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Jewish Rabbi on tithes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw




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Malachi 3:1-7... The Coming Messenger of God... "1 Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming," Says the LORD of hosts. 2 "But who can endure the day of His coming? And who can stand when He appears? For He is like a refiner's fire And like launderers' soap. 3 He will sit as a refiner and a purifier of silver; He will purify the sons of Levi, And purge them as gold and silver, That they may offer to the LORD An offering in righteousness. 4 "Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem Will be pleasant to the LORD, As in the days of old, As in former years. 5 And I will come near you for judgment; I will be a swift witness Against sorcerers, Against adulterers, Against perjurers, Against those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans, And against those who turn away an alien--Because they do not fear Me," Says the LORD of hosts. 6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob. 7 Yet from the days of your fathers You have gone away from My ordinances And have not kept them. Return to Me, and I will return to you," Says the LORD of hosts. "But you said, "In what way shall we return?'"


Do Not Rob [Note: This is another subtitle added by the translators which implies that these verses are speaking about people in general rather the priests - the sons of Levi who collected the tithes.]


Malachi 3:8-12... "8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me! But you say, "In what way have we robbed You?' In tithes and offerings. 9 You are cursed with a curse, For you have robbed Me, Even this whole nation. 10 Bring all the tithes into the storehouse, That there may be food in My house, And try Me now in this," Says the LORD of hosts, "If I will not open for you the windows of heaven And pour out for you such blessing That there will not be room enough to receive it. 11 "And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, So that he will not destroy the fruit of your ground, Nor shall the vine fail to bear fruit for you in the field," Says the LORD of hosts; 12 And all nations will call you blessed, For you will be a delightful land," Says the LORD of hosts."

Now, we see here God were speaking to those who were of the Levitical priesthood (Malachi 1:6-8; Malachi 2:1,4,7-8; Malachi 3:3-5). God in Malachi chapter 3 gives us the time of Christ correction of these sons of Levi for their sins against Him in verses 3:1-3. Notice the phrase "I send My messenger"(v. 3:1) this phrase refers to John the Baptist (Malachi 4:5-6 and Matthew 17:9-13) who came and prepared the way for Christ Jesus; and his message was "to bear witness of the Light" (John 1:7) and "the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins" (Mark 1:4) so people would receive Christ as the One who Saves (Luke 7:26-30). Next, we have the phrase, "the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant" (v. 3:1) this phrase refers to Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior (the second Adam) who came to pay the penalty for the sin of Adam and of all Mankind; and to make another Covenant (a New Covenant) with the people whom God would call, a chosen people of priests for His new nation (Hebrews 8 and 1 Peter 2:9-10). So you see, we have the time frame for the purifying of the "sons of Levi" (the priesthood) as the Holy Spirit says of the Messenger of the Covenant, "He will purify the sons of Levi, and purge them" (v. 3:3). Christ Jesus, as the Messenger of the Covenant have already purged these "sons of Levi" and purified those who would be called and chosen by God. The priesthood has changed, and Christ is the High Priest of this royal priesthood (Hebrews 2:1;4:14-15; and Hebrews chapters 5-10 of which I will speak more of later). When we get to the phrase, "who can endure the day of His coming?" (v. 3:2), this further identify the arrival of Christ to purify and purge the priesthood (sons of Levi) that "they may offer to the LORD an offering in righteousness" (v. 3:3). I ask this question are there "sons of Levi" offering up "an offering in righteousness" today? Are not the priests of the New Covenant royal priesthood offering up offerings to God and His Christ in righteousness today? Malachi is the last book of the old Covenant because this closes out the old nation of Israel for the bringing in of the new Covenant as it is written in the book of Hebrews.

Now, let us go back to these priests and sons of Levi during Malachi time. They were denying the portions of the tithes which belonged to the "widows and orphans" and the alien (every three years they were to share the tithes they received with needy) in the land of Israel (Deut. 14:27-29 and Mal. 3:5). Having already proved from Malachi 1 and 2 that the priests, the sons of Levi were the ones who are said to have been robbing God of His "tithes and offerings" in Malachi 3:8. If you still do not see this at this stage of my paper, then I pray that you please ask God for understanding with a humble and teachable heart, and He give you understanding in this too. Furthermore, this can be seen clearly in these verses in the book of Malachi where God says of these corrupt "sons of Levi"; "you place defiled food on My altar", you say "the LORD's table is contemptible" (Mal. 1:7), and "you bring blind animals for sacrifice" (Mal. 1:. Then, we come to Malachi 3 where God speaks of purifying and purging the sons of Levi, and that God will come near to them for judgment. He "will be a swift witness against... those who exploit wage earners and widows and orphans, and against those who turn away an alien" (Mal. 3:5). As you can see God says, these "sons of Levi" were receiving the "tithes and offerings" from the people, but they were taking the best for themselves (for the Spirit says they exploited wage earners) and refusing to give to and support the widows, orphans, and aliens in the land.

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hese priests said to the people, "the Lord’s table is contemptible"(v. 7) causing the "whole nation" to be cursed because of their evil deeds (Malachi 3:9); this gives us further Scripture proof that it were the priests and not, I repeat not the people who God is talking about in Malachi 3. Because only the priests sins brought sin on the nation, the sins of the people were atoned for by the priests; therefore, it was not possible for the people not tithing to bring a curse on the whole nation. So, I say to you today where these self-appointed gospel peddlers claim the people were robbing God - its not the people but the Levites and the priests who were robbing God - read it for yourself. This makes Malachi a prophecy for these same ministers who claim the right of extracting "tithes and offerings" from you because they are during the same thing these "sons of Levi" were doing; and that is keeping the better part of your money for themselves and their pet projects.

Now, when we move to Malachi chapter two we see God is still speaking to the priests and not the people as so many Christians have been led to believe by their leaders, these money lovers and self-proclaimed "tithes and offerings" collectors who have declared themselves to be God. For they say to those who they demand money from, that if you don't give to them you are robbing God. Thereby, claiming if you want to give to God then you must give to them and no one else.

These ministers peddles the word of God for profit and financial gain - teaching for doctrine the traditions of men and doctrines of Satan concerning tithes and offerings; something God have not command them, and He have not given them this authority to demand money from you under the new Covenant. They are misusing the Holy Scripture to fill their pockets and "their churches" bank accounts. They are "living it up" on the word of God rather than being content, and helping those in need. These ministers are refusing to preach the word without cost. The Holy Spirit speaks of these ministers in 2 Peter 3:16… where it is said, these ministers have used Malachi 3 as "untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scripture". Yes, some twist the Scripture through ignorance and some through deceit and evil motives, and they all resist sound doctrine.

Malachi 2:1-9... Admonition for the Priests (Notice here God through the prophet speaks of the the admonish of the Priests not, I repeat not the people)
"1 And now this admonition is for you, O priests. 2 If you do not listen, and if you do not set your heart to honor my name," says the LORD Almighty, "I will send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings. Yes, I have already cursed them, because you have not set your heart to honor me. 3 "Because of you I will rebuke your descendants; I will spread on your faces the offal from your festival sacrifices, and you will be carried off with it. 4 And you will know that I have sent you this admonition so that my covenant with Levi may continue," says the LORD Almighty. 5 "My covenant was with him, a covenant of life and peace, and I gave them to him; this called for reverence and he revered me and stood in awe of my name. 6 True instruction was in his mouth and nothing false was found on his lips. He walked with me in peace and uprightness, and turned many from sin. 7 "For the lips of a priest ought to preserve knowledge, and from his mouth men should seek instruction-because he is the messenger of the LORD Almighty. 8 But you have turned from the way and by your teaching have caused many to stumble; you have violated the covenant with Levi," says the LORD Almighty. 9 "So I have caused you to be despised and humiliated before all the people, because you have not followed my ways but have shown partiality in matters of the law."

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Who was Malachi refering to


In Malachi 1:6-8, it is shown that God were speaking to the leaders (the Levites and Priests of Israel) who were defrauding and robbing God of the tithes and offerings not the people who brought the tithes to them (the people continued to give and tithe to them even while these corrupt Levites and priests stole from God - and the widows, the poor and strangers in the land). These priests were not giving God His due honor before the people by taking care of those widows and orphans in need nor were they sacrificing the best of the grain and livestock to God rather they were keeping the best for themselves to sell and increase their own wealth from the things tithed and offered by those who were required to tithe. Just think of the glory our God in heaven would receive if these so-called "tithes and offerings" ministers actually followed these old Covenant instructions by helping the poor and needy with your "tithes and offerings" money instead of helping themselves. Today, we as Christians are called upon in the New Testament (or Covenant) which requires much more in giving and helping those in need than the Old Testament. For, we as Christians shall be judged by our treatment of those in need and those well to due Christians will be judged by what they did with their money (Matthew 19:16-24; Luke 12:33; Luke 19:1-10 and Matthew 25 - more on this later).

Malachi 1:6-8... "6 A son honors his father, and a servant his master. If I am a father, where is the honor due me? If I am a master, where is the respect due me?" says the LORD Almighty. "It is you, O priests, who show contempt for my name. "But you ask, 'How have we shown contempt for your name?' 7 "You place defiled food on my altar. "But you ask, 'How have we defiled you?' "By saying that the LORD's table is contemptible. 8 When you bring blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong? When you sacrifice crippled or diseased animals, is that not wrong? Try offering them to your governor! Would he be pleased with you? Would he accept you?" says the LORD Almighty"

Notice in verse 6 of Malachi chapter one God says, "It is you, O priests, who show contempt for My Name"; there you have it, it were the priests not the people, who were not respecting God as a Father and Master (if they were sons or servants then they did not show it, making them neither as for as God was concern). God says these priests showed Him contempt instead of honor and "place defiled food on"(v. 7) His altar (this phrase give us more proof that God was talking to the Levitical priesthood because they were the only ones commanded by God to offer the sacrifices on the altar).

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Malachi 3 Mis-Interpreted by mainstream Christianity


One of the main Scripture these peddlers of God’s word use to support their doctrine of demanding and extorting "tithes and offerings" from those who are seeking God's favor is Malachi 3:

Let’s look at one of the main Scripture that all these self-appointed gospel peddlers love to use: (those who peddle the word of God for profit and gain - see 2 Corinthians 2:17 below), these tithes and offerings extorters, ministers who follow the doctrine of Balaam (Jude 1:11); who claim these verses in Malachi 3 give them the authority to extort "tithes and offerings" from the people that are seeking to be saved from this evil and adulterous world; and that is Malachi chapter 3.

But, first let us look at Malachi chapters 1 and 2 to see who the word "man" refers to in verse 8 of Malachi 3 when God asks the question, these gospel peddlers love to quote when they want more of your money in their control; and that is "Will a man rob God? They never tell you who God is speaking to in this Scripture (they just speak about it in such a way to lead you to believe that God was speaking to you the member of their human organizations) - they have deceived you into believing God was speaking to you rather than to them - more specifically God is speaking to the Levites and the priesthood of Aaron and not the people giving the tithes and offerings to them.

These Levites and priests behavior had caused the people to be discouraged in that by saying the "Lord’s table is contemptible" (much like those today who take your tithes and offerings to buy for themselves the best of goods and services while refusing to help those who are not a member of their church); they were making the people give defected and sick animals for God as tithes and offerings; and taking the best of the livestock and grain offerings for themselves to sell for profit. Nor were these priests of Levi keeping God’s command to the Levites in Deuteronomy 26:12-13, where God said to them… "12 When you have finished laying aside all the tithe of your increase in the third year--the year of tithing--and have given it to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, so that they may eat within your gates and be filled, 13 then you shall say before the LORD your God: "I have removed the holy tithe from my house, and also have given them to the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, according to all Your commandments which You have commanded me; I have not transgressed Your commandments, nor have I forgotten them""

The Levites were commanded to receive tithes and offerings from the people; however, in the third year they were to share this tithe given to them by those who had livestock and land to tithe on with "the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow". In Malachi 3, these "sons of Levi" were not during this because they did not fear God.The below listed Scriptures tell us what most of the ministers today are about - these are the tele-evangelists, the super-ministers, and the mega-church ministers who believe building bigger churches are more important than taking care of the needs of the widows and the poor and needy in their community.

Notice, the Holy Spirit through the apostle Paul says, "many" not a few ministers are peddling God's word for profit from your "tithes and offerings"

2 Corinthians 2:17... "For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ."
Here again in Jude 1, the Scripture points us to those who "run greedily in the error of Balaam for profit". They live in mansions and very costly temples while claiming to serve God and His Christ Jesus. Many of you know these super ministers and their up and coming students of their greed (see Rev. 2:14).


Cont reading from the link above...........

lexy2014:
bros if u break some people's skulls and put this video inside and weld d head back, their passion 2 remain deceived will force it out

Believe me a lot of Christians need to sit down and study their bible very well . They should be able to challenge their pastors without being cursed or asked to leave the church.

How can you pick part of the old law because it suits you and leave the rest of the process . When Gods instructions on it is very clear. If you must collect tithes , then you must follow the whole process of storing, sharing , allocation and reserving some for poor widows, year when to collect and not collect it

I have not come across it in the bible where it says a pastor should collect it ...if there are no priest or Levites....... Jesus did not collect tithes because he was from the tribe of Judah and not a Levites and the apostles did not .



It might interest you to read here
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But, first let us look at Malachi chapters 1 and 2 to see who the word "man" refers to in verse 8 of Malachi 3 when God asks the question, these gospel peddlers love to quote when they want more of your money in their control; and that is "Will a man rob God? They never tell you who God is speaking to in this Scripture (they just speak about it in such a way to lead you to believe that God was speaking to you the member of their human organizations) - they have deceived you into believing God was speaking to you rather than to them - more specifically God is speaking to the Levites and the priesthood of Aaron and not the people giving the tithes and offerings to them. ,,,,Read on from the link







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RY6Sk6o1Fco

TB Joshua said take your tithes and help anybody around you instead of bringing it to his church.
Pastor Chris Oyakhilome advice to bring it to his church .


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugeP9aF4DwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuSdWassvV0

IMO...Tithes collected by big churches should go towards helping people in bad situation like this

Well done sir


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuSdWassvV0

who even changed the law of tithing and offering into money,,,,, because I know it is not God and is not Jesus Christ or Apostles of Jesus Christ.

Giving out of love ....... Well done TBJ

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Pastor TB joshua said use your tithes to help the poor around you instead of bringing it to the church
Pastor Oyakhilome said you have to give it to church no matter what


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugeP9aF4DwU

Pastor Chris Oyakilome replies TB Joshua and Freeze on tithe



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugeP9aF4DwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIN0Gj9cLO0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGQsL9HE90o

God is not an author of confusion... He is so perfect...

Jesus did not collect tithes because he was from the tribe of Judah ,,,God commaNDED the Levites to do so.

God gave precise instructions on the collection *who has to collect it* , storing (where the tithes are to be stored*...... how it is to be allocated .......years it has to be given and collected........how it has to be shared and uses.

What the pastors today are preaching is just.......... the paying of the tithes ........Yep It is Commandment

But ignored Gods commandment on the ...... storing....... sharing....allocation of the tithes .......and who they have to give it to...and the feast to observe..* Feast of Tabernacles*........why are those not relevant.....why do one and leave the rest.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTnS3VxNUI


If you want to know if a Christian is required to tithe, then you should call a rabbi, and ask them if their religion still tithes. Since the tithe is part of the old covenant, and the Jews follow the old covenant, then you should see if they tithe. Jews do not tithe today by the way, and the rabbis will tell you this, because the tithe was set up to support the tribe of Levi, and the tribe of Levi can not be found on the face of the earth right now, and also , there is no main temple, and the tithe was instated to support and pay for the upkeep of the temple. Now, should a Christian pay for the support and upkeep of his church including paying ALL of the church workers, not just the pastor, sure. The rabbis will tell you that all of the Jews hat belong to a certain synagogue pay a fee, bu tit is no where near a tenth of their income, they pay a small membership fee for the upkeep of their place of worship and paying the workers there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChMKcarUWOI


If you want to know if a Christian is required to tithe, then you should call a rabbi, and ask them if their religion still tithes. Since the tithe is part of the old covenant, and the Jews follow the old covenant, then you should see if they tithe. Jews do not tithe today by the way, and the rabbis will tell you this, because the tithe was set up to support the tribe of Levi, and the tribe of Levi can not be found on the face of the earth right now, and also , there is no main temple, and the tithe was instated to support and pay for the upkeep of the temple. Now, should a Christian pay for the support and upkeep of his church including paying ALL of the church workers, not just the pastor, sure. The rabbis will tell you that all of the Jews hat belong to a certain synagogue pay a fee, bu tit is no where near a tenth of their income, they pay a small membership fee for the upkeep of their place of worship and paying the workers there.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYFkEh5bEXw

God is not an author of confusion... He is so perfect...

God gave precise instructions on the collection *who has to collect it* , storing (where the tithes are to be stored*...... how it is to be allocated .......years it has to be given and collected........how it has to be shared and uses.

What the pastors today are preaching is just.......... the paying of the tithes ........Yep It is Commandment

But ignored Gods commandment on the ...... storing....... sharing....allocation of the tithes .......and who they have to give it to...and the feast to observe..* Feast of Tabernacles*........why are those not relevant.....why do one and leave the rest.


Feast of Tabernacles> Leviticus 23:34-36.
This Feast begins on the 15th day of the 7th month and continues for 7 days. The first day is a Holy Day with a commanded assembly. Verse 36 shows that an offering was given each day of this Feast under the Levitical system. Yet, today, an offering is only given on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles, as verse 37 indicates for Holy Days.

This is the one Feast in particular in which God commands everyone to rejoice! This Feast looks forward in time to the most joyful occasion of all time.

I mean you CANT ignore the process and just eat the tithe. Tithes has uses , years to be collected and shared , allocations and who has to collect it and the partakers... . It also has curses attached to people stealing it . If not done properly it becomes unholy.

If you do one ... you have to do the other..if you are following the law .

http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14408-tithe

You have to read the whole of the Jewish Encyclopedia posted on the link above.


If we have to tithe .. we have to practise all the steps involved in the process of the Mosaic law... otherwise it is being done wrongly.

It has to be holy ....It is a Mosaic law...we have to observe the tithing year .. the passover and the , if it were to be converted ..it must be spent on eatables ..part of it must go the poor ...... You can leave the process out and just eat the tithe ...Must be for the use of the Levites.

Quotes from the Encyclopedia
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Later the Mosaic law made the tithe obligatory upon the Israelites. The tithe, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, belonged to Yhwh and consequently was holy. It was redeemable by "adding thereto the fifth part thereof." The tithe of cattle, however, was not redeemable; and if one beast was exchanged for another both became holy unto the Lord. The method of levying the tithe of cattle is indicated: they were counted singly; and every tenth one that passed under the rod became the tithe animal (Lev. xxvii. 30-33).

. Every third year the tithes were not to be carried to the city of the Temple, but were to be stored at home ("within thy gates", and "the Levite, the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow" were to "eat and be satisfied" (ib. verse 29). It is to be concluded that, the seventh year being a Sabbatical year and no tithing being permissible therein, the tithe of the first, second, fourth, and fifth years of every cycle of seven years had to be brought to the Temple and eaten by the landowner and his family, while the tithe of the third and sixth years was to be left at home for the poor.

A mourner was not allowed to eat the tithe, nor might one employ it for any unclean use, nor give it for the dead.

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Jesus did not collect tithes because he was from the tribe of Judah... God commandment was that only the Levites should receive tithes ...nor did it mention pastors from tribes in Nigeria .....some are now believing they have power to increase the tithes ...na waa o

Pastor TB Joshua advice to take your tithes and help anybody around you instead of giving it to the church
Pastor Oyakhilome said you have to bring it to his church no matter what.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugeP9aF4DwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxe-SM42mb8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIeZcqtQvO4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTnS3VxNUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOTnTWRDfw


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CG0Wf_osUAw

Jewish Rabbi on tithes



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIN0Gj9cLO0



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqIZTcC3ljU

Jewish Rabbi on tithes


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIN0Gj9cLO0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqIZTcC3ljU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeeROC0w3sc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0Q00QT4aVs


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JV6vlahoXlA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOTnTWRDfw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zn2uXvpO3HE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lxe-SM42mb8







https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4KTnS3VxNUI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGQsL9HE90o

without offering and tithes ..most churches wont function properly and many pastors will quit their calling.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2qOTnTWRDfw



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgNQ5W2pex4