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Aemmyjah:
Keep fooling around
Whether you go school or you no go school
Jehovah is using all of us to accomplish his will
Ur ministry is to be dancing on the street to a song and be dishing out flyers
Papa does not preach Bible
Money is his ministry

Aemmyjah:
What concerns me with Russell?
Can your Papa speak Hebrew
Or is it speaking gibberish he call speaking of tongues
Or I should mention his controversies
Slapping a small girl and calling her witch

Aemmyjah:
They don't forbid education
Your leaders read on wealth and scamming members
Jesus and his disciples accomplishment is on preaching and making disciples
Yours is on building university that only few can afford
We don't need PhD to accomplish God's will
Our Bibles, books, magazines and website is the most translated. What has Papa done regarding translation of Bible or Bible based books than to sell them along with stickers, Goya oil that he mislead people calling it holy spirit. (Holy spirit inside bottle)

Your Papa is consistent on preaching money and tithe and prosperity . That is the only thing he knows... He even have mind to say that Job was attacked cos he did not pay tithe... What a shame

Aemmyjah:
What concerns me if he were charged to court?
What has his ignorance for Hebrew and Greek language got to do with me, with this thread or wit the fact that Papa has failed to convince you about creation?

Aemmyjah:
Read especially the highlighted part

Maynman, this can add to your knowledge 😉. Can u dispute the writeup on prophecy?
LordReed, can you dispute the fact?
Jaephoenix, even with your two eyes, you won't see
Or is the writeup a lie especially on the successive worldpower and what was written beforehand about them and what they will do and who they will overtake

MightySparrow, read this too and add to your knowledge. Papa won't teach you this. Not ever

Emusan:
That's to those who don't know scripture indepth.



Very correct.



It's more lies to cover another lies.



Search for their brochure titled "Should you believe in Trinity?" full of lies and misrepresented the teachings of the early Christians on Trinity.

Not only that, it even contains the quote of Atheists just to mislead their followers.

So after much outcry from the public, the brochure had to be withdrawn from their library to their achieve.

To show you how shameless they are like their online robot. Bruce M. Metzger had to personally write a letter to WTBS to stop using his works because they always misrepresented and twisted his words.



The funny thing about 1914 is that

1. It's not even JWs idea in the first place, it's what Russell borrowed from his former church SDA

2. No Bible verse supported it, reason why if you asked them till thy kingdom comes. No single verse will be provided.

3. Watchtower will use the word of scientists & archeologists but asked them how many archeologists support the date they used to arrive at 1914? None!

All archeologists evidences show that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586BC but WATCHTOWER still claiming it happened in 607BC without a single evidence.



That's their way.



Another fantastic website is HERE



True! As other verses can be used to support Trinity.



I know them and their tactics very well, so I know where to hold them down.

You're welcome sir!

Emusan:
That's to those who don't know scripture indepth.



Very correct.



It's more lies to cover another lies.



Search for their brochure titled "Should you believe in Trinity?" full of lies and misrepresented the teachings of the early Christians on Trinity.

Not only that, it even contains the quote of Atheists just to mislead their followers.

So after much outcry from the public, the brochure had to be withdrawn from their library to their achieve.

To show you how shameless they are like their online robot. Bruce M. Metzger had to personally write a letter to WTBS to stop using his works because they always misrepresented and twisted his words.



The funny thing about 1914 is that

1. It's not even JWs idea in the first place, it's what Russell borrowed from his former church SDA

2. No Bible verse supported it, reason why if you asked them till thy kingdom comes. No single verse will be provided.

3. Watchtower will use the word of scientists & archeologists but asked them how many archeologists support the date they used to arrive at 1914? None!

All archeologists evidences show that Jerusalem was destroyed in 586BC but WATCHTOWER still claiming it happened in 607BC without a single evidence.



That's their way.



Another fantastic website is HERE



True! As other verses can be used to support Trinity.



I know them and their tactics very well, so I know where to hold them down.

You're welcome sir!

achorladey:
Evidence for the bold. One common thing with them when stuck in discussion, they will start reading word for words numerous publications like the revelation book, Isaiah's prophecy, Daniels prophecy even carry insights from the scriptures paapaa go to the householder place

TenQ:
Unfortunately,
The 419 Mohammed asked Muslims not to ask questions about what he claimed was from Allah!

The same thing he did when he received the Satanic Verses. If Mohammed had asked questions, please he would have known that God would never allow the intercession of idols.

Only God knows how much of the Qur'an was personally dictated by satan to Mohammed.

Remember that Mohammed said:
Satan commands him but only for good!

Bliss62:



Intresting

Yoruba to colonize Moon

Intresting


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TenQ:
Maybe he's a different Ajagbemokeferi.

Sheikh Adepoju is even less knowledgeable. When they ask him questions relating to Islam, can he hardly responds. He likes to bring Christians who are not knowledgeable in the scriptures to make a fool of their understanding before the Muslim ummah!

AntiChristian always quotes the website of this Muslim who calls himself a former pastor. (Bashir Lucas Samson Lukman)

I have searched everywhere, no one seems to know the church he pastored not where he did his seminary training. But he is there fooling Muslims about his knowledge.


If Allah and his prophet Muhammad could incorporate Jewish children bedtime stories of HOW king Solomon Died and for one whole year and no one discovered his death and Solomon's flying carpet and Solomons magic ring. You wonder who truly Allah is!

Courz:
Yes O. I thank Almighty God and Jesus everyday for delivering me out of that Cult. A Cult of delusion. The delusion became very obvious to me as soon as I started researching the religion. This is what Watchtower is afraid of. They are afraid of JWs waking up from the Delusion. What they are presently doing now is consistently warning JWs in their Watchtower to avoid people like us who have woken up and they also telling them to avoid listening to News concerning them. They are in the News For Child Sex Trafficking.

Courz:
You are right. Remember[b] I used to be one of them[/b]. Such a song with that Title exists. I know you are right. I am just shocked that a JW will stoop that low to use their Song Book, Not the Bible to prove a point. It shows that JWs are clueless people and have no basis for their beliefs.

Aemmyjah:
😂😂😂
You can't even give proof about creation as directly from God... Doing this is one way we praise God like David did in his Psalms
Papa has not given you anything to support a belief in God than to ask you to empty your pocket during religious services

Wetin concern our discussion with Charles Russell? Is he my father? Do I know or worship him? Do I pray to the God of my papa Russell? Do I hang his portrait in my house or office?

Lemme shock you... We now know more than Charles Russell know... Jesus has been refining us and he still continues to do so and we humble learn even if it requires changing an understanding of something... Papa has refined you, you are mixing evolution with Creation
Mind you, Russell did not use what he knew to enrich himself

TenQ:
I thought Àjàgbemokenferi claimed he became a Christian at a time. He said it was during the crusade of Reinhard Bonke at Ilorin. So, non of it was true it was all fabrication. If you heard this man's testimony of how he shot a charm to Evangelist Bonke on the stage to kill him to no avail till he was capture by God. He went about from church to church giving this testimony. Is his real name not Abdulganiyu ?



Islam succeed only through deception of both themselves and others.

I didn't hear that he became a Christian. I left Ibadan for a while,I think I heard about his death later.

Islam started with lies, nurtured by lies and sustained by lies. Whenever lies are not welcome, they resort to violence.

Islam came on the ladder of Judaism and Christianity only to remove the ladder after it became successful for Mohammed.

Courz:
Oh my goodness. I can't believe this. A JW brings out their song book to prove the Light getting brighter to you? Chai! JWs are finished!

I strongly believe that being a JW is a Humiliation Ritual which exists in the Occult.

ANormalHuman:
I think I should have said it this way:
JWs were the ones who always came to our houses to advertise their club and paint themselves as the most righteous with a unique thinking pattern unique and special delusion... And not the other way round.


I'm not even trying my best to say something bad about them. There are a lot of things I've heard about them that makes me respect them, and a lot of things that also makes me disdain them (not out of personal hatred but more like as a result of this picture they painted about themselves before I got a closer look).
Just like it pains me a lot whenever I see an iPhone malfunctioning after all the hype...

Yesterday I observed two instances on during a journey:

On my way going, I saw a man at a very busy spot in town. He was with a portable sound system and was preaching to people in the tight crowded busy vicinity while standing, I heard a few lines while passing and I know that those around (the place is filled with traders) will hear the full sermon, and it will sow a seed in their hearts, for good or for bad...

While returning, I saw two JWs in another less busy and less crowded spot, they were sitting under the shade of a bridge and I book-stand was in front of them, I suppose JW books, on the back there was a huge sticker, 'JW.org'.

Here's what I observed, two religious bodies did a kind of outreach, one was promoting their brand, the other one didn't.
One group waited expectantly for people to visit them, the other charged into the ears and minds of unsuspecting passerbys.
One group was all relaxed, the other was sweating to achieve a goal.
But in the end, the amount of effort displayed is evident in that instance... The only problem being that the group who put less effort in promoting their cause would likely accuse themselves of being more righteous than the man who put in more effort...
The people who were clearly out there advertising a brand will come hitting after this man who just wanted people to hear 'God's Words'...

A group that has a law which prevents them from questioning what the higher authorities say is equivalent to a cult.
If no one should question, but only accept what tye authorities say, then how do they judge what is true and what is not?

Many things to say about these people, but to what end?

MaxInDHouse:
Whoever feel Russell was a man of God should also believe that all existing religions claiming Christians are false except the one he belongs to!

MaxInDHouse:
Who cares what faithless miscreants say about the truth?
If you want to learn just calm down and reason not following faithless miscreants who has nothing tangible to offer.

Jesus taught his disciples several times that they must humbly take up lowliness {Matthew 5:5} but they always argue among themselves over who is the greatest! Mark 9:34; Luke 9:46

Jesus taught them that it's not possible now to eradicate poverty among them because as long as this system lasts they will always have poor ones amongst them {John 12:8} yet after their baptism of the holy spirit they tried to eradicate poverty by working towards equalizing {Act 4:34-35} only to loose a couple so they have to stop the exercise! Act 5:1-11

I can go on and on but let's stop at that!



JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES ORGANIZATION is the one and only group of imperfect humans doing God's will today!

That's what i am saying so if you have questions i'm ready to answer you!

achorladey:
What is making the disciples stumble perfect teachings from Jesus right?

What is making your GODS and you their subject stumble, imperfect teachings from Jesus Christ right?

ANormalHuman:
Young man don't make yourself sound more awkward than they paint you.

By the way, where exactly did the disciples fumble over Jesus' teachings?
Cos last I remember, they were trying to explain a topic in a new way entirely and it caused a debate (even though it was right). So which scriptures are you referring to?






I wonder if this statement is meant to explain why people are pointing out 'flaws' in your self-esteemed organization.
Cos last I remember, JWs were the ones who always came to our houses to advertise their club and paint themselves as the most righteous with a unique thinking pattern... And not the other way round.

By the way, people dig up truths about everything they find, from Catholic Churches to Hollywood to Space, JW is no exception and is not even a special case...
The only thing is that that it's kinda irritating to see you (in particular) so bold and prideful in your organization's swarm of delusions, just the same way it is irritating to see a child happily munching a muddy foam and feeling all bossy about it. again, nothing special.

MaxInDHouse:
You need to go back and STUDY how the disciples fumbled countless times over and over again until they were able to master Jesus' teachings.

We are talking about a perfect teacher and his imperfect students so if a perfect teacher say anything his imperfect students may stumble many times over their teachers teachings.

That's exactly what happened to the Bible students in the 20th century!

Aemmyjah:
Ur link led me to the search page sir

TenQ:
Thanks Bro!

Ahmed Deedat almost succeeded in converting me to a Muslim while I was school with his sarcastic tear-down of the bible and Christian doctrine.
I thank God I had the good sense to acquire a Qur'an and start reading before reciting the shahada. The Qur'an turned me back to Christ.

I would probably have by now swallowed the Deception of Allah and His Mohammed and be violently contending with Christians using the Spirit of Islam.

You can see how they have chosen to become silent.

Mohammed is a substitute for the Messiah : I pray God Himself open their eyes!

Aemmyjah:
🤔

TenQ:
I don't blame you at all.
As if you have any good response in the first place see.

You are praying to Mohammed as part of your Tashahhud!

Isn't Mohammed supposed to be dead?
Aren't you talking to him?
Wouldn't angels carry your prayers to him?







Muslims: Why do you Pray to Mohammed?
Do Muslims even have an idea of Why they Pray To Mohammed! ?

Five times a day, Muslims pray both to Mohammed and Allah. Yes, you got me right!
Five times a day when Muslims pray they do the Tashahhud.

The Tashahhud (Arabic: تَشَهُّد, meaning "testimony [of faith]", also known as at-Tahiyyat (Arabic: ٱلتَّحِيَّات), is the portion of the Muslim prayer where the person kneels or sits on the ground facing the qibla, glorifies God, and greets the messenger and the righteous people of God followed by the two testimonials.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashahhud

The Tashahhud (Translated) can be divided into four parts
1. Prayer to Allah
"Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "
2. Prayer to Mohammed
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you).
3. Declaration of Hope to the Muslim Ummah
Peace be upon us, and upon the righteous servants of Allah.
4. The Shahada: Statement of Faith
I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger."

My emphasis is on Part 2 of the Tashahhud
Just as in Part One, the recipient of the Prayer is Allah, in Part Two, the recipient of the Prayer is Mohammed. (O Mohammed! )
This assumes that Mohammed is ALIVE and can hear the Prayers of the Muslims. Peace be upon you, O Prophet!

In case you are wondering if Mohammed can accept prayers of Muslims, guess what here is a Hadith that proves it.

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047
Narrated Aws ibn Aws:
The Prophet said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.

Just as the Prayers of Muslims would be submitted to Allah, the Prayers of Muslims will also be submitted to Mohammed!


The Qur'an-Only Muslims correctly identify this Tashahhud as Making Mohammed a partner with Allah and thus a Shirk.
In one of their Publications, they report on innovations kafirs have brought into Islamic Prayers.


I hope I've been able to convince you that you Muslims pray to Mohammed (without thinking) five time daily as You recite your Tashahhud.
This is Idolatry :
How can you pray to both Mohammed and Allah at the same time and claim monotheism!?

Questions :
1. In what areas have I misrepresented Islam in the translation of the Tashahhud?
2. When you recite the Tashahhud, does Mohammed truly hear you?
3. Is it Halal to even pray to Mohammed?
4. Are the Qur'an-Only Muslims mistaken in their views?




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
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TenQ:
I don't blame you at all.
As if you have any good response in the first place see.

You are praying to Mohammed as part of your Tashahhud!

Isn't Mohammed supposed to be dead?
Aren't you talking to him?
Wouldn't angels carry your prayers to him?

Most Muslims lack knowledge. Thank God for the grace to research into their lies. I used to know the harassment of Ahmed Deedat and Àjàgbemokenferi in Ibadan those days. I knew so little about their lies.

You will not see them ( our friends on Nairaland) to refute all this.

More grace brother.



Muslims: Why do you Pray to Mohammed?
Do Muslims even have an idea of Why they Pray To Mohammed! ?

Five times a day, Muslims pray both to Mohammed and Allah. Yes, you got me right!
Five times a day when Muslims pray they do the Tashahhud.

The Tashahhud (Arabic: تَشَهُّد, meaning "testimony [of faith]", also known as at-Tahiyyat (Arabic: ٱلتَّحِيَّات), is the portion of the Muslim prayer where the person kneels or sits on the ground facing the qibla, glorifies God, and greets the messenger and the righteous people of God followed by the two testimonials.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tashahhud

The Tashahhud (Translated) can be divided into four parts
1. Prayer to Allah
"Greetings to Allah, and prayers, and pure things (are for Allah). "
2. Prayer to Mohammed
Peace be upon you, O Prophet, and the mercy of Allah and His blessings (are on you).
3. Declaration of Hope to the Muslim Ummah
Peace be upon us, and upon the righteous servants of Allah.
4. The Shahada: Statement of Faith
I bear witness that there is no god but Allah, and I bear witness that Muhammad is His servant and Messenger."

My emphasis is on Part 2 of the Tashahhud
Just as in Part One, the recipient of the Prayer is Allah, in Part Two, the recipient of the Prayer is Mohammed. (O Mohammed! )
This assumes that Mohammed is ALIVE and can hear the Prayers of the Muslims. Peace be upon you, O Prophet!

In case you are wondering if Mohammed can accept prayers of Muslims, guess what here is a Hadith that proves it.

Sunan Abi Dawud 1047
Narrated Aws ibn Aws:
The Prophet said: Among the most excellent of your days is Friday; on it Adam was created, on it he died, on it the last trumpet will be blown, and on it the shout will be made, so invoke more blessings on me that day, for your blessings will be submitted to me. The people asked: Messenger of Allah, how can it be that our blessings will be submitted to you while your body is decayed? He replied: Allah, the Exalted, has prohibited the earth from consuming the bodies of Prophets.

Just as the Prayers of Muslims would be submitted to Allah, the Prayers of Muslims will also be submitted to Mohammed!


The Qur'an-Only Muslims correctly identify this Tashahhud as Making Mohammed a partner with Allah and thus a Shirk.
In one of their Publications, they report on innovations kafirs have brought into Islamic Prayers.


I hope I've been able to convince you that you Muslims pray to Mohammed (without thinking) five time daily as You recite your Tashahhud.
This is Idolatry :
How can you pray to both Mohammed and Allah at the same time and claim monotheism!?

Questions :
1. In what areas have I misrepresented Islam in the translation of the Tashahhud?
2. When you recite the Tashahhud, does Mohammed truly hear you?
3. Is it Halal to even pray to Mohammed?
4. Are the Qur'an-Only Muslims mistaken in their views?




Please let's make the answers short, direct and precise
Cc:
All my Friends on Nairaland:
LegalWolf Vanessa7 AntiChristian Empiree, Rash4ductluv, BabaHeekmat, aekymbahd, motayoayinde, drlateef, Thatfairguy1, MrCodeSolo , Hisbah21, atsleepboy1 , Lordmoh , OBALOLA55, x123xlolls , Lukuluku69 , mhmsadyq, Ibsaq , Herkeym001 , Sulasa07 , hakeemhakeem , abduljabbar4 ,olaalekan ,Friend22 , uthlaw , Exc2000 , AbuTwins ,Akhirastriver ,Akinbahm , Sino , KayB , youngdroly , jaggabban , ukeleh , Realismailakabir , Bami8064 Greatgr , Gaskiyamagana , compton11, Alfarouq , MrCodeSolo Satmaniac saintHot, drlateef, Donkmore Akinbahm , IMEI , FATHAT , talk2hb1 , iamrealdeji , Encyclopedia1 , SWATMan rolams aheeqilmaktoom , Bintdawood , Flanker , Raheeqilmaktoom , rolams ,honesttalk21 , Negroid001 , Nvestor02 , Coolsat, iamrealdeji madridguy Almunjid MohammadSAW , STRI1 Explore2xmore satmaniac Ohyoudidnt , 4islam ThatFairGuy1 BroOptimist. Bakrabas. Musa95 Ibrahimlagosian Explore2xmore
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Aemmyjah:


Lemme ask you?
How did life originate

A direct creation from God or by evolution?
You can't mix both

Aemmyjah:
Is that what Papa told you? Or your science teachers?

Evolution and Creation are 2 parallel lines that can never meet
You want to marry both

Aemmyjah:
On the highlighted
You call yourself a Christian and you're mentioning evolution?
You have a very long way to go