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Christmasdon:
. Can i get u. Just because there are so many rape cases in all part of the world, does it mean we should now fold our hands. ? enough of this.
say NO to rape.
I condemn any form of rape in totality.

I dont know how this stuff you wrote corresponds with my comment.

If anybody needs that reminder, its the guy I was responding to.

NOHOLDSBAR:
Forget mysterious or suspected murders which some also go unresolved in the US.
Just talking about plain open violent murders, no country is even close to the US. None.
The rate of crime in Nigeria especially murder is very low when compared percentage wise or even just share numbers.
Guaranteed, Chicago, Baltimore, and some other major US cities will have 10 to 20 murders per week. Nothing close to that is happening in Nigeria.
I live in Nigeria and the US, I know what I'm talking about.
I feel safer in Lagos than in most US major cities.

I dont doubt that you know what youre talking about but I think youre being somewhat sentimental. Even if the person is not murdered, what about rapes, extortion, harassment, touting, robbery?

And plus Nigeria has almost twice the murder rate of the US, even with half its population! Thats just insane

Even just the atmosphere in PH at some times of the year is enough to make you feel somehow. That guy was being unpatriotic but you cant blame him for having the initial sentiment

NOHOLDSBAR:
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So going by this your warped logic the US will be the chief Animal kingdom because the US is the murder capital of the world.
You can get killed on the street of any major US city for less than 20 dollars. By the end of the week Chicago alone is guaranteed to have more than 20 murders. That's just in one city. How many were killed in New Jersey just yesterday?

Some of you just post rubbish and trash without any ounce of common sense.

Come on! As if the murders in the whole of America can be compared with Nigeria which has almost half of its population lmao

And as if we take mysterious deaths seriously in this country, and as if we actually have a functioning police force, judiciary and prison system smh

Nigeria by very virtue of its low functionality is more dangerous than America, thats just the truth

IAmStrange:
Yeah, maybe!

But the focus is on Imes!

it may just be that Allaah has given me the gift of knowing of his coming and not necessarily because I have a part to play.

The focus is on Imes and he is coming The world should get prepared

Lol Okay o. I have noted this conversation for future reference for whenever he shows up

Organs:
The question is, based on all your earlier comments, do you believe this absolutely?

Yes

IAmStrange:
I saw it in my dreams. Imes is coming

As for why I'm the only one, maybe it's because Allaah has decreed that I will have a part to play in his cause or something.

Allaah knows best.

Congratulations. Maybe we'll read about you somewhere, someday

Organs:
This belief that you have..... Adam was created by God, now God gave him a command, he disobeyed. Now, all his offsprings are guilty of that sin. Now, God the father had to sacrifice God the son, to be beaten, striped almost naked, and nailed on the cross and left on the cross with thieves to die before he can forgive that original sin.

So wheres the question... Lol I am not a mind-reader..

IAmStrange:
yeah anybody can be exposed to anything. But there are many Christians who aren't has exposed to Islamic subjects as you.

like you meeting Salafis and Ahmadiyyahs and co...

I am not trying to accuse you of hiding anything or your true identity here.

No, I am not offended; I genuinely wasnt sure what your question meant when the country is split between Christians and Muslims and we talk about religion incessantly every day.

Yes I am more exposed to it I suppose. Probably because my family encourages free thinking

IAmStrange:
I didn't get this before. can you just kindly type all your messages at once or if you are going to add, mention me after you modify so I can go back it?

Yeah! it will be a sight to behold. that will make the coming of Imes more interesting!

Imes is coming to shock the whole world. Just watch out!

Lol! Sorry. I tend to remember interesting things after Ive already pressed "submit"

Yes, we are looking forward to it but Did you see his coming in a revelation or something? Why are you the only person who knows about it

IAmStrange:
Wait, are you Christian or Muslim?

And secondly, if it's the former, how cone you are exposed to Muslim subjects or topics this much?

I am a Christian. And anybody can be exposed to anything so Im not sure of the direction of that question

Organs:
I asked about the "Belief" that your whole original sin is based on as well as the necessary blood atonement before sin can be forgiven.

Did you check your mail, my sister in the lord? I used to think its ozingo zingoo......praise thy lord!

Where exactly is your question? Quote it again because your posts are not making sense.

IAmStrange:
Imes will come in Shaa Allaah and when he comes, he will suggest to us what to do.

Lol, excuse me again for being facile but honestly, its not me who needs to read that message. I must have heard it a million times already

Its those racists who need to read it.

Well, if Imes will shut them all up then he should ride on because unfortunately, the Islamic world is marred by racism (not that the Christian world isnt)

IAmStrange:
Look, I believe you are advanced in reasoning enough to understand that some people can identify with a name but truly do not practise what that name implies.

As for why does he have enemies, I also believe your reasoning s advanced enough to understand that the call of truth will surely have enemies. Did Jesus not have His enemies at his time? He has enemies simply because he was guiding people away from the deviant sects they were upon to the true islam.

Yes, you are right about all those. I guess I just have to re-condition my mind not to automatically think Salafi = Extremist

Organs:
You did not answer the clear questions i asked. I guess you just believe it period. Its like religion. Dogma!

Lol ya akhi...there was actually nothing "clear" about that post and I was struggling to read it There is only one question in there that was clearly indicated with a question mark, and I answered it.

Tsbah aala kheir!

IAmStrange:
That's why I said "If the Muslims of today were concerned with their religion"

they are not doing it simply because they aren't concerned with their religion. Many have deviated miserably and that's what's causing us to be weak today and for the world to have bad impressions about us.

Okay. So what do you suggest everybody does? Apart from listen to "Imes"

By the way is the Imes coming from Africa? Do you think any of those racist Arabs and Asians are going to listen to a word he says

Even though I am not a Muslim, a religious movement coming out of Africa that the world actually takes seriously would be a sight to behold

IAmStrange:
Then let me make it clear that Salafi is not necessarily a sect. it is actually a description that means people who adhere to the way of the Salaf (pious predecessors). it is used to differentiate from those who created and follow deviant sects.

That's what Salafi means - people who are upon what the Prophet and his companions are upon and practise Islam with the methodology that the Prophet and His companions practised it.

Ehn

At the risk of sounding contemptuous, I think you are being quite sentimental.

I expected you explain where exactly all the Saudi Wahhabi propaganda that is flooding the planet right now is actually coming from. Like is it their government or what? And to what end? What is the purpose of it exactly? You say its to destroy Islam...

Which kuffar are you talking about? Who exactly are these people?

How did the Sheikhs movement turn to this, if Salafism is as harmless as youre suggesting it is? Why does he have all these enemies when his is just one branch of Salafism?

How come even Salafi groups in Egypt have started killing people? Egypt where nobody particularly cares? Okay, they must be the "extreme" ones you mentioned

Organs:
These are the contentious parts. Adam was created by God, now God gave him a command, he disobeyed. God did not forgive him. Now, all his offsprings are guilty of that sin. Now, God the father had to sacrifice God the son, to be beaten, striped almost naked, and nailed on the cross and left on the cross with thieves to die before he can forgive that original sin. Now, those that are of different faiths are doomed from that original sin, how about those that existed before Christ and so many others

People who lived righteously prior to the crucifixion are okay, since they had faith that the Messiah was coming to vindicate them and trusted in God to deliver them, though they had not yet actually seen Jesus. There are prophecies and predictions throughout the Old Testament encouraging them of this fact

All those people are saved

At the bolded, God did forgive him. Just because God punishes you or allows you to face the consequences of your actions, it does not mean that He has not forgiven you.

Wrongdoing and sin need to be punished.

IAmStrange:
In fact, if the Muslims of today were concerned with their religion, all Muslim countries should have joined hands to fight them like our predecessors did. they are the extremists and Perhaps, they are the ones you met.

Okay. So why arent they?

In fact thats one of the problems I have with Muslims in general; whenever somebody claiming to be a Muslim murders a bunch of innocent people they really dont seem to be bothered; in fact I have heard some of them privately support the action (though this may be political because of the foreign policies of certain countries wreaking havoc on some muslim-majority countries)

IAmStrange:
What you said here too proves what I said that you either met extremists or you misinterpreted

So of course, if I offended you, it's part of good character that I apologize. I might have even fallen short of this but that's what Islam enjoined. my mistakes never defines Islam.

I am sorry; that was a glib comment. But in my debates with a lot of Muslims they tend to double down on an offensive action or try to justify it rather than apologise as quickly as you have. So it was surprising

I maintain though that Salafi ideology is intolerant. Dont you think that teaching kids that Christians and Jews are pigs is intolerant?

Okay, whats the difference between Salafi and Wahabbi ideology?

Organs:
Don't you think that contradicts the bible verse that says "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. (Ezek 18:20)

Yes, thats why I am qualifying it by saying that its the sinful nature and its consequences that the person inherits and not just that you are simply doomed because of what somebody did thousands of years ago. Adam made it so that he TENDED TOWARDS SIN rather than towards God, and now WE ALL TEND TOWARDS SIN rather than God. Therefore we cannot enter the presence of God without an intercessor who is Jesus.

Jesus died once as a total and perfect sacrifice for all sins committed, being committed and about to be committed, now WE ALL are free from sin, so far as we accept the gift of His blood

Thats why, if you read my next post on the matter, I said that there are implications for taking those scriptures LITERALLY because the book of Genesis is written in a particular creative style and not as a literal account, like the Gospels

IAmStrange:
Are you angry? I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you vexed.

sorry for that

Hmm...and he is quick to apologise...

I dont think you can really be a salafist... why dont you just leave that side and continue with the normal Islam...you are very okay compared to the ones I am seeing

IAmStrange:
You seem to have indeed met them but it's one of two things

Either you met the extremists amongst them or you misinterpreted what you perceived from them.

I do not accept this at all. Salafism by its definition is an extremist endeavour.

Why did you ask me what my experience was and then when I told you, jump to assume that I must be mistaken?

Do I sound like I dont know what an Islamic extremist looks like What do you mean I misinterpreted it?

You havent given even one explanation for anything I wrote there, yet youre accusing me of misinterpretation smh

IAmStrange:
Okay. Can you kindly... KINDLY state some of the the things you refer to as u reasonable, extreme, outdated e.t.c?

pleeeeaaaase!!!!

They seem to have a very binary view of the world in which there is just ONE right way, and everybody else must be totally wrong and there is no room for manoeuvre

They carry this warlike attitude from ancient times when everybody was constantly in open conflict with one another which makes them hostile towards outsiders

Their teachings are intolerant (differing beliefs = death)

They seem to be overly concerned with minutiae that I would consider irrelevant in the wider scheme of things (how to go into your house, how to go to sleep, how to do this, how to do that) just for the simple reason that "that was how the Prophet (saww) did it"

Everything else is bidaa...but cant you think for yourself Like why must they take everything so literally

Whenever I come across any of them it seems that they are suppressing their character in order to be EXACTLY like the Prophet saww which I dont think anybody asked them to do

I understand that they are trying to take Islam back to the root without all the extra cultural practices but the way theyre going about it looks fanatical and extreme to me. I dont think God really tells anybody to act like that

Oh and lest I forget...too many of them have been implicated in terrorist attacks! Even though they are famously non-political. How come so many of them keep getting it wrong and going about killing people?

I actually like Shiaa a lot for the simple reason that you rarely hear of a Shiaa person committing any atrocity anywhere. Even Hezbollah doesnt really do anything unless you provoke them

SmellingAnus:
this kind of mention... Lol...

Lol yes oo...what kind of mention were you expecting with that crazy monicker of yours

IAmStrange:
kindly answer my question in the other topic nah about Salafis

I am coming. Lol, you leave a lot of unopened boxes for me to unpack

Organs:
Hmm, the question he/she is asking is so, a new born baby by way of inheritance has on his head the sins committed centuries ago? Or by your analogy, a baby is already guilty of Sins, because he is naturally wired to commit sinful actions out of selfishness?

Every single human being, as a descendant of Adam, bears the guilt for that original action. That was the curse placed on Adam and Eve for their disobedience.

It doesnt seem fair. Curses rarely do, to the "cursee"...!

The baby is not actually guilty because of his inbuilt selfishness; the baby is CONSIDERED guilty because of his inbuilt selfishness. Those two things are different.

IAmStrange:
But Christians do say what the original sin means is that...

Adam and eve disobeying God has caused their descendants to share in that sin... So everyone born will carry a burden of original sin being a descendant of Adam and it requires Jesus to die for us so that sin can be washed away.

That's what I have learnt from other Christians... perhaps they are misguided.

or what's original sin actually?

Yes, that's the mainstream Christan view according to the book of Genesis. But not everybody chooses to take everything written there literally.

The point is that if any one of us were in the garden of Eden, we still would have eaten from the Tree of Knowledge and brought the same punishment and curses upon ourselves.

I actually remember somebody asking this same question during Bible study many moons ago, and this is the answer we were given.

And I agree with it because it's true that every single human being will commit sin and do the wrong thing after being tempted at least ONCE in their lives. And once is all it takes to invoke Gods wrath and punishment, which is what we need Jesus for. To cleanse us from those sins and take away the punishment.

But I'm just personally not sure if I take those Genesis stories absolutely literally, or if I take them as a metaphors used to describe human development and tendency.

IAmStrange:
And again, why would God create us with original sin in the first place? Isn't that unfair that an innocent person will begin to carry the burden of sin He knows nothing about from birth?

God did not create original sin. God created us with the capacity to decide whether to do right or wrong; when we choose to do wrong it contravenes Gods law and brings about natural punishment such as suffering and stuff like that.

Not that it's the persons fault but the fact that there is sin in the world means that there are also consequences for that sin.

Personally I'm not sure if I take the original sin paradigm literally ; I see it as a metaphor for the fact that human beings are naturally wired to commit sinful actions out of selfishness.

So your assertion that the person "knows nothing about" it is wrong to me, because everybody has the ability and even tendency to do the wrong thing.

Nairaboi:
Oga, go school u no gree. This epistle written does not entail one to go looking for a dictionary.
This is as simplified as it can be. Abi u want make hin write am go pidgin?

The vocabulary in the article is excessive and unnecessary and makes the writing unpleasant to read.

It's not simple at all

glowingflame7:
From today's Open Heavens, hear godly wisdom, not worldly wisdom.
" It is shameful for two brothers of the same Father to take their family dispute to an outsider to settle. Not only does it imply that there is no wise fellow in their family who can settle their dispute, it also opens the door for cultures that are not theirs to influence the way they live their lives, because the fellow whom they take their case to will judge it according to the culture he or she is familiar with. This is what happens when we charge our brethren to court."

I am not saying the dude chose the best way of saying it but if he has been warning them since and they don't want to listen, then he can go public with it.

What you have written there is just a general statement. People shouldn't feel guilty for fighting for what is theirs

That kind of emotional blackmail is why people mess their lives up in the name of religion

IAmStrange:
Wow! So you know about Salafis? Interesting character you are! Now can you kindly tell me why you believe what you said in your first paragraph?

I mean what do you know about Salafis and why do you think I'm too reasonable to be one?

what experience do you have with them?

if you don't mind...

I believe that they are rigid and unreasonable and that they are trying to apply a lot of outdated principles to today's world that are not feasible

And they are too extreme. And in some cases intolerant.

I have met a couple and come across some of their videos. I am not encouraged by their approach at all

That's why I am surprised that your Imes thing is a Salafist endeavour because you seem too amiable and open-minded for all that

IAmStrange:
Me taking over from another guy was metaphoric I was just playing games. That's a secret though. don't tell anyone

I mean I was taking over from the other moniker - my former self. Do you understand now? I've deleted that other moniker.

It only sounds like Ahmadiyyah. It's different from it.

Ahmadiyyah is a deviant sect that claims the Mahdi has arrived and other heresies. Imes is coming not to reform Islam, but to reform the Muslims and the Muslim world. Imes is coming to guide people to the true Islam as practised by the Salaf (predecessors); the true Islam many Muslims including Ahmadiyyah have deviated from today and together with Imes, the Muslim world shall rise into greater ranks of glory!

I hope you understand now?

You sound far too reasonable and even-minded to be a Salafist. Don't you think you'd better leave the Imes stuff and just do the normal Muslim activism?

Ahmadiyya are better at relating with non-Muslims than most Islamic sects. Their behavior is very good

I hope they're not too deviant sha