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agaugust: i spent the past 6 months studying the weakpoints of the south african valour frigates...now i have got it...i will sink your soweto navy this weekend on nairaland war simulation. FACT and NIGHTMARE for you !!!

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www.punchng.com/news/bharam-linked-to-group-behind-kenya-mall-attack/ Looks like BH will soon wipe out your air force soon. Is this a neutral source? I should another one.

agaugust: see your deceit and fraud...partial and biased judge.

this is NOT kenya's first terrorist attack, many have happened since 1998, 2002, 2012, and now 2013. kenya's army is ALWAYS caught off guard

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_United_States_embassy_bombings

if nigerian army is caught 'off-guard' all south africans on nairaland will shout into microphones and loudspeaker amplifiers like basket mouth

Kenya's army has performed worse than nigerian army in all terrorist attacks, we posted videos of them running for cover from one single distant gunshot

i am sure south african army is even worse than that of kenya.

now if you soweto boys cannot criticize a weaker kenyan army, then shut your mouths when it comes to a stronger nigerian army. kenyan army has been defeated at home many times by terrorists since 1998 till 2013. FACT !!!!

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The SAPS special task force would have done the rescue not the SANDF special forces. Unless more men power was required. Nigeria caught off guard?. You're in a mission against BH,your army bases should be highly guarded. But nope!!! We are criticising you because you claim to be the best. But your joint operations can't even plan a mission,to put your pilots on standby when there's an ongoing mission in your country. What a shame!!!!

agaugust: nigeria has 200 SpringBuck/Mountain Lion MRAPS on order from south africa, and has a contract signed to manufacture them in nigeria from next year.

nigeria also has Israeli Sandcat MRAPS

nigeria also has locally developed MRAPS.

nigeria does NOT depend on south africa alone for MRAPS. buying from your country does not make you our master, does it ?

south africa too purchased 95% of its most powerful heavy weapons from other countries.

by the way, did south africa sell to nigeria all the Vickers Tanks, T-72 Tanks, Cobra APC, VBL APC, BTR-3U IFV, PALMARIA artillery, APR-40 Rocket artillery.....

south african MRAPS is only about 0.00001 % of nigerian weapons....fool

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Nigeria doesn't now. But in the near future you will be purchasing Denel systems. It doesn't make us a master,it shows technology wise we are ahead for you.

agaugust: South African army can totally be stopped not slowed down. STOPPED!!!!

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We did it in Angola. What would be new this time?. Besides Denel workers are expert in clearing mines.

agaugust: if any country drives Tank squadrons against nigerian army, our naija infantry with Swingfire hand-held anti-tank guided missiles will wipe out the enemy Tanks. you were not on this forum when i posted detailed photos, videos, and analysis of nigerian army force of Swingfire anti-tank missiles...the most tricky, deceitful and one of the most deadly anti-tank guided missiles in the whole world

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In mechanised warfare Nigerian forces would perish. If they met South Africans in the bushes of Africa. I hope you know SANDF mechanised units are backed by artillery.

chris365: so why is the US bombing innocent people in afghanistan mountainous regions? air support is difficult in mountainous and jungle terrains.

remember during vietnam, US bombed their own several times in those jungles.

why do you think France needed the help of chadians to fight in mountainous terrains of mali? they would have used air power like they used to push back the rebels in open spaces but they went in commando style and even though chadians are very god in mountain warfare, they still suffered heavy casualties fighting those who knew the place better.

guy, the brief battle in DRC was fought on hills and bushes, not mountains and jungles. there's a difference

Do you even know where the battle(DRC) was fought?

agaugust: the foolishness in your coconut head did not let your realise that nigeria uses the same MRAPS as south africa and nigeria is manufacturing south african MRAPS on large scale from next year. fool

apart from this, nigeria has new Israeli MRAPS built to withsatnd Egyptian land mines in new desert war if it happens.\

nigeria also developed its own MRAP to be put into production later.

you are the one that was boasting about MRAPS when you newly came on this forum, saying south african army is better than nigerian army because you have MRAPS, but now we post nigerian MRAPS nad you change story to say MRAPS are going to be stopped by landmines...so why were you boasting about south african MRAPS few months ago ?

do you sometimes have your bath inside a bucket of alcohol before you post comments here ? ....just asking !

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I hate talking about things from the future. Nigeria is not using the same vehicles as South Africa. Show me a Marauder operated by Nigeria?. And your posts only confirm what I have been saying that "we will sell Nigeria equipment and train them". South African produces the best mine protected in the world.

chris365: you are a complete novice that sees too many movies. which army cannot be slowed down by minefields? guy talk well na.

Nigerian army can totally be stopped not slowed down. STOPPED!!!!

chris365: guy, you need to get your head checked. so they js dropped tanks in the bush and voila, the war is over? you sick

Tank squadrons drove to the bush and kicked some butt.

Henry120: My thoughts exactly.

Injured or not. Fact is his alive to command his evil boys,and that's a nightmare for your ground soldiers.

Henry120: Another round of nonsense from your fingers.

Another post to "ignore" talking about military stuff.

agaugust: you this guy will make a very good policeman if given the chance to chase armed robbers around street corners....but if you join any army on battlefield, you will be one of the first to enter a body bag and arrive in the mortuary.

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Oh Jokes!!!!! Let's talk us about what I asked you earlier. A Nigerian monkey will dance,make jokes,act confused and call on "chineke" if cornered and outclassed.

Henry120: My friend shut up your mouth. You make a group that constantly attacks civilians look like super heroes. Stop calling this poverty nonsense. The north wasn't the only region marginalised in nigeria as the rest of the nation wasn't left out.. The constant threat of coup and counter coup in the 70,80's and early 90's made it impossible to develop the whole nation, coupled with the fact that we had a devastating civil war in the 60's. Do you people even have sense at all?

Let us wait and observe. And answer this: Which region is poorest in Nigeria?

andrewza: BH would be stupid to try that. That is how the tanil tigers got defeated. They fought a convistional war.


Even FSA who have a lot of trained desserts struggel with useing armour against SAA.

The FSA won't move heavy armour because the Syrian air force has the upper hand and will easily bombard or destroy those(tanks and vehicles). Nigeria's air force is not that powerful,soldiers die in their own country with air force jets around. The FSA is bringing the enemy into the cities fight them in bridging(blasting or making holes) building walls kind of warfare. But if the air force was weak "technicals" and armoured cars like in Libya would be used. It would be a war of capturing town after town,with troops carried easily to the front lines by vehicles without the fear of aerial bombing. The war would be swift and end quickly.

andrewza: BH would be stupid to try that. That is how the tanil tigers got defeated. They fought a convistional war.


Even FSA who have a lot of trained desserts struggel with useing armour against SAA.

It depends on a country. Nigeria's divisions can easily be exploited against it. Besides we must consider the fact that militants from other countries are now in that country. Mostly veterans of the Libyan civil war,If Nigeria will get to any armour war against this militants. Many fronts will be opened in the country. Nigeria might even get to war with its neighbours,because Nigeria might think some countries are reluctant to deal with the terrorists running supplies through their boarders. Which is what they're doing now. Boko Haram is the result of politicians failing the North. Religion is just a tool used to mobilise or recruit men by clever BH leaders.

Henry120: There are multiple sources to quote from, none of the aligned to the government. I have told you guys these things multiple times.

They (premium times and saharareporters) constantly manufacture stories, false truths and out-right blatant lies from their imaginations. You cannot continue to quote sources that are known to publish lies, and you expect us to accept it as fact.

In mali, premiumtimes reported that nigerian troops drove from mali to kaduna, this despite the fact that nigeria had 2 C-130-H transport planes nd 1 G-222 deployed and permanent duties in mali, plus 2 more Boeing 757 on call. Of course that's a wicked lie, the report from premiumtimes. Why they continue to publish false stories is beyond me.

Ok, but multiple sources are reporting "shekau the original" back. You can check it on the eNCA website,I won't quote for you.

rka1: When will you learn not to quote Premium Times?

. What sources should we quote from?. Besides your military.

agaugust: post the new Shekau boko haram's 'dead but alive' leader video for us to see....if not, please sharaaap my friend

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Boko Haram is getting armoured fighting vehicles. I won't be surprised if they get main battle tanks soon and start pushing towards your capital,and a civil war blows up. Then militants will arise from the South,screaming "LONG LIVE Biafra!!!!!!!! OUR FATHERLAND". You will delete your account on this forum and become a refugee in Ghana. Kwame.tut will kick your as.s everyday!!!! GET IT??!!!!!!

chris365: you are a donkey. Can you tell me how a war is fought? Especially how the bush war was fought. If you can differentiate

You wanna know how the bush war was fought?. South Africa smashed the enemy with amazing tactics and awesome weapons. They were outclassed from parabats,special forces,motorised and mechanised units.

agaugust: that is what the public believes, buy military experts have a different conclusion.

i have watched a video of the war made by military generals in 3D images plus the historical records and expert analysis.

the yom kippur war, egypt almost defeated israel....but it ended in a stalemate of no winner. like cuba vs south africa.

"The final situation on the Egyptian front

Despite Israel's tactical successes west of the canal, the Egyptian military was reformed and organized. Consequently, The Israeli military position became "weak" for different reasons, "One, Israel now had a large force (about six or seven brigades) in a very limited area of land, surrounded from all sides either by natural or man-made barriers, or by the Egyptian forces. This put Israel in a weak position."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

Here's a quote below from your link which proves what I have telling you. That Egyptian forces were about to be encircled(into the Sinai peninsula). Besides Egypt lost a lot of men and equipment. Here's the quote "The Israelis immediately followed their success
of October 14 with a multidivisional
counterattack through the gap between the
Egyptian 2nd and 3rd Armies, which had been
detected by an American SR-71 spy plane.
[132] Sharon's 143rd Division, now reinforced
with a paratroop brigade commanded by
Colonel Danny Matt, was tasked with
establishing bridgeheads on the east and west
banks of the canal. The 162nd and 252nd
Armored Divisions, commanded by Generals
Avraham Adan and Kalman Magen
respectively, would then cross through the
breach to the west bank of the canal and
swing southward, encircling the 3rd Army.
[133] The offensive was code-named Operation
Stouthearted Men or alternatively, Operation
Valiant.
On the night of October 15, 750 of Colonel
Matt's paratroopers crossed the canal in rubber
dinghies.[134] They were soon joined by tanks
ferried on motorized rafts and additional
infantry. The force encountered no resistance
initially and fanned out in raiding parties,
attacking supply convoys, SAM sites, logistic
centers and anything of military value, with
priority given to the SAMs. Attacks on SAM
sites punched a hole in the Egyptian anti-
aircraft screen and enabled the Israeli Air Force
to more aggressively strike Egyptian ground
targets.[135]
On the night of October 15, 20 Israeli tanks
and 7 APCs under the command of Colonel
Haim Erez crossed the canal and penetrated
12 kilometres into mainland Egypt, taking the
Egyptians by surprise. For the first 24 hours,
Erez's force attacked SAM sites and military
columns with impunity. On the morning of
October 17, it was attacked by the 23rd
Egyptian Armored Brigade, but managed to
repulse the attack. By this time, the Syrians no
longer posed a credible threat and the Israelis
were able to shift their air power to the south
in support of the offensive.[136] The
combination of a weakened Egyptian SAM
umbrella and a greater concentration of Israeli
fighter-bombers meant that the IAF was
capable of greatly increasing sorties against
Egyptian military targets, including convoys,
armor and airfields. The Egyptian bridges
across the canal were damaged in Israeli air
and artillery attacks."

agaugust: that is what the public believes, buy military experts have a different conclusion.

i have watched a video of the war made by military generals in 3D images plus the historical records and expert analysis.

the yom kippur war, egypt almost defeated israel....but it ended in a stalemate of no winner. like cuba vs south africa.

"The final situation on the Egyptian front

Despite Israel's tactical successes west of the canal, the Egyptian military was reformed and organized. Consequently, The Israeli military position became "weak" for different reasons, "One, Israel now had a large force (about six or seven brigades) in a very limited area of land, surrounded from all sides either by natural or man-made barriers, or by the Egyptian forces. This put Israel in a weak position."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yom_Kippur_War

They attacked first and surprised the Israelis but were stopped and smashed(flanks opened,road was leading to Cairo). The 3D battle was on Discovery World(DSTV channel) it clearly showed how Israel tank crews destroyed many Russian made tanks before they can get close to return fire. Which is what will happen to Nigeria ground forces if they were to meet South African troops. Let me quote something from you link.

agaugust: the two south africans who 'liked' your above quoted comment should tell us their names ...i want to rope the 3 of you together into one single mud-pit when i reply to this post on friday...i am busy at work for the next 36 hours.

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I did. Let's talk about minefields and G5,G6 guns. Equipment that can stop your 150 000 strong army.

agaugust: do you south africans know the meanining of MRAP ? tell us the definition

also show us neutral and technically competent source that says south african MRAPS are the only ones that are effective, while Israeli, Russian or German MRAPS are failures.

i dont know again if you south africans are on this forum to inform people or just to attack everything i say even if it will make you look like big time fools

http://www.armyrecognition.com/january_2011_army_military_defense_industry_news/the_new_russian_mrap_wheeled_armoured_vehicle_spm-3_bear_ballistic_enhanced_armour_0601117-7.html

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We are talking about Nigeria here. I said your whole army can be stopped by minefields. South African MRAPS and Artillery pieces are the best in the world,no one can dispute that.

chris365: you must have failed that exam. no wonder you are just a guard soldier

so the russian president emailed you that they burnt all documents of their involvement in the war? why is it was still evident everywhere?

i'm telling you that if russia had fought you, SA will be a wasteland by now. especially with your continuous use of chemical weapons then.

The USSR wouldn't dare attack South Africa. The "vela incident" which is still classified today,happened when things were heating up. The SADF called its reserves to a full strength of 150 000 men to send a clear message to the enemy. Even if the USSR attacked the SADF allies would have reacted like Israel,UNITA,RENAMO and likely the CIA(USA).

chris365: wow. i haven't seen any black SADF before. it must have been very tough for them

By "very tough" you mean?...The soldiers on the ground were not racist. I just can't find this documentary which was aired on Mzansi(the TV channel on DSTV). Where most veterans from the 32 battalion and other units would say "when going to combat we would all wear black paint on our faces and looked the same". They even spent time with 'some' UNITA troops.

chris365: you've come again with your "i heard" stories. you must be ignorant to know that wars depending on their terrain are fought in segments (battles).

the more battles you win, the more grounds you gain till your enemy is made to surrender. if you had won all battles in that war, you would have won the war without negotiations.

South Africa was concerned about the security of SWA. That's why they wouldn't want Cuba and its allies to march toward that boarder. Remember back then South Africa occupied(colonised) Namibia,should we have taken control of Angola? Who would do the peacekeeping missions?.......It is a fact that most former 32 battalion are still talking about such accounts,where the enemy would run without putting up a fight. They known as the terrible ones,now wonder why that name!

chris365: are you kidding me with that question or what? do you want me to start lecturing you of militias currently fielding such weapons? especially the most obvious ones currently in syria. dude, you claimed to have military knowledge. it's time to start using it please.

bridge 14 not 41 is just one of those things in war. you win some grounds and lose some. the victory in that mission was that they were able to rebuild the bridge under cuban assault. but their advance on cuito still failed and they withdrew.

but in other to sell their propaganda (which is normal during any war), they quickly made a movie about it.

i won't lie to you. the book i read only showed me how SADF was very good at holding their lines of defense. but their ability to advance on an offensive was their weakness. before that war, Cuba had no conventional warfare record. so it's only right to be fair to acknowledge their bravery and victory in some of parts of the war as well. SADF didn't have all the victory records in that war.

Oh I made a mistake there(about the bridge). But here's a quote
""Bridge 14"
The Battle of "Bridge 14" was fought on the 9
December at the Nhia River at 11°03′03″S
15°04′49″E / 11.050839°S 15.080325°E. An
important bridge structure located there had
been demolished by withdrawing Cuban forces
in an ultimately futile attempt to stall the
South African Defence Force as it marched on
Quibala. The South African forces were known
as Battle Group Foxbat under the command of
Commandant George Kruys.[56]
The South Africans managed to place a handful
of observers on a nearby hill dubbed "Top Hat",
from which they were able to direct 5.5 inch
artillery fire effectively against the enemy
positions.[57] South African sappers
successfully rebuilt the bridge despite heavy
Cuban opposition, allowing an infantry and
armoured car column to breach the river.[58]
A number of Sagger missile crews had
expected to ambush the advancing vehicles,
but the South Africans carefully skirted the
road, routing the Cuban-MPLA troops on the
opposite bank.
During the fighting, Danny Roxo claimed to
have single-handedly killed twelve Cuban and
MPLA soldiers while conducting a
reconnaissance of the bridge, an action for
which he was awarded the Honoris Crux.[59]
Several other South African military personnel
were decorated with the medal for bravery
during this battle, some posthumously. It is
estimated 400 Cuban and MPLA soldiers died in
the attack while the South Africans lost four
SADF soldiers"..... Tell me again the SADF couldn't advance. On the Syrian thing. Those rebels are trained soldiers some who defected from the army. Returning to the bush war USSR trained a lot enemy soldiers. Cuba's inexperience won't count cause they were advised by the highly experienced USSR officers. Your country lacks experience,Cuba made it up by having experienced officers to advise them. Nigeria doesn't have any experienced "allies".

Henry120: You were caught shamelessly lying by @chris.


I do have a question. Did black south africans serve in the SADF?

He can't differentiate between a war and a battle. He counts the number of men who fought in Angola since the 1970. Not during the operation hooper,moduler and parker........On your question: Yes,they were black soldiers in the SADF. The decorated special force operator was black. Some were even officers. And I'm not talking about the 32 battalion.

chris365: you are a gadamn liar. more than 20000 south african troops fought that war. thousands of elite troops led the advance on cuito. stop lying abeg

SA stopped FAPLA's advance, not the cubans. it was SADF's advance that was halted by the cubans.



[quoe]After the failed assault on 23 March 1988 under orders from Pretoria the SADF withdrew the bulk of their forces, initially leaving a 1,500-man "holding force" behind (Combat Group 20) to continue deception operations and lay mines in order to prevent or slow any FAPLA offensive operations
file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Owner/Desktop/Battle_of_Cuito_Cuanavale.htm

so why did you lie that you had only 300 elite forces advancing on cuito? you are a bloody liar. you just killed your own argument.

until you start telling your stories with proof from neutral sources, you remain a rumor munger. o, i forgot, you are the unsure guy

Your problem is you confuse battles with wars. You seem to think the operations(hooper,moduler and parker) are the only battles SADF fought and won. We heard accounts of how the enemy would leave their equipment and run,if they heard the 32 battalion was advancing on their position. What would be a "neutral source" to you that I can provide?.... Wikipedia?,Quotes from our Generals and colonels after the war?.............3000 warriors under the command of Colonel(died as a SANDF Lieutenant General) Deon Ferreira.

chris365: Lomba river. a battle fought against a weak militia. that's the only thing you can brag about the bush war. it wasn't an element of surprise, it was a a battle of superior fire power (chemical weapons) against an ill equipped and ill trained militia.

but what happened when SADF decided to advance to cuito? they were bushed back to retreat to the namibian border. to me that was the real battle and you lost.

A militia armed with tanks and anti craft missiles?. On the chemical weapons issue it was proven that Savimbi's troops were gased too. Are gonna say the Battle of bridge 41 was not real battle too,the SADF didn't have the G5 and G6 systems then. And the objective was to push their advance and capture cuito.

MiguelMi6: okay.I see.I observed there are some,I don't know how to put it,some comments I've seen on this forum makes me wonder if the user is psychologically competent.others even laugh along.is that part of doing things here cause I mostly don't find them funny.

Like one of my brothers(South African) said on this forum: We are discussing military matters or stuff here,so we don't have time for jokes and insults. You will get used to "jokes" on this forum.

chris365: arctic is worse than desert boss. During world war 2, hitler's army suffered so many losses due to extreme cold. You can easily adapt to a desert terrain than a cold one.

Desert warfare can be quickly won. Cause both sides are in open area,where gorrila tactics won't work. Regarding arctic warfare it is worse if you don't have supplies,most of Hitler army suffered losses because he couldn't supply or reinforce them. You should know this wasn't just "extreme cold warfare" it was a mix urban and a"extreme cold warfare". Desert warfare requires a General's troops to be highly trained in "long range engagement",to kill the enemy before he can close in and shot back. Like Israel does.