nemesis2u: Israeli system( Airborne Robotic Weapon System) did not know about that, will look it up later
dont know much about Mwari personally, but Paramount will obviously find a way to implement desired changes if they deem so.
lets say
MikeCZA needs MORE DAKKA!! only with Sensor ball, Counter measures, a gatling gun, hard points to carry fuel tanks, bombs, gun pods, missiles, rockets etc. MikeCZA is a super rich dude (in context of being available to afford everything)
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nemesis2u needs MORE DAKKA!! only with EO pod , a high caliber 20+ mm dual feed autocannon and turret combi with a 360 degree horizontal X 180 degree vertical freedom of movement and fuel tanks.
nemesis2u is a self sufficient middle class dude (in context of being able to utilize efficiently what can be afforded)
"The Rhodesians were applying lessons and tactics learned/used by the Portuguese in Angola. I'll share a paper on special forces if I find it from the Portuguese in Angola, Rhodesians and later Safers."
ur welcome
note :in real life i am lower middle class dont know about MikeCZA u gotta ask him
The CzReccon COIN aircraft! I'll be going into production soon.
Here's my take: A top secret special forces unit with the real spear of destiny in their possession were seating on the fence between capture and being killed to stop the spear from falling into the wrong hands of a rorret organization the MOAB was used as part of the FPF.
I know some of you will say there are more chances of seeing a unicorn than this happening.
i read u the whole Lliad , and u still ask me who helen was
the point being , did u yourself read the link u provided or grasp the significance of what i proposed and the effort of the rhodnesians towards the same (of course limited by meager options available to them )
let me quote some text to jog ur memory
"Under Rhodesian conditions, when loaded with troops, the Alouette would fly at 65 knots (or 75 mph) and, with a light load, at 84 knots (or 97 mph). At 84 knots, its range was 242 miles (210 nautical miles). The Alouette III SA316B 'K-Car' gunship, armed with a 20mm cannon and ammunition, and a crew of three, would have an endurance of an hour and a quarter to an hour and a half when loaded with 600 lbs of fuel."
"In February 1974 a dedicated Alouette III gunship, the K-Car, was ready for trials. Its rear seats had been replaced with an armoured seat for the gunner positioned to fire a Matra MG 151 20mm cannon out of the rear port doorway. The cannon was mounted on a French manufactured special floor fitting to cater for its weight and recoil."
"To solve the problem of soft ground and trees, other guns were tried. Twin Browning .5-inch heavy machine-guns were fitted but were abandoned because of their weight and because the .5 bullet was not a cannon shell so a direct hit had to be scored to kill or wound, which could be achieved with the lighter .303 round. Later, 1979, some K-Cars were equipped with four Mk 2 .303 Browning machine-guns, which were slaved to a remote hand operated sighting and hydraulic driver system code-named of 'Kat-oog' [Cat's eye]. Out of this project would come a highly successful helmet sight."
"The four-gun fit was mostly used in the role of a second K-Car. The Dalmatian K-Cars achieved devastating results in 1979, flying at tree top height and, with .303 ammunition freely available and with each gun firing at a cyclic rate of 1,150 rounds a minute. The Dalmatian K-Cars were used to drive the enemy into the open where they became targets for the 20mm."
"The arming of the G-Car went back to September-October 1965 when investigations began into the feasibility of mounting the FN 7.62mm MAG. This was done and the weapon was evaluated in early November. Modifications to the standard Army weapon were minimal. The bipod and the wooden butt were removed. The rear buffer spring housing was padded and a short wooden handle projecting to the left of the weapon was added. The normal aperture sight was retained. The results of the trials were not spectacular. Modifications to the sighting system progressed to a wire ring and bead sight to the GM2 Reflector Gunsight, and finally to the Collimateur Lightweight Reflector Sight which was used thereafter. The MAG mounting progressed from a simple post to a fitting which accommodated the spent cartridge cases and ammunition belts and which limited the weapon's travel to prevent accidental damage to the aircraft. The weapon was fitted with a padded chest plate and twin handgrips to improve the handling and steadiness of aim."
"Because the drag on the belts reduced the cyclic rate of fire of the MAGs to 400 rounds a minute, the Rhodesian G-Cars were re-armed with the faster firing Mk2 .303 Brownings on twin mountings in 1976. The G-Cars carried 500 rounds per gun. When the South African Pumas were deployed, they were armed with twin side-firing .5 or .303 inch Brownings. "
etc
now tell me rhodesians with their limited resources put so much time and effort for what, trying to integrate cannons and higher caliber MGs?
i have done the same, but mine provides a better , more compact, easy to use , precise and effective solution, a integrated solution with unmatched capabilities contrary to fixed, limited firing arc MGs/cannons (either on the doorways or pylons)
as i said to to kikuyu1, other normal variants armed with bombs and rockets will also accompany my version in fire support role as per operational needs , something which the Rhodesians also did .
As you lack funds you approach me then we put rockets and bombs on that baby! MORE DAKKA!
Anyway! There's an Israeli system( Airborne Robotic Weapon System) for helicopters which is carried inside a utility helicopter it deploys a gatling gun when needed under the belly of the helicopter. The gun can traverse 360 degrees.
Say you take the Robotic Weapon System without the robotic arm and mount it on the belly of the Paramount's Mwari which has a remove-able belly pod.
Here you have system with a: Sensor ball, Counter measures, a gatling gun, hard points to carry fuel tanks, bombs, gun pods, missiles, rockets etc. MORE DAKKA!!
Now we call sell this system like hot cakes!
The Rhodesians were applying lessons and tactics learned/used by the Portuguese in Angola. I'll share a paper on special forces if I find it from the Portuguese in Angola, Rhodesians and later Safers.
nemesis2u: thanks for the link, a really interesting read
infact after the hasty quick read i recognized a tactic we use/used to get the terrorists hiding in forests/hill , surprisingly the Rhodesian used it previously , who knows maybe they inspired it or maybe not.
lets say early morning is a good time to catch some fish
damn the RRAF heli pilots had iron nerves , Americans gave substance to the word air cavalry , but these fellows sort of ripped it apart and wrote their own rules .
nemesis2u: i can assure u no Rhodesian inspiration , but if u still consider it to be so , i would consider it as an honor , Rhodesian politically were on the wrong side but their military prowess / exploits r legendary.
FYI for any worthy ************ Rhodesian ops etc r always part of study
anyways what i wrote is based indirectly on a study which is officially under wraps. (something to do with economics of war) no money no war u run out of money u lose war
any ways did u read my post completely ? or get to what i was aiming for ?
i proposed a cost effective precision kill platform not a fire support platform.
i was seeking to address
1.economics of scale (spend the least amount per terrorists killed) for the said weapon system
2.EFFECTS BASED approach that is use minimum force via precision kill rather than rely on overwhelming power which leads to high costs, slowdown in operational tempo, ties down valuable resources, wastes valuable time etc
3.the OODA LOOP where a single weapon system can be much easily integrated into the loop with regard to the said carrier platform without much hassle and maximum efficiency.
4.targets (terrorists/technicals) in concern and optimal and cheapest weapons to deal with same. u must be aware that the kinetic effect of a high velocity HE 20mm round or any higher caliber precisely striking its target will achieve the same effect in comparison to that of say a 100lb or a 250 lb guided bomb bursting 50m away from the target (most guided bombs have CEP around 50 or so) so using a 50,000-100,000 $ bomb versus a a few rounds costing 50$ each , does it make sense?
5.again if u have to eliminate 10 or more technicals who r widely dispersed , do u think bombs/rocket loadout of a turboprop will be sufficient, u need to have specialized laser designation pods plus the bombs will need to have the capability to hit moving targets, otherwise ur kill ratio will be poor vis a vis the cost incurred. but if u have the turret gun combo precision kill system ur not restricted by load out or lack of precision.
6.a turboprop with bombs and rockets will need to strafe its targets which has its disadvantages which i mentioned in my previous post , but with my 360 degree horizontal x 180 degree vertical freedom of movement turret gun combo precision kill system , the aircraft need not engage in any strafing runs or any combat maneuver , all it needs is to hold the optimal altitude and keep circling the designated target area ie i have proposed a loitering weapon system which is advantageous to kill mobile and dispersed targets. plus it will be able to fire at its targets for far longer than in a conventional strafing attack.
come on now , i am thinking it would have been best to post pics of chicks instead of this
a new out of the loop idea or a repacked/innovative old idea always brings in doubt/naysayers , but then south africans / Rhodesian were masters of these out of the box thinking/ideas in the first place, for out of the box trying situations.
nemesis2u: u know i had a terrorist fuuking solution
what the countries fighting highly mobile terrorist scums, needs today is a low cost albeit innovation out of the box solution.
traditional thinking will only play into the hands of the terrorists.
the greatest casualty of war against terrorism is not the men/women but the economy of a country. terrorism is a long draw game , and the fuukers know it. as the costs rise countries r forced to negotiate one way or the other.
even if u a have a good turboprop , these come with highly expensive munitions and rockets, the foreign OEMs parade them as a means to earn ur hard earned money citing their efficiency, even though they themselves know that most of these r overkill's and outrageously expensive.
why should u pay pay more than a 1 dollar for sending a fuuking terrorist to hell , he does not even deserve 1 dollar to be spend on him.
my inspiration is the wart hog A-10
but we r going to be innovative ,
what i am proposing is a good high endurance turboprop , which good flight handling qualities and enough mass to absorb recoil among others.
now we take a turret ( 360 degree traversing) and fix it below the fuselage at the center-point. the aircraft fuselage will need to be be modified at the attachment points of the turret with necessary recoil dampers and such.
fix a dual feed 20mm caliber auto-cannon or even higher calibers if possible to the turret (within the limitations of the aircraft) which will pivot 180 degree in the vertical plane (imagine it in the minus Y axis)
fix a EO pod to the nose of the turboprop and slave it to the gun
for greatest efficiency a 2 seater will be best, the pilot , copilot/gunner will receive the same feed from the EO pod
the pilot will concentrate on flying above the reach of the ground based guns and circle the target area while the gunner will use the EO pod to scan for target , once located he will free the gun which will automatically aim/fix for the target as it is slaved to the EO POD , and will have the necessary ballistic calculations done simultaneously to achieve near 100 kill probability.
crucial role will be paid by the ammo selection , what i propose is one feeder with HE incendiary rounds with 1 tracer after every 5 rounds and the 2nd feeder with air burst type sub-munition releasing a cloud of tungsten cubes (much like AHEAD rounds but without the programmable fuze , it will come with ground proximity fuze) with 1 tracer round after every 5 rounds.
the beauty of this solution is that the aircraft will rarely loose the target since the turret is 360 degree rotating and the gun is pivoting 180 degrees vertically, any change in direction by the aircraft will be compensated by the counter rotation of the turret and pivoting of the gun, which means the gunner will always be able to maintain lock on his target/targets and keeping on engaging them a long as they r in range undeterred by the what the aircraft is doing in flight.
additionally 2 EO pods can be fitted , one for the pilot to help him search and locate targets and another slaved to the turret ( or installed on the turret itself).
and target selected by the pilot could be automatically feed to the turret EO pod , once the gunner finishes his current target he gets the location of his next target updated automatically. on the pylons the turboprop will carry only the fuels tanks to maximize loiter time / endurance , and the addition weight saved will be used to carry extra ammo for the dual feed auto cannons.
turboprops firing PGMs is very expensive proposition
even dump rockets r not so accurate
if there r 10 technicals running about, do u think PGMs / rockets will the best option both economically and from the point of kill probability. fixed guns/autocannons r available for turboprops but they require skilled and experienced pilots to conduct strafing runs, once u climb up u loose the targets (if u missed them) , also dives for strafing runs requires u to get in line with the target and lower ur altitude and which also reduces reaction time considerably , this jeopardizes safety, hampers situational awareness and decreases kill probability .
for my solution even if there r 10 technicals running about the aircraft simply needs to maintain the appropriate constant altitude while doing the necessary maneuvers like circling over the general target area, while the gunner with the 360 degree traversing turret together with the vertically 180 degree pivoting (downwards) gun will have all the necessary freedom of movement to maintain lock and engage his targets one by one.
also no technicals will be able to resist hit of a HE round 20mm onwards.
also groups of terrorists will be put down much more effectively by clouds of sub-munition from air burst rounds
or a combination of the 2 types.
so i give u ( theoretically ) a turboprop inspired from A10 warthog but without the fixed gun, but replaced by a gun system with 360 degree horizontal x 180 degree vertical freedom of movement to allow persistent, accurate and low cost target elimination.
no need to bother about expensive PGMs and even rockets, dumb or guided
i hope u all got the idea is it good or wasted like the porn babes ?
No bombs? Nemesis? Worst fire support platform.
Looks like someone has been reading Rhodesian stuff.
GreenandGold: Yeah, I remember how these would "swim to South Africa" alongside with Otoka Cobras and take our beautiful girls and swim back to Lagos. Aubububu was unbelievable.
Fidha254: What experts are those, from where the countries that already have them are making new orders... They come with additional bolted amour around the cockpit, plus the bulletproof windshield....
Why would you need ejection seats anyway, at that speed and the way the windows/doors are build, you can just pull your safety belt roll over and you out of the plane, Like a gangster!!!!
besides, in our situation, Alshabaab doesn't poses much of an aerial threat, most of their AA guns they used to posses were taken out by our f-5s during the initial campaign............. look at our MD-500s, they are much slower,and they dont offer any kind of protection for the pilot, have you ever heard any of them bieng taken out by alshabaab
By expat I meant "expatriate" by that I meant a contractor by that I meant mercenary.
Fix wing aircraft aren't like helicopters which have seats designed for crushes. If you crush in a light aircraft mother Africa will swallow you.
To this day it is a mystery where the Congolese acquired these, or how many they have. The vehicles are a mix of Cascavel Mk 1 and Mk 2s and were not operated by the old Zairean armed forces.
Some sources say these were donated by Libya or Zimbabwe. However, I have heard a rumour which states they were actually purchased from Israel in the mid 2000s sometime, supposedly from the same company that upgraded the AML-90s for Kenya.
Nobody really knows. They have never been sighted on operations, only in FARDC parades and even then one or two at a time.
Well equipped and trained units are kept in Kinshasa.
In 2012 the units deployed in the east were kicked it was only later when they really wanted to deal with the M23 that they deployed bright commanders and well trained units in 2013.
Odunayaw: didn't know of this you mind enlightening me?
Dem SAAF dem position for dem meeting dem Zuma having with dem Central African region countries post dem bangui battle.
After the battle of bangui the SANDF positioned forces and assets in countries around CAR in the case they were ordered to take back the city after the meeting Zuma had with regional leaders.
Gripens and Rooivalks were part of the assets deployed. Note: This was the first time South Africa deployed it's fighters outside boarders for a possible combat mission since the 80s.
Henry240: Offence intended. The Nigerian Air Force deployed according to mission requirements.
We don't have generals who don't think in-charge of mission deployments unlike the SAAF posing with planes on a tarmac in South Africa.
What does the SAAF know about mission deployments anyway, not like bragging about using your half-french helicopters to attack thugs looking for UN food counts as one.
Again I ask you to provide evidence of any air force capable of deploying numbers like those seen in the pictures I provided.
None taken.
When it comes to doctrine development SAAF is still up there. Note: Research and development companies and organizations such as the CSIR are utilised to help developed tactics for platforms.
Again no African sub Saharan African country has such capabilities.
The Nigerian armed forces have forces deployed inside Nigerian in a fight against BH. Again the argument that they are deployed inside South Africa is null.
Typical Augubugubu tactics resorting to trolling and insul..ts at the prospect of engaging in a discussion filled with facts.
That's all you can come up with, Nigerian Aircrafts are only seen on deployments.
Strategizing for the mission 5,000km away from home base. That's how we roll, not at some airshow in Nigeria.
Those chaps are no strategists the real people whom handle the strategy are sitting in Abuja.
This picture was taken from a deployment during the Gambia crisis. Again nothing similar to these two pictures!
Can you provide evidence of any air force capable of deploying numbers like these?
Cause what we of the Nigerian air force is it deploying old LEAD-IN fighter trainers with limited air to air and air to ground capabilities(reccon, surveillance, attack, patrol etc).
Henry240: Pilots aren't kept there because you don't have them.
Austerity measures = you don't have money for fuel. No more to train pilots, and no money to fly the planes, well apart from an airshow .
Nigerian Air Force.
Deploying numbers like that for a photoshoot. That's were they are potent, taking pictures.
Yes, no other Air Force can take better photos than the SAAF. However the Nigerian Air Force is capable of deploying thousands of kilometres away from home, while conducting operations in the North-East and patrol ops in the gulf of guinea.
This is an actual Air Force.
Not all Gripen qualified pilots are at the squadron operating the aircraft.
An example: the first black Gripen pilot in the SA Air Force (SAAF) and a former 2 Squadron Officer Commanding, will next month assume his first base command when he becomes Officer Commanding AFB Overberg.
The pictures were taken during a deployment of the aircraft. Again the number of airframes Nigeria deploys is small. And the type of aircraft is isnt fighter jets but LEAD-IN fighter trainers. That can't be compared to the numbers in these picture.
Henry240: We are talking about the inability of the SAAF to raise any decent number of Gripen pilots in 18 years.
Your Air Force constantly has to beg SAA for pilots.
The number of planes was as a result of the fact the SAAF Gripens were mothballed before a public out cry.
Your flight time is low, the force still finds it difficult to buy fuel for an aircraft that is supposedly cheap to fly.
The SAAF us a complete embarrassment.
Pilots aren't kept with the squadron which operates the Gripens.
Austerity measures means the Gripens are rotated.
Let's now address the issue of flight hours you are they are low but what air force in Africa are comparing them with?
Embarrassment? Not necessarily when the air force is still capable of deploying numbers like these: Note no other air force in sub Saharan Africa can! if you dispute this name one.
Henry240: No dipsh1t, I'm directly quoting SAAB. Only problem is, there virtually exists no South-African smart enough to fly the Gripen, hence you are stuck with 9 pilots.
What's the point of sitting with 26 planes when you only have pilots for 9 if them. Damn, 18 solid years to train 9 pilots. That's very shameful.
NAF has more combat sorties or any type of sortie than all Air Forces south of the Sahara.
We also have a massive pool of pilots to choose from, including modern assets they fly. Why should I be ashamed of that?
The SAAF continues to prove it is a completely worthless force, with no pool of qualified individuals to pick from.
Go masturbate with an SAAF Gripen picture, while real combat pilots in Nigeria fly real combat missions all across Africa.
R3tard!
No squadron is fully manned at peacetime even in wartime.
The number of planes allows the air force to deploy, safe guard, train and maintain airframes simultaneously.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Technical Discussions On International Military Equipments Doctrines Tactics Etc by MikeCZA: 6:48pm On Apr 14, 2017
the countries that already have them are making new orders... They come with additional bolted amour around the cockpit, plus the bulletproof windshield....