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Kog45:
Na u dey vexed me

I never said anything bad. Is it that you didn't notice that Onazi was leaving spaces? Or you didn't notice that in attack Ndidi contributed nothing? Watch Kante, he not only stops attack but initiates them, Onazi's explanation of the term 'initiate attack' is 'hoof a long ball to the wingers for them to chase' which is poor and Ndidi too wasn't connecting play at all. Both had their bad spots in that game which I duly pointed out but you ignored Ndidi's own and stood for Onazi because he is your golden boy

forgiveness:
Oga! Busicat abi na Busqshirt is only good for Barcelona style of play.

During Guardiola's era his dirty antics was always to get sympathy from players by falling at the slightest touch.


Ok! Where was Busicat or Busqshirt when Barcelona dey chop sand for Chelsea hand? Was he not in the midfield when Chelsea players ghost passed him with him sisi style of play?

Who was in the midfield for Chelsea?

No tell me say na King Mikel Obi ooooooo.

Haba now, talk like you have sense for once.

Barca-Chelsea games have always been close, Chelsea will park the bus complete and nick one goal, how is that Busq's fault? Please do you even know the work of the DMF?

Mikel played DMF for Chelsea, Barca had atleast 6shots on target plus a missed penalty, they penetrated Mikel just that they couldn't score, totally different and if you watched that match you would understand.

Now I understand why you talk football like a kid sometimes, typical Chelsea fan

Kog45:
My man i believe u know football but sometimes u talk football theoretically which is not always good,pls be practical.

It's too early to judge this team and based on their performances so far u are just making mockery of d team due to reason best known to u which i don't understand.

This is d first time in history of Nigeria world cup qualifications that we are having easy ride even d US94 squad find it difficult,needed to wait till last minute against Algeria before making it,though d team is not perfect yet but hope d grey area w be addressed.

I read your post with keen interest and i always discovered when u don't like particular player u condemn d team entirely,so i wasn't surprise with your write up coz Onazi Ogeny has been your headache in d starting line up and u use any slightest opportunity to thrash him down leaving your own Ndidi alone.

I remember against South Africa u pass d bulk of inefficiency of Ndidi on Onazi and u are still doing d same thing here.Even rating player like Agu and Esiti higher than Onazi which i find nauseating.Truly Ndidi is a class that I strongly rate but try to downplay Onazi contribution to d team is uncalled for.

Maybe someone vexed you, after you must have calmed down, go and read that post again. I clearly stated that Ndidi wasn't contributing anything attack-wise or you also want me to blame Ndidi for Onazi's mistake before I make you happy?


Tell me how we qualified for 98 world cup, I think with a game to spare. Stop the hype, this team might be good but they are not close to it. Telling me you fancy your chances against Spain in the round of 16 is biased sentiment at best

Joebie:
Leave resume. Lagerback's SE performance was mediocre. What made the team good? How far did they go? By that standard, you should be speaking more highly of Bora.. lol

we didn't go far because Aiyegbeni was paid to ruin our campaign, together with Kaita. we were comfortably going to dispatch of Greece until he messed up and we should have defeated south Korea if not for that other guy. personally the coach did his job and an outstanding one at that, look at what the Iceland team is doing now

Joebie:
hmm. you mean Lars Lagerback

Rohr so far is the most promising since Troussier. It's too early to talk about his complete team. In my estimation it's maybe 70% concluded.

let me argue better things with you rather than wasting my time with someone who thinks doing a rainbow flick means controlling the midfield or skinning a dmf.


looking at the resume of the two coaches Lars lagerback is far superior, not to mention that in a short while he assembled a really really good team. tactically Lars is a lot better

Joebie:
I wasn't particularly impressed with the Keshi era either. And that's my own opinion.

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When/If* we qualify, I see Rohr surpassing our past. And I don't care who we will be grouped with. Remember our best in the WC is the second round. Just keeping the target low, but trying to tell you all the same that the '94 SE had the best chance of going past the second round, compared to the the SE of 98, 02, 2010 and 2014. If we had kept faith with Troussier we would have achieved it in 98. IMO, the SE of 2002, 2010 and 2014 did not have that potential considering the depth of the starting line up and the bench.

i think the 2010 set had a shot, no thanks to Keita and his silly behaviour. The squad was great, Osaze was on the bench too, Obasi was brilliant and Keita wasn't a bad player. Kanu was on the bench too and the coach was great(he is quite better than Rohr for sure). It depends on the group we find ourselves and the adjacent group, meet any top team and we are not going to like it

TheGoodJoe:
Who said your loss has anything to do with Busquets? I laugh in ching chong. Please Pastore played in one of the preseason games against Barcelona.

Busquets is a perfect fit for the Barcelona system. Outside that, he ain't all that one on one, he will get destroyed. Keep in mind, I am a big Busquets fan.

except if Pastore plays for Juventus, Manu or some chinese team I don't know the preseason you are talking about

TheGoodJoe:
In Spain and Barcelona, Busquets plays in teams that defends with collective efforts. Busquets is hardly in a position where he as to do a lot of defending alone. His style of play fits the system. He only plays and has played in a system where his team does most of the controlling. They are hardly underpressure for a long time.

Mikel is not a DMF turned attacking midfield. He is a creative genius put in an unfamiliar position. He made the most of the DMF role. So leave to defender. Put Busquets in a team that does not hold possession and let me see whether he smell top 20 World best defensive midfielders.

do you actually know that under Tata Martino we were a counter-attacking team? But Busq was still the boss.

Do you know that in the match against Pep's Bayern, Barca conceded possession but still Busq was not penetrated?

Do you even listen to yourself? Don't you know that it's teams that control possession that are more liable to counter attacks thus making the work of the dmf very very vital and important.


Mikel is nowhere close to the top 20 amfs in Eastern Europe alone, but Busquets has been doing this against top teams, even Pirlo could not take the midfield from Spain with Busq there and Mikel is not Pirlo, not even close, somehow you think Mikel will skin Busq? This thing is really confusing, are you in a bar currently?

Joebie:
Fine, it's not about the scoreline, but I think you are exaggerating especially when you use say "totally outclassed". I don't admire most of our recent (pre Rohr era) performances though.

I still think we had some very good performances before Rohr but I know we can't compete with the top teams yet. That has to be our vision 2022

TheGoodJoe:
Who said Rakitic is a dmf? I am talking of marking to diminish the effect of a player. Also, we are talking of stopping Mikel from performing. That is why I keep preaching against people who just look at stats and argue than watching the game and judge.

If Mikel is in position to give killer through balls, it is dangerous. Statistics might not write he created a chance but anyone watching it knew that was a deadly one. With a well timed run, that could cause havoc.

But wait, this guy was the DMF of the all conquering Barca and Spanish teams but somehow he will be skinned by a 30 year old Dmf turned amf who isn't among the top 10 Amfs in the world? Wow! Just wow, are you at home?

TheGoodJoe:
Mikel will murder him. Mikel Vs Busquets is no match.

ok so you are telling me that Mikel who isn't even an Amf for his club will skin the best Dmf in the world when other top top Amfs have never done that? Am I getting this right?

TheGoodJoe:
Just negodu. Ask Ozil. Why not ask Isco? What of Pastore?

you see, do you even watch this games?

Our 4-0 loss to Psg had nothing to do with Pastore schooling Busq, oga talk like someone who watches the front of his tv for once. Go, sitdown and watch that game, then come back and tell me Busq's actual position in that game.

How did Isco school Busquets and where?

Joebie:
Oga, assuming u be small pikin, I for don pull your ear well well oh..

we've played several big teams in all our world cup appearances. Now let's talk facts. how many times were we trashed?

getting thrashed is far far different from getting totally outplayed. By the way in recent memory, our only meeting with Spain was a thorough thrashing, 3-0 not 4-0 though. And apart from Enyeama's heroics, we would have been Messi's most preferred team at the group stages. Which other top team have we faced in recent memory?

Napoleon55:
u give a lot of false information just to win arguments,
Spain scored us 3 goals but u said 4,Messi has scord SE only one goal in an open play but u said 2

so the freekick Messi scored was not part of football?

My bad about Spain though, 3-0 sounds a lot better than 4-0

TheGoodJoe:
Just glanced at the clip. From the start, Mikel took a shot inside the 18 yard Box and Pique was outside. The same person you are praising will diminish Mikel. Ha. Take ya time. Central Midfielder inside the 18 and dmf outside.

I swear you aint making sense

TheGoodJoe:

It is chance created. If a midfielder creates a good chance and the forward makes a bad run, does it mean the chance was not created. Now you are jumping to Iheanacho. You can not talk without Iheanacho. Busquets can not diminish Mikel. The same Busquets lots of people have skinned. If you are talking people like Vidal or Rakitic, I can understand but Busquets. Tah.

Rakitic isn't even a dmf.

Oga, offsides are not counted as chances created, go and ask anybody

TheGoodJoe:
But Busquets could not diminish Mikel, Abi? You were totally wrong there. You are making it look like Busquets is one defensive genius. Give Mikel Busquets, I can bet my three months salary. Mikel will skin him alive. That one is a sure Banker.

Is it not Busquets I have watched very well.

I wonder how you talk sometimes. Oga, in that game Mikel played as the CMF not Amf, so Busq had no business with him. Currently Mikel plays as our Amf so Busq will have a serious business with him, does that make sense now? Which Mikel will skin Busquets? Something the best Amfs in the world couldn't do, ask Ozil

TheGoodJoe:
So you do not know that is a chance created. The midfielder did his job but the forward failed to capitalize on it. With a forward who times his run to perfection, that is a well created chance.

this is why you said Iheanacho won aerial duels when he never did. Oga, we can as well say the pass was misplaced, it does not count anywhere in the world, just like hitting the bar isn't a shot on target

TheGoodJoe:
Mikel played ten and Busquets played four. Busquets had no means in diminishing Mikel's effect. Mikel took one shot close to the box. Another I think inside the box that was blocked. So saying just center is a mirage.

Sunday Mba played that game as the AMF, he was Busq's business all game long and we both know he didn't move.

The way you said this is just pure primary school football where they play 4-2-4 formation and you tell your 4 to go and mark their 10. Here they have a 10 and an AMF, your 4 marks the Amf

TheGoodJoe:
Off the top of my head, I remember the through ball to Musa that Musa mistimed his run.

that was an offside, I didn't know offsides count in your own football game

freshest4live:
I saw Spain outplay Germany in the same 2010 World cup semifinal.

are you sure you watched the game? I can post a youtube link too, it was one of my favourite games at the world cup because of how tactically astute both teams were. How did they even score

TheGoodJoe:

Why are you talking in circles? You said Busquets will reduce Mikel's effect. The same Busquets Mikel used to make more name than Maradona. Now you are talking how many did we score. That is shifting goal post.

Are you sure you watched the game? Mikel made good passes. The forwards let the team down. At least watch the Mikel vs Spain highlight.

maybe you should watch. There was only one clear cut chance all game, for one guy like that from the local league. Mikel's influence was at the exact center, nowhere close to their box, what's Busq's business there? Maybe you should watch that game again

daveP:
Even France didnt outplay us. Unless outplay has a new meaning. Outplay cases are: Liverpool vs Arsenal, man u vs Arsenal.

France no follow my top team brother. And Maradona never said something like that

daveP:
Mistakes that we weren't ready to work on then. So just agree this team is a far leap from those times. Didnt you notice the way everyone played to support a team mate in a tight corner? Just relax, we would soon have our Alves and Marcelo soon. Echiejile won't play always. There was teamwork to a great level against cmr. I however suggest you rewatch the match in Uyo.

that's pure hype because he is white. That team at the Afcon 2013 was brilliant and they played very well, they definetly played better than we did against Cameroon in the return leg. Watch that match against Bosnia, we were technically better than them and the scoreline will even deceive you that it was a close game, we were totally better

AIG07:
Na because of people like Mikael2 e de pain me say we couldn't assemble our best u-23s for the last Olympics. All this talk of Germany, Brazil wouldn't have surface. Baba take ya time. Na because of people like Mikael2 e de pain me say we couldn't assemble our best u-23s for the last Olympics. All this talk of Germany, Brazil wouldn't have surface. Baba take ya time.

wetin Olympics dey find for world cup?

Out of that german team at the olympics how many dey go this world cup? Highest 2, how many dey first eleven? Zero

Joebie:
Well it's a debate.. IMO, none of those performances you mentioned match the one in question. I can definitely go back to watch them again.

watch the first one most especially

Napoleon55:
did u know that we have defeated Spain in a WC game,where were all their barca and real madrid players then with their technical ability?,oga stop pretending as lf u know jack about football,we have never been disgraced by any big team in a world cup game.

this is 2017, not 1998. Denmark did not disgrace us, they destroyed us. Disgracing isn't even about the scoreline, it's about being outplayed totally and outclassed, we have received that quite a number of times

freshest4live:
But if they dominated Germany or ltaly that same way to win by thesame one goal margin, would you criticize Germany this way? Wouldn't you say the Germans played a tactical game of defence /counter attack but lost marginally?

probably because they wouldn't outplay them as much as they did us. This isn't about goal margin, that 1-0 loss to Argentina could have been anything from 4-0 upwards

AIG07:
the team late keshi took to the confed weren't even close to the team that won afcon'13 which wasn't even made of the best crop of players we had then. Yet they could only get three past us.

Here you are making SEs look like a team from some faraway Faroe Island or Seychelles wey Spain go turn to training materials.

the match ended 4 goals to nothing and they had already qualified and were conserving energy

daveP:
We have passion and drive than those times. besides there was no team understanding then(reason why there were losts of misplaced passes against these 2teams. Iniesta did lots of that in the ucl and peeps said he was finished.) recall the game against tahiti? emphasis on team understanding each other. Balogun knew that and it saved the day.

we actually played very well against Spain but that's why they are a top team, ruthless. We totally outplayed Uruguay but we lost. That's the thing, top teams punish you for any mistake

AIG07:
Chai! See how you make it look like we go chop 8 goals against Spain, Brazil, Germany etc.

Baba calm down. The worst that that performance can fetch us is conceding 3 goals. Due to:
1. Lack of experienced goal keeper
2. Echejile's lackluster performance.

I was making similar claim back in 2010 going into our first match against Argentina. I can remember how I was telling my dad then about how a star studded Argentina team which boast of a more lethal attack and defence than any of the above teams you are talking about will maul us. Telling him how Leo will single handedly crush the Eagles.

He told me that as much as Argentinans are world football powers, Nigeria too are no minnows. He added that non of these countries will ever underrate us. Cos they know the kind of surprises Nigeria can pull. Then he capped it by saying 90mins will be the judge.

Lo, the match was played and to my surprised the much hyped Argentina couldn't get past our goalkeeper as expected.

So bin this your claim. It is this type of believe/thought pattern the Zambians are seeing that is giving them unnecessary hope of pulling a South Africa against us.

I am quite glad you mentioned that they couldn't get past our keeper. So our hope is our keeper? They totally outplayed us and could have been out of sight as early as the 10th minute but for our GK, is that the way forward? And against Spain we collected a serious thrashing

Napoleon55:
i don't have time to read all these, but just answer me this question,then u can continue with ur underrating SE,how many goals have Messi,(the greatest player of our time) scored against us.

2goals in 2 games. If we count the U20 and Olympics we have 4 in 4, your point is?