaning your claim that he didn't play from the middle is null and void. Period. EOD


Whether, he played 4 times as a RM(take note right midfield) and once are inconsequential. The fact he played as the central maestro has been established. EOD next please.

Why did you hide the fact he played as the AM 4 times?


Please, answer my other questions and this. Thanks

edi287:
Could it be that Rohr put on Agu to win the ball high up the pitch and let Ndidi who is slightly the better passer play deep and then decided to switch things up as Agu was clearly nervous?? No way Rohr who watches these guys train wouldn't know what they are capable of

Joebie:
Let me take you on with your own source.
@ first bolded, does not necessarily refer to positional play generally but assigned role, instruction given, and ability, as it continues "when in possession". More players generally often advance when in possession.
@ second bolded, also is more like saying defensive minded. But the general shape of the sixes are double DMFs. Players drift according to what's happening during the match.

But even if I agree with you that Rohr asked (I would expect not Mikel hmmm) Agu to do more of the defensive duties and for Ndidi to be offensive minded, that's not a tactical change. That's a forced change. Ndidi just swapped roles with injured Onazi. And Agu took his place. Still buttresses my point.

Modified
your link is broken

TheGoodJoe:
By the way, during the game, I hinted to some people in the bar that I believe it was Mikel Obi that told Mikel Agu to keep it simple and stick to his defensive midfield position. Although Rohr also highlighted that Mikel Agu is learning the role.

Agu played the DMF role while Ndidi played more of a central role.

Joebie:
Mickael2 let me clear you on the 4-2-3-1 . consider the italicized, the quote and the source:

Encourages Creativity


"Since there are three attacking midfielders in most 4-2-3-1s, there are plenty of chances for creativity. Even if only two of the three are good creators, defenses have to stay on their toes for runs coming from all angles.

The top teams that run the 4-2-3-1 will often allow their players to have freedom all over the pitch. That means that one of the defensive midfielders might join the attack and/or the attacking midfielders can act as second strikers.If you want an opportunity to be a great playmaker, then this is one of the best formations for you."

https://www.perfectsoccerskills.com/articles/strengths-and-weaknesses-of-the-4-2-3-1-formation

Joebie:
One player between the two is usually a little advanced. Are players glued to a position? Actually Ndidi drifts. Onazi also drifts.. so what do you call that now?

But you had just said it was Mikel who instructed Agu to move to the CMF role. Has Rohr not ran the rule over Agu several times? How could you know better than Rohr? Did you see the exact shape of the team after the substitution? When that Zambian played that long range shot that Ezenwa paried and it kissed the bar, what position was Agu then? CMF? haha

Iwobi went straight to the right wing. I remember that run he made and the Zambian couldn't catch up with him and then he delivered a cross I believe that was the one Ighalo missed after he delayed. After then did you notice when Shehu advanced Iwobi drifted inwards. Iwobi and Simon are dissimilar players. You can't call that like-for-like substitution. Iwobi was given special instructions, and he delivered. Go back to my posts. I made a comment in my half-time analysis that we would need to penetrate the Zambians CB, that they seemed leaky there. That was my half time analysis.. And that was exactly how Iwobi scored.

Joebie:
Putting another player in the same position does not mean like-for-like.
like-for-like is when they are similar players in strengths.. two players can play the same position but be given different roles. based on their strength.
Dynamism calls for some adjustments by one or two other players after a player is introduced. That's tactical.


Modified
Nigeria played a 4-2-3-1. That is double DMF.. Players drift during a match. Agu came in as a DMF. Onazi was a DMF not CMF

Modified2
Rohr worked according to the options he had when Onazi got injured. You said Mikel told Agu... were you there? haha.. see assumption oh. You are forming an opinion over an assumption. You were also reading Rohr's mind that he thought Agu can play as a CMF because he was a DMF. ABi na you train the boys for camp?. Rohr was quoted as saying only Iwobi's substitution was tactical. And I have every reason to believe that.

Joebie:
haha.. maybe they should apply to be Rohr's tactical personnel..

Modified
Playing Agu as well as a DMF was playing safe. Aina had not earned a cap. And Shehu had just stood out as a RB against Cameroon. It was the safest thing to do after Agu had played both games against Cameroon.
The only poor play Agu had in the second half was when a player turned him and fired that screamer that called Ezenwa to action. He was quite comfortable for the most part of the second half.

Aina coming in was not tactical. Agu as well was a forced substitution. Only Iwobi was.

Oasis007:
Watched?!..... No! Followed?! maybe! But as far as I can tell - they are both representing their respective Clubs week in week out.

Oasis007:
Even though this Site is known as a Faceless Forum, I think this Thread is known and appreciated for mostly intellectual Discourse and up to date Information on the Eagles Players.

You do not need to lamely and childishly tackles another Person's Opinion simply to get Likes and Shares from the Bird of a Feather.

When Aiyenugba was plying his Trade in the Nigeria League, he won the Titles 4 Times, won Africa Champions League 2 Times as well as Africa Super Cup 2 Times.

Did he achieve these Feats by Luck?! What Ezenwa has achieved so far in the League as a Goalkeeper?! Seem you prefer Enyeama to be the No. 1 based on past Glory?!

Sentiment aside, Aiyenugba deserves to be the No. 1 based on the Present Form, if you get any contrary View - state and back it up with Facts. Knowledge has no Boundary, perhaps I can learn one or two things from any Point(s) instead singing a Lullaby.

chrisooblog:
we didn't dominate them throughout the game they gave as good as what we threw at them. our better quality edge us over them. exactly like the game panned out this past saturday

TheGoodJoe:
Both of us have pointed that also. I have repeatedly hammered Iheanacho should study Firmino and try to drop deep when he is marked tightly to evade the markers. However, the point is why is it people are so easy to criticise Nacho and find it hard to criticise the likes of Ighalo.

Ighalo had a poor game but the epistle is still Iheanacho. That is why I say lots of the criticism are biased and flawed.

forgiveness:
First of all, we need to know the position Onazi played before he was injured and who should replace him in that position.

Onazi Ogenyi was the CMF and also played the box to box role while Ndidi played in the DMF role.


Who was the natural and perfect replacement available for that role? John Ogu and no one else because he was the only natural CMF on the bench.


However, John Ogu coming in as a direct replacement for Onazi would have been a very bad choice.

1. He is slow and we already have another slow player in the mold of Mikel Obi on the field.

2. He is only offensive and his defensive ability is poor compared to Onazi.

3. His tackling about is not as good as Onazi hence the need to bring some one who can defend, tackle and do the dirty job in the midfield.

In regards to the obvious reasons stated above, it would have been unwise to bring in John Ogu.

Bringing in Aina for Shehu Abdullahi to move to the DMF position is a big gamble and is equally out of the equation.

That was why bringing in Agu who is a natural DMF was the best option based on the options on the bench.

What the did was to bring in Mikel Agu to Wilfred Ndidi' position and move Ndidi to the CMF position. It was very easy to decide like that based on the situation on ground.

That's was why I wasn't not worried about Mikel Agu when he came in to replace Onazi. I even demonstrated that when many here panicked and kicked against him by saying 'make una no worry....'.

chrisooblog:
yes i watched the game zambians scored a goal few minutes in we roared back. we were dominating them through okocha's inspired play removed JJ to go defensive midfield almost completely collapsed. zambians troubled us through kalusha bwalya for the final few minutes. zambians have always been competitive against us which results over the years have shown so it was wrong using them as a yardstick. just accept you goofed there then we can move on to other aspects of this discussion

Mujtahida:
So losing at home has destroyed to pieces the idea of building a team. Is that how you operate? You set a goal, you try once, you fail, you quit?
And Westerhof was all victory from the beginning abi?
One rookie is more rookie than the other plus age and exposure which Ogu has more than Agu.

Mujtahida:
I marvel at the comparison. Note also that Leow was assistant to Jurgen Klinsmann for two years Meanwhile all- except about three or so -of the players that played Germany's last match at the quarter finals stage against Spain where still part of the team that played at the WC in Brazil. The German team is just now beginning to moult(gradual phasing out of the old guard) and the transition is not noticeable in terms of performance because of what you mentioned regarding the template for football across all ages. In fact what we are seeing in Germany is a product of the revolution brought to German football by Jurgen Klinsmann beginning from 2004. And that is the country against whom a coach appointed last year is being compared with.

chrisooblog:
bros on the bolded westerhof struggled against this same zambia you are using as a yardstick. remember the 1994 AFCON? what makes your argument worse is that the particular zambian team was a hurriedly assembled one for that matter. i also remember reading one interview of late stephen keshi where he said clemens wasn't the greatest tactically and he should know better since he played under him.

now regarding rohr's tactically ability i would still give him 60% his use of subs have been here and there. his use mikel agu in place of ogu and etebo puzzled me personally. overall though its been a long time i've seen the super eagles play with such intensity and cutting edge. iwobi's goal is a case in point how many times have you seen nigeria score such a goal after an unbroken sequence of passes? to do it in such a high pressure match is even more impressive. based on the quality of players available to him i think rohr has really gotten the best out of them

Mujtahida:
Yes remove them and what you'd see is a team being built. You know that Rohr's contractual brief were(1)qualify Nigeria for the World Cup (2) qualify Nigeria for the Afcon 2019.
Your point on Moses et al is the precise point I am making regarding Agu. The guy is a rookie. Yet the coach prefers him to Ogu. How conservative is that? Favoritism you call it?

Mujtahida:
Between your word and that of Bsssagog who was on the field of play whose report should we believe?
On Agu, you misread me. I mentioned Agu not in relation to tactics but personel vis-a-vis the notion that Rohr is conservative. And I also talked about the age of the team.

Mujtahida:
Kog45 when you say Rohr is conservative do you mean in terms of strategy or personel? Let me give you heads up:

On personel I trust you see that Rohr is bringing down the age limit of the team to the extent that we have one of the youngest teams in Africa? He is not radical yet he has thrown Agu into the mix three times ahead of Ogu

On tactics:Do you know that after we trashed Cameroun, Bassagog said that they knew how we used to play and they were set up to play us that way but that on match day we adopted a different strategy that confused them? And how come we scored 11 goals in a group called group of death.
Cc goodjoe, Icon4s, mickael2

Icon4s:
See, the principle is same all across. You don't tamper with the set up of the team at random. If the team is not getting results you can chose to overhaul but when the team is getting results you try as much as possible to maintain shape so as not to lose balance. This is a simple principle in coaching.

I have worked with Westerhof (I learnt coaching from him) and I know what I mean by he not being much different from Rohr in terms of tactical approach to games and team selection.


If the NFF wants to get any of those coaches you listed then they should be ready to shoulder the huge financial responsibility. I have said it that Rohr, tactically is not amongst the bests but the other things he brings to the team have carried the team thus far.

Then also remember that Club football is different from national team football. And remember also that it took Westerhof 5 years to build that team that featured at the 1994 World Cup and I completely disagree with you that the current crop cannot dominate African opposition. We are working towards that and we will get there but remember also that football has generally progressed in Africa. You can hardly dominate for too long.

Kog45:
True talk,tactically d two cannot be compared.I remember Bonfrere Jo was doing it tactically for Westerhoff but i don't know much of Rohr back room staff may be they are equal to d tasks.

Michael2 did u notice that there was little drama when Onazi got injured against Zambia,d original plan was for Aina to come in and Shehu Abdullahi move to d midfield but Rohr changed his mind and Agu came in but it nearly cost us in d 1st half-hour

Rohr need to improve on his conservative approach to games coz he is too predictable.

Icon4s:
Against SA you meant.

In that game we were losing the midfield battle so bringing out a midfielder to introduce Kayode so we have two strikers upfont would only spell more doom. The problem in that game was that we were not getting enough balls to the lone striker (Iheanacho). Ihenacho seemed to have mobility issues in that game so Kayode a more mobile striker was brought in for Iheanocho. Also Kayode as we know is good at one on one situations which we needed at that point to get the goal due to the lack of balls as earlier stated

Substitutions depend a lot on balance of play. You saw what happened to Shakespeare's Leicester City against Arsenal when Iheanacho was introduced and a midfielder(forgotten his name) was pulled out, Leicester collapsed and Arsenal won.

It is not all the time that when you are chasing a game that you introduce a second striker. Some times you do a like for like, depending on the balance of play.

TheGoodJoe:
That was my point from the start. I pointed it out because of the heavy criticism Iheanacho came under on this thread and how much we needed a powerful forward. How Iheanacho is not a true number nine and a true number nine will make a better choice.

Now the powerful forward had a poor game and a lot did not criticise. Shows bias to me.

junnyjake:
Someone did half the job by getting the ball to him, Yaks had to do the other half by tucking the ball in. That to me was half - chance.

jihday:
I'll like Russia Peru Iran

Icon4s:
Tactically, Rohr may not be up there amongst the best but his ability to instill team spirit, cohesion, discipline and hardwork is top notch.This is typical of German coaches and German teams.

Rohr is just almost like Westerhof including tactically.

forgiveness:
Onomah is the combination of Iwobi and Raheem Lawal. This is what I said and it remains my opinion.


I know talent when I see one.

In short, I now rate him highly.

komekn:
Tottenham midfield Sissoko, Lamela, Dembele , Wanyama, Dier, and Eriksen all of them are full fledged top level internationals. Who are all better than him in my opinion.

Arsenal Mesut Ozil, the only player clearly better than Iwobi. Cazola (injured), Ramsey, Wilshire, Elneny, Xhaka, Coquelin. Simply put there isn't much in Iwobi way.

I think Iwobi as a winger is better than Tega I think he may be faster as well.

However, as a unselfish midfielder that keeps the engine room running box to box, distributing the ball accurately with precision and no unnecessary show boating that can score. He Tega is very effective nit that pleasing on the eye but get the job done with very effective end product.

They ate different players to be honest.

komekn:
Tottenham player on loan at Villa.

soetanoreoluwa:
What can you say about ebuchi case?

forgiveness:
No body has approached Onomah. He is another version of Raheem Lawal and Alex Iwobi combined.