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Pastor Lazarus,this accusations don really make you popular finish o. If you be original,may God continue to bless you and use you to dey save people of the world. But if you be fake,you no go come out from this one and even if you come out,make you try change ur ways if not,na hell things !

If you defend yourself,people go say why you no allow the God of Chosen to defend you ! If you no defend urself them go say becos you know say na true na him make you no talk anything. I no dey attend your church but i know say there are possibilities say you be original man of God and also becos you be man, e fit get where you make mistake as a man wey you be.And i no dey also rule out the fact say you fit be fake but no be becos of wetin Mrs.Julliet talk o becos na fury,anger na him she dey carry talk, but becos Jesus say on the last days fake go yakpa ! If you be fake,na Jesus word they fulfil so but if you be original,even if you no come out of this one,e no come make you fake becos Jesus no come out of all the allegation wey them level against am ! Dem say Jesus na drunk,sinner,blasphemer,womanizer wey Mary Magdalene born pikin for,some still dey tell us today say HIM be homose,xual, friend to evil people,thieves and prostitutes,Dem conclude say HIM dey use evil powers like that of Beelzebub dey do miracle and dem come finally kill am !
With all the allegations that eventually lead to Jesus'death,does that make HIM fake and guilty ?-NO
See below my stand:
1.For Christians,don't let the ongoing story make you loose ur faith in God and DO NOT insult or accuse anyone yet that you do not sin against the holy spirit !-Attributing the powers of the holy spirit to the devil is a sin that can't be forgiven !And since we don't know,let us remain calm and pray for them instead.
2.For pastors,please learn something from all the negatives flying around today and hold on only unto the holy spirit for tutorship and the words of God(holy bible)for there are nothing like this two !
3.For Lord's Chosen members,i salute una courage for holding unto what you believe(the word of God)and the support you give to Christ through support for ur pastor at this trying times and continue to put on ur Apron for publicity becos each time i see you guys still flying the lemon grass color,i feel 'joyous' in my spirit.Still pray for God to give you personal revelations concerning ur pastor.
4.Our Muslim brothers and atheists,Christians don't condone evil,they speak out when they notice anomalies in the kingdom of light !But we only urge them to be angry if need be BUT NOT TO SIN !Some of you may be feeling happy concerning the happenings in Christendom,but i tell you,we also are happy for Christ's words are fast fulfilling ! People are growing cold in their love for the things of God every day becos of iniquities in the land !-In fulfillment of Jesus'prophesies! Mathew 24:12
Now to other denominations and churches don't be happy becos you want the Pentecostal denomination to crash land or becos you had always hated The Lord's Chosen church for the way they preach,you may be happy that false prophets are bein exposed only if Laz Muoka is one !

God help us

zealed64: @m.k.o2005 looolzzzzzzzz ----- "Chosen,there is a God that chooses, after all HE said we are a chosen generation this one is at Ijesha bus stop,a holy nation,this one na him be holy family for 22 road Festac town,a peculiar people,this one is at Olodi Apapa, a royal priesthood ,i don't know where it is situated for now !" ....

Royal priesthood church-- is at bayelsa state..

@Zealed,i no know say one royal priesthood dey for bayelsa o. But if na true,get me the area(address)so that i go dey use am for 'evangelism things'

But joke apart,God of Chosen dey and na HIM be Jesus of Nazareth papa !

God help us

Attack the school for evading taxes(if they did) and not the church if you must be a fool to comment using insulting words!

Christ said,pay ur taxes as individuals and organisations,but to tax a church(an organism(the body) with Christ as the head) will be inappropriate cos it will mean they are being double taxed and besides,what are you taxing the church for ?
If the government needs them to pay taxes,let them go ahead and give ceasers' to ceaser ! Anyway that's not the issue here. The school should pay their tax if they are owing.Please don't call the church names becos they aren't the culprit here but the school and her employees who might not even be 'Christians' ! My attending a Christian school does not make me a christian so it is with a teacher or staff of a Christian school !

God help us

asco15: Well, as for me, the Lord's Chosen are preaching the truth and calling people to repentance. They have saved many sinners which i knew from their sins and made them born again in Christ Jesus.
Also, the righteous and holy life practised by Chosen members is worth emulating. They are always decent unlike other so called christians. The world will be a decent and holy place if every body is either a member of Chosen or Deeper life or Watchman, seriously.
But since the use of god of chosen is now questionable, the church should refrain from using 'god of chosen' and just use 'God almighty' or 'Jesus Christ' just like other churches, if they claim both are thesame.
Or must they use 'God of chosen? If they must, then it makes me wonder why
Pls pastor mouka, prove them wrong by stoping the use of 'god of chosen'. Since its not the source of your power, so as to clear the air. Tank you as you do so.
God Bless you.

You dey reason jare !
See below why i can confidently tell any one that i am a chosen and serve the God of Chosen even as i don't attend the Lord's Chosen church :
''But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.''-1 Peter 2:9

''They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called,chosen and faithful followers.”-Revelation 17:14

''Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.''-Romans 8:33

''But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth''- 2 Thessalonians 2:13

''You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.''-John 15:16

''In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.''-Mathew 24:22

''This letter is from Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I have been sent to proclaim faith to those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that shows them how to live godly lives.''-Titus 1:1

''So I am willing to endure anything if it will bring salvation and eternal glory in Christ Jesus to those God has chosen.''-2 Timothy 2:10

''Greetings from the children of your sister, chosen by God.''-2 John 1:13

''Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience.''-Colosians 3:12

''This letter is from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ.
I am writing to God’s chosen people who are living as foreigners in the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
May God give you more and more grace and peace.''-1 peter 1:1-2

''Even he rendered a just decision in the end. So don’t you think God will surely give justice to his chosen people who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off?''-Luke 18:7

''“My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have chosen for me, because they belong to you.''-John 17:9

''Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes. God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.''-Ephesians 1:4-5

''For you are a holy people, who belong to the Lord your God. Of all the people on earth, the Lord your God has chosen you to be his own special treasure.''-Deuteronomy 7:6
''For the Lord has chosen Jacob for himself,Israel for his own special treasure.''-Psalm 135:4
''So he brought his people out of Egypt with joy,
his chosen ones with rejoicing.''-Psalm 105:43

Now,from the above scriptures,i don't see why i should not call on the God of Chosen ? He is the God that created the heavens and earth,the God of Abraham,Isaac & Jacob.God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ.The God of the Chosen,there is a God that chooses, after all HE said we are a chosen generation this one is at Ijesha bus stop,a holy nation,this one na him be holy family for 22 road Festac town,a peculiar people,this one is at Olodi Apapa, a royal priesthood,i don't know where it is situated for now !
But if e come happen say the God of chosen wey pastor Laz they refer to no be the one mentioned in the bible up above,then him need to change if not,na hell things !

God help us

luluosas: Sorry I didn't see anywhere it says 'god of chosen'

You won't see it ! It's for those who are meant to see it !

God help us

mrakin: Mr m.k.o.2005

God no longer choose anyone to serve Him.
Read 1cor 13:8-13

i no get time for gramer on this issue abeg,but see the below words of Christ:
“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day.-John 6:44

God help us

36STATES: One day he will be draged and flogged in the street like a common thief he is, for all the hardship and nuisance he has and still causing motorist on Lagos Ibadan express way. The huge scam he's running at that evil camp warrants a visit from Boko Haram. The thief and his supporters are all guilty.

Some times i weep when i come across coments like this !
God,I thank you for saving me. Please save this one and his likes !

God help us

One speaker wrote:
''One woman wrote me and insisted: "I am a Christian, but as a Gentile I am not one of God's Chosen People." Be very careful, I told this precious lady. If you are not God's chosen, then you belong to Satan. Now answer me, dear friend: Are you chosen by God or are you of the household of Satan? It is one or the other. Think about it.''

God help us

If Laz Muoka is fake as the saying goes,it gladdens my soul for it goes to further qualify the words of Christ regarding fake prophets abounding on the last days !But if not,the accusations leveled against Christ(though looks and sounds true)ranging from being a sinner,adulterer,glutton,drunk,blasphemer,womanizer,the friend to rogues & prostitutes and also using the spirit of Beelzebub to wrought miracles but all the accusations never made HIM a fake after all !

THE GOD OF CHOSEN !
If it's proper to associate with this GOD(god),i think the below scriptures will teach us one or two things :

''But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.''-1 Peter 2:9
''They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”-Revelation 17:14
''Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies.''-Romans 8:33
''But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers and sisters loved by the Lord, because God chose you as firstfruits to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth''- 2 Thessalonians 2:13
''You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit—fruit that will last—and so that whatever you ask in my name the Father will give you.''-John 15:16
''In fact, unless that time of calamity is shortened, not a single person will survive. But it will be shortened for the sake of God’s chosen ones.''-Mathew 24:22
''This letter is from Paul, a slave of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ. I have been sent to proclaim faith to those God has chosen and to teach them to know the truth that shows them how to live godly lives.''-Titus 1:1
''So I am willing to endure anything if it will bring salvation and eternal glory in Christ Jesus to those God has chosen.''-2 Timothy 2:10
''Greetings from the children of your sister, chosen by God.''-2 John 1:13
''Since God chose you to be the holy people he loves, you must clothe yourselves with tenderhearted mercy, kindness, humility, gentleness, and patience.''-Colosians 3:12
''This letter is from Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ.
I am writing to God’s chosen people who are living as foreigners in the provinces of Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia.God the Father knew you and chose you long ago, and his Spirit has made you holy. As a result, you have obeyed him and have been cleansed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
May God give you more and more grace and peace.''-1 peter 1:1-2
''Even he rendered a just decision in the end. So don’t you think God will surely give justice to his chosen people who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off?''-Luke 18:7
''“My prayer is not for the world, but for those you have chosen for me, because they belong to you.''-John 17:9
''Even before he made the world, God loved us and chose us in Christ to be holy and without fault in his eyes. 5 God decided in advance to adopt us into his own family by bringing us to himself through Jesus Christ. This is what he wanted to do, and it gave him great pleasure.''-Ephesians 1:4-5
''For you are a holy people, who belong to the Lord your God. Of all the people on earth, the Lord your God has chosen you to be his own special treasure.''-Deuteronomy 7:6
''For the Lord has chosen Jacob for himself,Israel for his own special treasure.''-Psalm 135:4
''So he brought his people out of Egypt with joy,
his chosen ones with rejoicing.''-Psalm 105:43

Now,from the above scriptures,i don't see why i should not call on the God of Chosen ? He is the God that created the heavens and earth,the God of Abraham,Isaac & Jacob.God the father of our Lord Jesus Christ.The God of the Chosen, after all HE said we are a chosen generation[/b]this one is at Ijesha bus stop,[b]a holy nation,this one is at 22 road Festac town,a peculiar peaple,this one is at Olodi Apapa, a royal priesthood,i don't know where it is situated for now !
But if e come happen say the God of chosen wey pastor Laz they refer to no be the one mentioned in the bible up above,then him need to change if not,na hell things !
As for fake prophets,no be today becos dem yakpa for bible ! One example na the one wey tell Apostle paul say make him take small money from him hand give am small power wey him take they do miracle so that himself(fake prophet)go go they collect men from the other angle ! Don't be surprised or loose trust in God becos of small small rumors and accusations oo !

God help us again !

Paulscholari: This is so vexing and annoying..infact i dnt feel like hearing that title "pastor" anymore..this is so crazy.

You dey make me laugh ! You think say native doctors now dey stay for bush or deep inside one remote village!
DEM DON STOP THAT ONE TAY TAY ! Na pastor dem dey answer now. The title of this thread should hav been 'babalawo molest lady woman while conducting a spiritual bath for her'
Pastors no dey conduct spiritual bath.Baptism no be baff you hear ?

God help us

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When we talk about issues regarding religion we have to be careful, because it is one of the things that fragments our beliefs, our thoughts and our world at large. Much has been destroyed in this world on the basis of religion. Atheism is a form of religion, as is Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, Judaism and a horde of thousands of not-so-widely-known doctrines worldwide.

You would have read Ese Walter’s open confession on her affair with the senior pastor of COZA, Biodun Fatoyinbo. The matter has been thrown back and forth. Pastor Biodun has been flogged by comments from people who are thoroughly pissed at him. Ese Walter on the other hands has been reprimanded, comforted and even advised to go for ‘psychoanalysis’ as a particular commenter put it.

I didn’t intend to talk about this issue, but I have a thing or two to say on the matter:

1. ‘Men of God’ are still men:
However disappointing this may sound, it is sadly true. Being called a pastor does not take the chromosomes in your DNA and mutate you into an angel. A pastor is a title that can be likened to other political titles like Prime Minister, President and Governor. It is an office that you occupy based on your qualifications be it spiritual, academic, political or moral merits. That a ‘man of God’ is alleged to have been involved in a scathing scandal like this does not make him a “fake man of God’. While the Judas was widely known to have betrayed Jesus, his role or deed did not erase his popular office as being one of Jesus 12 disciples. You can’t mention the 12 disciples without mentioning Judas. This did not warrant him ever being called a ‘fake’ disciple. Any acclaimed clergyman can become the subject of a scandal. These people were not born with wings. Discipline is what drives their office and the decisions to be set apart towards the service of God and humanity.

2. ‘Men of God’ have encouraged people:
I have witnessed the lives of a lot of people change positively because they have had contact with a ‘man of God’. Drug addicts have become better people. Poor, homeless and destitute people have been helped. Young children have had their education sponsored by these men of God. The ‘unbridled and carefree tendencies’ of humanity have been somewhat checked by majority of these people. Open allegations like this destroy other people’s beliefs and faith.

3. Ese Walter was not the abused:
This is what I believe. How can you call one week of non-stop sex, abuse. Abuse is the improper usage or treatment of an entity, often to unfairly or improperly gain benefit. How can she call it abuse when she willingly consented? I am astound by how this confession has become a thing of sympathy. She must have enjoyed whatever she had and wanted more, so she kept going back. Consensual sex is enjoyable.

4. He who is without sin should cast the first stone:
The reason why this is generating so much ire is because he is called a senior pastor of a church. I am forced to wonder if Ese would have made a case on this, if he wasn’t a pastor. If he wasn’t just another rich, married man. I am forced to think about how much she holds marital values and if she had never dated a married man except the pastor. If you’ve never committed fornication before, If you’ve never committed adultery before, if you’ve never cheated on your partner or wife before, cast the first stone.

5. Pastor Biodun Fatoyinbo abused his office:
If the allegations are true, then one can say that the ‘man of God’ abused his office, the oath he took and the mantle placed on his hand. He can be said to have used the power of the position for the wrong motives. This has a ripple effect on all other people who occupy the same positions all over the world.

6. There is more than meets the eye:
Hey but you only heard a side of the story and you’re quick to judge. Listen to the other side of coin. Are there things Ese isn’t saying? Are there other things that transpired between them that have not been stated in her epistle? This is only how far you can know.

7. This is not a legal matter:
This is not a legal issue at all, except was on the grounds of rape. The only person that is expected to make a legal action is his wife, and that would be a case of filing for divorce on grounds of mutual infidelity. Ese enjoyed it thoroughly and regretted her actions

8. Religious leaders are the victims:
These are tough times for religious leaders all over the world. They have to watch their speech and thoughts all over the world. If you are a religious leader and you oppose same-sex marriage in America, you are seen as a demented opinionist who needs primary schooling on what human rights are. If you are seen wearing a turban on your head, you are closely watched because you are believed to have affiliations with terrorists all over the world. If you own a large church, you are believed to be deceiving people and using their hard-earned money to ‘live large’. The world believes that religious leaders should take the blow and remain silent even if they are innocent.

9. Go and sin no more:
The deed is done. Ese has regretted her actions. The ‘man of God’ involved is getting all the chastisement of his life. Names have been called. It’s time to move on. It’s not time to form a movement. It’s time to move forward for all ministries involved. Ese should move on with her life. The accused should look for ways to amend the damage and move his ministry forward. He will lose members but some will remain with him.

10. Let the institution be:
That the leader of COZA has faltered does not make the church an unholy place to worship. We must filter the institutions from the servants in the institutions and let them resolve their conflict as mature people. That a country has leaders who mismanage its funds does not make the all the citizens of the country corrupt. The international society and media do not understand this fact as well.

11. Wisdom is profitable to direct:
Just in case there’s another Ese Walter out there who is having an affair with a married man or another ‘man of God’, rather than destroying more than you can create, find ways of resolving the issues or have the courage to move on. What becomes of the Monica Lewinsky’s who try to battle the Clinton’s – nothing. The world moves on. You might be a Dominique Strauss-Kahn for a moment but your shame gets erased someday and tables turn. Whistle-blowing is awesome but you should always do it with wisdom.

Wisdom is profitable to direct. Don’t be another Edward Snowden.
Cheers!

By Segun Adekoye

Hi Ese,
Read through your story with a palpitating heart! Why ? I Never wanted the secretes as revealed by you to be much because I have always been a defender of the gospel and Christians generally even as i'm not a pastor & don't intend to be one by morrow.But at the end of your story,I was glad you did let it out,if not for your own relief but also for mine and the church,COZA !
Now see below my own confession:
I have always been a Christian who defends the gospel of Jesus, the holy bible, 'men of God', church members and anyone who believe that Jesus is Lord! I started doing this after i gave my life to Christ some 4/5yrs ago. I get tensed whenever i hear negative news emanating from the church or the pulpit itself. I believe i'm wired against any news i perceive to be anti church, pastor or Christians. But while I do all these I know right in my heart that God is what HE says HE is & HE is for real, heaven is real, Jesus saves and that the bible is the TRUE word of God. But in one part of my heart, harbors the knowledge that MOST TIMES the so called 'Christians'(pastors inclusive) I defend aren't really what they claim to be!
See below Scripture that made me to soft pedal on the defense of 'men of God':
Mathew 23:3''so practice and observe whatever they tell you—but not what they do. For they preach, but do not practice.''
From the above, these preachers might be preaching Christ but they certainly do not follow Christ!
For some of us like you Ese who might have been hurt one way or the other by some of these men who claim to be 'men of God' becos they put on suits and cassocks, I just want us to know that God is real, heaven is real and Jesus sure saves !
Human will be human and man will be man & remember that even in the man of God cliche,there is still man in it meaning they are imperfect irrespective of their words and 'piusity'. For some who say becos they aren’t Christians but muslims and that their imams, alphas or sheikhs do not indulge in such will only mean that it's either they are not truthful to their self or are just ignorant happenings withing their religion.Two of my friends once told me how a catholic priest and an anglican reverend earnestly begged them for sex at different times & a colleague of mine who is a muslim narrated to me her sex escapade and amorous advancement of her Islamic scholars.Consider other paedophilia cases in some churches and with some Islamic Scholars in the past and in recent times you will see that it has got nothing to do with church denomination but has got everything to do with religious leaders and those they lead!
Sometimes i wonder and asked like you Ese ‘why God should allow these things and not Just come end the world or could it be (like the atheists thought)that 'Jesus no longer saves ?
See below what the word is saying:
2 Peter 3:9''The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. Instead he is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.''
God wants’ us all to repent before the coming of HIS SON-Jesus !
Ese,the word of God said we should hold unto that which we have firmly if not,it will be taken away from us prior HIS coming.What is it that is likely to be taken away from us? See below:
Luke 13:5’’No,I tell you; unless you repent, you will all likewise perish’’
Now Ese,Jesus said he will fight for you and all others like you who are HIS becos you have repented of your sins. See below what He said concerning fighting for you but how faithful will you be by the time HE returns?
Luke 18:8''I tell you, he will grant justice to them quickly! But when the Son of Man returns, how many will he find on the earth who have faith?"
As for the so called man of God,see what God is saying concerning him:
1 Thessalonians 4:4-8
‘’It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God; and that in this matter no one should wrong or take advantage of a brother or sister.The Lord will punish all those who commit such sins, as we told you and warned you before. For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life. Therefore, anyone who rejects this instruction does not reject a human being but God, the very God who gives you his Holy Spirit''
To conclude on all these Ese,now that you have exposed this 'tare' in the body of Christ and this u said u did for you to be free, kudos to you as ‘you received ur freedom.’ Seek Jesus NOW for you to be completely healed so you do not further hurt yourself, others and the body of Christ! If you had Jesus, the story would have been different today! Drop the smoking and drinking habit. Try Jesus out, HE will heal you completely, ‘pastors’ don’t heal but THE WORD sure does!
For those of you who got disappointed and feel like loosing ur grip on God by no longer fellowshipping with believers as Christ demands,I tell you that you are fulfilling Mathew 24:10-13
‘’At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people.12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved’’
You can see from the above that you will only end up hurting yourself on the long run ! The devil is happy with what is going on today in Christendom and wants’ many to be atheists(picking picking up tickets for hell) becos they placed their trust and hope on their popes, bishops, priests, prophets, pastors and fellow Christians. Mathew 24:12 S[b]AYS THAT ON THE LAST DAYS INIQUITIES SHALL ABOUND AND THE LOVE OF MANY WILL WAX COLD ![/b]
Put ur trust in God and HIS word alone. All humans are fallible but the word of God cannot change or fail!
Mathew 7:21-24''“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
“Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and puts them into practice is like a wise man who built his house on the rock''

Jesus is real, HE saves and He is coming back again !

God help us all

Pattey: Yes! They must be perfect. If not, what differentiates them from I, the regular worshiper?

They are there to teach you the word and not to teach you their life styles !
Pastor don cast e don cast no be the word of God cast so,we must continue with our work with God !
See below wetin Jesus tell us concerning all these 'bad guys(pastors)wey no gree change:
Mathew 23:1-3''Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The teachers of religious law and the Pharisees are the official interpreters of the law of Moses. S[b]o practice and obey whatever they tell you, but don’t follow their example. For they don’t practice what they teach.[/b]''
It's not possible for them to be perfect. They can only struggle to be but can't !

GOD HELP US

frosbel: Contributions were made to support missionary work and help others, never for the enrichment and aggrandised lifestyles of your so called 'MOG' who pocket church collections for themselves or pet projects , which has nothing to do with helping the needy.

Jesus said , at the onset of his ministry that he had nowhere to lay his head, Paul made tents with his bare hands and was supported during his missionary visits to other cities, not for a better life style , but for the preaching of the Kingdom gospel.

You are sorely deceived.

Since Jesus had no where to lay HIS head like you rightly quoted,are you inferring that if you preach or pastor today you should have no where to lay ur head as well ?
You mentioned Apostle paul who made tents to support himself,meaning if more had come from making tents he would had still given thanks to God.Ministers have the right to receive gifts and cash from the people they are pastoring and they have the right not to accept as well as receiving these gifts never make them sinners and rejecting it will never be counted against them as well.
To also show you that Paul believed in material compensation for spiritual work,see below scriptur:
1 Cor. 9:11“If we have sown spiritual things among you, is it too much if we reap material things from you?”
1 Cor. 9:14 and “the Lord commanded that those who proclaim the gospel should get their living by the gospel”.
To the Galatians, Paul wrote, “One who is taught the word must share all good things with the one who teaches” (Gal. 6:6 ESV).
In keeping with that principle, Paul received material support from the church in Philippi:
Phil. 4:15-18
''And you Philippians yourselves know that in the beginning of the gospel, when I left Macedonia, no church entered into partnership with me in giving and receiving, except you only. Even in Thessalonica you sent me help for my needs once and again. . . . I have received full payment, and more. I am well supplied, having received from Epaphroditus the gifts you sent ''
Paul has the right to reject these gifts as well but at these very instances,he received them. It depends on what you make out of the scriptures. I choose to remain positive with the word of God and not to be antagonistic like you Frosbel! Giving is scriptural and it did not start today and no be today we start to dey get fake pastors,them don dey there since Jesus' time and stop telling us what we know. We study our bible and have the spirit to discern as well. No be you go teach us at all ! If you think we are been foolish,let it be cos we have decided to be foolish for/with the things of God no be today !
Na God go fight our battle no be you Frosbel !

God help us

chagga: God of men: Why Pastor Biodun and NOT Ese Walter is to be blamed for this scandal! by Kehinde Olabintan



The nature of Pentecostal Christianity is that Pastors usually act as the gatekeeper to the trinity of God the Father, Jesus the Son and Holy Spirit. Yet Jesus died so people could have a personal relationship with God through HIM, not through Pastors. Yet this is what popular religion in Nigeria has evolved to. I think it has some correlation to the way our ancestors worshiped when they worshiped, there exists in us a subconscious need for gatekeepers, mainly because we as individuals do not feel able or worthy to contact the Lord directly, and in my opinion that is what gives Pentecostal pastors such IMMENSE power. A power Jesus claimed for himself.

One denomination i know too well that lack respect for their 'men of God' is the Pentecostal denomination ! They have to go learn how to respect/reverence their MOGs from their catholic counterparts !

Pastor sinned and should go to God,sort himself out with HIM ! We weren't there when God called him,(if he was called by God)when he sinned and will most likely not be there when he will reconcile with God !
Just know that the gift of God knows no repentance !
As for Ese,you don try to free urself but do let the devil free you by accepting Jesus as ur lord and personal saviour !

God bless us all

One denomination i know too well that lack respect for their 'men of God' is the Pentecostal denomination ! They have to go learn how to respect/reverence their MOGs from their catholic counterparts !

Pastor sinned and should go to God,sort himself out with HIM ! We weren't there when God called him,(if he was called by God)when he sinned and will most likely not be there when he will reconcile with God !
Just know that the gift of God knows no repentance !
As for Ese,you don try to free urself but do let the devil free you by accepting Jesus as ur lord and personal saviour !

God bless us all

frosbel: You are sorely deceived !

The women who contributed financially in the book of Luke 8:1-3 to Jesus' Ministry were sorely deceived also ?

God will help u for sure ! Men's 1 million like isn't close to a single nod from God !

God help us all

frosbel: I am only saying that you or your MOG should stop stealing money and turning the house of GOD into a den of robbers.

Will you call Jesus a thief from the below when even women contributed to HIS ministry ?

God no dey eat money !

See below weting God dey do with money becos na so Jesus take use money grin
Luke 8:1-3''Soon afterward Jesus began a tour of the nearby towns and villages, preaching and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom of God. He took his twelve disciples with him, 2 along with some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases. Among them were Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons; 3 Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s business manager; Susanna; and many others who were contributing from their own resources to support Jesus and his disciples.
From the above,if Jesus can allow people to support HIS ministry financially,why are you FROSBEL,KUN and the rest vexing? Una say pastors dem don jazz us abi ? Na so Jesus take Jazz those women wey dey support HIM work financially ba !

God will not Judge you but will rescue all of una !

God help us

Hebunn: Each time I see stories like this, one thing comes to my mind... The devil wants to discourage people from going to church. I don't worship pastors, and I'm nt a church fanatic... But no matter the scandals, God will forever remain God, and He's forever faithful. So the earlier people know this, the better for us all. Anytime I walk by a news stand and I see all those soft sell magazines that claim to expose church scandals, I quickly take my eyes off them. I'm not denying the fact that these scandals truly occur, but I don't wanna be discouraged. I've experienced God, and I BELIEVE in Him, so I won't be deterred by such negative stuffs. Opinions are mine, pls... God helps us all.

I am so madly in love with this person ! I have same vision with you. I need to know you well becos we can actually rob minds in Christ! Which one we never hear ! From pedophilia cases to homoxesuality,from robery to ritual cases,From political to murder from divorce to adultery and now fornication again all in churches ! These ones never reach for a born again to denounce his/her bornagainism ! But we no go denounce and we no go encourage baby Christians to continue to dey dey discouraged becos no be all these men on suits and long long gowns we dey follow but Jesus HIMSELF !

God help us

frosbel: Does God eat money ?

If not , who is the money for anyway ?

God no dey eat money !

See below weting God dey do with money becos na so Jesus take use money
Luke 8:1-3''Soon afterward Jesus began a tour of the nearby towns and villages, preaching and announcing the Good News about the Kingdom of God. He took his twelve disciples with him, 2 along with some women who had been cured of evil spirits and diseases. Among them were Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons; 3 Joanna, the wife of Chuza, Herod’s business manager; Susanna; and many others who were contributing from their own resources to support Jesus and his disciples.
From the above,if Jesus can allow people to support HIS ministry financially,why are you FROSBEL,KUN and the rest vexing? Una say pastors dem don jazz us abi ? Na so Jesus take Jazz those women wey dey support HIM work financially ba !

God will not Judge you but will rescue all of una !

God help us

frosbel: The tither, the widows, the alien, the orphan , the levite and the poor.

surprisingly the above listed rarely tithe becos they are impoverished !
Even if they do,they give peanuts !(1k & 2k monthly )I don't mean to insult anyone becos i might even be among these impoverished members up above and i know we are not good tithers

God go help u as you dey go round they challenge HIS word and HIS men ! Their are bad and false prophets becos we have the good and true prophets of God !
The devil does not counterfeit fake but original !

God help us

Nichobabe: Very true my brother but at least use the wealth to bless the poor in the society and let love flow around. There are too many suffering in this part of the world for a pastor to be riding on Private Jets (some have 3 or more). T[b]hats why some people are in love with T.B Joshua because he gives out.[/b]

Some people also say T.B Joshua is a scam and fetish that's the reason he gives out ! If you are scared to go to go to T/B Joshua's church please go there and see also that there are lot's and lot's of poor people there too ! There is nothing we can do concerning that ! If i give to the poor and am not a follower of Christ it makes no meaning at all ! Those who follow Christ give and they need not advertise it at all but if you advertise it,it does not mean that you have done what no one else has ever done ! Be guided bro. You can be angry but do not engage in sinful act as a result of your anger.

God help us

Pastor Kun: @mko2005
This thread must really be pricking your dead conscience the way you are ranting, issuing threats and making noise all over the thread

@Frosbel
Keep up the good work, all fraudsters taking advantage of the flock of God must be exposed.

I no be pastor,my papa no be pastor,non of my relatives be reverend or pastor,infact the church wey i dey attend the pastor no come from my tribe but i sure know say i no want make Christians fall off the faith and for Frosbel,i no kuku wish am hell so why i no warn and advise !

God see say me want make all come to repentance and not antagonizing the people wey they try their best

God help us

frosbel: I rebuke your threats , they are empty, out of context and ungodly.

See below what God is saying to any pastor or anyone who defrauds their brethren:
I thesalonian 4:6''That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified''

Now even if these men wey be pastors they defraud us,na God hand e dey to avenge our case and no be FROSBEL HAND for Frosbel will end up cursing himself into hell if he continues this way !
See below what God is telling you Frosbel :
Mathew 12:36''But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment''
See below for urself what 'idle words'means :
“idle words”?
It means that when we speak to others, without seasoning our words with grace to honor the Lord, we have wasted those words. Every believer is expected to hold forth the word of life, i.e., the good news of Jesus Christ crucified, buried and risen ! Anything other than the above,have to be subjected to below conditions before it can be uttered :
Phillipians 4:8''Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is good report, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things''
See below the words of Frosbel and compare for urselves if they have the above in them :
''Any Pastor who asks you to hope for Money instead of working for Money is a rogue''-You are calling people rogues that have not even been found guilty ?
''Any Pastor who preaches on Money more than any other subject is definitely a crook''.You call him a crook becos he preaches about money or the word of God ! Which is urs amongst the two,the money or the word ?
''Any Pastor who calls poverty a disease instead of an opportunity to do charity is a crook. He is a crook becos he calls poverty a disease ! Which is yours,the poverty or the disease ?
''Any Pastor who lives in a mansion worth millions , while a father in the church cannot pay his house rent and bills has to be a charlatan.''-The pastor is a charlatan just becos he is yet to render financial assistance to all the impoverished members of the church !
''Any Pastor who is close friends to politicians and dubious business men is a compromiser [/b]and Demas.''-Again you cursed him becos he is yet to win over his dubious bizness men and politicians to Christ ! The exact words you used for Christ when he dined and wined with sinners !'' And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “[b]This man receives sinners and eats with them.”
In all these your quotes above,if you think they are noble,lovely,of good report,pure and excellent,you can go ahead with it as i wish you 'well'in your future endeavor !

God help us

See below what God is saying to any pastor or anyone who defrauds their brethren:
I thesalonian 4:6''That no man go beyond and defraud his brother in any matter: because that the Lord is the avenger of all such, as we also have forewarned you and testified''

Now even if these men wey be pastors they defraud us,na God hand e dey to avenge our case and no be FROSBEL HAND for Frosbel will end up cursing himself into hell if he continues this way !
See below what God is telling you Frosbel :
Mathew 12:36''But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment''
See below for urself what 'idle words'means :
“idle words”?
It means that when we speak to others, without seasoning our words with grace to honor the Lord, we have wasted those words. Every believer is expected to hold forth the word of life, i.e., the good news of Jesus Christ crucified, buried and risen ! Anything other than the above,have to be subjected to below conditions before it can be uttered :
Phillipians 4:8''Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is good report, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things''
See below the words of Frosbel and compare for urselves if they have the above in them :
''Any Pastor who asks you to hope for Money instead of working for Money is a rogue''-You are calling people rogues that have not even been found guilty ?
''Any Pastor who preaches on Money more than any other subject is definitely a crook''.You call him a crook becos he preaches about money or the word of God ! Which is urs amongst the two,the money or the word ?
''Any Pastor who calls poverty a disease instead of an opportunity to do charity is a crook. He is a crook becos he calls poverty a disease ! Which is yours,the poverty or the disease ?
''Any Pastor who lives in a mansion worth millions , while a father in the church cannot pay his house rent and bills has to be a charlatan.''-The pastor is a charlatan just becos he is yet to render financial assistance to all the impoverished members of the church !
''Any Pastor who is close friends to politicians and dubious business men is a compromiser [/b]and Demas.''-Again you cursed him becos he is yet to win over his dubious bizness men and politicians to Christ ! The exact words you used for Christ when he dined and wined with sinners !'' And the Pharisees and the scribes grumbled, saying, “[b]This man receives sinners and eats with them.”
In all these your quotes above,if you think they are noble,lovely,of good report,pure and excellent,you can go ahead with it as i wish you 'well'in your future endeavor !

God help us

So good of him !
He is definitely the true 'son of daddy G.O' saving for the advert Next time no advert please because daddy G.O no dey advertise him own !
Wishing you God's speed in the recovering things !

God help us

All cheers goes to Frosbel ! All hail Frosbel because he is in the 'MINISTRY OF EXPOSING' CHURCHES THE ROMAN CATHOLICS INCLUSIVE !
Fellow Christians who care to listen,do not fall to the wiles of the devil ! The devil is tricky and uses all means to dissuade Christians off their faith.
Now there is a fad ongoing which is currently aimed at churches and men of God and even our own so called Christian brothers and sisters allow themselves to be used by the devil to push Christians off what they believe in.
Some are doomed and destroyed already and most of them are aware but they have crossed their hearts that since they are not going to heaven,they will also stop as many as possible from going to heaven !
What this writer by name Frosbel has put up here is nothing but a 'piece from the pit of hel'l ! This write up will not edify ur spirit but will make you doubt what you already have. No doubt there are fake pastors as Christ already told us in HIS word and if there aren't any today it will mean that Christ lied to us.But to condemn a pastor because He lives in good house,drives good cars or fly's in a jet means hatred of the highest order !
This same Frosbel prior to this time called some pastors 'wretched' who preached to him and told him that God will supply all his needs according to HIS riches in glory by Christ Jesus(Philippians 4:19) and he asked them why haven't God supplied theirs first ? why do they still trek and don't ride in luxury cars or could it be that they don't desire good things ? They were also challenged regarding the nature or condition of their foot wears(shoes don chop alignment!)
My catholic friends,don't click like,hailing the OP for he is no friend of the Catholics either !Check his write ups concerning the roman catholics and you will understand what i mean.All these is to make every one of us who profess Christ to be weary and probably become atheists and pick up a ticket straight into hell !
The only group(s) who should be happy are the muslims,pagans,atheists,agnostics and their likes ! This is so because they are looking for nothing more but the negatives concerning true Christians !Have you wondered why this post 'sharperly' made it to the front page ? It is negative news concerning Christians !
Christians open your eyes as i leave you with the below:
Mathew 25:29''‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’'
The truth below about false prophets :
Mathew 24:24''For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.''
So many today are working for the devil either knowingly or unknowingly !

GOD HELP US

musa ajebor: Tank u IP 4 ur contributions to xtianity.dis op is not destroying xtainity instead he is taking it back to its original form.
But na tru say sheep no get sense.

How sheep go get sense ? When Jesus the lamb of God dey waka go slaughter house him show say HIM get sense ? I be sheep i no get sense but i dey go heaven !

God help us

Lordlexy: @frosbel. Is it scriptural to give or not? When you give, are you giving to God or to your? Are there blessings attached to your giving as stated in the scriptures or not? Giving is a spiritual exercise commanded by God for our upliftment both spiritually and financially. Those who give, myself inclusive do not see ourselves as poor ppl, we give in obedience because that is the established avenue that God set aside to bless us. Whatever they pastors does with the money is btw them and God. Have you ever taking time to find out the quality of testimony in the church as a result of our giving? We give because we are rich, and riches is not only define by your material possession but the quality of your spiritual well being which always translate to material prosperity. Money left in the hands of the ungodly will fight the propagation of the gospel. And who told you that members that give are poor? You can give when you are poor. We give because we are the rich kids of a rich God discovering our riches. Beside no one is force to give. Why would you talk ill about something that is not compulsory? If don't believe in giving, pls don't give and don't talk against it. And who told you churches don't do charity work? In Christ embassy, we have the inner city mission where we cater for the less privilage ones and so many others. And in Winners, they give bursary to wards of widows, pls get your facts right. And lastly, most of the pastors get gifts from members that God has blessed. Be careful what you say.

No mind Frosbel,him be like some people here wey get Judas Iscariot mentality ! Wey no gree make Jesus use better perfume for him body but them one sell the perfume(oil) go use the money by things for the poor ! For their heart of hearts,them no dey think poor people own but them dey vex say man of God dey flex and WHY ?
Ask am say since wey him become man,how many times him don help the poor

God help us

hadtim: . GOD bless u. I take my tithe to an orphanage near my house. It goes a long way there

That's no tithe bro but it's also a kingdom practice !
Wether you give tithe or not,pastors go flex and the word of God go dey spread like wild fire
The early roman catholics gave no tithe but them still travel far with their gospel

God help us

frosbel: So at least you agree the others who have the opportunity to steal are thieves , no ?

God will Judge you for twisting HIS word and causing so many to fall of their faith in God !

Mathew 12:36'' I tell you, son the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak''
@FROSBEL,KEEP ON INSULTING THEM AND SAYING THINGS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT,you will sure give account of all your spoken and written words !
You don't have to pray for God to judge your enemies, because He has already promised to do so (Romans 12:19). God will judge each and every human being for the good and bad they do. There will be different judgments, one for the saved (2nd Corinthians 5:10-11) and another for the unsaved (Revelation 20:11-15).
God will judge men even for the wasted words they have spoken. How much more shall God judge those who utter hurtful words, or hateful words, or words that cause injury to others.

Be guided Frosbel ! Speak only edifying words and not false that you think is the truth !
See below words of God :
1 Corinthians 10:12''If you think you are standing strong, be careful not to fall.''
Romans 16:17-18:
17 ''And now I make one more appeal, my dear brothers and sisters. Watch out for people who cause divisions and upset people’s faith by teaching things contrary to what you have been taught. Stay away from them. 18 Such people are not serving Christ our Lord; they are serving their own personal interests''
From the above,Frosbel the op might be serving his own personal interest(to fight Christianity pretending to be a Christian)or might be serving or furthering the interest of the devil knowingly or unknowingly !

God help us

All cheers goes to Frosbel ! All hail Frosbel because he is in the 'MINISTRY OF EXPOSING' CHURCHES THE ROMAN CATHOLICS INCLUSIVE !
Fellow Christians who care to listen,do not fall to the wiles of the devil ! The devil is tricky and uses all means to dissuade Christians off their faith.
Now there is a fad ongoing which is currently aimed at churches and men of God and even our own so called Christian brothers and sisters allow themselves to be used by the devil to push Christians off what they believe in.
Some are doomed and destroyed already and most of them are aware but they have crossed their hearts that since they are not going to heaven,they will also stop as many as possible from going to heaven !
What this writer by name Frosbel has put up here is nothing but a 'piece from the pit of hel'l ! This write up will not edify ur spirit but will make you doubt what you already have. No doubt there are fake pastors as Christ already told us in HIS word and if there aren't any today it will mean that Christ lied to us.But to condemn a pastor because He lives in good house,drives good cars or fly's in a jet means hatred of the highest order !
This same Frosbel prior to this time called some pastors 'wretched' who preached to him and told him that God will supply all his needs according to HIS riches in glory by Christ Jesus(Philippians 4:19) and he asked them why haven't God supplied theirs first ? why do they still trek and don't ride in luxury cars or could it be that they don't desire good things ? They were also challenged regarding the nature or condition of their foot wears(shoes don chop alignment!)
My catholic friends,don't click like,hailing the OP for he is no friend of the Catholics either !Check his write ups concerning the roman catholics and you will understand what i mean.All these is to make every one of us who profess Christ to be weary and probably become atheists and pick up a ticket straight into hell !
The only group(s) who should be happy are the muslims,pagans,atheists,agnostics and their likes ! This is so because they are looking for nothing more but the negatives concerning true Christians !Have you wondered why this post 'sharperly' made it to the front page ? It is negative news concerning Christians !
Christians open your eyes as i leave you with the below:
Mathew 25:29''‘For to everyone who has, more will be given, and he will have abundance; but from him who does not have, even what he has will be taken away. And cast the unprofitable servant into the outer darkness. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’' (No let Frosbel write up take ur small believe away from you o)
The truth below about false prophets :
Mathew 24:24''For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.''
So many today are working for the devil either knowingly or unknowingly !

GOD HELP US