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 Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 1:48pm On Aug 21, 2013 |
RoyPCain: the only way he can be attested to have spoken the truth since no writing from him survived is what God says through a prophet after Jesus left the stage. and God knows who He chose as prophet to correct lies and maintain truth that survived.You have denied the old testament prophets,new testament disciples and apostles and introduced one 6-7th century writer and his colleagues right ? Why do you think God will send muhamed to contradict what HE said concerning Jesus before HIS comming and also after HE had left the stage in flesh ? Muhamed copied all those apocryphal books like i told tbaba234 who is no longer on this tread probably becos he has known the truth and decided to seek the face of God through HIS son Jesus in quiet ! Muhammed has got nothing to tell me becos Jesus said anyone who deny the truth that HE is the son of God will die in his sin ! If muhamed denied this fact,it obviously means he died a sinner and will definitely not make it into heaven ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 1:38pm On Aug 21, 2013 |
tintingz: With all these long epistle I can't find where Jesus said "I am God worship me"See this one alone below and deduce from ur self : Jesus is humble and will not rant concerning HIS authority! John 5:21-28 "The Father judges no-one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honour the Son just as they honour the Father. He who does not honour the Son does not honour the Father, who sent him. I tell you the truth, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be condemned; he has crossed over from death to life. I tell you the truth, a time is coming and has now come when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who hear will live. For as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted the Son to have life in himself. And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man. Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice." Christ authority is given to HIM by HIS father ! From the above,you can see clearly for urself that God will not judge you HIMSELF but HIS word-SON Jesus will carry out the judgement. If you no want make HIM pepe you well well,start to dey honour am as you dey do to the father o(no be a,llah o),becos if you know am and honour am,na the father you dey honour but if you dey form say you no one honour am but you one do everything to d father,ur name na sorry becos the father no know you at all ! To honour God means to honour HIS son and this is no other thing but to believe that HE is the son of God,who came and died for the sins of the world,crucified on the cross,burried and was ressurected after 3 days ! Believe HE is ur lord and personal saviour than you will be in right standing with the father !-This is all it takes to honour Christ and HIS father ! He said if you have seen me,you have seen the father. We Christians pray to the father in the name of HIS SON JESUS ! Jesus say HIM and HIM papa na one ! No be me talk am. Na Jesus talk am. On less u 1 tell me say Jesus dey lie ! But even ur quran say 1 single lie no dey Jesus mouth  God help us 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 1:24pm On Aug 21, 2013 |
tintingz: If Jesus was GOD, then why in Mark 10:18 Jesus said [b]“And Jesus said to him, ‘Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone. ?If you understand the humility that is in and exhibited by Christ,you will not laugh at Christians but will rather imitate the imitators of Christ Christ was called by so many names at different times.Take a look for urslf below: Author of Eternal Salvation Beginning Beginning and the Ending Begotten Beloved Beloved Son Beloved Son of God Blessed of God Bread of Life Bridegroom Bright and Morning Star Captain of Man's Salvation Captain of Our Salvation Carpenter Carpenter's Son Chief Cornerstone Chosen Chosen of God Christ Christ Child Christ of God Christ the Lamb Comforter Consolation of Israel Cornerstone Counsellor Creator Creator of All Things Deliverer Divine Son Door of the Sheep Emmanuel End of the Law Endless Eternal Eternal Father Eternal God Eternal Head Eternal Judge Eternal Judge of Quick and Dead Everlasting Father Example Exemplar Faithful and True Father Father of Heaven and Earth Finisher Finisher of faith First and the Last Firstborn Firstfruits Forerunner God God of Abraham God of Isaac God of Israel God of Jacob God of Thy Father God of Whole Earth God's Anointed Good Shepherd Governor Great I AM Great Shepherd Head of Every Man Head of the Body Head of the Church Healer Heir of All Things Holy Holy Child Holy Messiah Holy One Holy One of Israel Holy One of Jacob I AM Image of God Immanuel Jehovah Jesus Jesus Christ Jesus of Galilee Jesus of Nazareth Joseph's Son Judge Judge of Quick and Dead Just One Just, King King of Israel King of Kings King of Zion/Sion King of the Jews Lamb Lamb of God Life Light of the World Light Lion of the Tribe of Juda Living Bread Living Stone Living Water Lord from Heaven Lord Jesus Lord of All Lord of Dead Lord of Glory Lord of Hosts Lord of Living Lord of Lords Lord of the Sabbath Lord Omnipotent Lord our Righteousness Lord's Christ Maker Man of Counsel Man of Holiness Master Mediator Meek and Lowly Messenger of the Covenant Messiah Mighty God Mighty One Mighty One of Israel Mighty One of Jacob Minister Most High God Nazarene Offspring of David Only Begotten Only Begotten of the Father Only Begotten Son Our Passover Physician Power of God Prince Prince of Life Prince of Peace Prophet Prophet of Nazareth Propitiation for Sins of Whole World Rabbi Redeemer Redeemer of Israel Redeemer of the World Resurrection and the Life Revealer Righteous Judge Righteous Man Rock of Heaven Root of Jesse Savior Savior of Israel Savior of the World Second Comforter Seed of Abraham Seed of David Servant of Jehovah Servant of the Lord Shepherd Son Son of Abraham Son of David Son of God Son of Man Son of Righteousness Son of the Eternal Father Son of the Everlasting God Son of the Highest Son of the Living God Son of the Most High God Spiritual Rock Teacher Come from God True Vine Truth, Unchangeable One Well Beloved Wisdom of God Wonderful Word of Life Worthy From the above,HE who is all,give all the glory to HIS father in heaven for HE said'' I and my father are one.If you have seen me you have seen the father'' See also below how HE who is all above stoop low to wash the feet of HIS disciple to teach them humility. He lived HIS life by example: Mathew 13:12-15''When he had finished washing their feet, he put on his clothes and returned to his place. “Do you understand what I have done for you?” he asked them. 13 “You call me ‘Teacher’ and ‘Lord,’ and rightly so, for that is what I am. 14 Now that I, your Lord and Teacher, have washed your feet, you also should wash one another’s feet. 15 I have set you an example that you should do as I have done for you. Every Good son is a servant of his father ! I still serve my father at home till tomorrow.Will calling me a servant becos i serve my father take away my sonship from me ? NO.It only shows that i am a responsible son ! Jesus is not the only son of God,all who are in Christ Jesus are sons of God but Christ is the first born son of God ! Na this one they vex you ? See below what Jesus asked you muslims who deny HIS sonship: John 10:32''-Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? 33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. [/b]34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, [b]I said, Ye are gods? 35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; 36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? With time,you will know more ! If not,see below what Chrsit is saying concerning you: "You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." —John 8:23,24 God help us 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 12:49pm On Aug 21, 2013 |
tintingz: With all these long epistle I can't find where Jesus said "I am God worship me"Hey tintnz,e be like say you no dey see abi? Or you choose only to see wetin you like to see abi? See below and this time in piece meal what Christ said about HIMSELF and tell me HE never said any of them and yet you quote the ones you feel or think favors your stand: "Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don't you believe me?" —John 8:46 Even quran with all it's lies can not deny the fact that Jesus was sinless-Sura 19:19'' He said: I am only a messenger of thy Lord, that I may bestow on thee a faultless son. But they also made us understand that all prophets are sinners including their muhamed ! sura 40:55''So be patient, [O Muhammad]. Indeed, the promise of a.llah is truth. And ask forgiveness for your sin and exalt a.llah with praise of your Lord in the evening and the morning'' So know, [O Muhammad], that there is no deity except a.llah a[b]nd ask forgiveness for your sin and for the believing men and believing women.[/b] And a,llah knows of your movement and your resting place.''Sura 47:19 This one below,showed us also that ur mohamed was a sinner before he claimed one negative spirit delivered the quran to him,while he was busy killing people of the world and claiming that it was god inspired,he remained a sinner and even in future he continued in sin untill his death! See below what ur quran is saying: Sura 48:1 Lo! ''We have given thee (O Muhammad) a signal victory, 48:2 That Allah may forgive thee of thy sin that which is past and that which is to come, and may perfect His favour unto thee, and may guide thee on a right path,'' The above is ur quran,i only quoted it for you to see that ur mohamed was a mere man not like our Lord Jesus who never sinned but forgave the sins of millions ! Just for piecemeal sake,reverting with further answers to your questions ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 10:12am On Aug 21, 2013 |
RoyPCain: @m.k.o.2005; your proving trinity with 'spirit of God moving above water' is not an evidence and spirit of God is not God just angel of God is not God or prophet of God is not God.See the conclusion below: The Holy Spirit sanctifies (Rom. 15:16).to be a minister of Christ Jesus [/b]to the Gentiles in the priestly service of [b]the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. From the above,you will see clearly that the spirit,son and God are inseparable ! This Shows you folks that God isn't two,neither is he three but ONE who wroughts HIS works using HIS personalities i.e HIS spoken word-Jesus. Your word is you. HIS spirit.Because the spirit of a being can not be called the angel of the being or any other but the being HIMSELF! THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD HIMSELF working in us as a spirit ! See below scriptures may be it will again help u to see that the spirit of God is not angel Gabriel or Michael but God HIMSELF becos they work together,in different ministries but to achieve same goal ! Hebrews 9:14'' how much more will athe blood of Christ, who through 1bthe eternal Spirit coffered Himself without blemish to God, dcleanse 2your conscience from edead works to serve fthe living God? Luke 1:35''The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called t[b]he Son of God[/b].'' From the above,we can as well see what that messenger(Angel Gabriel) came to do ! You can as well see again how the holy spirit achieved the work of the MOST HIGH concerning HIS SON-JESUS ! 1 Corinthians 12:11''But one and the same Spirit works all these things, adistributing to each one individually just as He wills. It is one spirit man;GOD the father,HIS SON and the spirit is one ! Romans 15:30''Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me'' Na wao,see how this spirit and the son including the father take be just one ! Acts 13 :12''While they were ministering to the Lord [/b]and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Wonderful work and instructions of God through HIS spirit !No prophet or Angel can claim THEY called anyone to do anything,rather that God has said or asked them to do but we hear Jesus always and even the holy spirit saying they(2 in one GOD)have called people to do certain things ! Mathew 1:18''Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together s[b]he was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit.'' The angel's power never came on the mother of Jesus BUT the power of God did-HOLY SPIRIT! Mathew 3:16''After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him'' Luke 4:1''Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness''-Jesus wasn't lead around by one prophet or one Angel,but by the spirit of God !Even angels worship Jesus ! Luke 4:14'And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district.'' The spirit has always bein with Christ becos na the instruction wey the father give am !Glory be to God that Christ eventually sent this spirit of HIS father to us ! Make i stop here so that them go fit publish this post. God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 10:11am On Aug 21, 2013 |
RoyPCain: @m.k.o.2005; your proving trinity with 'spirit of God moving above water' is not an evidence and spirit of God is not God just angel of God is not God or prophet of God is not God.See below: The Father sent the Son (1 John 4:10)''In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins''. The Son and the Father send the Holy Spirit (John 14:26;''But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.'' John 15:26)''But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.'' Now see below of the works of the father using this three personalities i.e God the father'Jesus the son & the holy spirit of God : The Father creates(Isaiah 44:24)Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,who formed you from the womb:“I am the Lord,who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself'' The Son redeems (Gal. 3:13 ''Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—) God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 10:10am On Aug 21, 2013 |
RoyPCain: @m.k.o.2005; your proving trinity with 'spirit of God moving above water' is not an evidence and spirit of God is not God just angel of God is not God or prophet of God is not God.See below in piece meal ! Mr roypcain,good morning to you,how was ur night ? Let me give you a little intro of the person[/b]of the holy spirit as HE is the same in God and Jesus ! I know you are not a christian but some others might be touched by the power of the holy spirit ! : Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," 1 Cor. 12:4-6, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons." 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." Eph. 4:4-7, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5[b]one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6[b]one God and Father[/b] of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift." 1 Pet. 1:2, "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure." Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life." You can learn something from the above.But if you didn't,no be my fault as still leave you to the holy spirit for conviction and convincing wink See below how this three who (is) monotheistic in nature but polytheistic in works : There is, apparently, a subordination within the Trinity in regard to order but not substance or essence. We can see that the Father is first, the Son is second, and the Holy Spirit is third. The Father is not begotten, but the Son is (John 3:16)''For God so loved the world,[a] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.'' The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me..Even this same 'guy'holy spirit wey Jesus send,tbaba and the rest say na muhammed grin i laugh so tey i wan fall from chair! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 10:09am On Aug 21, 2013 |
RoyPCain: @m.k.o.2005; your proving trinity with 'spirit of God moving above water' is not an evidence and spirit of God is not God just angel of God is not God or prophet of God is not God.Mr roypcain,good morning to you,how was ur night ? Let me give you a little intro of the person[/b]of the holy spirit as HE is the same in God and Jesus ! I know you are not a christian but some others might be touched by the power of the holy spirit ! : Matt. 28:19, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, [b]baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit," 1 Cor. 12:4-6, "Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons." 2 Cor. 13:14, "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all." Eph. 4:4-7, "There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5[b]one Lord[/b], one faith, one baptism, 6[b]one God and Father[/b] of all who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace was given according to the measure of Christ’s gift." 1 Pet. 1:2, "according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, that you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure." Jude 20-21, "But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith; praying in the Holy Spirit; 21keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life." You can learn something from the above.But if you didn't,no be my fault as still leave you to the holy spirit for conviction and convincing See below how this three who (is) monotheistic in nature but polytheistic in works : There is, apparently, a subordination within the Trinity in regard to order but not substance or essence. We can see that the Father is first, the Son is second, and the Holy Spirit is third. The Father is not begotten, but the Son is (John 3:16)''For God so loved the world,[a] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.'' The Holy Spirit proceeds from the Father (John 15:26)“But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me..Even this same 'guy'holy spirit wey Jesus send,tbaba and the rest say na muhammed  i laugh so tey i wan fall from chair!The Father sent the Son (1 John 4:10)''In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins''. The Son and the Father send the Holy Spirit (John 14:26;''But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.'' John 15:26)''But when the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, he will bear witness about me.'' Now see below of the works of the father using this three personalities i.e God the father'Jesus the son & the holy spirit of God : The Father creates(Isaiah 44:24)Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,who formed you from the womb:“I am the Lord,who made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself'' The Son redeems (Gal. 3:13 ''Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—) The Holy Spirit sanctifies (Rom. 15:16).to be a minister of Christ Jesus [/b]to the Gentiles in the priestly service of [b]the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. From the above,you will see clearly that the spirit,son and God are inseparable ! This Shows you folks that God isn't two,neither is he three but ONE who wroughts HIS works using HIS personalities i.e HIS spoken word-Jesus. Your word is you. HIS spirit.Because the spirit of a being can not be called the angel of the being or any other but the being HIMSELF! THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS GOD HIMSELF working in us as a spirit ! See below scriptures may be it will again help u to see that the spirit of God is not angel Gabriel or Michael but God HIMSELF becos they work together,in different ministries but to achieve same goal ! Hebrews 9:14'' how much more will athe blood of Christ, who through 1bthe eternal Spirit coffered Himself without blemish to God, dcleanse 2your conscience from edead works to serve fthe living God? Luke 1:35''The angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you; and for that reason the holy Child shall be called t[b]he Son of God[/b].'' From the above,we can as well see what that messenger(Angel Gabriel) came to do ! You can as well see again how the holy spirit achieved the work of the MOST HIGH concerning HIS SON-JESUS ! 1 Corinthians 12:11''But one and the same Spirit works all these things, adistributing to each one individually just as He wills. It is one spirit man;GOD the father,HIS SON and the spirit is one ! Romans 15:30''Now I urge you, brethren, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God for me'' Na wao,see how this spirit and the son including the father take be just one ! Acts 13 :12''While they were ministering to the Lord [/b]and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “[b]Set apart for Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.” Wonderful work and instructions of God through HIS spirit !No prophet or Angel can claim THEY called anyone to do anything,rather that God has said or asked them to do but we hear Jesus always and even the holy spirit saying they(2 in one GOD)have called people to do certain things ! Mathew 1:18''Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: when His mother Mary had been betrothed to Joseph, before they came together s[b]he was found to be with child by the Holy Spirit[/b].'' The angel's power never came on the mother of Jesus BUT the power of God did-HOLY SPIRIT! Mathew 3:16''After being baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and lighting on Him'' Luke 4:1''Jesus, full of the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led around by the Spirit in the wilderness''-Jesus wasn't lead around by one prophet or one Angel,but by the spirit of God !Even angels worship Jesus ! Luke 4:14'And Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about Him spread through all the surrounding district.'' The spirit has always bein with Christ becos na the instruction wey the father give am !Glory be to God that Christ eventually sent this spirit of HIS father to us ! Make i stop here so that them go fit publish this post. God help us 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 12:13pm On Aug 20, 2013 |
tbaba1234: Evidence 3bThis man tbaba234 'no get sense' ! tbaba please forgive me for using the above phrase.I don't always go through ur write up becos i already know that it lacks truth and filled with mistakes and contradictions ! See what you put up above to support ur claim that it wasn't Jesus that was crucified.Some times you guys (muslims)say it was the simon of cyrene at another time you said it was judas iscariot.But now i am very convinced that it was none of the two mentioned above but most 'definitely'muhammed the man who introduced the demi god a,llah to the muslims ! Now to the Christians,see below scriptures as omitted by tbaba the plagiarist in his attempt to debunk the truth as said by Jesus:Below is to show you the conversation between Jesus and Peter before HE (Jesus)was taken: John 13:33-38''My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come. 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” 36 Simon Peter asked him, “Lord, where are you going?” Jesus replied, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” 37 Peter asked, “Lord, why can’t I follow you now? I will lay down my life for you.” 38 Then Jesus answered, “Will you really lay down your life for me?"[color=#990000]Truly I say to you, that this very night, before a rooster crows twice, you yourself will deny Me three times." From the above scripture we have seen that Christ said to peter that he will deny HIM(Jesus)three times ! If Christ said this to peter,how then will tbaba think it wasn't Jesus that Christ denied but muhammed ?or could it be judas iscariot that Christ said peter will disown? Okay to conclude that it was Christ peter actually denied and not mohammed,judas iscariot or the cyrene as claimed by the muslims and their apocryphal book. See below how peter felt after the denial of Jesus,the crowing of the cock and peter's realization that he(peter)has fulfilled the earlier stated words of Jesus: Mathew 26:69-75''69 Now Peter was sitting outside in the courtyard, and a female slave came up to him and said, “You also were with Jesus the Galilean.” 70 But he denied it in the presence of them all, saying, “I do not know what you mean!” 71 And when he went out to the gateway, another female slave saw him and said to those who were there, “This man was with Jesus the Nazarene.” 72 And again he denied it with an oath, “I do not know the man!” 73 And after a little while those who were standing there came up and said to Peter, “You really are one of them also, because even your accent reveals who you are.” 74 Then he began to curse and to swear with an oath, “I do not know the man!” And immediately a rooster crowed. 75 And Peter remembered the statement Jesus had said, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny me three times,” and he went outside and wept bitterly. For peter to have wept bitterly,does that not tell us that peter realized that he lied that he never knew Jesus and that he has disappointed his 'friend' Jesus ?According to tbaba234,he wept becos he realized that he said the truth afterall it was not Jesus that was captured but muhammed ! You tbaba the defender of the muslims god also talked about whether Jesus is a Galilean,Nazarene or what have you ?But i tell you that you can call HIM what ever you like but HE forever remains who HE is! See below the question HE asked HIS disciples regarding what people like you say HE is: Mathew 16:13-17 When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, “Who do people say that the Son of Man is?” 14 “Well,” they replied, “some say John the Baptist, some say Elijah, and others say Jeremiah or one of the other prophets.” (insertion please like the muslims say) 15 Then he asked them, “But who do you say I am?” 16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah,the Son of the living God.” 17 Jesus replied, “You are blessed, Simon son of John,because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being.'' If i take my time to go through all those ur error infested posts,i will expose you real good.But the reason i will not do that now is becos i have to pay some bills there by using myu time for something productive and not to engage in idling away trying debunk ur lies which had been settled long time ago ! God will arrest you soon. And you will most definitely work with Christ ! God help us 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pastor Ajanaku Is Dead (Christ-Revival Church Pastor) by mko2005: 3:30pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
people wey dey read meaning into the 'prophet'death say na wetin him talk concerning a lady na him kill am ! I'm not saying it's true but if it's close,naira landers mind ur comments ! If you don't have anything good to say about someone,it's better to keep quiet ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Are These Wealth From God & For God Or From Man & For Man ! by mko2005(op): 3:23pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
eddiebruk: You are sick, how can you calculate an Institution Net-worth with that of what another needs for a project, do you think Dangote would use all his money to Invest in a particular business, of course no, it has to be a portion of his Total Net-worth, please educate yourself with ones worth before you start another e-war.'An institution Net-worth and what another needs for a project' ! May be from the e-war,i will be educated because i know the church has got real money and not 1 billion or just some 10 billion naira for a project will be an issue ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What's This You Will Never Die Prayer? by mko2005: 3:13pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
Smartie gurl: look hun, are you tryna tell me that's the ones who died prematurely is not Gods handiwork? I also learnt while studying my bible that he is the giver and taker of life...abi na lie?When you finish taking your drugs and drinking binge(ly)that will eventually cut short your life,please say it to the world that God killed you ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What's This You Will Never Die Prayer? by mko2005: 3:10pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
Smartie gurl: ''you shall not die'' 'But live to declare the goodness of God in our lives ! I think below two commentaries will help people like you !: Verse 118:17. - ''I shall not die, but live. The psalmist(pastor) speaks, not in his own person, but in the name of his nation(church). They had been brought very near to extinction;(problems of this world,curses of the enemies and curses they brought upon themselves as sinners before they gave their lives to Christ) but now the danger was past. God had given them "a reviving" (Ezra 9:8, 9); and they felt that henceforth they would "live." And declare the works of the Lord. They would employ the new life granted them in "declaring God's works" (see Psalm 40:5, 10; Psalm 96:3; Psalm 145:4-6); i.e. they would witness to all men of "the might of his marvelous acts," and "abundantly utter the memory of his great goodness." See below another comentary: ''I shall not die, but live,.... Not that he should never die, David knew he should; but that his present afflictions would not issue in death; or he should not die by the hands of his enemies, he sometimes feared he should; but now believed he should live, as he did, to a good old age: he knew he should live spiritually and eternally, and not die a second death; and so may all true believers and members of Christ say. Yea, these words may be considered as the words of Christ; who, though he came into the world to die, and did die for the sins of his people; yet he knew he should not die before his time, nor should he continue long under the power of death; but should live again, and live for evermore, and not die; death should have no more dominion over him; see Psalm 16:10; '' If you go through the above two commentaries and still finds it difficult to understand why pastors declare this word of God to the congregation,just know that i can't help but to ask you to wait for the total help of the holy spirit ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 2:53pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
Enigma: @mko2005heheheehe ! Okay ! God help us 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 2:52pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
RoyPCain: it seems as if kenny4lyfe and people taking the same position with him about Jesus being the way are saying prior to Jesus, there was no way and everyone from Adam through John son of Zacharia [as] were lost along with those who followed them?You need to be thought regarding how the trinity hav been together or better etill is one ! As an intro,let me tell that from the very begining,God Almighty,the father of Jesus has always beein in heaven with HIS son and spirit relating to man before HIS son was finally sent down to earth ! The spirit of God - Genesis 1:1-2''In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.'' Just to say a little about the spirit of God! The son of God-Now to tell you that Jesus is the Lord of Abraham,Isaac,Jacob,Moses and David,see below what Jesus asked the pharisees of old that you;roypcain resembles represents today : -Mathew 22:42-46 Saying,What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 'The Lord said unto my Lord(Jesus), Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?' If David then call him(Jesus) Lord, how is he(Jesus)the son of David? And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions. See again,Jesus telling you that even Abraham is a son of HIS becos HE has been with the father before Abraham was conceived! Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”-John 8:58 Concerning Judgement,no one who died before the comming of Christ as the xpress and direct word of God will be judged according to the standard of the son of God ! They all will be judged by the standard of the law of God the father in the first dispensation(OT standard).God the father had a direct dealings with the people then. In the dispensation of the son,it was through the son Jesus Christ that you can reach the father.And the son ascended into heaven promising those who believe in HIM,the holy spirit which is what the 'true Christians enjoy today ! -Mathew 17:1-5''And after six days Jesus took with him Peter and James, and John his brother, and led them up a high mountain by themselves.And he was transfigured before them, and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became white as light. And behold, there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him.And Peter said to Jesus, “Lord, it is good that we are here. If you wish, I will make three tents here, one for you and one for Moses and one for Elijah.”He was still speaking when, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them, and a voice from the cloud said, “This is my beloved Son,with whom I am well pleased; listen to him.” The above is the word of God that does not need any interpretation.If you believe,fine and if you don't,na ur luck ! Na prayer i go still dey pray for you not to die in ignorance but to accept Jesus as ur lord and personal saviour ! See below what Jesus is saying to you : "You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins." —John 8:23,24 God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 1:57pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
striktlymi: Didn't realize you also engage in this Christian vs Muslim thingy.That's he's stock in trade but he's been hiding ! HE can not find rest until he repents and come to Christ ! We will continue to pray for them folks and WARN as well(but no fighting &beheading)until you give the holy spirit a chance to convince you of the authority of Christ ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 1:51pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
Enigma: You replied copy n paste with copy n paste PLUS plagiarism. And you are not ashamed of yourself!enigma,help me check the below see whether copy and paste plus plagiarism as is the case with tbaba, dey for inside ! And i dey wait for tbaba234 to answer me ! Yes ! I'm back ! where is the plegiarist,tbaba234 THE defender of the muslims !  I've been away attending to other more serious unsettled issues not like the one at hand that has been settled long time ago ! wink Is Jesus the son of God ? Yes Did He die ? Yes Did He resurrect?Yes Is He comming back ? Even the muslims confirm HE is comming back yet they remain defiant to the truth ! See below sura confirming Jesus is the Messiah,the word of God that became flesh according to John 1:1''In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ! ''when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near to Allah -Sura 3:45 tbaba,even ur so called 'jinn inspired' quran(copy copy from the 6th century apocryphal books)says Jesus is the Messaiah and is the WORD of God you are here plagiarizing write ups here and there that even contradicts ur own quran !smh for you! If your own quran asked you to be expectant concerning the 2nd coming of Jesus,can you please explain to us in detail what HE(Jesus) is coming back to do ? Please note that ur apocryphal book(quran)is there for us to display the contradictions therein in case you try to hide anything ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 1:33pm On Aug 19, 2013 |
Yes ! I'm back ! WHERE IS the plegiarist,tbaba234 THE defender of the muslims ! I've been away attending to other more serious unsettled issues not like the one at hand that has been settled long time ago ! Is Jesus the son of God ? Yes Did He die ? Did He resurrect?Yes Is He comming back ? Even the muslims confirm HE is comming back yet they remain defiant to the truth ! See below sura confirming Jesus is the Messiah,the word of God that became flesh according to John 1:1''In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ! ''when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near [to Allah ].-Sura 3:45 tbaba,even ur so called jinn inspired quran(copy copy from the 6th century apocryphal books)say Jesus is the Messaiah and is the WORD of God you are here plagiarizing write ups here and there that even contradicts ur own quran !smh for you ! If your own quran asked you to be expectant concerning the 2nd coming of Jesus,can you please explain to us in detail what HE is coming back to do ? Please note that ur apocryphal book(quran)is there for us to display the contradictions therein in case you try to hide any ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 5:53pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
The muslims kicked started with their confusion when they tried mis-interpreting the below sura to fit it into their satanic lies and deception! And for their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain''.-Sura4:157 # You know tbaba,i have always told you that ur mohamed copied the apocryphal uninspired books,twisted the canonical(bible)giving it a touch of the bible creation story to make it look 'original'to give you ur gibberish called quran ! Considering the fact that he(mahamed)came around the 6th-7th century (close to 600yrs after Christ)let us also see how he made success in compiling and selling lies to you folks! There were Gnostic Christian sects in and around Syria and Arabia at that time. The Gnostic Christians believed in the doctrine of Docetism.(the doctrine according to which the phenomenon of Christ, his historical and bodily existence, and thus above all the human form of Jesus, was altogether mere semblance without any true reality) Within the doctrine of Docetism is the idea that Jesus Christ had two aspects of his being: the material (flesh) and the spiritual (his Spirit)Please don't also forget that apocrphal books can so twist the word of God to make it look invalid.So,in Sura 4:157, mhammad was reflecting the idea that he had heard or was taught: he wasactually taught that though it appeared to the Jews and Romans that they had killed the Christ (his flesh), they had not killed or crucified the true spiritual nature and being of Christ. lol,what do you expect him(mohamed)to think or feel when there are so many people with such belive.And if you look at it critically,you will also see that we(Christians) believe that since Jesus was resurrected,not the spirit alone but the body as well,we can also say our lord JESUS CHRIST IS ALIVE And also,there were a very few Gnostic Christians around Arabia in the 6th Century that were spreading the heretical lies of balisides. balisides was a heretic who, between 130 AD and 150 AD, was telling others that Jesus Christ had not been crucified, but that Simon Cyrene had been crucified in his place.Actually this was not the true Gnostic teaching of Docetism, but was a deviation of the doctrine of Docetism from Satan that had been perpetuated by Balisides, and others who came after him like mohamed ! Clearly,early muslim “scholars” have tried to perpetuate this lie of Satan by misinterpreting Sura 4:157, and saying that the person on the cross was a “young man who volunteered to Jesus” (according to Ibn Abbas), or Judas Iscariot(according to the fraudulent gospel of Barnabas which tbaba is madly in love with)But who cares if they misinterpret their own error ! balisides another mohamedians said that it was Simon of Cyrene! Three different people – ALL “full of doubts, with no (certain)knowledge, but only conjecture to follow,”. But these other suras in the quran clearly dispel the substitution theory, because Sura 3:155, Sura 5:117, and Sura 19:33 all say it is Jesus who died.But the true Gnostic teaching regarding Docetism best explains mohammad’s 'jinn inspired', ambiguous musings in Sura 4:157. The idea that anyone would reject all the Prophecies and Scripture about the crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus Christ in the bible and even in ur on contradictory quran based upon one ambiguous verse of that same quran is foolishly ridiculous ! But it is the discrepancies and contradictive verses in your quran that should show you that Sura 4:157 does not mean that the man Jesus Christ did not die on the cross. Truly, His eternal Spirit could not be killed or crucified ! If that is what confused mohamed and his followers like tbaba123 and the rest of you muslims,then i can understand ! But, Satan does not care how he gets a person to deny the crucifixion and the resurrection of Jesus Christ. The spirit of anti-Christ works in the atheist’s heart as well as in the heart’s of those who follow a false religion that denies the Son of God like you muslims ! God help us 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Christian God And The Muslim God One ? by mko2005(op): 4:37pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
We are back ! Thought this ought to have been on front page by now !-Anyways,let's go ahead slowly but surely. Some people are getting themselves confused becos of the death,resurrection and ascension into heaven of our Lord Jesus Christ.- Let us look into the quran a little to see the confusions therein : ''And peace on me on the day I was born, and on t[b]he day I die[/b], and on the day I am raised to life” -Sura 19:33 According to our quran people,they said Jesus made this statement in their quran and they believed HIM 100 percent becos a,llah said they should believe in Jesus !  See below another one from the quran: And [for] their saying, "Indeed, we have killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the messenger of Allah ." And they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him; but [another] was made to resemble him to them. And indeed, those who differ over it are in doubt about it. They have no knowledge of it except the following of assumption. And they did not kill him, for certain''.-Sura4:157 The quote directly above goes to confirm what they said Jesus said in their(Sura 19:33) But some of them said no oo,we belived that HE will die but not now,becos HE will first ascend into heaven with HIS real body,then come back later to the earh to make it perfect,marry,have kids and everyone on earth will live happily ever after before HE(JESUS)will then die and go to heaven to validate sura 4:157 - Ok,let us see this other one below just to confirm how it 'agrees'with the above two ! ''Surah 3:54-55 says, ''And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed [/b]against them and [b]Allah is the best of SCHEMERS. And remember when Allah said: O Jesus! Lo! I am gathering thee and causing thee to ascend unto Me, and am cleansing thee of those who disbelieve and am setting those who follow thee ABOVE (SUPERIOR) those who disbelieve until the Day of Resurrection. Then unto Me ye will (all) return, and I shall judge between you as to that wherein ye used to differ.-Sura 3:55 Please our muslim friends,what other resurrection day is ur quran talking about since it countered the sura 19:33 ur quran put's forward concerning Jesus'death and resurection?or could it also mean that this Surah 3:54-55 is taken to mean a,llah permitted Jesus to be killed and then he surprised the schemers who thought that once Jesus was killed that would be the end of his existence. But God raised Jesus up alive to fulfill Surah 19:33. !  or are u still holding unto HE not been crucified but was caused to die a natural death and was raised (resurrected)again? Surah 3:55 says followers of Jesus are superior than Muslims. The verse says "those who follow Jesus" and not "those who only believe in Jesus". As muslims do not follow Jesus but believe in Jesus only, muslims are 2nd class believers based on the Quran ! God help us ! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye Is Not Wrong by mko2005: 3:02pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
kemika: Pastor that verse talks about dwelling place not a place to be used only three times or so a year. I think expansion will be better than having a new one at that cost! We all cannot deny how hard it is to see a clean billonair in this country. Do we honestly think ppl like bill gate or Dangote will give to such course instead of fighting malaria, Aids and polio with their hard -earned money? Don't we think the ''dirty' billionairs are thinking they can buy their way to heaven? Cant we correct that mentality?'a place where we dwell with you' na house of God be dat. E fit be shop,corner,bus,small room,big room but so long as God dey there,na dwelling place ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye Is Not Wrong by mko2005: 3:00pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
Bukwazy: If d lord b 4 him, wu can b against him? No one!!! No b sai dey force u donate, if e dey pain anybody take a bike nd go nd hug a transformer...abiI go camp i dey for outside,adeboye see am say e no good like that becos if rain dey fall e go beat me well well .him come say dem go build another place wey go contain every body so dat no body go dey for outside again. and if dem finish building that one the crowed come expand again na so dem go build another one untill dem go take over naija for JESUS ! How dis matter dey vex people now ? dvil no well at all God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye Is Not Wrong by mko2005: 2:03pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
[img][/img] You know how much this mosque is worth ? God Help us
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Are These Wealth From God & For God Or From Man & For Man ! by mko2005(op): 2:02pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
[img][/img] The one below is a mosque where they also go for prayers ! From God and for God ? God help us
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Adeboye Is Not Wrong by mko2005: 1:44pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
You know how much this church costs ?- 20 Billion naira ! And how much is Adeboye looking for to build the new auditorium for God ? God help us
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Pastor Adeboye Got It Wrong by mko2005: 12:49pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
The First Baptist Church in Dallas below is worth more than 20 billion naira(130,million dollars) ! How much do you say Adeboye of RCCG is looking for to build the RCCG auditorium ? I billion you said ! That's peanut becos it would mean that he left out 19,billion ! Okay no problem let's leave it at that since we are in poor Nigeria,African continent ! But come to think of it,how much do you think the Vatican[img][/img] is worth ? As at Friday 26,1965,the estimated worth of the vatican was 10-15 billion dollars plus !-TIME Magazine ''Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income, which led the leftist Rome weekly L'Espresso last week to call it "the biggest... Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html#ixzz2c8DAs2fx God help us[img][/img]
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| Christianity Etc › Are These Wealth From God & For God Or From Man & For Man ! by mko2005(op): 12:44pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
[img][/img] This First Baptist Church in Dallas is worth more than 20 bilion naira(130,million dollars) ! How much do you say Adeboye of RCCG is looking for to build the RCCG auditorium ? I billion you said ! That's peanut becos it would mean that he left out 19,billion ! Okay no problem let's leave it at that since we are in poor Nigeria,African continent ! But come to think of it,how much do you think the vatican is worth ? As at Friday 26,1965,the estimated worth of the vatican was 10-15 billion dollars plus !-TIME Magazine ''Bankers' best guesses about the Vatican's wealth put it at $10 billion to $15 billion. Of this wealth, Italian stockholdings alone run to $1.6 billion, 15% of the value of listed shares on the Italian market. The Vatican has big investments in banking, insurance, chemicals, steel, construction, real estate. Dividends help pay for Vatican expenses and charities such as assisting 1,500,000 children and providing some measure of food and clothing to 7,000,000 needy Italians. Unlike ordinary stockholders, the Vatican pays no taxes on this income, which led the leftist Rome weekly L'Espresso last week to call it "the biggest... Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,833509,00.html#ixzz2c8DAs2fx The kingdom of God is making progress and people are vexing aiding the kingdom of darkness ! My thought though God help us
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| Nairaland General › Re: Nairalanders How Do I Insert Images On My Nairaland Posts by mko2005: 12:11pm On Aug 16, 2013 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Pastor Adeboye Got It Wrong by mko2005: 11:36am On Aug 16, 2013 |
chagga: [b]The message I got from the pulpit was clear, concise and profound. It does not matter where the N1 Billion comes from, provided it is donated for God’s work. Ever wonder why it is difficult for Pastors and General Overseers to condemn those who have looted our treasury? Recall when Cecelia Ibru and Erastus Akingbola had front row seats at major religious conventions in Nigeria? Did any Pastor speak against their deeds, like Nathan confronted and condemned King David in 2 Samuel 12? The subtle message is clear: “we need your money for the work of God and it does not matter how you get it”. Those who have sincerely worked hard for their wealth will only donate to worthy causes such as Aliko Dangote did when he announced a relief fund contribution of N2.5 Billion to the relief effort of flood victims in [/b]2012."https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=658152460862248&id=100000024999611&refid=8&_ft_=qid.5911584831070047053%3Amf_story_key.-4075839890008540583&_rdr#s_878437630e9e448f9504d46c35ddb39eWhen the church gives they don't go public ! If they do,you will condemn them quoting the bible ! A liar will say churches don't preach against ill goten wealth,if they outrightly point fingers you will say they are judging quoting the bible ! Concerning cash for church buildings,it can still come from unbelievers afterall it was recorded that dangote once gave a church 0ne billion naira and when the church rejected it by letting him know that as one who does not believe in Jesus,your gifts won't be accepted.Dangote refused claiming that he knows the kingdom principle of giving and receiving irrespective of your religion ! But have you taken your time to consider this scripture:-Proverbs 13:22b'' but a sinner’s wealth is stored up for the righteous.'' It also depends on what you make of the word of God ! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Pastor Adeboye Got It Wrong by mko2005: 10:44am On Aug 16, 2013 |
The Roman catholics are in a haste to click like on this thread following other ignorant Christians,forgetting that there is a saying that:''HE who lives in glass house should not throw stones'' And Christ never asked us to judge anyone but correct but should first clear ourselves prior correcting others.When it comes to ur own denomination you try to defend her but if others,you condemn like hell ! See below ongoing conversation amongst catholics when they where accused of spending too much cash on their cathedrals: ''The reason that so much is spent on church buildings is that how we build our places of worship SAYS something about what we really think about God. In communities where the people are successful and wealthy, drive luxuries cars, own large houses with all the latest fashions it would be downright scandalous for them to demand a cheap concrete block office building for a place of worship. When you do that, you send a message to God that He is only good enough for our leftovers. Poorer communities must obviously make do with less, just like they do at home. And there is nothing wrong with that. There is no shame in being of lower income. The shame comes when you put yourself first and God second. The catholic church is not a big commune. Our parishes are an expression of who WE are locally and what we believe. What we are called to do instead is to put God first. Our Church buildings should, if anything, be finished BETTER than our own homes. We should give the best things to Christ and make do with the seconds ourselves. We have it backwards in this country. Read the instructions God gave about how to build the Israelite temple in the old testament. The logic was the same then as now: what you build your place of worship to be tells a lot about what you really worship.''-Speaker A ''In my darkest of times, the beauty of Catholic places of worship has provided me with solace and peace. Think about the stained glass windows, steeples, stone work, fresh flowers, statues of Mary and Joseph, and of course Jesus on the cross. I think these places are integral for all members of our community, both in richer and poorer areas. The poor deserve a beautiful place to worship and from which to draw their strength as well. However, I can understand your frustration as there are many other places and people that need support financially. I do hope that they are able to allocate money for other worthy causes as well. Perhaps that is where the money will go next''-Speaker B I think the Speaker B below has an opposing view: '' i don't see the Church spenidng much cash or time or whaatever on evangelizing. If i had been taught my faith years ago... just even a fraction of what i know today... what i had to teach myself.. my life could have been and definitely would have been much different... i would not now be suffering as terribly as i am (long, long story)from the mistakes i made in the past and how those mistakes have impacted me and others SO horribly.. People are more important than buildings.. that should go without saying.. but i just don't SEE it in our Churches(RCC).. instead, frankly, i see downright hatred toward one another... none of this Love others as you love yourself stuff ... I'm not saying we should all be hugging each other on entering the Church and that kind of fake love... i am talking about.. warning people of Hell.. on another thread Not Many Escape Hell,it is virtually unanymous that the saints and Jesus said that not many get into Heaven.. So why aren't people taught to evangelize? Ever heard a homily on sharing Christ with others? Of course peole are going to end up in hell.. they are not taught holiness... I pray that people find their way to the Church.. to the Real Presence... the sacraments.. but i doubt my prayers are sufficient.. I also evanglize ... but i can only do so much.. gee... what a couple million dollars couldn't do to get people into the church...'' We all have our inhouse issues but do not wish people bad becos they left you to serve same God you claim you are serving! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Cameroon's President Orders Pentecostal Churches Closed by mko2005: 8:52am On Aug 16, 2013 |
God is watching ! Since the days of John the baptist,the kingdom of God suffereth violence and the violent taketh it by Force ! Exactly what the roman catholics with the help of the emperor did to the early true Christians! God help us |
| Christianity Etc › Re: On The Most Blessed Virgin Mary- Teachings Of The Early Church Fathers- by mko2005: 5:21pm On Aug 15, 2013 |
shumax: Oga sir nobody prays in the name of mary, we just ask her to pray for usError ! One Error leads to another and another and it keeps going on and on and on and on..... until so tay una come accept say muslims wey no accept Christ go still go heaven ! God help ur children ! |
How can someone that say all this verse above be 'equal' to God how can Jesus be God with all what he has said "why call me good, God alone is GOOD" even a 6 year old kid will read these and laugh at christians blindness and ignorance "why calling Jesus(son of man) God"??