agaugust: SAM-7 missile is very cheap too and even civilian rebels have it.
BlowPipe missile is very cheap as well
Type 90 AAA cannon fires cheap but deadly chinese cannon shells
all these 3 nigerian air defences are cheaper by far than south african Umbani bombs....
...bring your guided bombs and let us waste them for you sir. thanks
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Show us where missiles(SAM 7 or Blowpipe) were used to stop a bomb. Bombs are tracked by radar and destroyed by a "wall of shells",your normal eyes won't see a bomb falling.
NaijaPikinGidi: Your intelligence quotient is zero! Hopefully your military fat bellies will be called up to your Parliament to state why intelligentsia could not protect your national keypoints from whatever could possibly happen now or in the near future! You cannot understand military talk ... Neither can you determine what is not! See yeye new recruit!!
Let's see you exercising your military knowledge by explain how more 100 innocent people were killed by BH in the last 2 months.
For African Generals, Drones Are The Latest Thing Aircraft Are Being Used to Track Militants, Poachers and Drug Traffickers. Article Comments more in AFRICA | Find New $LINKTEXTFIND$ ». smaller Larger facebooktwitterlinked ininShare.0EmailPrintSave ↓ More . . smaller Larger By DREW HINSHAW Taking a cue from the U.S., more African governments are spying from the skies.
From Kenya to Nigeria, African air forces are acquiring surveillance drones—often made in the U.S.—to track militants, poachers and drug traffickers moving across vast and often inhospitable terrain.
The drive to expand Africa's air surveillance comes as the U.S. seeks to outsource some of its work fighting terrorism in the world's most remote places.
"Controlling the borders, the arms trafficking," said Col. James Birungi of Uganda, in explaining how drones can meet his country's security challenges. "We have seen that this equipment can do all that for us.
After a flurry of terrorist attacks across Africa this week, governments on the continent are looking for a quick fix. Shooting sprees in Kenya and Nigeria each left scores of people dead, illustrating why governments that already struggle to give their citizens tap water or electricity might spend millions of dollars on 21st century surveillance planes.
In recent years, [b]Nigeria and Ethiopia [/b]have purchased small fleets of drones to track militants and pirates, according to air force officials in Nigeria and the U.S. Last year, the U.S. agreed to give eight small drones to Kenya to monitor al Qaeda-backed rebels there, according to Pentagon documents reviewed by The Wall Street Journal. Meanwhile, two U.S. Air Force officials said Botswana has approached them requesting drones to track their endangered population of elephants.
For the past few years, the U.S. Air Force has dispatched about a hundred small groups of advisers annually to Africa, said these U.S. Air Force officials, who weren't authorized to be identified by name. Those U.S. Air Force advisers say they are training mechanics, pilots, technicians, and intelligence analysts in roughly 20 African countries.
At a higher level, U.S. Air Force generals say they're talking regularly with defense leaders in Africa—and increasingly are pushing surveillance aircraft as a cost-efficient way to quash the many insurgencies cropping up across the continent.
Two of those officers, U.S. Air Force Gen. Frank Gorenc and Lt. Gen. Craig Franklin, spoke about the initiative in broad terms, describing it as an effort to farm out some of America's anti-terrorism work.
For the U.S., African assistance, however minimal, could help ease pressure on America's own fleet of drones. The U.S. Air Force keeps tabs on Africa, a continent three times the size of the U.S., with only two drone bases. They are 2,500 miles apart, in Niger in West Africa and in Djibouti in the east.
"This continent has too often been land-centric; we solve our problems with land forces," said Gen. Franklin. But he said he'd seen a change: "From the smallest countries, you have air chiefs that…are thinking about: 'OK, with this amount of resources, what can we do?'"
U.S. military assistance to African countries comes as many of them are growing richer and the cost of surveillance equipment is sharply falling. It's an auspicious confluence of trends for defense contractors in the U.S. and elsewhere that are seeking a toehold on the continent.
Last month, the U.S. Air Force created a private website for African defense chiefs—a social network where they could share product reviews, and go in on bulk purchases together.
Earlier this year, Ghana purchased a DA42 surveillance plane, manufactured by Austria's Diamond Aircraft Industries. Defense industry analysts estimated the price at roughly $10 million. U.S. and Ghanaian officials say the country flies the aircraft over the ocean, inspecting ships plying pirate-infested waters. The plane maker's chief executive, Christian Dries, says he's sold similar surveillance planes to Nigeria, Mali, Burkina Faso, Niger, and South Africa.
"We have steady orders," he said. "Definitely, this market is growing."
A half dozen other countries—among them Senegal, Uganda and Mauritania—are looking to purchase similar aircraft, say U.S. officials. "We have a real need for these things," said Senegal's General Ousmane Kane. Asked what surveillance assets his air force currently possessed, he pointed to his face and said "above all, what we have are our eyes."
For defense contractors, African air budgets represent a still-small but fast-growing market. Having failed to maintain their previous air fleets, many African governments are paying vendors this time around to toss in contracts for maintenance, technical support and training, said retired Air Force Col. Cedric Leighton, now a defense consultant with experience working in Africa.
"It's a great business for these folks," he said. "There is a lot of gold in those hills."
But Africa's entry into drone surveillance also has raised legal and human rights questions. The laws in most African countries provide citizens with scant legal protection in the types of images the government can capture, how they can be used and who can have access to them.
"We're in kind of a legal limbo," said Research Director Emmanuel Kwesi Aning at the Kofi Annan International Peacekeeping Training Centre in Accra, Ghana. "Nobody is discussing it. It shows the backwardness and the naivety of our partners."
In countries like Nigeria, there are human rights concerns, too. The lead army unit there, called the Joint Task Force, is accused of burning down entire villages, killing civilians, and torturing prisoners to death. Nigerian generals deny those reports, which they say are propaganda spread by terrorists to discredit their army. Still, U.S. human rights law bans the U.S. from working with the Nigerian unit. And yet the U.S. Air Force legally can and does advise the Nigerian air force, whose plane-gathered intelligence winds up in the hands of JTF troops.
"We regularly stress to our partners in Africa the importance of respecting human rights," said an emailed statement from the U.S. State Department on that assistance.
On a recent afternoon, five African air force commanders returned from a U.S.-sponsored tour of Ghana's recently-purchased surveillance plane. The U.S.'s Gen. Franklin, who'd accompanied the tour, said his resources to monitor militants across the continent are stretched thin.
"Oh man, I'll tell you, I am so excited," said Gen. Franklin. "If they take care of the problem themselves, we don't have to worry about it."
Write to Drew Hinshaw at drew.hinshaw@dowjones.com
A version of this article appeared September 28, 2013, on page A8 in the U.S. edition of The Wall Street Journal, with the headline: Africa's Generals Turning to Drones.
South Africa started using drones during the bush war.
agaugust: now @all south africans, let this be the last time i will have to repeat the posts below, i hate to insult people , so dont give me a good reason to start insutling again if ypou bring up old settled arguments.
Gripen Jet, Rooivalk Helicopter Vs Roland SAM, Type 90 AA GUN
@all south africans, as many as you are ....i reply you all in one combines posts
you all posted very poor and internet based battle field tactics, no wonder seleka rebels defeated south african army
all you 3 south africans (including 2 soldiers) against me 1 nigerian and you still cannot win, which poor military academy did you go to ?
Roland is not on open display like new shoes in trade fair exhibition for enemy aircraft to come and hit.
Roland speed 2,000km/hr, Mokopa speed 1,900km/hr, Paveway Bomb 35km/hr,Rooivalk helicopter speed 278km/hr...and you forgot i said earlier that artilleries never stand alone to fight....Type 90 air defense gun has double cannon with anti-aircraft ammunition speed of muzzle velocity shell speed 4,200km/hr that is why it is built to shoot down incoming enemy missiles firing 1,100 shells per minute as a close-in-defensive weapon.
no Gripen or Rooivalk can jam electro-optical target guidance of both Roland and Type 90, technically optical firing guidance CANNOT be jamed electronically, thats why manufactures installed it as option if radar needs to shut down. did you write and pass military exams or impersonator wrote it for you ?
radar will be switched of if aircraft threat is picked up by radar before a missile gets close. Roland radar detects incoming attack from 18km away.
you assume the only radar on ground is directly on the air defence vehicle, wrong, other radars independent are on the same army battalion formation for other purposes and some for deliberate decoy, older Bofors anti-aircraft guns in an air defence battalion formation will confuse any aircraft or helicopter far away 10km trying to act like a spirit or oracle and determine which radar is directly on Roland or Type 90.
no pilot will ever know what radar he is picking up from 10km away or 30,000 ft high in the middle of many targets on ground, and aircraft radar or targeting pods does not travel bending around corners, like a snake. radars are airwaves and waves travel in straight line, simple physics law.
dont add to a weapon more than its real technology can do in reality, modern weapon does not mean supernatural spiritual weapon.
south africa has no strategic air power like NATO , america, russia, china to carry out SEAD against nigeria's level of air defence and technological advancement, we are not Togo republic. 8 Grippen jets cannot do that level of SEAD.
Roland is for hitting low flying aircraft, but that low flying height is far up to 26,000 feet in the sky !
Roland shoots 8 missiles in less than 3 minutes, and reloads another 8 missiles in seconds. Type 90 has too much ammunition resrves, its also reloaded rapidly in 7 seconds and many shells per catridge.
Grippen and Rooivalk can only carry few bombs and missiles at a time, and south africa has only 50 Paveway bombs and it will all be shot down plus any other weapons that comes also.
Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa are not among low calibre size high speed rate RCS minutions that wikipedia talks about. google the meaning of RCS, those type are usually very small and so tiny to hit.
all the south african bombs and missiles will be shot down by Roland in some seconds.
Type 90 also gives support to Roland, artillery never works alone, they work is a spider web of support.
the Argentina's Roland operator in Falkland war did a normal air defense tactical job by firing 8 missiles against 3 targets of British Royal air force, that is the battlefield standard, air defence fires extra missiles against incoming targets to ensure it shoots down everything of the enemy.
the Roland successfully h.it and d.estroyed all the enemy targets all at the same time, excellent Roland performance and record of its respected war history.
if you are infantry soldier in reaal war zone, and one enemy soldier faces you from a distance and he fires 2 bullets at you, will you fire only 1 bullet back at him because he is only 1 single man ? did you pass military academy exams or someone helped you to write your papers by fraudulent impersonation ?
Spain is NATO power still using Roland SAM today year 2013 just like Nigeria. Spain has money for weapons, not broke when it comes to military weapons buying. Spain paid about $10 Billion recently for 73 latest Eurofighter Typhoon far superior to Gripen. Spain still uses Roland SAM because it is still effective
Roland shot down both fast and slow aircraft, Harrier jet flies max speed 1,000km/hr, Tornado jet flies max speed 2,400km/hr and Roland has shot down all of them in combat, and those were British Royal air force jets pilots shat down, not even south african Gripen jets pilots that dont have enough flying hours to train annually and Rooivalk pilot that flew his helicopter blind like a bat into street electricity wires in broad daylight....south african pilots are far below the quality of British pilots Roland shot down.
Rolands wins, Gripen, Rooivalk, Paveway, Umbani, Mokopa all lose. i have posted many long details on this topic, i leave the rest to neutral public to judge us.
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you failed physics in school or in air force academy. 9.8m/s is 35km/hr speed, and paveway guided bomb is that slow. umbani is also slow, just glides more than paveway, you told a big lie about its high speed...show me source that says umbani bomb has high speed, show us source now or you will be called a F00L forever
....Roland missile high speed is 2,000km/hr, south african bombs will all be shot down from far away. nigerian Roland air defence wins the battle.
i promised i will rubbish those south african air force over-rated Gripen jets and Umbani/Paveway guided bombs today...and i am doing that now. any south african wants to make a F00L of himself anout Roland vs Gripen ? try it, nigerians are ready to reduce the Gripen to a useless toy today
you are NOT a real fighter pilot. you are admin staff at air force office drinking coffee, no combat skills
stop quoting 4th generation, and a system in place to hit a Roland, what system ? all the systems in Gripen is known on internet data specs, so what system ? i defeated it, radar, then what syatem ? paveway and umbani guided bombs technical data and systems are available on internet, i defeated it, so what systems are you talking about here ? did you personally build a new Gripen or Umbani ?
i said american air force most modern jets gets shot down till today and you are boasting of south africa ?
Roland combat history says it is a perfect bomb k.iller, it k.ills all bombs from the air, so all your long range high altitude bombs are useless before Roland SAM and the umbani bomb is not a missile so it is very slow, and Roland is faster many times more to shoot down the bombs many kilometers before you reach Roland
South Africa has NO long range stand -off air to surface missile to hit a nigerian Roland SAM. go back to air force training school and learn the frustrating tactics of enemy air defence, stop doing copy and paste from wikipedia data of range and speed you cannot interprete in practical battle field engagement
you are looking for Roland from 100km away and 50,000 ft above, you fail again as usual the picture below is like a Roland you can never see from long distance.
tell me another story.
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In the African bush armoured vehicles' mobility is limited. Your Rolands will be destroyed by artillery fire. Targets will be selected by the Ratels and the highly trained Recces. Regarding your lack of conventional warfare in the bush,it will be difficult for your army to locate Recces
agaugust: no army has monopoly of killing the enemy without being killed too. SANDF and seleka both killed each other before south african ran away finally
130 nigerian palmaria and bofors haubit artillery all have about the same 30km range of south african G7 artillery.
stop day dreaming
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BOFORS HAUBIT nigerian army artillery
Why didn't Seleka arrested or kill all South Africans parabats? Worth noting no Recce was killed in CAR. What does your army use to select targets? Cause satellites images will take time before they can reach your commander in the field. Giving commanders in Pretoria,to prepare something nasty for your boys.
agaugust: RPG too much ? well it seems so, but we cannot judge a whole Kenyan army General from our laptops at home, he has better intelligence reports about his battle field.
anyway, Israel has proved to the whole world that the only language a terrorist understands is terror....so give him a dose of his own medicine.
rumours say nigerian army may be sent to help Kenyan army on anti-terrorism operations. big brother nigeria, powerhouse of AFRICA !
south africa is NOT even saying anything about helping kenya....cowards of soweto
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Looks like the terrorists escapade through tunnels from that threats. Did you just say "rumours"?....Your plate is full,more students were just killed over the on saturday in Yobe. The Nigerian army is failing at home,Somalia is not Liberia and Sierra leone.
agaugust: he is obsessed and possessed by a few 46 units of south african 70km range G6 artillery that could NOT win the war against inexperienced army of Cuba in Angola bush war.
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How many guns(G5 and G6) were destroyed in Angola?...How many tanks,fighter jets,anti aircraft system and APCs were destroyed by this guns firing from 40km-50km away?......Your pieces won't close in cause they will have to deal with SA well experienced bush fighting mechanised commanders. Two batteries(8 guns) complemented by MLRs can stop your entire army. You don't even know that SANDF artillery has the range of 30km-67km not 70km.
agaugust: ...because your tiny brain is thinking that 150,000 nigerian army with 5,000 armoured vehicles/off road terrain vehicles will all foolishly line up in a straight line in front of south african G6 artillery like a line of ants walking back into their ground hole
that nigerian army will be in formations of about 200 different battalions moving against south africa in many different directions out-flanking your tiny manpower shortage crippled army from north , south, east and west until we en-circle, surround, envelope and finally swallow you up like a swarm of heavily armed honey bees.
go ask Egypt how Israel surrounded and cut off a whole 3rd army of Egypt
go ask America and the whole United Nations armies why they all ran away from China's army trying to encircle them in Korean war
go ask South Africa why your army rushed to peace negotiation table when Cuba almost encircled your useless army at Cuito, why did your G6 artillery 70km unnecessary range not save your useless SADF army from the hands of 40,000 inexperienced youth/conscript Cuban soldiers....nigeria has 150,000 soldiers and 10 times better war experience than tiny Cuba.
nigerian 50 palmaria mobile artillery needs only about 40 minutes drive in and close the range gap completely.
what even makes you think armies of the world are always 70km magical range distant away from each other in a real war ?
were Seleka rebels 70km away from south african army when they dfeated your army in CAR 6 months ago ? fool no army can see the enemy they want to shell from 70km distance away, but nigerian space spy satellites, spy balloons, and ATR-42 Surveyor surface search aircraft will see ALL south african artillery forces over 100 km away and out-maneuver you completely by sending our infantry and motorized battalions to attack you from the flanks by surprise.
south african army is blind as a bat when they fight....no satellite, no balloon, no ATR-42 Surveyor
dont try use drones because nigerian army Roland SAM, Shilka radar AAA, ans Type 90 AAA in our anti-aircraft battalions will shoot down and waste ALL south african drones in a few minutes.
anyway can you please stop wasting our time on this thread by repeating the same old s.tupid comments and making others have to repeat old replies ? or is your fathers' second wife 'doing you remote brain control'
please shut up mr policeman, go fight armed robbers robbing and r.aping soweto women...fire still burns in soweto even after apartheid
stop wasting our time with silly posts if you are not having m.ental p.roblems upstairs
please do us a favour, stop making us repeat posts. thanks
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Nigeria will focus on capturing Bloemfontein(South Africa's military capital). On the issue of spreading battalions,your attacks can be redirected by MINEFIELDS!!!And your attack will be coming from a South African neighbouring country,meaning the war will be on one boarder. Ask any person who knows how many missiles it took to bring down the Seeker during the bush war. Firing from 40km-50km will confuse the enemy,not knowing where pieces are located. How long did it take the USSR that South Africa was preparing a nuclear test?
chris365: dude, lemme make it clear to you. Even if your artillery guns are placed 80km away from us, our military satelites will still pick your locations, special forces will do a recce and pin your artillery locations for return and precise hit, we position our artillery and motars, and the rest is history (while you'll just be wastin shells from 70km away since even your binoculars will not see such a distance)
Your artillery pieces will be moved under fire of the G5 and G6 batteries?. South African artillery men are one of the best in camouflage. Before any armour can be moved Ratels with the masts can detected the threat. Remember the recces can direct artillery fire. Ratels,Drones,special forces and the Rooivalk can do recce missions. So if any army moves its artillery pieces which will be a huge "convey" of supply trucks,artillery men and vehicles. It will easily be detected and destroyed.
agaugust: @NaijapikinGidi made posts on security weakpoints in south africa....thats a military thing...your country can be invaded by nigeria from outside...and from inside Hilbrow !
take his advice and dont try to silence him, he is helping your over-rated soweto republic to wake up from dreamland
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If you're going to make a military simulation about Nigeria's invasion of South Africa. Include how are your soldiers(more than 5 brigades) going to be transported to our boarders. Including the staging area.
agaugust: how does a few units of 46 south african G6 artillery firing some useless 70km shell range defeat a nigerian army with 150,000 soldiers and about 5,000 armoured vehicles/tanks/harsh terrain troop transport trucks ?
nigerian army has 660 artillery guns, plus about 400 mortar artilley , and add about 150 rocket artillery.
some nigerian artillery has range up to 30km like Palmaria, why has the longer range not defeated boko haram ?
who told you that 70km range artillery is the magic weapon for winning a war ?
how many wives does your daddy have...because i dont know who is 'doing' you kolomental remote mind control
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First 1. Boko Haram is not in an conventional war against Nigeria. Second. 3. That would be the case if Nigeria engages SA. Third 3. In a conventional warfare counter battery fire will destroy your artillery pieces. Forth 4. All your howitzers remain out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer. Firth 5. What is your army using to select target?
agaugust: how does a few units of 46 south african G6 artillery firing some useless 70km shell range defeat a nigerian army with 150,000 soldiers and about 5,000 armoured vehicles/tanks/harsh terrain troop transport trucks ?
nigerian army has 660 artillery guns, plus about 400 mortar artilley , and add about 150 rocket artillery.
some nigerian artillery has range up to 30km like Palmaria, why has the longer range not defeated boko haram ?
who told you that 70km range artillery is the magic weapon for winning a war ?
how many wives does your daddy have...because i dont know who is 'doing' you kolomental remote mind control
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First 1. Boko Haram is not in an conventional war against Nigeria. Second. 3. That would be the case if Nigeria engages SA. Third 3. In a conventional warfare counter battery fire will destroy your artillery pieces. Forth 4. All your howitzers remain out ranged by the G7 105mm howitzer.
agaugust: already now many Americans and Europeans DO NOT visit south africa to avoid your black me who specialize in R.aping white women and your battalions of Armed Robbers that your police and army CANNOT defeat on home soil
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There's a difference between not visiting. And being advised not to visit by countries. That will have a negative impact on your economy.
agaugust: America has the 'best military' in the world, yet their army gets killed daily in Iraq which they have conquered and occupied for many years.
it only you dummy south africans that say an army is bad and incompetent because its soldiers were killled by the enemy. you soweto guys are real first class fool.
soldiers go to war to kill and be killed, nobody has monopoly of killing without being killed in return.
are soldiers spirits from the spiritual world ? you fools
anyway, no shame for nigerian army as we killed 150 boko haram fighters and we lost 10 soldiers.
we got kill ratio 10:1 for a jungle warfare and that is fantastic and excellent performance.
you cannot go to war and be killing without getting killed too.
america the worlds most powerful military got only a 2:1 kill ration in vietnam war jungle combat.
nigeria did well....
....south african army could not summon courage to return to CAR and defeat Seleka rebels to recover the honour of south african nation which has now been lost at the bottom of river zambezi
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Have we seen any USA base overran by militants? NO. Is the USA army getting whopped by militants at home? No. Nigeria is losing the war against BH.
nigeria will roast south africa in artillery exchange with 5 times superior fire/shelling rate per hour....you just a dumbo
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Your guns will have to close in to return fire. Your artillery pieces will evaporate under the fire of the G5,G6,Bateleur and AMLAGC(G7) stationed more than 30km away.
NaijaPikinGidi: So therefore, all the atrocious rape, robbery, murder, and corruption crimes currently endemic in South Africa are as a result of poverty inflicted through corruption and bad leadership in South Africa? First class joker you are!
It differs. Your country is divided that's why some are resorting to this extremes. If people in Limpopo felt left out and neglected this kind of things would happen.
NaijaPikinGidi: How does your comment respond to the points I have raised? As you have failed to dispute the points I made ... I take it and it is abundantly clear that you are trying to force a digression from the matter in view. To deal with your Boko Haram trash ... You cannot tell us about non-existent camps without providing proof. You cannot talk about non-existent roadblocks without showing proof. Anyone could be an insurgent ... but a known insurgent/terrorist will be one who declares self or stages a tactical confrontation with the Army. The known insurgents have progressively been decimated. So keep up or drop-off this thread. Meanwhile there are more SA passport holding terrorists hibernating in your South Africa of high value SLEEPER DEMONS.
Your eyes go clear one day! JTF arrested and detained fighters captured in gunfights and raids on insurgent hideouts and from intelligence gathered from the captives we have more terrorists in custody. Your Durban honeymooners should by now be of high concern to SA even as Republic of Cameroun is in our sights!
BH have camps in Nigeria. Some have "spider holes" which are used to hide from your recce planes.
chris365: yeah they did. and i don't think it was necessary. i mean there were more than 300 troops on ground aside from other security personnel.
It looks like the hostage takers were offering a stiff resistance. It doesn't matter weather they had 300 troops,if those troops are not trained in hostage rescue. That's just useless cause they will shot up all the hostages and sh**t
Henry120: Like I have said multiple times, you make a ragtag group which only targets civilians look like super-heroes. Shekau would be killed. Mistakes are made by even the best militaries in the world, however at no time did the nigerian army say he was dead. The nigerian army constantly nailed on "might" and "may" have died. Nightmare for troops, you must be joking. Let them face up to nigerian troops, so the army can send them to allah in a first class flight.
Even if BH is not facing your troops directly. Soon with this massacres ongoing countries will advise their citizens not to visit your country for some time. That will scare away crucial and much needed international investment. Causing Nigeria to fall in the "race" against South Africa for who will become the continent's "Giant of Africa".
Henry120: What is the correlation between poverty and committing mass murder?
Like I told you before. BH is result of the poverty,weather through corruption or leadership. Religion is just used to mobilise and recruit to cause anger towards the government in Abuja. Pray the reports of BH having or in the process of acquiring SA-7 missiles false.
chris365: and you think the Nigerian side will be backed by stone throwing soldiers?
40km to 60km away. Not 24km. Do you remember exercise seboka by the SANDF?. South African tanks,IFV and armoured fighting advance under the cover of powerful artillery. To keep the enemy's head faced down.
chris365: guy stop giving prophesies from your dreams and start talking strategic.
You wanna talk strategic huh?. I will ask you the same question. How is Nigeria going to destroy South African artillery and ground forces without air support. Cause clearly your air force would be outclassed.
chris365: if you can just explain how, i'll gladly call you boss.
Oh I was replying to a post by your brother. He was "dancing around" when I told him that: minefields and the G5,G6 and G7 guns can stop your army. Cause clearly you have nothing to stop and destroy this things.
chris365: more proof that you don't know what you are talking about
is it clowning season already
For the past days I taught you a lot about the bush war. Firstly you said South Africa couldn't advance,I proved it to you that enemies would run when faced with the 32 battalion or 61 mech. But what remains is that Nigeria lacks experience in conventional warfare.
Foreign Affairs › Re: Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa? by MikeZA: 10:17pm On Sep 29, 2013
