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Patchesagain:
Well...

look at this way:

If Isreal lets the Umkhonto go through... then we know its a sh1t system

Them banning it would be a badge of honor and excellent for marketing.

We talk to them in the background remember?

There's no doubt about the capabilities of the missile.

nemesis2u:
yes

by the way IMO reduction of threat/threat perception has stunted to some extent the south african defence industry.

south african arms industry specifically its exploits/innovation in land warfare system was part of our curriculum.
mention must be made of the Rhodesian's input.

Yup.

Not much is mentioned of the Rhodesians even in the development of HMDs.

nemesis2u:
it was developed by south africa and the company involved was denel.

this was developed for use with the south african Atlas Cheetah the derivative of mirage iii.

this was later sold to a particular foreign country (as the south african mirage / derivatives were retired ) who uses it now , given that nations mirage iii aircraft's were already qualified to carry/fire the ALCM.

this was possible because the ALCM mechanical and electrical interfaces are specific to the mirage iii aircraft's only.

There was no funding for these projects. Similar to the Small guided missile they proposed.

The Cheetahs were retired later in 2008.

giles14:
Nigeria military pix of late is becoming too scarce.

Because the Nigerian military kidnapped Bidexxi.

giles14:
really ashamed of Russia n its military.
China would have done a better job.

instead of Iran wasting its missiles in the name of drills let it deploy them to Syria.and form an air defence bubble. even its F14 are needed there.

Why should they?

Remember Isr...ael owes it's existence to the support of the US.

LOL!

nemesis2u:
it is not about different cultures,
it is more like 2 idiots not being able to communicate properly

why u meant by industrialization i cant comprehend,

but what i meant my productionization is , when a weapon is in prototype stage its components r manufactured in laboratories, but when the weapon moves on to productionization stage , its components r qualified for production with corresponding toolings at industrial level


inert /dummy warhead

Goes to industrial level after reaching product base line or the production standard prototype.

Then tools(factory) for manufacturing the product are then put in the place. That's what I meant by industrialization.

1. Pic: UAE RG-35 multi purpose fighting vehicle in Yemen with it's cover on the front wheel section knocked off plus signs small arms fire damage.

frumentius:
I wonder who the client is. Will have to wait for the next NCACC quarterly report.


http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=47146:truvelo-delivers-single-largest-rifle-order&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

Close quarters combat with a sniper rifle!!! Bad a..se.

UAE, Iraq or the Saudis.

nemesis2u:
did not understand what u meant

plz clarify "Then if the missile has passed it's development stage?"

when a missile clears its test it goes to production stage from the prototype stage

Different question then: What do those strips say about the missile's warhead?

Not industrialization then production? Different parts of the world! different cultures! Many ways to kill a cat.

nemesis2u:
IMO it signifies that the missile is a prototype /evaluation/test version

Then if the missile has passed it's development stage?

nemesis2u:
Lockheed CUDA - SACM

can anybody guess what those dots at the front fuselage signify ?





and now everybody in the thread will do a cyber ninja disappearance act

Proximity fuse.


A question to you what do the blue strips in the front section of the missile signify?

ActivateKruger:
Where is it operational? Definitely not around the Mozambican/Swazi/SA borders. It's a freeway of illegal crossings - its like the border doesn't exist.

Unknown.

But operational with these guys. Scout!

jakeporeshenko:
Throwback, 19 squadron SAAF apparently this was during a raid on Mapai 6th September 1979. What a beautiful picture by the way, who cares about all this 4K crap flying around these days

Pumas.

Supporting the Rhodesians.

ActivateKruger:
The Swazis like all our neighbors don't corporate well with the South African security agencies. The Swazi police and military know where the dagga is planted and even know who traffics it to South Africa. They'll be like "as long as you don't sell it in Swaziland"... Same goes with Mozambique and it's rhino poachers.

Collection.

ActivateKruger:
Border patrol is literally useless if you ask me.... In areas around the SA/Swaziland border, traffickers literally ask the locals (on the Swazi side) if they have seen the South African troops, the locals would literally let them know if a Samil or military patrol bakkie passed by and when and even tell them they'll come back (because they have studied the routine).

The best solution is to go high-tech, stage visible sensor and CCTV towers then couple them with follow-up drones... Just the sight of those towers alone act as a repellant.

Intelligence.

jakeporeshenko:
Lest we forget, textbook takedow.
I don't think any lives were lost in this operation (Restore Democracy).

Textbook you say?

Lack of spirit.

africaken254:
still countries have to prove they able to protect their territory from invades what ever the cost,if we don't aspire to do the unachievable our enemies will assume are weak

Not necessarily.

State on state? No leader would wish for that.

[quote author=africaken254 post=54496261][/quote]Most countries can do this. But stuff like boarder patrol needs to be sustained and sustaining high numbers is expensive.

jakeporeshenko:
HMS queen Elizabeth, maybe in another 40+ years this boat will get decommissioned and sold to the Indian navy just like INS Viraat .... just kidding

nemesis2u:
x

a they found you.

Patchesagain:
RG-35 showing the beating it can take

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gT3IndWXYs

Ballistic protection is up to STANAG4569 A Level 4. Able to absorb those rounds. Great family of vehicles.

Would make a great vehicle to replace the Casspir with. Different design approach.

The engine moved to the side of the vehicle to create more space. Better Ratel.

frumentius:
Ze Germans have arrived.

No half measures for these guys. 5 x AN-124 delivering cargo to TFDC at AFB Overberg. This Airbus MRTT came in with 4 x Tornados who peeled off the wing at Overberg.

Pics: Courtesy of http://www.saairforce.co.za/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2507&p=113927#p113927

Ze Deutsches Heer vas "apparently" interested in using one of ze army's training grounds for what what training.

frumentius:
"Damage to government property!"

No marksmen badge? well damage to government property.

Henry240:
I don't know if I'm supposed to repeat myself at every turn.

SOF does not exist. As the term SOF is the exact same thing as SF.

Because you have received additional training in some sort of speciality does not necessarily make you an SOF. You're just a more mobile infantry or a Quick Reaction Unit.

Your MRS is nothing more than a Naval Infantry. If this was the case, every Naval infantryman in the Nigerian navy would be referred to as some special super duper soldier.

Again doctrine! Nigerian military doctrine might class or group them as SF.

Composite tactical force tailored mostly to support service arms in ops.

It is during a raid if the mission demands high number of boots SF people will be supplemented with paratroopers. At times within parachute units there units who work closely with the SF mainly to support.

7 medical battalion has SF(qualified) people but they are not labelled as that. During deployments there's normally one helicopter fitted for their needs. They can go deep with the SF providing "health services".

nemesis2u:
it is kind of debatable if we were to factor in the time period

ancient evidences refer to usage of specialized units for special purposes other than conventional warfare

i have come across references in china india japan European countries etc

infact there r references to dedicated psy ops units in ancient times.

British WW2 'behind the enemy line' forces were not termed as SF but were rather referred to as 'commandos'

musing a little here

personally i was involved in a sister organization which was handed the task to research into over 1000 + year old ancient war fighting strategies , formations, techniques involved in logistics etc etc.

one unique thing which caught our eyes was that in the manuscripts we went through we came across descriptions of special 'shoes' which were designed to increase endurance of foot soldiers encumbered with heavy loads not thinkable even with the fittest modern soldiers. hell! 3 soldiers would barely get the job done.

based on the info which we could decipher we tried to replicate , but were only partially successful , that was 3 years ago , i left for different company/org so dont know what happened . compartmentalization is implemented very strictly so chance r slim that i would ever get to know about it.

PS : the military formations used in ancient time as described in the manuscripts were found to be better/efficient than some of those used in the modern times , lets say these were implemented to good effect with necessary modifications and validated in war room gaming simulations and later corps level military exercises .

old is gold after all

"Some" SF units are grouped into "commandos".

Henry240:
Naval infantry for your MRS. I don't know the job roles or training of the others.

Military intelligence is not SF.

Like I've stated countless times, there is nothing like SOF and SF. There is just SF. Those titles are used interchangeably to mean the same thing.

There are units supporting SF units in certain ops with personnel whom have passed the SF selection course but didn't continue the training cycle.

Special operations forces are mostly used for the supporting other units during ops. Not all members of such units are equally trained. Just like SA military health service's 7 medical battalion some of it's members are not SF qualified.

Henry240:
There is nothing like SOF and SF, they are all the same thing. Stop confusing yourself.

An SF unit can be deployed in direct and indirect action roles. As the mission demands they deploy.

Tons of examples abound, the Nigerian navy SBS conduct direct action, indirect action and Recon. Air Force Regiment the same thing, including Forward Air Control. AFSF also conduct the same types of raids.

In Syria we see Russian SSO conduct direct action and indirect action in that battle space, same thing for the French in Mali, Direct and Indirect. US navy seals in both Iraq and Syria. We've seen that in Manbij, Mosul etc etc. We've also seen the same thing play with the Turk's in Al-bab and elsewhere in Syria. In this battles we've seen Special Forces deploy vehicles from Pick-up trucks to Striker IFVs, and anything in-between, that's Tigr LAV, Jankel SPV, M-ATV and the likes. From the photos seen, only the British in Syria and the French in Mali have used SPVs.

The Russians in Syria deploy in Tigr and Pick-up trucks, the Americans deploy in Pick-up trucks, M-ATV and Striker IFVs.

So, LTGEN is also right, in those scenarios where it is mostly going to be direct action raids, SPVs arent the sort of vehicles to deploy.

In Nigeria, Special Forces deploy in MRAPs or Pick-up trucks. Special forces vehicles like the Honker are used only as base defence vehicles by NAF Regiment.

There is SF and SOF.

The usage of SF units in the middle east doesn't necessarily define how they should be deployed.

Your SF are still learning they will vehicles like the Hornet in the future.

Ops are intelligence driven if armour is required then SF people will bring armoured vehicles or whatever they need to get the job done.

South Africa is one of the first countries to deploy the so called "MRAPS" by Americans. If these vehicles were good for the SF's airborne, raiding, reccon etc needs don't you think SASFB would have picked 'MRAPS' for the roles the Hornet is utilised for?

Also remember your forces are fighting inside Nigeria within your boarders.

LTGEN:
When the Baga Base fell in Nigeria the pictures were shown,the base commander was arrested, imprisoned and eventually demoted and painful lessons were learnt.
Most of the pictures Frumentius has shown of the Hornet in simulation combat have not shown the Hornet in a Rear action view they have been portrayed as Troop transport carrier to the front even with Mortar Companies in tow
The Base at Bosso Niger yielded up twin shilka and a couple of Quad Zus for the BH, I would hate to imagine what that would do to your beloved Hornets from and a couple of Dhsk .I would hate to imagine what that would do to a hornet as it is in the "rear " 1.5 to 2 kilometers away.
While it is in the rear transporting troops it will run over a Road side I.E.D. planted the night before , maybe just then you guys will have the same visceral hatred we Nigerians have for the thin- Skinned Hilux Vehicles we have.
I also have a right to criticize something that I see without being deemed a troll it is an opinion nothing more nothing less.
The Ghanaians also have a practically useless Light Utility Vehicle that offers scant protection does that make Nigerians trolls just because we criticize it.
If a vehicle is highlighted as one of your signature vehicles then it behooves South Africa to improve on it before tragic results commence.

Oh the Nigerians have a huge massively funded lessons learned centre!

They have so far proved that indirect fire support is useless in raids.

SF should be 95% reccon and 5 raids. They are not SOF or what others might term as light infantry.

nemesis2u:
@MikeCZA since u were so delighted when i posted the camel pics earlier
i have some more pics for u

The BSF border security force camel contingent which traces back its provenance to Bikaner, whose founder Rao Bika raised a camel regiment in 1465 . numbering 1,220 they are a battalion strong.

pic 1 Sometimes, during conflict, it’s just the camel that stands between a soldier and an enemy bullet.

pic 2 On all fours and on song, camels show why they are indispensable in guarding the borders in the unforgiving desert. The call of duty includes crawling near the border lines to evade detection, charging through sandstorms and carrying arms and
ammunition for miles in the harsh sun.

Ahhh the great men of Khamal battalion.

nemesis2u:
1000 $ (virtual ) to anybody who can identify the instrument below and its purpose/usage

To penetrate vehicles with it's shaped warhead.

Henry240:
The waters are very uneasy and rough down south in South-Africa, however i won't go as far as crediting the SA navy for the lack of pirate attacks in those waters. If this was the case, illegal fishing by foreign vessels won't also be an issue, but it is in South-African waters.

The thing with Southern African waters is, Pirates don't exist in those areas. Operation Copper is a good example, there hasn't be any single SA navy pirate take down in Mozambique were the SA navy is deployed in nearly 1 -2 years of deployment.

That's basically the difference.

Because the problem(piracy) originates from inland.

ActivateKruger:
Are those MP5s with the Recces? I can't tell. ... As for the Ops-Core helmet, is it now standard?

There's no standard with the SF.

Mission tailored.