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pu7pl3:
Yea,no dead body...the villains dead body is always shown

really? Did zod turn up days after? Did the news channel say anything abt zod being captured? Uh, did kent menti0n anything abt zod after? U saw zod, faora and n0n fall into a bott0mless pit, left al0ne in the arctic to freeze. Superman to0k Lex to the authorities right? Why didn't he do same to zod and the otherz?

Blackspider:
Answer ~ He had good home training from the Kent family and was told to look for hope in humanity. Smallville explained it, Comics explained it. MoS said he is finding identity and snapping necks is a priority

funny u should menti0n tom welling's clark, forgetting he actually killed aliens like Titan in seas0n 6. And alm0st killed that sand guy in seas0n 4. H0me training? Yea, but how do u use h0me training against a guy with same powerz like zod who was going on a rampage? Bros, its the last time i'd reply this argument. U want a cheap way that zod would've been defeated, the producerz didn't. Case cl0sed. Even Shann0n loved the idea. So did N0lan. Speaking of humanity. Yes, Zod was human. The human general who murdered jor el, and alm0st killed martha kent.

NeededGist:
Written another scene. Superman doesn't kill. It's no wonder the movie was a flop.

n0w, soldierz always often never pray for war or violence n0 matter how ready u may see them, why? Becos of the nightmares and the reminder of bl0odshed they see even with their eyes cl0sed.

NeededGist:
Written another scene. Superman doesn't kill. It's no wonder the movie was a flop.

superman doesn't kill. Yes. But why doesn't he? S0mething might have made him n0t to. U can't just say a character is religious without showing through his lines and thr0ugh acti0ns how he is and why he is.

NeededGist:
Same thanos that killed Thor's people or is there another thanos?? Thanos killed Loki just reminding you. Thanos showed emotions but thanos is crazy sorry Mad. I see no difference with him and doomsday. Also Thor kills, doesn't hold back when fighting. This was established in all his movies, so him killing is kind of justified. But superman, oh no.

I don't know what is a violent rampage again sef. You seem to think thanos actions were justified in IW.

and u think zod's acti0ns were justified? Iuwe tried justifying than0s, n0t me. So i had to prove to blackspider, how equal the two were. Both were ready to c0mmit gen0cide. I never saw how reas0nable zod was if he could kill jor el, the krypt0n council, milli0ns and then aim at that harmless nuclear family. I d0n't think it was shown that than0s physically murdered children or aimed to. But zod tried to. He alm0st killed baby kal el by ordering his ship shot down.

pu7pl3:
There was nothing that showed that zod was dead...I e watched so many movies and I know that someone screaming and falling without a dead body showing up doesn't guarantee that the person is dead...it was never implied either

was it ever implied he was alive?

SMUAG:
I keep wondering why is so difficult for people to understand MoS! Kal El wasn't Superman yet.

even evident with the title n0t having the word Superman in it.

pu7pl3:
I don't even care about this killing arguement cos I have no problems with it but how did this scene show superman killed zodhe was pushed down that place and we all know how durable zod is

without powerz?

Blackspider:
What you are saying is total NONSENSE.

Is Doomsday humanoid? Answer ~ NO

Does Doomsday possess any form of human emotion?
Answer ~ NO

Can Doomsday be reasoned with? Answer ~ NO

Do Doomsday say dead forever? Answer ~ NO

Is Doomsday purpose to kill? Answer ~ YES


Is Zod humanoid? Answer ~ YES

Does Zod possess any form of human emotion? Answer ~ YES

Can Zod be reasoned with? Answer ~ YES

Do Zod stay dead forever? Answer ~ YES

Is Zod purpose to kill? Answer ~ NO

Tell me why THOR didn't kill LOKI that had the same intentions as ZOD but went for the head against THANOS?

and than0s didn't show em0ti0ns? And than0s' purp0se was to kill? And than0s couldn't be reas0ned with? And than0s wasn't human0id? If zod's existential purp0se wasn't to kill in0rder to pr0tect krypt0n, why then did he kill those krypt0nian heads? Why kill a defenseless jor el who tried bargaining with him? Why plan gen0cide thr0ugh terraformati0n and using the codex to bring krypt0nians who he deems worthy to live while exterminating the others? Why go on a violent rampage? There were times clark wanted to reas0n with zod but he didn't listen. Even in Krypt0n the series, zod can't be reas0ned with. But as for than0s, u saw him reas0ning with dr. Strange. Than0s never went on a violent rampage just cos he wanted to exterminate a race or a group. Zod did this. He wanted to wipe every human alive to do this. Yea, u can reas0n with zod.

Blackspider:
Man of steel. Snyder's movie moved far away from the comics Superman. He should had rewritten that storyline.

yea, i bet after superman snapped necks in MOS, he went abt smiling and grinning. Oh, zod was the friendly type u kn0w. The kind u'd have c0ffee with. Every m0vie adaptati0n of a b0ok has its own angle. The jas0n bourne films, harry potter, half of a yellow sun, legend of the seeker/sword of truth, the c0mics i.e x men, marvel etc. There are things that d0n't work on film but do on paper. There are things that are built on. I bet u are angry the mcu films didn't make t0ny stark an alcoholic, or that they never hinted or killed Ben Parker. Or that ven0m was n0w a hero instead of a villain. Or that alfred hooks up with Bruce wayne's mum. Or that supes grandfather had it with zod's m0ther or that zod was black and was kal el's uncle. These things are called a twist or a retelling. Same way, a m0dern retelling of r0meo and juliet would be fixed to match the present times or setting. If u ask me to put r0meo and juliet in the era of the cold war, d0n't be surprised i might make r0meo a russian spy and juliet the daughter of the american secretary of states who was s0mewhat blackmailing Paris' dad; the french president. It's a retelling.

Blackspider:
First of, starting a movie where the hero is snapping people's neck is a red light.

Secondly, Zod should not have been MoS first villain, luthor would had been preferably or even parasite could had been better.

Thirdly, how can a farm boy overwhelm a military general all on his own, just after discovering his powers.

Fourthly, Clark doesn't kill people anyhow, if not luthor could had been dead since.

Fifthly, Comics Zod can be reasoned with though difficult.

Finally, that script should have been rewritten to prevent so much controversies.

how many neck's did he go abt snapping? Oh, they should've made Luthor the villain eh, wait, was that n0t superman returns all over again? Parasite as villain for an origin story? Dude, Clark was just learning who he was. Atimes, u ch0ose characterz based on the themes u want to explore. Parasite could've w0rked but n0t in an origin story. The villain would've w0rked well with superman returns n0t M0S. Bros, the theme of MOS was all abt identity. S0mething that reflected in Zod, clark, lois and with the Kents. Parasite is m0stly used when trying to explore themes like "weakness in the all powerful", and such themes are used when superman is an established character. That's when u use luthor or parasite. U need to show why lex would hate superman and u can't do that without developing him. And MOS wasn't abt kent being superman. It was abt kent asking if he was just kal el or both a s0n of the kents. Am a n0velist bro, u d0n't go into a ficti0n with a developed character or spelling everything out for readerz, and m0st of all, u d0n't write the easy way out [i.e endgame, time travel plot device etc]. This aspect superman the m0vie ign0red. People were asking, what made superman, superman. Why the no kill rule? Etc. We all knew why bruce has an aversi0n to killing and guns. He saw it, he witnessed it. But u can't put Kent in same situati0n as Bruce. So, u put him in a p0siti0n where he is forced to act on instinct. N0w, this is where BvS c0mes in. In the ultimate cut, J0nathan's ghost told Clark s0mething abt acting on instinct; telling him a story of how he and clark's grandfather tried acting on instinct to save their farm fr0m flo0ding only to have the animals die in the aftermath. That was a less0n Clark needed to learn. Clark wasn't birthed as superman. He became superman by learning.

Blackspider:
You see this mischievousness of yours is not going to work this night.
Zod is a being with capabilities to reason with.

Doomsday is just dooms day(end of the world)

Darkseid is a God with dark side

All puns are intended.

All superheroes have killed someone before. Zod can be stopped without killing him, Doomsday can't

i can see u really didn't watch M0S.
1. Krypt0nite wasn't introduced. 2. It was established the krypt0nians were invulnerable to all human weap0ns. 3. Kent was just a farm boy who just discovered he had powerz and was forced into a fight and to pick a side. 4. He wasn't established as being a strategist. The plan to send the krypt0nians back to the phant0m z0ne wasn't his but his father's. Kent didn't kn0w zod won't follow into the dimensi0n. 5. After that phant0m projector was destroyed, it was established there was no other way to defeat zod. He had all of clark's powerz by then. 6. Zod was pissed, mad, his mind made up. His mind early on was centred on only one thing: gen0cide. Jor el tried to bargain with him, u saw how it went. 7. Zod couldn't be negotiated with. 8. After the m0ther ship was destroyed, zod hated everything abt Kent.
[after the ship was destroyed, and the krypt0nians sent to the z0ne]
zod: [picks up sand] we could have built a new krypt0n in this scouler. My sole purpose was to ensure the survival of krypt0n, [with spite in his eyes] that is what you have taken fr0m me...
Kent: [lo0ks empathic with zod, hoping to negotiate a truce. Zod hits him b4 he could say a word]
zod: this humans u've adopted, am going to take them fr0m you Kal.
Kent: you are m0nster Zod, and am going to stop u [n0w that line showed Clark's characterizati0n as an inexperienced hero rather than superman] [the fight begins]
Zod: there is only one way to end this Kal, it's either u die or i do. [m0re destructi0n fr0m the fight as people die in the background. Superman has zod pinned. Zod wanting to make kent sad, catches a family l0oking to flee, sets his heat visi0n at them. Kent sees what Zod is aiming at]
Kent: [begging] stop this zod.
Zod: never!
Kent: stop! [zod still bent on frying the family, kent l0oks on, caught in the m0ment and to act on instinct, the family l0oks at him in desperati0n]
if u were to write that scene, what would u have d0ne?

Raalsalghul:
In Hollywood, a sequel can't be greenlit unless a film has found some form of commercial success; critics reviews don't matter.
Checked the budget and B.O earnings of the first film: 110 mill on 220 mill dollars.
If Marvel sees that as a success, why shouldn't you: obviously they weren't using the 2.5 multiplier.
Probably, they used other metrics to gauge success: home video sales can be an example
Mind you, the second film had a smaller budget.


No matter how you try to spin it, the management of Netflix considered Bright a success and a sequel in the works.
Say what you want about Snyder, but Bright was no flop
Find below.

the thing is, snyder had n0thing to do with Bright. And d0n't forget viewership on the streaming site.

Blackspider:
No matter how brutal any version of Superman is save injustice, [b]Clark doesn't go around snapping people's neck. He always find another way.

It's infinite crisis not final crisis, my mistake

in what film did he go about snapping people's neck?

AntiMCU:
It was panned by critics alone and a sequel is in the works. If that's not a sign of success, don't know what is. Still not a fan of Snyder though

snyder had n0thing to do with Bright.

Blackspider:
Man of steel doesn't have a sequel because the movie was controversial.

Never had Superman in the canon comics been so brutal he would snap someone's head. Infact the snapping of general zods' neck was a direct and cheap imitation of Wonder woman snapping Maxwell lords neck in the public during the final crisis event.

Superman is a boys scout and a symbol of Hope, MoS movie destroyed and damaged what Clark stands for.

seriously? U guys really d0n't watch films attentively. M0S wasn't really abt clark being superman. It was abt Clark realising and c0ming to terms with what he was. He was just a farm boy being pulled into a fight he knew n0thing abt. He was forced into bec0ming superman, he didn't really decide to be it. He had doubts. Read into Martha's words again "be their hero, be their angel, be their m0nument [american symbol/boy scout], be what they want u to be, or be n0ne of it". He wasn't superman till he went and came bk fr0m exile in BvS. He was learning to live, to be what humans saw him at. He stumbled many times, hence Clark saying "superman was never real. It was the dream of a farmer fr0m kansas". He didn't kn0w how to be that till he acceptd himself. It was all abt character development. S0mething that would've paid off had wb allowed M0S 2 to progress naturally. We'd have seen Russell Crowe teaching clark the ideals of hope and sense of resp0nsibility and learning to cope with the criticisms. He never learnt that at his teenage age, we saw how Clark was just the doting kid who wanted a life away fr0m the farm and to live in the city. He didn't kn0w abt c0nsequences. M0S 2 would've showed that. They made clark kill zod becos they wanted to make him learn there were other ways to win than killing. And him killing zod, did put a fear in him that would've led to a no kill rule and optimism in 'an0ther way' to achieve ur goal. M0S was meant to be a franchise that would've been c0mplete with a BvS as the 3rd film.

Skseries:
av seen watchmen 3times and see the boys, I will take the boys any day any time. I life complex film with undertone plots, likes of prestige, and inception, but that watchmen nahhhhhhhh not it at all. I never like man of steel first time I saw it, didn't even know Snyder then, but I took my time and watched it again and I liked it a little better and I understand what is idea was about the movie... But movie isn't for individual it's or audience.. hardly anybody goes into a theater to see a movie with a political undertone, we wanna enter there have fun and get our mind blown, not like marvel movies don't av issues or plot holes but ppl get carried away by the excitement to even notice them... It's all about the feeling u get while watching the movie not late at night when u are busting ur brain to understand it... James wan created the conjuring universe now, and av seen his other works,

u still d0n't get what am saying. U d0n't go watching a film for sake of watching with0ut reading its logline and undastanding if its a c0medy, thriller or mystery. U went watching watchmen expecting a classic superhero film without undastanding if it sets out to just be that. It's like me being angry with Batman by gaslight for making jim gord0n a serial killer or placing batman in a victorian setting. Watchmen was placed in a political setting; the turning point of America and u expect pop corn fun? It featured themes of war and instability, anarchy etc, what u expect?

Blackspider:
Wonder woman didn't hit a billion but there is a sequel so does SS

They never expected those films to do the numberz they did at the BO. Superman is a different matter. WB expectd it to make a billi0n. A wb exec even said so.

pu7pl3:
plz make me understand cos I'm really lost here....

Last season we were canvassing about getting rid of the dead woods. Yet, after the transfer window we got rid of the players who were supposed to get good game times this year based on their last year’s performance.
1. Got rid of ceballos, kovacic, llorente and bough none replacing them. Llorente performed good when given chance last year while our whole midfield was underperforming and most importantly our only backup to casemiro. Kovacic would’ve been an obvious replacement for modic (who is done and dusted). Although different profile but we needed new approach to our midfield and kovacic would’ve helped. Got rid off ceballos, keeping "bro quota" isco and deadbit kroos (extending their contract actually), who could not even deliver proper set-pieces.
2. Got rid of reguilon even though he performed miles better than marcelo last year. Reguilon and mendy would’ve made the left side more secure.
3. Trying to get rid of james and bale while keeping vazquez.
4. Got rid of vallejo while keeping nacho and extending his contract. Nacho has regressed so much, he does not even deserve to be on our bench.
I do not know what deal perez made with zidane. May be, he told zidane you won’t be fired even if you remain empty handed and play uninspiring bland football this entire season.

zidane kn0ws what he is doing. Relax. These are just friendlies, when la liga starts, then you'd see what zizou has been testing.

Skseries:
I never hid that am not a fan of his works, but I don't have a problem with him personally, 300 was an interesting movie no doubt, but if one is critical enuf, he will notice the unrealistic surrounding, samething with the Aquaman scene of Justice league, first synder movie I watched was watchmen, and I hated it, I even never knew him then I just hated the movie, me a big super hero and comic lover hating a super hero film, it was odd. Best part of BVS for me was Batman warehouse fight, the rest was just total bore. Movies is about directors vision. Typical example. Synder felt there was a need for a water bubble to have a discussion under water, James wan totally thought in a different way, who made Aquaman look better? To even prove it more HBO is releasing there's watchmen, and am sure it will be better than stnders's

people fail to undastand what watchmen was abt just as they failed to undastand what the boys was abt. U can't go into a c0medy film expecting to cry or lo0k sad. Just as u can't go into a mystery film expecting to laugh. Those pictures weren't meant to be the usual superhero thriller, blockbuster whatever. Watchmen was a political piece. There were questi0ns of do we need the police when we have superheroes who fought to defeat the vietnamese dèfending our neighborh0od? Do we have to vote an0ther president instead of voting who has turned america into a God state? Who watches the gods? The underlings? What is liberty? A truely free state or what? Do people want the truth or to just live in the bliss of oblivi0n? Watchmen was t0o g0od. I had to watch it 4 times to grasp its central idea. These themes u hardly see in a typical superhero film, that which watchmen wasn't.

hulk616:
I watched captain marvel twice. Before endgame and after endgame.
And also spiderman twice

0n CAMRip na.

pu7pl3:
Lmao...so now you can apparently handle buisness more than wb?

apparently bro. MOS had potential but wb rushed things. It's very obvious. Every0ne sees it except those blinded by fan sentiment.

TheKingIsHere:
I was shocked when I read the news last week. So what happened to all the billions? It means that there were hidden humongous expenses that wiped out all the so called billions. This made me to suspect billion dollar movies like captain marvel.

seriously? U are just believing that disney bought tickets to bo0st cap marvel's box office? Bro, use the 2go bo0ster logic of those days. It was very evident. For a m0vie to hit the billi0n dollar mark, it has to be seen over and over again. And u think people would go see cap marvel twice? Really? Even hulk616, vic2ree didn't see cap marvel in cinemas twice. I bet hulk616 jux zeroed his mind to download the CAMRip versi0n instead. To him, endgame was the Endgame.

TheKingIsHere:
Yeah. Its break even point is about $150m. Which means it will be profitable

hahahahaha good one, mate. But joker is going to hit 600mill, trust me.

Blackspider:
Hahahahahahahaha, I saw it bro, them Snyder bots thinks it's all about making billions at the B.O. Last year, even if Aquaman didn't make a billion, WB posted a great profits. Disney billions didn't stop it from making a loss though terrible

does wb see it that way? Lol, they cancelled M0S 2 becos M0S couldn't make a billi0n. And seriously, had Whed0n's justice league made a billi0n, we'd have been counting days to JL2's release. WB wey we kn0w?

TheKingIsHere:
They will be like, I never doubted it.
Or it was successful because it looked like a synder movie

lol, this guy.

TheKingIsHere:
That will be his end in the movie world.. Right now no sensible studio is ready to take the guy as his fans are very toxic and hateful towards movie studios especially when things don't go Snyder's way.

Netfli,x just gave him a life line so he better use it wisely

lifeline? And they told u snyder can't make an independent film fr0m his m0ney? Netflix hired him. He didn't go begging for the job bro.

TheKingIsHere:
Lol...

Give the failure 10hours to tell a story and he will still fail in doing so.

When Joker movie becomes successful, just watch how they will change mouth and say they never wanted joker movie to fail. Same thing they did for Aquaman.

Joker cost $50m to make so its break even point is very low.

no one is praying for joker to fail. Read tonyspike's c0mment again.

TheKingIsHere:
Good for him. As no big studio will take the failure at the moment.

Let him remain at netfli,x doing zombie films and other animations

what are u saying? Lots of actorz, direct0rz and filmz are making it 0n netflix. Will smith is an A list and he did a netflix film Bright, that was praised. Directd by david ayer, same director that was bashed cos of wb meddling. I'd take a netflix job ahead of working for wb.

pu7pl3:
Freezing out James,not using bale, relying on washed up oldies then to add insult to injury he is using very shit formation.....he will be gone before December if he continues like this

oh no. U guys d0n't undastand zidane.

TonySpike:
@minemrys
Warner bros is having a bad year, hey. I just checked the 2019 global box office figures and the movie industry has simply not favoured WB. I am foreseeing that the Joker movie might not do good numbers like Shazam. But I will keep my fingers crossed before dem talk say I be Snyder fan again... �...

expect an0ther reshuffling and rebo0ting...or cancellati0n

uunwanaobong3:
HONESTLY, I AM SERIOUSLY THINKING THAT THIS SO CALL VAR WAS SPECIFICALLY MADE JUST FOR MANCITY ALONE, TO ROBBED CITY OF PRIMIER LEAGUE AND CHAMPION LEAGUE.

E.g can well also remember lorente handball which var allow and aguero marginal offside goal which var disallow in order to knock city out of champions league last season.
And now despite stirling being on the same line with the last westham defender, var rule out his legitimate goal

my questi0n is, why is it always Sterling?