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buchilino:
COME TO THINK OF IT I WONDER WHO CHANNELS THE PRAYERS OF MUSLIMS, BUDDHA PRIEST TRADITIONALISTS ETC. I WONDER WHICH EASY CHANNEL THEY R FOLLOWING.
JUST WONDERING huh

The idolatry of some made them to accept other idol worshipers ! No one says you should condemn them but show them the truth! Some think fraternizing with muslims and other idol or ignorant god worshipers will make them to be free from insults and accusations by their likes -NO,even the muslims sees you as an idol worshipper when you do all these things to Mary !

God help us

gsalvatore: ...Now what if on the final day God says its the Jews or Muslims or Buddists that are his people just like we christains believe to be. Have you thought of something in this line before?

If it happened that way,then it will mean that Jesus is a liar ! And if you believe it can happen that way,then you are saying Jesus lied to the Christians right ? Hold on to the word of God !
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.-John 14:6
If HE said HE is THE way(not a way)then there is no other way !

God help us

italo: Why should I leave the Church Jesus founded 2000yrs ago and go to a shop that a man opened a few years back?

Jesus founded the roman catholic church 2000yrs ago, made peter ur 'first pope' and gave him a wife right ?

I don tire, even people wey suppose know better no even know ! If una no know na muslims,atheists,agnostics,buddhists and shintoists go know ? Anyway some body say make we leave una to una religion. If to say na Christianity e be una for atleast with the relationship with Christ know better !

God help us

We have dwelt long on this mountain and God desires that we move forward !
For front page things,lets consider ur prophet a little just to balance this discussion. MOds please take this to the fron page if not,i will personal go and invite all to this section(religion) !

Jesus is mentioned 97 times in the quran -Why ?
And several hundreds of times in the bible !-Amazing

mohammed is mentioned only 25 times in the quran ! Reason should be becos the god a.llah is what the people needs !
mohammed was NOT mentioned even a single time in the bible yet you guys claim the Almighty God knows a,llah or ur quran !

The reason for this comparison,hoped to commence on the front page is to see how the mere man mohamad is greater than the Son of the Most High God the creator of the heavens and earth !
Sorry we have to go this way becos you guys have failled to provide me authentic evidence(s)disputing the sonship of Jesus Christ !

God help us

lanrexlan: Lanrexlan please.
What makes it man-made? I believe and worship the one and only true God,who begets not nor was he begotten,there's none comparable to him,the Creator of the heavens and earth who never slumbers nor rest,never drinks blood nor eat flesh.Is this man-made belief?

You choose to remain a slave to ur god right ! My Own God says i am a son ! A good son surely serves ! But i am a son you can continue as a slave to ur muslim god !
WE don't serve the same God period ! Remain with ur god if u so desire ! But God please have mercy on these muslims ! I am not begging them but warning them but for YOU LORD,HAVE MERCY ON THEM !

GOD HELP US

tbaba,tell the muslim mods to take this to the front page let me do God's work there please !

God help me !

lanrexlan: Not that he chose Israel,he knew only Israel amongst all nations in the world.
Amos 3:1-2 (KJV) -Hear this word that the LORD hath spoken against you,O children of Israel,against the whole family which I brought up from the land of Egypt,saying You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities..
Lolz,engage me please.
David is also a begotten son of God[Psalms 2:7].
Romans 8:14- For as many(not only gentiles)led by the spirit of God,they are sons of God.

Jesus rejected being good

Which father is invisible?Amos 9:1 (NIV) -I saw the Lord standing by the altar.
Exodus 33:11 (NIV) -The LORD would speak to Moses face to face,as a man speaks with his friend.Then Moses would return to the camp,but his young aide Joshua son of Nun did not leave the tent.
Exodus 24:9-11 (NIV) -Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu,and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire,clear as the sky itself.But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites;they saw God,and they ate and drank.
The word only begotten has been thrown out of the Revised Standard Version of the bible,revised by Dr. C I Scofield and other 32 christian scholars of the highest eminence.They said it has no basis in the greek manuscript.
John 3:16 (RSV) -For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son,that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

I would rather be a slave like Jesus prostrating myself in prayers[Matthew 26:39,Matthew 14:23].
Lolz,so all those grave errors and unscientific proofs in the bible was avoided in the Quran right?
Surah Yunus 10:38- Or do they said He has fabricated it? Say:Bring then a chapter like it and call upon whomsoever you can besides Allah if you are truthfull.....Peace

You no even know wetin dey do you ! I have explained all the old testament scriptures you put forward and shown you reasons why i am called a christian and why i am not one who practices Judaism and yet you repeat all the text back to me! I never show you how God take transform us from HIS old lwas into the new covenant in Christ Jesus ? You go still go back to those old quotes again. You one win arguement abi ? I dey wait for ur oga tbaba ! You no qualify at all !

God help us

tbaba1234: Lol, lots of ranting but zero facts... Imagine someone even copying from an anti-Islam website.

I was very fair in my assessment of everything, this is what i wrote on the gospel of barnabas:

This is left as the last because it is controversial. There is evidence of a gospel of barnabas in early Christendom but there is no guarantee that what we have today as the gospel of barnabas is the same one. It remains an open question as to whether or not the book that is presently identified as being the Gospel of Barnabas is the same Gospel of Barnabas identified in the Decree of Gelasius. (A) Schneemelcher W: General Introduction. In Hennecke E, Schneemelcher W, Wilson RM (1963). B) Platt RH, Brett JA.)

Mintayo, There are obvious historical records of it, in the Decree of Gelsius, so there was a gospel of barnabas, I gave quite a number of references to attest to it. I guess you should google it, instead of calling me a liar.

I clearly stated that why we have may or may not be the one.

I think that is a balanced view.

All I see here, is lots of ranting with little substance.

Historically, I have shown sufficiently, that the early christians were divided on the issue. If early Christians were so sharply divided on this issue, then it raises a serious problem for the christian today.

Instead , some people are missing the point.

The early christian churches chose those books as their scripture because they were convinced it was the words of God.

They had their reasons, too. They must have been convincing to them.

As regards the Quran, I would encourage you to first read it in translation first, and not visit anti-islam sites for your information.

Bring me something else !
Wether you accept that they are apocryphal or not does not make any difference. I have told you they are not inspired words of God you are here telling me that some people used it and for that reason it must be the word of God ! Imagine you telling me becos you believe the quran and use it at the same time then it MUST be the inspired words of God ! How lay that is !
Give me facts and not false evidences ! I need canonical evidences please ! You are here accusing people of going to anti islamic sites to bring up quotation to clearly xplain how demonic the islamic religion is and at the same time you are guilty of same !Bringing evidences from anti-God write up to support ur points ! You make me laugh.
I have shown you reasons why ur source(s) as evidence isn't factual and good enough to be quoted,yet you still hold on to error or non factual claims !
See also below reasons the apocryphal including the quran never passed the test to be included as inspired books:

1.Not one of them is in the Hebrew language, which was alone used by the inspired historians and poets of the Old Testament.
2.Not one of the writers lays any claim to inspiration.
3.These books were never acknowledged as sacred Scriptures by the Jewish Church, and therefore were never sanctioned by our Lord.
4.They were not allowed a place among the sacred books, d[b]uring the first four centuries of the Christian Church.[/b]
They contain fabulous statements, and statements which contradict not only the canonical Scriptures, but themselves;
5.The Apocrypha inculcates doctrines at variance with the Bible,
6.It teaches immoral practices, such as lying, suicide, assassination and magical incantation.
7.The apocryphal books themselves make reference to what we call the Silent 400 years, where there was no prophets of God to write inspired materials.
8.Some Apocryphal books, though written as history, are actually fiction. This is a form of deception not found in divinely inspired books of the Bible
9.The Apocryphal writings are not quoted by the Lord Jesus or the Apostles, while every part of the O.T. Scriptures are quoted. This is a very important point.
10.In quality and style, the Apocryphal books are not on the level of Bible writings. Even a hurried reading of the Apocryphal books reveals the fact that here we are touching the uninspired writings of men apart from divine inspiration. These writings are not "God breathed.
11. They do not claim to be the inspired Word of God. Unlike the inspired Scriptures, the Apocryphal books contain no statements such as "thus saith the Lord" or "these are the words of God.
12.They were not received as inspired Scripture by the churches during the first four centuries after Christ.
13. They are not included in the original Hebrew O.T. preserved by the Jews. Rom. 3:1-2 states that God used the Jews to preserve His Word; therefore, we know that He guided them in the rejection of the Apocryphal books from the canon of Scripture.
14. The Apocryphal books were rejected from the canon of Scripture by the early church leaders. "It is a significant fact that the best of the early Fathers adopted the Hebrew canon as giving the authoritative Scriptures of the O.T
15.While it is possible that the N.T. writers were familiar with the Apocrypha, it is plain that they did not directly quote from these books. The supposed allusions to the Apocrypha in the N.T. could just as easily be allusions to other O.T. histories or to facts given directly by revelation.

Yes it is true that some Apocryphal books do have historical value, giving information regarding the inter-testament "quiet years" prior to the coming of Christ, there is no justification for giving these a place in the Holy Scripture. Their proper place is on the same level as (if not lower than) the writings of the historian Josephesus or of some other uninspired writer of that period or even after the period like mohamad and the quran !
tbaba,after going through the above,if you ask me again why i sould not accept the apocryphal and quran ehn,i will knock ur head lol..Pardon me if i offended you ooo.na joke i dey joke !

God help us

JesusisLord85: Lol@killing pigeon.
But you must remember that the sacrificial system is done away with because there is no temple mount. Just as I say I cannot tithe a church pastor in the OT sense because he is not a levite. That does not mean I do not tithe, I just mean I am not trying to meet the requirements of the law in doing so.
When Paul talks about the blood of bulls not being enough, you do know he is talking about the Yom Kippur aka Day of atonement, sacrifice only? That other sacrifices were for reconcilliation, while the day of atonement is a different type altogether, for cleansing of sins, hence it is the most holy day for the Jews. I think I will do a study on NL on this also.
Note that Ezekiel and Revelation show that the daily sacrificial system will return during Christ's Millenium reign.

You just killed me with the highlighted above ! I tithe also but at will not based on the old law ! I tithe out of love for God and HIS word and the desire to see the kingdom reign and extend to all via t.v messages and sponsoring missions!
Let us see something little concerning the blood of the bulls and wether they are still needed today or when Christ will return !
Hebrews 9:1-15 should be considered for us to draw a conclusion regarding the sacrifices like you mentioned above. See below what animal sacrifices did before the comming of Jesus and what the blood of Jesus achieved for us once and for all:
Now the first covenant had regulations for worship and also an earthly sanctuary. 2 A tabernacle was set up. In its first room were the lampstand and the table with its consecrated bread; this was called the Holy Place. 3 Behind the second curtain was a room called the Most Holy Place, 4 which had the golden altar of incense and the gold-covered ark of the covenant. This ark contained the gold jar of manna, Aaron’s staff that had budded, and the stone tablets of the covenant. 5 Above the ark were the cherubim of the Glory, overshadowing the atonement cover. But we cannot discuss these things in detail now.

6 When everything had been arranged like this, the priests entered regularly into the outer room to carry on their ministry. 7 But only the high priest entered the inner room, and that only once a year, and never without blood, which he offered for himself and for the sins the people had committed in ignorance. 8 The Holy Spirit was showing by this that the way into the Most Holy Place had not yet been disclosed as long as the first tabernacle was still functioning. 9 This is an illustration for the present time, indicating that the gifts and sacrifices being offered were not able to clear the conscience of the worshiper. 10 They are only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings—external regulations applying until the time of the new order.

The Blood of Christ as the highest and the final Blood !

11 But when Christ came as high priest of the good things that are now already here, he went through the greater and more perfect tabernacle that is not made with human hands, that is to say, is not a part of this creation. 12 He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption. 13 The blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkled on those who are ceremonially unclean sanctify them so that they are outwardly clean. 14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death,[c] so that we may serve the living God!

15 For this reason Christ is the mediator of a new covenant, that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance—now that he has died as a ransom to set them free from the sins committed under the first covenant.
It is finished and we do not need any other sacrifice now and later !

God help us

Mintayo: i was actually shocked to c d similarities btw all those books tbaba mentioned and d quran when i researched abt some of dem...and yet he wants us to believ dem...smh!
The more they talk the more they r showing to us that we do not serve d Same God,mba!
No matter how much u explain'd begotten Son' to lanre,it will only take God for him to believe...so many of us have done that to him in so many threads!
The spirit(s) behind islam 'gidi gan',it will only take the Spirit of Jesus to cast (them) out!
May d Lord reveal Himself to them!

Mintayo,i don't talk tough when it comes to religion and Christianity which is a relationship with Christ.
I try always to preach love becos i know when you try to teach the people,it might sound hard or tough on them ! But the word of God says; 'HE LOVES US AND THAT IS THE REASON HE CHASTISES/CORRECT'S US' ! He corrects us becos HE loves us. So my muslim brothers,if i hurt you for this very explanations/corections,please forgive me for God will also forgive all ur heresies !
Mintayo,may you and others who allow Christ to be the Lord of your life not be found wanting when HE shall return to take HIS bride home in Jesus name...Amen

God help us

TODAY NA TODAY I DEY WAIT FOR UNA !
God forgive me if i err by the replies i give and the manner at which i answer them !
I never even start to bring out the flaws of mohamad and his quran o !But the reason is becos there is actually nothing new to puncture !
tbaba, i dey wait for you to come back from break

God help us

lanrexlan: Boko Harams are just ignorant as you are.They aren't following Islam,killing innocent souls is forbidden in Islam.Who are the crusaders following? The biblical god footsteps I guess.

1 Samuel 6:19 (KJV) -And he smote the men of Bethshemesh,because they had looked into the ark of the LORD,even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and ten men:and the people lamented,because the LORD had smitten many of the people with a great slaughter.
@Bold,was Christ alive when those apocryphal were written?
Psalm 2:7 (KJV)-I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me,Thou art my Son;this day have I begotten thee.[At the age of 40]

Exodus 4:22 (NIV)- Then say to Pharaoh, This is what the LORD says:Israel is my firstborn son.

Genesis 6:2 (NIV) -the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.

Jeremiah 31:9 (NIV)- ......because I am Israel's father,and Ephraim is my firstborn son.

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The theological Dictionary of the new statement states: I have begotten thee is probably no more than a stereotyped formular.[Kittel. G Theological Dictionary of the New Testament,op cit. Pg 668].
Sonship and fatherhood in the bible means the relationship between the servants and the Creator.

Did 'Jesus' fulfilled the sign of Jonah? Was Jonah dead or alive in the belly of the fish For 3days and 3nights?[Matthew 12:40]

They now copied the apocryphal and not the canonical books of the bible again? Confusion,@Bold,do you have proofs for it?.....Peace

Your own issue be say you don master how to google the old testament letters and you love to quote them at will It will be another long write up by me to educate you on how God in the OT dealt with unbelievers like mohamad and his followers;people like you. 'HE killed them',actually punished them for their disobedience ! We weren't around then and weren't Christians either! But i tell you,if you want to Know if i can kill or hate or bomb either as a suicide bomber or mosque bomber,look at the life of Jesus and HIS teachings.
I am not a Judaist. God translated me from the kingdom of darkness into the kingdom of light and that is how i'm called a christian ! We are telling you that becos of the grace of God bein made available to us through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross of Calvary,God will not kill any defiant this day ! HE will not kill you muslims for disobeying HIS word becos of HIS son Jesus ! God killed most of you muslims in the past who worshiped idol claiming it's God you worship just becos of the grace of God through HIS son Jesus wasn't around then! But HE isn't doing that anymore. YOU KNOW WHY ? JESUS'blood ! HE is waiting for you to repent !
Concerning the Israel nation and Ephraim as a tribe bein the son of God and we M.K.O,Mintayo,rexsl,Frosbel and other Christians are adopted into the sonship of God ! Israel as a nation is the first son 'amongs nations'becos God chose Israel first before other nations.Then for Ephraim who is the first son of God amongs the tribes in Israel ! The sons of God you saw picking up wives among the sons of men that got God angry,were the chosen sons of seth intermarrying with the cursed daughters of men;Cain(this one will be too big for u.Later we will discuss this one) We who were gentiles,were adopted into this sonship for accepting Christ ! Now all of us are sons but see below the case with the first son of God,the ONLY BEGOTTEN OF GOD:HE IS THE FIRST AMONGS ALL THE SONS !
Consider, though, the significance of this revelation that Jesus Christ is the Father's "only begotten" Son. This unique phrase is used with reference to the Lord Jesus many other times, and all the five verses below contain vitally important truths concerning Christ.
These verses are as follows:
"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth" (John 1:14).
This is the key verse of the Incarnation, assuring us that the man Jesus, who dwelt among us for a time, was also the eternal Word who was "in the beginning with God" and that He "was God" and that "all things were made by Him" (John 1:1-3). He was God the Creator manifest in the flesh.
"No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared Him" (John 1:18).
The Father is omnipresent, and therefore invisible to mortal eyes, but as Jesus said: "He that hath seen me hath seen the Father" (John 14:9). Men have seen and heard the Father in the person of His only begotten Son. Whenever God has been seen by men, it has been through the Son who has revealed Him.
"For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (John 3:16).
This verse, of course, is the most magnificent of all gospel verses; many would call it the greatest verse in the Bible. It assures us that, if we simply put our trust in Jesus who has become man in order to die for our sins, and then to defeat death and become our Savior, our sins will be forgiven, and we shall live forever with Him.
"He that believeth on Him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God" (John 3:18).
Other than the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, "there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved" (Acts 4:12). In view of all that our Savior has done for us, this verse gives clear warning that t[b]hose who refuse or neglect to believe on the person and work of God's only begotten Son, will die in their sins, condemned forever by the Father whose Son they have spurned.[/b]
"God sent His only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through Him" (I John 4:9).
You see that you lanrexlan,tbaba,mclatunji and the rest can be adopted as sons too ! It's unfortunate ur mahamad died with accepting Chrsit as his savior !Don't make same mistake please !
THE QURAN COPIED BOTH THE APOCRYPHAL AND MIXED IT UP THE FEW CANONICAL BOOKS !

God help us

tbaba1234: Conclusion


But there is even greater shock coming from the canonical scripture. Have to take a break now!

Stay tuned!!

Are done with ur break ? I'm waiting eagerly for the 'shock coming from the canonical books' since the word of God have dealt the quran and other apocryphal books a heavy blow !

God help me !

Mintayo: @tbaba...u v lost my respect a long time ago when i discover that u r a liar,not that i am surprised bcus ur islam supports lies as long as it propagate it!
Now let me ask u,v u seen d gospel of barnaba before? Do u knw d writer!
DO U KNW THERE ARE NO ANCIENT EVIDENCE FOR THIS UR GOSPEL?
Owk,let me tell,though mko has answerd u well,bt there is no difference btw d gospel of barnabas and ur quran!
D gospel of barnabas called barnabas one of d disciples of Jesus,tht is nt true.
Let me show u d similarity btw d dt barnabas gospel n quran.
1. It says Jesus is not d son of God...chapter 70
2. It says Jesus predicts d coming of anoda prophet...mohammed.
3. It says Jesus denied himself as d messiah bt called mohammed messiah...chapter 97.(BUT WAIT,DID UR qURAN CALL MOHAMMED D MESSIAH??
4. It says Jesus did not die,crucified or ressurected...but Judas took his place...(does dt sound familiar?)

no wonder u muslims promote dis book bcus it was written to conform with d quran!
I am sure u v heard of d ahmad shafaat who wrote the 'gospel of islam',ther is no difference btw the two,they both twist biblical gospel to conform with d quran!
Its actually a waste of time answering u in ur desperation to condemn d Bible,bt no matter how much u try and LIE,it wnt work...YOU SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE!
Stop this mischief and accept Jesus into ur life!

http://answering-islam.org/green/barnabas.htm.

Check my write up,you will see how continuously and persistently i refer to the quran as an apocryphal and how mohamad and his gangs copied the apocryphal books verbatim ! I have never opened or read the yeye book of Barnabas but i had that it wasn't even written by Barnabas but i know too well that it must be a quranic version !

God help us

Rexyl: THOSE HELPING SATAN TO TURN PEOPLE‘S BACK AGAINST THE PLAN OF GOD AND HIS WORD SHOULD BY NOW KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING. They cannot change God‘s position by volumes of erroneous beliefs.

True talk !
Thank God for God's wisdom to word-off the corrupted and worldly wisdom of the enemy ! I pray tbaba and his gangs should by now know the plans of Jesus concerning them! Jesus loves them,HE came becos of them but they are still rejecting HIM.
See below what Chrsit is saying to them:
"You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
—John 8:23,24

God help us

tbaba1234: ^ Mr man, It was labeled 'apocryphal' by the orthodox churches when they started to develop their doctrine because it did not agree with their doctrine.

These books WERE used by segments of the early churches.. Please refer to the introduction of apocryphal

You should read more

Incase you want to Know more concerning the apocryphal books,then i think you should consult the bible reagrding the canonical books !
For Christians who are here with us,let us go through the inspired books as against the uninspired apocryphal books i.e the quran as quoted by tbaba.

Canonical Books or inspired books :

The word “canon” comes from the rule of law that was used to determine if a book measured up to a standard. It is important to note that the writings of Scripture were canonical at the moment they were written. Scripture was Scripture when the pen touched the parchment. This is very important because Christianity does not start by defining God, or Jesus Christ, or salvation. The basis of Christianity is found in the authority of Scripture. If we cannot identify what Scripture is, then we cannot properly distinguish any theological truth from error.

What measure or standard was used to determine which books should be classified as Scripture? A key verse to understanding the process and purpose, and perhaps the timing of the giving of Scripture, is Jude 3 which states that a Christian's faith “was once for all entrusted to the saints.” Since our faith is defined by Scripture, Jude is essentially saying that Scripture was given once for the benefit of all Christians. Isn't it wonderful to know that there are no hidden or lost manuscripts yet to be found, there are no secret books only familiar to a select few, and there are no people alive who have special revelation requiring us to trek up a Himalayan mountain in order to be enlightened? We can be confident that God has not left us without a witness. The same supernatural power God used to produce His Word has also been used to preserve it.

Psalm 119:160 states that the entirety of God's Word is truth. Starting with that premise, we can compare writings outside the accepted canon of Scripture to see if they meet the test. As an example, the Bible claims that Jesus Christ has the NATURE of GOD (Isaiah 9:6-7; Matthew 1:22-23; John 1:1, 2, 14, 20:28; Acts 16:31, 34; Philippians 2:5-6; Colossians 2:9; Titus 2:13; Hebrews 1:8; 2 Peter 1:1). Yet many extra-biblical texts,(apocryphal including the quran) claiming to be Scripture, argue that Jesus is not God. When clear contradictions exist, the established Bible is to be trusted, leaving the others outside the sphere of Scripture for the followers to continue in their ignorance.
In the early centuries of the church, Christians were sometimes put to death for possessing copies of Scripture. Because of this persecution, the question soon came up, “What books are worth dying for?” Some books may have contained sayings of Jesus, but were they inspired as stated in 2 Timothy 3:16? Church councils played a role in publicly recognizing the canon of Scripture, but often an individual church or groups of churches recognized a book as inspired from its writing (e.g., Colossians 4:16; 1 Thessalonians 5:27). Throughout the early centuries of the church, few books were ever disputed and the list was basically settled by A.D. 303.Hope you tbaba can see that the issue was settled long ago !
tbaba said the books were used by segments of the early churches ! See below what actually happened expecially with the OT :
Most questions about which books belong in the Bible dealt with writings from the time of Christ and forward. T[b]he early church had some very specific criteria[/b] in order for books to be considered as part of the New Testament. These included: Was the book written by someone who was an eyewitness of Jesus Christ? Did the book pass the “truth test”? (i.e., did it concur with other, already agreed-upon Scripture?). The New Testament books they accepted back then have endured the test of time and Christian orthodoxy has embraced these, with no challenge, for centuries.

Confidence in the acceptance of specific books dates back to the first century recipients who offered firsthand testimony as to their authenticity.
There is an important theological point that should not be missed. God has used His word for millennia for one primary purpose—to reveal Himself and communicate to mankind. Ultimately, the church councils did not decide if a book was Scripture; [b]that was decided when the human author was chosen by God to write[/b]and God don't choose people to write things that will contradict HIM ! In order to accomplish the end result, including the preservation of His Word through the centuries, God guided the early church councils in their recognition of the canon and not the apocryphal like the quran and the rest of them quoted by tbaba !

The acquisition of knowledge regarding such things as the true nature of God, the origin of the universe and life, the purpose and meaning of life, the wonders of salvation, and future events (including the destiny of mankind) are beyond the natural observational and scientific capacity of mankind. The already-delivered Word of God, valued and personally applied by Christians for centuries, is sufficient to explain to us everything we need to know of Christ (John 5:18; Acts 18:28; Galatians 3:22; 2 Timothy 3:15) and to teach us, correct us, and instruct us into all righteousness (2 Timothy 3:16) and not to rely on the evidences of uninspired apocryphal books bein followed or used by tbaba and other muslims !
The bible is the only book with the authority to use as evidences and not the apocryphal quran

God help us!

Sissie: So you do see the logic, you have refused to see the good in Islam, atleast you can explain why, so even if we say from today till next year boko haram are not practicing Islam it makes no difference to you, or we tell you it's not about hate and murder, if it was you wouldn't be alive but because you have chosen not to see it, telling you otherwise will be fruitless.

How about the flaws in Christianity do you not see it too? Isn't this what you practice and believe? Have you really studied what you practice, its history, the origin of so many things Christians practice I.e Christmas. Or are you among the christians who say you can't use sense and logic to understand Christianity, you can't use carnal mind to understand the spiritual, that's what some Christians base arguments on?

No one is saying or asking if Boko Harams are muslims or not ! They are muslims to the teeth ! They are only living the words in ur quran !We do not need apocryphal books or even the canonical books to puncture the statements in the quran,they are there for themselves and to be punctured by themselves.No further evidences is needed to do that at all.tbaba quoting books not in the bible and rejected long ago by Christ and early Christians to counter the crucifixion,authority and Sonship of our lord Jesus Christ is highly laughable !It's Just like the scientists putting up evidences that are not scriptural to counter the bible,claiming that there is no God and you expect me to start an argument with them ? We need biblical evidences that Jesus isn't the son of God and that HE was not crucified. Your quran lied by claiming Jesus isn't the son of God and that HE wasn't crucified ! Did that make me change from following Christ even as i have bein hearing that before i became a Christian ? Your mohamed and his gangs copied other apocryphal books and are leading you guys to the part of destruction today !Considering the fact that mohamed came 6 hundred yrs after Christ and tbaba from his findings just said that the apocryphal has been there since the second century or so,does that not tell you that mohamed copied from the apocryphal as stated by tbaba ? Check the meaning of apocryphal and revert convincing me the apocryphal is inspired by God ! Even mohamed told you that the bible (canonical books)is inspired by God !

God help us

tbaba1234: Evidence 2a



Again, the relevant verses leave no doubt that the crucifixion of Jesus was only an illusion. Once again, an apocryphal writing of early Christianity totally refutes traditional Christian orthodoxy about the crucifixion event, and is consistent with the Qur'anic position on that issue.

Evidence 2e

Gospel of Barnabas

This is left as the last because it is controversial.

Prior ur apocryphal evidences,i told you that any evidence not traced to the holy bible in the bible is tantamount to words found in ur quran ! You just proved that going by the highlighted ! The quran is an apocryphal book and MUST agree with all the other books you mentioned !
If your evidence is not canonical then it is not inspired by God ! I don't have to puncture the evidences you gave up above because they are not worth puncturing ! The only thing i should say about about your evidences is that they were all drawn from books that are not canonical ! What do you expect those books to say ? That Jesus is the son of God or that Jesus was actually crucified ? If the quran as an apocryphal rejected that fact,how then do you think other apocryphal accept it !
An apocryphal is an apocryphal ? You can go check it out on Wikipedia !
Apocryphal- (of a story or statement) Of doubtful authenticity, although widely circulated as being true !If this is Apocryphal,how then do you tbaba go there to bring evidences to challenge the holy bible;words inspired by the Almighty God !
If it's not canonical,i have no bizness with it ! The quran quite agree with those books you are quoting from becos it's also an apocryphal.Please keep in mind what apocryphal means !

God help us

udatso: ....This is my problem with you guys. You always have to fill in the blanks with holy spirit. I created a thread about holy spirit seeking for answers in www.nairaland.com/1394224/holy-ghost-holy-spirit#17427340 and none of you who claim to be filled with holy spirit has responded to it. My brothers are already doing justice to this topic already. I pray may Allah reward you all beyond your imagining. Tbaba, lanrexlan and others, tnx for ur jihad

The reason you don't get answers is becos you guys keep talking 'comparative religion' ! Do ur comparative religion with ur fellow religious people like the bhudists,shintoists,judaists and you can even add agnostics and atheists ! As for Chrsitianity,it is not a religion but a relationship with Christ ! We call God father and you guys say no HE can not be father to mere men but master and we say we have got a relationship with HIM as our 'Abbah' ! So,continue with ur god and let us be with our Father who sent forth HIS son into the world to cleanse us from our iniquities-shekena ! You creating a tread about holy spirit ? What do you know about HIM ? SHEBI NA UNA SAY THE HOLY SPIRIT WEY JESUS PROMISE US NA HIM BE mohamed ? Jesus is watching you guys as him no sabi mention human being name again abi ? The only thing HE told us that will come after HIS departure is false prophets of different categories;there are the ones that will come in HIS name,the one that will come with lying wonders,the one that will come rejecting HIM out rightly,the one that will come like an angel of light and the one that will come saying HE is this but not that ! We are already aware of these things becos HE told us before leaving ! Little wonder why many of us dnt agree with all the men today who claim they are from God ! Ask frosbel he will tell you that fake prophets are bound ! So dnt mind us when you see us disagree on certain things as Christians o. We only trying to test the spirit that wrought s the miracle !

God help us

JesusisLord85: My brother, you know when you ask someone to define something, and their definition uses the word itself, usually means there is some lack of understanding.
I often think of this when reading posts on NL, I see people making statements that are simply quotes from Paul's writings, which they probably don't understand, or something they heard in bible college.
Obviously, if someone possesses those fruits mentioned above, how can the punishment of the law come upon them. The law punishes those who break it. Does any of the above sound like something at odds with the law? Of course not.

If Paul had mentioned adultery in that list of things, or consumption of unclean meats, then we would have a story to tell here, but we don't. 'Christians' today repeatedly the 10 commandments, and some live in sin, despite the fact that at one point in their life they confessed Christ as Lord. Now if one asks for forgiveness and they are truely repentant, fine. My question to you is, for those who do walk in sin/ live in a state of sin (willful disobedience, or married to a divorcee) though they believe in Christ, are they still saved? I know shdemidemi's answer, but I want to know yours.

Jesus is Lord85,i decided to revisit this tread just becos of the question asked !
The question you asked me goes further to give me the feeling that we may be saying the same thing !
It's just like asking me if a gay guy who has given his life to Christ but still joined to and have sexual relationship with his gay partner willL make it into heaven ? 'Christians'dnt sin ! I mean don't live in sin !But if they fall into sin,they can pray to God in heaven,ask for forgiveness and have a genuine repentance ! May be you will ask me if that is not keeping the 'laws' of God ?No it is not yielding to the spirit ! The OT want's us to do but the NT WANT'S TO DO FOR US ! Apostle Paul said''it is true we have the grace but we can not continue to wallow in sin and keep thanking God for HIS grace !'' This goes to show us that anyone who lives in sin (willful disobedience)hath not the son in him/her !
If you live in sin,you were never saved or it could be that you were saved but allowed that which was given freely to you to be stolen by the enemy !
Do you know that sometimes i admire beautiful girls out there not minding that i'm married ? But each time i do that,the spirit tells me not to move further with such thoughts ! You said the laws have been written in our hearts according to Jeremiah and i say that is another way the holy spirit convicts/convinces a child of God in the new dispensation according to Jesus and apostle Paul ! The scripture is nsync,old/new covenant ! But as Christians,we should hold firm to the teachings of the new testament for that is the reason we are called Christians in the first place ! If no be so,some body go tell me to come kill pigeon or ram for some kind of appeasing !

God help us

frosbel: the only damning evidence we need to see about ISLAM is on the streets of Egypt right now, in Syria, in India, in Iraq, in Northern Nigeria - Non-stop 24/7 blood shed from the so called religion of peace, what a joke.

Keep your god to yourself , we do not want him.

See frosbel,no one is saying the muslim god is same as the Almighty God who created the heavens and the earth who's son is Jesus ! The fact has already been established that the muslim religion/.alah is not same as the God of the Christians but i don't know why dey always want to claim that we serve same God !
The question that was asked was if the Christian God and the muslim god is same ? Christians say NO !
But the muslims keep beating about the bush telling yes/no,but you know,you see and if to say no be this one that one...blablablable !
Abeg i don tire !

God help us

tbaba1234: Please provide evidence not what you are tolf in Sunday school.

Evidence of what ?
The holy bible is all i need for evidence of the God i serve ! Any evidence i give outside the holy bible please do not accept it from me !

God help us

tbaba1234: Next up: Was Jesus crucified?

Many christians will be shocked at the sheer volume of evidence from history, canonical and apocryphal gospels that raise serious doubts about this

Stay tuned, will start in a few hours.

You never fit defend the one at hand you dey start another one(lol) !-How many times are we going to dwell on Crucifixion of our Lord Jesus Christ?Even the old testament that mohamad and him coleagues copy give u as quran carry am say Jesus go die and him go resurrect after 3 days ! Abi quran no copy that one join ?
With time you go see the light becos i no wish you death in this religion wey u dey practice. I pray God rescues you like he DID TO SOME OF US !

God help us

tbaba1234: MKO 2005.

The focus of the write-up is about the ministry of Jesus, focus on the points. When I write about the trinity then we can talk.

Most of the evidence used are from bible scholars and biblical history.

Fact is, Jesus focus was on the children of Israel and the ministry was limited.

Unfortunately, most chtistians do not know beyond bible school knowledge.

In case you never see am,i dey repeat am again for here:
God saw the gentile nations before choosing the Jews as HIS own !
He saw every one before Choosing Abraham !
He saw the Egyptians or the saudi arabians before choosing Israel !
The prophesy has always been that the world would be saved through some one(a Jew)who will be rejected by HIS own people! So Christ came to save the world but first the Jews before the rest of the gentile nations.He played the script of God very very well!
See below his instructions to HIS disciples:

''And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.Go therefore and make disciples of all nations baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”Mathew 28:18-20
Jesus was the fulfillment of the promises of the Old Testament, given primarily to Jews !
God through history had focused His message through the Jews.Littel wonder HIS son JESUS Christ followed same wey for it is written!
The Jews were the ones knowledgeable in the Old Testament and what God had done to prepare for Jesus, so they would be the best ones to take His message out to the world and NOT the Egyptians !
God was preparing to bring His message to all mankind (Luke 24:47 and repentance for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.) but God needed to first establish a foundation. The focus on Jews by Christ was to build a stable foundation before it was taken to the Gentiles.
Notice this foundation was really the 12 apostles. Jesus preaching really was focused on the 12 apostles and not the entire Jewish nations !
To summarize, God worked through the nation of Israel, and this was the foundation for His church. Jesus' purpose, in addition to dying for sins, was to establish His church through His apostles. After His death [b]they freely took His message to all nations and peoples (as seen in Acts 2).But Jesus made it clear that, even though His focus during his ministry were Jews, Gentiles were also welcome and fully accepted with Him in heaven.
See below what Christ said as he commanded HIS disciples:
Acts 1:8 — ''but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

Gentiles
1-without Christ,
2-being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
3-and strangers from the covenants of promise,
4-having no hope,
5-and without God in the world:
Jews/Israel
1-Christ came first to Israel
2-Israel the chosen nation
3-God made the covenants with the fathers of Israel
4-Israel had the hope of the resurrection
5-It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I think from the above,tbaba will see why it has to be that Christ preached to the Jews and instructed HIS disciples to go into the world,infact the remotest part of the earth and proclaim the gospel !
See below reasons i bask in the euphoria of Christ bein my saviour !
Galatians 3:29 — And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise.
Romans 10:12 — For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same {Lord} is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

God help us

tbaba1234: NEVER IS IT REPORTED THAT JESUS TAUGHT OR PREACHED THE MESSAGE TO NON-JEWS.

God saw the gentile nations before choosing the Jews as HIS own !
He saw every one before Choosing Abraham !
The prophesy had always been that the world would be saved through some one(a Jew)who will be rejected by HIS own people! So Christ came to save the world but first the Jews before the rest of the gentile nations.He played the script of God very very well!
See below his instructions to HIS disciples:

''And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.[b]Go therefore and make disciples of all nations [/b]baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.”Mathew 28:18-20
Jesus was the fulfillment of the promises of the Old Testament, given primarily to Jews !
God through history had focused His message through the Jews.
The Jews were the ones knowledgeable in the Old Testament and what God had done to prepare for Jesus, so they would be the best ones to take His message out to the world and NOT the Egyptians !
God was preparing to bring His message to all mankind (Luke 24:47, Acts 1:, but God needed to first establish a foundation. The focus on Jews by Christ was to build a stable foundation before it was taken to the Gentiles.
Notice this foundation was really the 12 apostles, not Jews in general. Jesus preaching really was focused on the 12 apostles and not the entire Jewish nations !
To summarize, God worked through the nation of Israel, and this was the foundation for His church. Jesus' purpose, in addition to dying for sins, was to establish His church through His apostles. After His death they freely took His message to all nations and peoples (as seen in Acts 2).But Jesus made it clear that, even though His focus during his ministry were Jews, Gentiles were also welcome and fully accepted with Him in heaven.
See below what Christ said as he commanded HIS disciples:
Acts 1:8 — ''but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth."

Gentiles
1-without Christ,
2-being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
3-and strangers from the covenants of promise,
4-having no hope,
5-and without God in the world:
Jews/Israel
1-Christ came first to Israel
2-Israel the chosen nation
3-God made the covenants with the fathers of Israel
4-Israel had the hope of the resurrection
5-It was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I think from the above,tbaba will see why it has to be that Christ preached to the Jews and instructed HIS disciples to go into the world,infact the remotest part of the earth and proclaim the gospel !

God help us

Luke 22:38 And they said,Lord,behold, here are two swords.And he said unto them,It is enough.
What's the purpose of swords?
JIHAD means to strive and struggle.Allah says fight those who fight you but transgress not the limits[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:190].If the enemies want peace,you should also incline to peace[Surah Al-Anfal 8:61].Killing of innocent souls is not JIHAD.
Just seein the above and now to dwell on Luke 22:38,in case you don't know,The prophets testified that HE(Jesus)was numbered amongst outlwas hence the need for the sword!
Isaiah 53:12b''... and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.''The scripture needs to be fulfilled before HIS death ! They were asked to pick up two swords for what ? May be for the whole 12 disciples to kill the Roman soldiers who will be comming after HIM ? Not at all. But to show you that the buying of swords was for the time been,we have to take the scripture from Luke 22:38''And they said,Lord,behold, here are two swords.And he said unto them,It is enough.Now let's see the concluding part or the scripture Luke 22:38-53''38 “Look, Lord,” they replied, “we have two swords among us.”“That’s enough,” he said. lol two sword to fight the battle ahead concerning HIS betrayal in the garden ! Definitely not !

(39)''Then, accompanied by the disciples, Jesus left the upstairs room and went as usual to the Mount of Olives. There he told them, “Pray that you will not give in to temptation.”
He walked away, about a stone’s throw, and knelt down and prayed,“Father, if you are willing, please take this cup of suffering away from me. Yet I want your will to be done, not mine.” 43 Then an angel from heaven appeared and strengthened him.He prayed more fervently, and he was in such agony of spirit that his sweat fell to the ground like great drops of blood.[a]
At last he stood up again and returned to the disciples, only to find them asleep, exhausted from grief. 46 “Why are you sleeping?” he asked them. “Get up and pray, so that you will not give in to temptation.”
But even as Jesus said this, a crowd approached, led by Judas, one of the twelve disciples. Judas walked over to Jesus to greet him with a kiss.But Jesus said, “Judas, would you betray the Son of Man with a kiss?”
When the other disciples saw what was about to happen, they exclaimed,(49) “Lord, should we fight? We brought the swords!” And one of them struck at the high priest’s slave, slashing off his right ear.
But Jesus said, “No more of this.” And he touched the man’s ear and healed him.
Then Jesus spoke to the leading priests, the captains of the Temple guard, and the elders who had come for him. “Am I some dangerous revolutionary,” he asked, “that you come with swords and clubs to arrest me?Why didn’t you arrest me in the Temple? I was there every day. But this is your moment, the time when the power of darkness reigns.” !
Take a look at verse 49 where they wanted to know if they should go ahead and fight ! But HE said NO ! Stop the fighting that those who go by the sword(using the sword will die by it )

God help us

[quote author=m.k.o2005]No matter what they do,the scripture can not be broken ! There are things you don't argue concerning the bible and Jesus' words.
1.Wether Jesus is the son of God !
2.Wether Jesus died !
3.wether Jesus was sinless !
4.Wether Jesus is the Messiah !
5.Wether Jesus 'blood atoned for the sins of the world !
6.Wether Jesus ascended into heaven !
7.Wether Jesus is coming back !
If Jesus said all these are trueh of HIM,then who are we(mere men)to say otherwise !
See below what Jesus said concerning Abraham:
"I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!"—John 8:58
See also below what Jesus is saying to you muslims who deny the powers and personality of our lord as established by HIM:
"You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
—John 8:23,24

God help us all[/quote]

Mintayo: and a certain fellow thought because He studied 'comparative religious studies' he therefore has authority over d Bible and know it better...what a myopic understanding!

No matter what they do,the scripture can not be broken ! There are things you don't argue concerning the bible and Jesus' words.
1.Wether Jesus is the son of God !
2.Wether Jesus died !
3.wether Jesus was sinless !
4.Wether Jesus is the Messiah !
5.Wether Jesus 'blood atoned for the sins of the world !
6.Wether Jesus ascended into heaven !
7.Wether Jesus is coming back !
If Jesus said all these are through of HIM,then who are we(mere men)to say otherwise !
See below what Jesus said concerning Abraham:
"I tell you the truth, before Abraham was born, I am!"—John 8:58
See also below what Jesus is saying to you muslims who deny the powers and personality of our lord as established by HIM:
"You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
—John 8:23,24

God help us all

Rexyl: These also added as said by Jesus Act 1: 8 8 “But you will receive power when the
Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will
be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all
Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of
the earth.”
and
Matthew 28: 18-20

18 “Then Jesus came to them
and said, “All authority in heaven and on
earth has been given to me.
19 Therefore go and make disciples of
all nations, [b]baptizing them in the name
of the Father and of the Son and of the
Holy Spirit, [/b]20 and teaching them to
obey everything I have commanded
you. And surely I am with you always,
to the very end of the age.”

It's either tbaba and the rest will come and tell us that Jesus never said so-he tbaba na him talk !
The scripture has been twisted or no longer original-may be na mclatunji twist am and him no gree touch or twist quran!
Or we no understand wetin Jesus mean-may be na lanrexlan go help us explain make we for understand !
See HIS words below before HIS ascension into heaven:
"I came from the Father and entered the world; now I am leaving the world and going back to the Father."—John 16:28
E don be like that e don be no man fit change am ! No be our fault na so God want am !-Jesus loves the muslims but warn them concerning disbelief so as no to make it into hell ! HE wants you all in heaven !

God help us

lanrexlan:
The biblical god tried to murder Moses[Exodus 4:24],Allah never attempted to kill Moses but was sending His peace on Him[Surah As-Saffat 37:120-122]
The biblical god enforces people to drink alcohol[Jeremiah 25:27-28],Allah forbids alcohol[Surah Al-Maidah 5:90]
The biblical god lives in Zion[Joel 3:17] and used to wander about[1 Chronicles 17:5-6],Allah does not.
The biblical god was seen by many eyes and even dine with children of Israel[Exodus 33:11,Exodus 24:10,Isaiah 6:1,Amos 9:1],Allah is invisible.
The biblical god is a consuming fire[Hebrews 12;29],Allah is not.
The biblical god punishes innocent children for the sins of their fathers and great grand fathers[Deuteronomy 5:9-10],Allah does not.
A man burnt his daughter for the biblical god and he accepted it graciously[Judges 11:34-39],Allah doesn't even eat flesh nor blood[Surah Al-Hajj 22:57]
The biblical god requires idolatry sacrifice from every generation[Exodus 29:38-42],Allah doesn't[Surah Al-Hajj 22:57]
The biblical god is like a yoruba god called Sango because flames were seen coming out of his nostrils and fire out of his mouth[Psalms 18:8]
The biblical god fed man with paper[Ezekiel 3:1-3],Allah does not..
If you need more,let me know.....Peace

You fail to understand that i say i'm a christian and kept on quoting how God started with man prior sending forth HIS son. You don forget say if not for the new covenant you wouldn't had been conceived by your mum becos men for don 'wack'ur mama or papa long time ago following the mosaic laws ! But the dispensation of Christ,that same Christ the quran asked you to believe in,that same Christ ur quran said ascended into heaven,that same Christ ur quran said HE is comming back again.That same Christ ur quran said never sinned ! If ur quran said all these,why den do you doubt Jesus as the son of God ?See what HE is asking you in John 10:34-37''Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’? Do not believe me unless I do the works of my Father. But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.” Just tell me HE didn't say the above,na you or mohamed write am abi ? I dnt mean to offend anyone please !
Your quran believed that Jesus is pure(without sin) and Jesus made it known to us again in John 8:46''Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me?

God help us

tbaba1234: However, the Christian depiction of God is based primarily on pauline traditions and far removed from Jesus.

It was Jesus who said HE is the son of God and not man !"They all asked, ‘Are you then the Son of God?’ He replied,‘You are right in saying I am’."—Luke 22:70
He said HE is one with the father !'I and the Father is one''-John 10:30
Tell me Jesus did not say the above ! It was twisted right ? Just tell me dat Jesus never walked the surface of the earth then i will believe you !

God help us

tbaba said peace be unto the prince of peace -'Jesus' ! Your quran asked you to believe in Jesus and you fail to believe in who and what HE says HE is right ? See below what that same Jesus is telling you:
"You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am the one I claim to be, you will indeed die in your sins."
—John 8:23,24

I didn't say the above but the messiah said so and if you don't believe the above statement,it means you want to die a sinner and ultimately go to hell but Jesus don't want it that way,that is why he is WARNING YOU AND OTHER MUSLIMS,pagans,buddhists,shintoists,atheists and the agnostics alike !

Lord have mercy on the lost !

God help us