Deep Sight:

Hi M_Nwankwo.

Would you describe a person who has the ability to paint but has never painted at all as an artist?

Would you describe me as an engineer merely because the ability to study and apply engineering resides in me?

Hi Deepsight. Yes, what does the painting is the ability and not the expression of the ability. Thus one who has the abilty to paint or the ability to produce engineering works is an artist or an engineer. But even this remains a very crude analogy for in these earthly examples, the abilty was acquired or developed, presuppossing that at some time the one who is an artist today is not one several years ago. With respect to God, the ability has no beginning and no end for it is living in God. Stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

Inserted in red above: is an adjustment i believe reflects more correctly the truth.

Not that God does not exist without His creation but that He can not be referred to as such without His concious creation

Hi Deepsight and Sarmy. My view is that the above statements are not entirely correct. God is the creator, not because he created creations but because the living ability to create is in God. Whether or not, this ability to create is expressed (creations) or unexpressed (no creations) have no bearing to the ability to create. The ability to create is not the same thing with the expression of the creative ability that is in God. Thus God is the creator whether or not he expresses his creative ability. Since the creative ability is in God, it is also irrelevant whether his creatures percieves his existence or not. A crude analogy may suffice. Daylight did not exist because the eyes and the visual cortex can percieve it rather it exists because of the sun and its effect on the blue planet. Thus if one suddenly regains his sight and sees daylight for the first time, it does not mean that there was no daylight all the time that he is blind. Similarly if one is to go blind and cannot percieve daylight, then daylight did not cease on the day he has gone blind. This claim that all are God and God is  all is wrong in my view. People are confusing the sun and its rays. I challenge anybody who says he is a God to give me a step by step insight/DESCRIPTION on the origin and evolution of our physical universe, not to mention, the spirtitual and the divine worlds. Stay blessed.

Enigma:

Very very good contribution m_nwankwo; many thanks.

Hi Enigma. Thanks for your kind words. Stay blessed.

Great thread Enigma. The mystery of Love can only be understood if we grasp that GOD is the living LOVE. And whatever comes from God including his creations carries within it a reflection or image of LOVE. Thus in man, this image or reflection of the eternal love of God is alive in the human spirit, not in his brain , not in the various material and non material cloaks that the human spirit carries but in the spirit. Thus it is the spirit that has the ability to love, an ability that links him for all time to GOD, who is LOVE. Thus genuine love comes from the spirit, from within and not from without. As genuine love wells deep within the soul, the vibrations of this love burst from the the spirit and is magnetically attracted to the radiations of the love of God which God has placed in creation for the joy and happiness of its creatures including the human spirit. The union of the vibrations from the love that emanates from the human spirit and the various emanations of the love of God in creation transforms and strengthens the love that emanates from the human spirit, giving it the mobility and purity to rise upwards until it is anchored in the realm of Love. A human spirit who is bathed by these many anchorages thus swims in the ocean of love, breaths love and radiates it in his words, actions, thoughts, motives and intution. Such a human spirit loves all mankind, indeed loves all creatures because he sees or senses the images or reflections of the love of God in fellow creatures and not the dressees or cloaks that they wore. Thus race, religion, sex, status and smilar things are alien to such a clarified human spirit. He shares in both the joy and sorrow of his fellow travelers.

No man can enter the kingdom of God if love is not alive in him, in his spirit. The laws of God of which LOVE is the crown does not recognise all these externals which we often consider important. The laws of God return to each man what he himself has put out. Whether you are a Pope or Pastor, an apostle or a disciple, a buddhist or a lama, a thesist or an atheist, a catholic or a penticostal, is irrelevant to the laws of God. What counts is what we sow with our spirit. Only the emanations from the spirit can make connection with the power of God and blessing and curse will follow us depending on how he,she, it used or applied the power of God. Thus, we are created to Love but in our wanderings through the various creations of God, we allowed the cloaks that cover the spirit to be soiled, just like the lustre of a diamond can be covered by rolling it in a mud. However, the soiling of our cloaks is like the mud in a diamond, it is not part of the diamond and thus can be washed away so that the radiance of our spirit can shine forth and regain its connection to God, who in his LOVE permitted us counscious existence. Even a second welling up of genuine love in our spirit can burst asunder the filth that covers our spirit and connect us back to our creator.

There is no spiritual development in the absence of love. Love is the key to unloak the gates to the kingdom of God. Best Wishes.

What Craig Venter and his team accomplished is remarkable. But the euphoria and crass sensationalism surrounding it are misplaced. Often in science, once a discovery leaves the laboratory or a scientific journal, it is exaggerated especially by the press to mean something the study is not. The public should rightly be suspicious of scientists who always rush to the press or dine and wine with the journalists. The discovery of Polymerase chain reaction and DNA sequencing made the discovery of Venter possible. What Venter team did is a scientific milestone but is not the creation of life. The team simply exploited the natural processes of DNA replication and transformation. Many biologists have been synthesizing small or large segments of the genome and use it for transformation, transfection, cloning or transgenenesis. What Venter team have done for the first time is that they managed to synthesize a whole genome and transformed a rebooted bacterium with it. If it is difficult to assemble and entire genome, it is even more difficult to assemble an entire rebooted bacterium from the scratch. By rebooted bacterium, I mean a bacteria cell that the DNA has been removed. The achieved the former but not the later and thus they have to use a naturally rebooted bacterium as a host for their synthetic genome. Maybe, this forum is not the place to point the benefits as well as the great dangers that arise from this sort of research. One thing however is certain, no responsible government or people should allow this type of research without very stringent regulation. Or else, the very technology will destroy us. The sequences of entire genomes  of  deadly pathogens are available on public databases and it takes just a little persistence by an evil minded scientist, a government interested in bio-weapons or a terrorist organization to replicate what Venter has done but not with a harmless bacterium but deadly pathogens. Craig Venter talks of the benefits, creating designer organisms to mob up pollution, clean blocked arteries or produce bio-fuels better than crude oil and solve the world energy problem etc. Yet he and his supporters should also inform people that the same technology can be used to genetically engineer more deadly smallpox virus, HIV, EBOLA or even a synthetic pathogen that has the virulence factors of all the deadly viruses combined.  The power locked in the DNA is actually more potent than that in the atom and thus genetic engineering need even more stringent regulation than atomic or nuclear research. Best Wishes.

Deep Sight:

^^^ Merci. I still await your esteemed reversion sir.

Hi DeepSight. God is God. God is Life. God is Light. God is Truth. It thus means, that only God is actually living such that all other things that exist or possess the possibility of existence derive their "life" from God or to put it more correctly from the radiations or emanations of God. Although the emanations from God came from God and can be described as a natural consequence that God is, these emanations or radiations are not God or even a minute part of God. Thus every thing outside of God is the radiation of God. The attributes of omnipotence, omnipresence and omniscience resides in God but not in the radiations of God. Thus while God can be described as infinite and unsusbstantiate, his radiations are finite and substantiate.  Is it possible that God who is infinite and unsusbstantiate can transform his finite emanations such that they become infinite just like God?, the answer is absolute NO. I will attempt albeit briefly to show why an infinite all powerful God is limited to a certain extent by the limitations of his radiations as he manifests outside of himself, that is in creation and outside of creation.

God is the source of all the laws of creation and indeed laws outside of creation. Just like God is Light, Love, Life and Truth, so  God is also the law. Thus, God is the living law. Emanations or radiations from God carry in themselves images or reflections of this law that is in God. In other words, the laws of creation is not a set of rules or proclamations by God, rather they are the inherent abilities that are an integral or intrinsic components of the various radiations of God. Thus the intrinsic abilities in the radiations of God is what one can describe as the laws of creation. Because there can be no radiation of God without these intrinsic abilities, it stands to reason that radiations of God cannot shake of these abilities, hence they appear as immutable and indeed are immutable. Thus for instance a physical yam which indeed developed from the radiation of God carry an intrinsic program that it must reproduce its kind. Now because that is the intrinsic nature of the yam, then it is impossible to convert this yam to a human being because the intrinsic ability is that a yam produces yam. Thus God for instance cannot convert a physical yam to a human being, neither will God make 5000 physical fishes from two fish. The intrinsic ability in a fish decrees reproduction for the propagation of its species, and even God is limited by the limitation of his radiation.

As these radiations emanates from God, they also split into many subspecies both as a result of cooling off as well as embodiment of the cooled of radiations. The animating radiations has to glow through immobile forms of radiations, that is the bodies or cloaks and these cloaks bends or transforms the waves from the animating radiation such that it manifests differently. Thus it happens that the splitting of radiations as well as cloaking of radiations results in the splitting of the laws of God. Thus in God, lies all the Laws and they are a unity but as emanations of this living laws comes from God, it is split and cloaked in different ways such they manifest different. This has lead to confusion on the uniformity and immutability of the laws of God. The reality is that the laws of God are immutable but the manifest differently depending on how far or close a plane, sphere, universe, creations or individual species are closer to God. Thus, radiations that are closer to God have greater power and mobility because they are more complete and have less splitting than those that are further away from God. Thus the first reflection of the living laws of God operate in the divine sphere, outside of creation and are known as divine laws, an image of the divine laws operating in the primordial spiritual are known as primordial spiritual laws, a reflection of primordial spiritual laws operating in the spiritual realm (the lowest sphere being the kingdom of God for human spirits) is known as the spiritual laws, an image of the spiritual laws operating in the animistic realm (abode of gods and goddesses as well as animal souls) is known as animistic laws while a reflection of the animistic laws operating in material creations (ethereal and gross matter) is known as the laws of Nature and the coarsest manifestions of the laws of nature is what present science is unraveling in its various fields. Thus as strange as it sounds, scientists even those that do not believe in God are trying to understand the laws of God as it evidences itself in the laws of physics, biology etc.

Thus, God being the living law can move these reflections of the living law and bring results which we call miracles. But even with the greatest miracle, these laws cannot be annulled because they are the intrinsic nature of the radiations of God. A miracle is a natural happening except that through the power granted one, something that requires another 1000 years of development can be made to happen instantaneously. If every genuine miracle is slowed down in real time, then people can observe the natural step by step development and will see that there are no gaps, or a suspension of the laws. Miracles are fulfillment of the laws of God. In other not to digrace, I will not dwell much on miracles for now.

Thus omnipotence of God simply mean that God is all powerful with respect to all things that are within the will of God. That is, the laws of God are immutable and are infallible dispenser of reward and punishment with mathematical exactitude, and this holds that God will not and indeed cannot dispense anything that contradicts his nature in which the living law is. Thus God cannot sin because sin is alien to his nature and outside his laws. It is the omnipotence of God that prevents him from destroying Lucifer since Lucifer is inherently eternal, it is the omnipotence of God that prevents God from interfering with our free will, etc.  In reality the omnipotence of God cannot be separated from the living law that is in God. God cannot annul his nature, nor can God annul his laws because the living law is a nature of God.

Omniscience is that God is all knowing. But like omnipotence, this attribute in my view is misunderstood. God knows when there is something to know. But often people expect God to know when there is nothing to know. Because the laws of God are intrinsic abilities in his various radiations, God knows these abilities and knows the various possibilities for each of these abilities. But until each of the abilities take a particular decision, God only knows of the possibilities but once an embodied radiation of God has taken a decision, God can clearly survey the development and the outcome for they can only follow the roads of the immutable laws of God. Just a crude analogy, if you know the road from Enugu to Lagos and Mr. A decides to come from Enugu to lagos, you can describe with precision his travel path from Enugu to Lagos. But if one have not yet decided, then there is nothing to know and it will be naive to demand that you know that Mr.A will travel from Enugu to Lagos when a decision has not been made. It is akin to demanding that your son find a laptop in his room when there is no laptop there. Also note that even though you can survey the route from Enugu to lagos, the traveller may reach Benin and then makes another decision to turn back to onitsha instead of proceeding to lagos. Then, you can also survey his travel path to Onitsha and the fact that he arrived at Onitsha instead of Lagos as he decided originally is an expression of his free will. If you think deeply into this, you will see why those who are lost can be saved at the last minute and those who are saved can be lost at the last minute, hence the admonition  "watch and pray".

Omnipresence does not mean that God is everywhere. God for instance is not in creation nor is God in hell. Omnipresence means that God is accessible from every where since his radiations permeates every where. Thus whoever opens himself from anywhere will gain connection to God. It is a process of radiation which some people fulfill through obedience to the laws of God or through prayer. If you have the necessary cable or satellite TV decoder and smart card, you can watch English Premier league from the comfort of you living room. The premier league match is not present in your living room but through your satellite equipment you watched it in real time just like those who physically went to the stadium in England. This is a crude analogy but I hope you get the picture that I wanted to convey. As always, stay blessed.

@Deepsight,

I saw the thread. I am presently occupied with a grant application deadline. Once I have a bit of free time, I will offer my perception on the issues you raised in this thread. As always stay blessed.

Mad_Max:



@m_nwankwo
I know you're well read. Do you read religious thought? Christian mysticism, Islam, Lamaist teaching,  Hinduism, Judaist esoterism, Buddhism, Catholic mysticism, oriental philosophies and ethical systems like the Tao, Shinto and Confucianism? Whic did you read and what did you think of them?

Hi Madmax. I do  not read religious thoughts anymore. It is over 20 years since I studied christian mystism, hinduism, Jewish mystisim, Budhism and a lot of philosophy. When  such books are offered to me, I take them but do not read them and I do inform the giver that I will not read it. If however the giver raises specific questions on his or her beliefs and I percieve that he is genuinely seeking, then I will turn to God in prayer and draw from the power of God the truth about the specific issue that the seeker or believer is interested in.  During my spare time I prefer watching Arsenal or Barcelona, listening to hipop, gospel and classic music.  As I told MyJoe, the path to God is simple where we human beings have not added our confusion. Clearly and lucidly, the son of God, Jesus admonished "Love God with all your being and love thy neighbour as thyself". This is the only path to spiritual development and ascent to the luminous kingdom of God.

@m.mkwankwo You got my Questions Twisted. From my personal experience, Before anyone could successfuly Soul Travel, unconditional love must be involve. The fear of death is no more and You can accelerate Your ascension by going into one of the Inner Temples of Sacred wisdom to study which i have been privedged in some occasions courtesy soul Travel Experiences.

Good that you said from your personal experience. But there are other possiblities outside of your experience and I will just give you two examples. You can be given a chant linked to the power centers of those who gave you the chant or spiritual exerise and  you will be capable of soul travelling even when you have no love in you. The only difference here is that your soul have travelled to the worlds created and animated by the very masters who gave you the chant or spiritual technique. Look around you and I am confident you will see those who are capable of soul travel but have no unconditional love in them. As they describe there experiences in these their inner worlds, look at their words, thoughts, actions etc to their family or fellow men and you will hopefully percieve how far some of them are from unconditional love. Second, I know about two herbs (will not name them) which if you are given can affect the radiation connection between your soul and the physical body allowing the soul to travel even when you have no love in you. Again, in this second case you will only travel to the worlds of your own creation, nothing more. But for many soul travellers, they will believe that they are experiencing reality but they are not. You can taste what I am saying. Whenever you do your soul travel, question the experience that you have and doubt the masters that appear to you. Sooner rather than later, the inner worlds and the masters that animate these inner worlds will loose their influence on you and cease to exist for you. Stay blessed.

@m_nwankwo
With all due respect. I don't understand with you mean by "the ethereal body of Jesus that was uncovered during the transfiguration." My perception of the transfiguration differs from yours. Please let me know if I misunderstood what you wrote.

I believe that what happened during transfiguration was that the disciples ethereal eyes and ears were opened for a while and with their ethereal eyes they saw Jesus in His ethereal body.

It is my perception that Jesus did not exit his physical body during transfiguration, the disciples saw His ethereal body with their ethereal eyes because the ethereal eyes can only perceive the ethereal. Jesus's physical body could not obscure their vision of his ethereal because they were seeing with their ethereal eyes which can see through the physical.

I think that "uncovered" is the wrong choice of words, because the ethereal body is not actually covered by the physical; being of different species they could only slide next to each other or into each other like lenses of the telescope. One does not need to shed his physical body for his ethereal body to be seen.

Hi Justcool. Thanks for your comments. You misunderstood me. Uncovering simply means opening of the ethereal body. It does not as you seem to understand it mean a separation of the physical body from the ethereal body. Thus, your explanation above is in accord with what uncovering means in the sense I used it.  I do not seee uncovering as a wrong choice of word for it is my experience that the ethereal body can slide in and out of the physical body . I also do know that the ethereal body can be expanded and contracted. Stay blessed.

Curiousmind:

@m.mwankwo

Which Technique did You use to activate Your Ethereal organs and which is the most Effective Technique?

When using The Ethereal Organs, can You perceive Ethereal, Causal, Mental, Astral, physical beings/worlds all Together or You can Only perceive Ethereal beings/worlds alone?

Why cant i see my Guardian Angels in my Out of Body Experiences (Astral Projection/Soul Travel) even Though i invite/summon them, i would not see them?

And How can someone read the Akashic Records without Astral Projecting?

I am sorry if i am off Topic. Please pardon me!

Thank You

Hi curiousmind. I did not use any technique. It is a gift of God. I could have answered your questions but my view is that it will not benefit you spiritually. Astral travel, soul travel and similar things are not a requirement for serving and recognizing God. On the contrarily, they can easily lead one astray. As I already replied to MyJoe earlier in this thread, all that one need to do is to love God with your entire being and love your neighbor as yourself. Then God will permit you all the experiences that are necessary for your own spiritual development. Thus if you need an opening of your inner faculties while you are still on earth for your spiritual development, it will be opened by the power of GOD and such an opening does not require any technique. It only requires living according to the will of God. Best Wishes.

Hi Deepsight.

Nwankwo does not draw his convictions from the bible: just like he has told you: so all the quotes above are no grounds for addressing him.

Nwankwo is a Jewel. Far and above the most esteemed member of the NL Religion Board.

Although I am unable to agree with all that he says: such as his endorsement of the Trinity - a doctrine I am certain I will die still disbelieving - or his perception of the identity of the writer of the Grail Message: I must say that I am always humbled to be addressed by him; and if he were to make a claim to divinity himself, I just might believe it. Cool

I am not divine nor do I harbor any desire to be divine. I am a human spirit who God have given the grace to be his servant.

@ M_Nwankwo -

I am at odds with your statement that Jesus never stated that John the Baptist was Elijah.

I am aware that Jesus stated in plain words exactly that John the Baptist was the returned Elijah - at least as recorded by the Bible.

Now I am further aware that the Bible is not your creed (nor is it my creed) - thus, your statement (to be true) must mean either -

   1. Jesus did actually say that John was Elijah -  as recorded by the Bible, but meant it symbolically or in another sense altogether

   2. Jesus never actually said such a thing - the Bible gives a wrong report of his statement.

Which is it?

Option 2 is the correct one provided you remove this part "the Bible gives a wrong report of his statement". As a rule I do not consider it appropriate to label the bible right or wrong. I simply state what I am permitted to draw from the laws of God and nothing more. As always stay blessed.

It is ontologically impossible for Jesus to have been killed without the knowledge of God or by accident (like u proscribed). . . . .unless of course we are talking about 2 different Jesus here. This is because God is supposed to be omni-potent and omni-scient.
Have u ever considered the possibility that your belief in a non-biblical Jesus might be wrong and may cost u eternity?

Hi again Noetic. Thanks for your response. If you read my posts, I did not say that God have no foreknowledge of the murder of Jesus. I simply stated that it is not the will of God that Jesus should be murdered but that his dastardly murder is due to the evil will of men acting as tools  for the darkness. To have foreknowledge does not mean it is the will of God. God had foreknowledge that we sin, does it mean that it is the will of God that we sin? If an armed robber murders, does God know that he will murder and when he murders, is it the will of God that he murders? God gave men free will out of his omniscience and will not abrogate the free will of men, rather what a man sows, he reaps. God cannot force men to sow this or that seed, and neither will God abrogate the harvests of seeds sown. Thus if you sow corn, you reap corn in multiples, not mango. Maybe when the opportunity present itself, I will offer a detailed explanation of my perception of what omnipotence and omniscience are.

I am absolutely certain that the picture of Jesus that I presented is the Truth, thus it is impossible for my perception on this issue to be false. People are however entitled to have their own opinion on what I have said on this issue. After all, it is their choice, not mine. Stay blessed.

vescucci:

Fascinating stuff as usual. Especially the part about the transfiguration but I still get the feeling that you're trying to find a hand that fits the glove instead of finding a glove that fits the hand, if you catch my drift. Meanwhile, I'd appreciate answers to those questions that puzzle me, if you please. I would sleep better understanding some stuff.

Hi Vescussi. Thanks for your comment. I saw your questions but I am not inwardly moved to answer them. Stay blessed.

@ M_nwankwo

Your case of salvation is quite interesting and funny. But since u do not subscribe to the bible, there is no way we could straighten this out, as it would amount to dogma from both sides. but FYI Jesus stated on no less than 20 occasions in the gospel that He would die and be resurrected. . ,  . .otherwise let me ask you . . , how then was His mission supposed to end here on earth?

Hi Noetic. As I stated in my previous post the mission of Jesus is to bring the Truth and Jesus accomplished this by his holy words as well by his presence in creation including the earth. Yes, Jesus talked about his death and resurrection but he never thought that his death on the cross is redemption. Had Jesus not been murdered at the prime of his youth, he would have lived to a very ripe old age, die naturally and resurrect. Thus whether Jesus died at 33 or 120 years, he would still have resurrected. Resurrection is simply the separation of the spirit from the body and ascent of the spirit into the luminous kingdom of God. In case of Jesus, it was the separation of his bodies from his being which is God and subsequent ascent beyond creation and into God, the father. Jesus wore several bodies, the last of which is the physical body. At his physical death, he lost the physical body as well as the astral body and his outermost covering at the time his followers saw him is the ethereal body, a body often but mistakenly refereed as the resurrection body. In other not to enlarge the picture, I will not go beyond the ethereal body. Thus what the followers saw is the ethereal body of Jesus and they were able to see, feel and torch this body because they themselves also have this ethereal body telescoped into their physical bodies.

Jesus appeared to his followers to show them that the spirit survives physical death and that life continues beyond the physical. Jesus mediated the power that opened the ethereal bodies of his followers permitting them to experience consciously the ethereal world with the organs of the ethereal body. Thus they were able to see, hear, torch and feel the risen messiah. Just like you can clearly recognize physical things with physical organs, so is it that you can recognize and experience ethereal things with ethereal organs. Even today, if your ethereal organs are opened, you can see and interact with people who have died and yet your friends or family will not see anything. I have been permitted to have several experiences of such and so do others irrespective of there religious persuasions. In all cultures, there are authentic stories of a wife seeing the departed husband and think it is the physical husband only to informed that the husband died in a car crash at around 10.00AM in the morning and yet the wife saw the husband by 5.00pm the same day. What she has seen is the husband in an ethereal body but believes that it is the husband in flesh and blood. The realization that what she saw is the departed husband dawns on her when the husband coffin is brought back with a death certificate showing that the husband died at 10.00am in the morning. But since Jesus is a son of God, his ethereal body unlike that of human beings is animated by the unsubstantiate divine essence that is God, thus the ethereal body of Jesus is very luminous. It was the ethereal body of Jesus that was uncovered during the transfiguration. I got to stop here for now. As always stay blessed.

do u believe in hell?

Hi again Noetic. I just saw the question on hell. Yes I know that hell exists but it was not created by God but it came into being as a result of the evil volition's of men. Thus hell is not a divine institution but the work of man. Read again my explanation about how humans use the power of God to "create" forms and you may decipher how hell came into existence. If however it is not clear, I will find time to give a detailed explanation. Stay blessed

noetic17:

U come across as calm and informed. So I'd like to ask you, why did u reject Jesus gift of salvation?

Hi Noetic. Thanks for your question. No, I did not reject Jesus gift of salvation. What I rejected is the notion that the gift of salvation is his death on the cross and that the blood shed by that death is what cleanses sin. My conviction is that the death of Jesus, the son of God is a dastardly murder, a sacrilege committed against God. Thus I do not accept that murder of the physical body of the son of God and blood shed by such a murder will bring redemption. God the Father sent his unsubstantiate divine son, Jesus Christ to save us from our sins by bringing the Truth in his holy words. Mankind particularly the religious leaders at that time vehemently opposed the son of God and his words and sealed their enmity against God by murdering his holy son. Now, that this mankind even went far to elevate this sacrilegious crime to redemption and salvation is even more sacrilegious. Whenever people bring the alibi that something is the will of God, the question is, is it really the will of God or is it the will of men claiming that is the will of God. The answer to this is quite simple. Nothing that comes from God will ever contradict Love, Justice and Purity as these things in there absolute nature is in God. Although people can argue to and fro what love is or is not, what justice is or is not, what purity is or is not, every normal human being in sober moments do recognize with clarity what these things are. Thus God does not use evil either as a means to an end or an end in itself. Evil is absolutely alien to God and God is incapable of evil

Most people including those that share your view of gift of salvation do accept that the betrayal by Judas is evil, the conspiracy by the priests against Jesus is evil, the hatred by the masses against Jesus is evil, the physical torture of the physical body of Jesus is evil and that his death on the cross is murder and yet they also say that it is the will of God. How can betrayal be the will of God? How can hatred be the will of God? How can physical torture be the will of God? How can murder or the blood shed by murder be the will of God? Jesus himself have clearly given a damning verdict on this when in agony he saw the terrible consequences that will befall those who had the effrontery to lay their hands on the innocent holy son of God, love which he is welled up in him and he cried with a loud voice "Father forgive them for they know not what they do". How can God the son be asking for forgiveness for those who murdered him if the murder is the will of God.

When it is claimed that a physical blood of the son of God is redemption or will bring redemption, then one has to explain why a physical blood should have divine powers. To ascribe divine attributes to a physical object including the flesh and blood of Jesus is idolatry. The physical body of Jesus is not God, it is simply a physical cloak used by son of God (Jesus) to experience in the earthly plane. The physical body of Jesus was picked on earth in the womb of Mary and after Jesus death was discarded on earth again. Physical flesh and blood cannot even enter the ethereal plane, much less the kingdom of God and not to talk of being a part of the unsubstantiate divine essence of God. How then can a physical blood bring salvation and subsequent resurrection into the spiritual kingdom of God?

But what then is the true mission of Jesus, the son of God? Mankind was in sin, the power of the darkness has become so strong that any ray of light cannot penetrate the darkness. The power of anything created including prophets, called ones were insufficient to dispel the darkness. Here and there some few human beings were beseeching God for help. Out of love for these very few who in the mist of the suffocating darkness clug to faith in God, God the Father intervened by sending a part of Himself and incarnated it in a male child, Jesus Christ. Jesus thus is God in flesh and being God he can transmit Truth, Light and Life for these are inherent attributes of God. Even before Jesus descended from the unsubstantiated realm of God, God the Father and his son Jesus knew that since Jesus is sheep being sent to wolfs (human beings), it is likely that the wolf will attack and kill the sheep. Thus, thousands of years even before Jesus descended into material creation and finally the earth, this likely hood of him being murdered came as prophecies in many cultures including the Jews. The prophecies are simply a revelation of what will happen if the wolfs remain wolf but more importantly, it was meant to admonish the wolfs to change there ways and welcome the sheep as there Savior and redeemer. Jesus thus knew of the dangers that await him because a majority of human kind are following the darkness but in-spite of this personal danger to Himself, he still embarked on the mission out of love for God the Father and out of Love for humankind.

Jesus thus decended into material creation and then the earth where the luciferian principle held swell. He brought to earth the truth and life in his holy words. Those who wished to serve God, he gave them the power to overcome sin and become a child of God. Through the accompanying miracles many men were awoken from their spiritual slumber and the dark casing around their spirits were shattered by the holy words of Jesus which carries life, truth and power. Darkness rebelled against this mission of love and since it can not get hold on Jesus himself, it made use of human tools , among them are his own disciple Judas and the religious leaders at that time. Jesus was thus murdered not because it is the will of God but because his mission of redemption vanquished the darkness (Lucifer) and his human followers. Jesus was murdered because of the hatred of all that is dark against the LIGHT. Thus the murder of Jesus is due to the evil volitions of men under the prompting of Lucifer who is the darkness.  Jesus did not run away from physical death but faced it as a seal of his conviction in his mission of redemtion and that he is the son of God.

Just like a loving father will jump into the burning house to safe his wife and kids, so did the son of God decend into the darkness to save me and you from our sins. In this crude analogy it is correct to say that the father knew that he might die in the process of saving his family, it is also correct to say that prior to the father entering the inferno experienced fire fighters were aware of the likelyhood that he will die in the inferno and have given this information to bystanders. It is also correct to say that the father entered the fire to save his family. It is correct to say that he successfully rescued his family but died in the process. But it is absolutely wrong to say that he entered the fire to die and that his death in the inferno is what rescued his family.

Salvation lies in the words of Jesus, not on his death or blood shed during his death. God does not use human sacrifice and to think of Almighty God capable of using a ritual that is prevalent only in satanic cults to redeeem his creatures contradicts all that is in God- love, purity, justice and this triad is the basis for the perfection of God. What a man sows, he shall reap and not even God (Jesus) can annul it because he carries the living law in himself. Thus it is impossible for God to annul himself. What God did is to give humanity the detergent to was their cloths (sins). The detergent is his holy words and this holy words have all that is required for our redemption and salvation. Jesus is inseparable from his words. Thus one can say that he who have absorbed the words of Jesus have also absorbed Jesus. In his teaching Jesus Jesus central message is to love God with all your being and love your neighbour as yourself. He who adjusts his life accordingly will be permitted a resurrection out of the world of matter to the kingdom of God where there is life and light. Thus the words of Jesus will be fufilled " I am the way, the truth and the life and no body comes to the Father except through me"

Thus, you will see that there is a version of the life and mission of the son of God presented in the bible which you believe in and there is a version of the life and mission of the son of God presented in the Grail Message. I am absolutely convinced that the explanations of the life and mission of Jesus Christ as presented in the Grail Message is the Truth. But then other people hold the one that is presented in the bible as true. I came across the Grail Message outside this material plane but that experience is personal and I will not reveal it here. I have made my own decision, and each person should decide for himself what is the Truth in this matter.  As always stay blessed.

noetic16:

may I ask, what religion u practise?

Hi again Noetic. I do not belong to any religion. But I sense that what you meant is to which spiritual teachings do I adhere to. I live according to the teachings of the Grail Message by Abd-ru-Shin. Stay blessed.

@
m_nwankwo
That makes sense. Reading about yourself somewhere, and not knowing it was you. Honestly, if one's mind isn't ready for something true, it rejects it. I'd always classed reincarnation as 'unbliblical' eastern mysticism.It was shocking to discover the thing happens, and much more besides.

Anyways, do continue your earlier line of thought. You were teaching  MyJoe things, and it's fascinating.

Hi Madmax. I rejoice with you on your recognition that reincarnation do happen. I wish you strength.  I was offering my perception to MyJoe and I am not qualified  to teach him. Stay blessed.

noetic16:

I had like u to shed more light . . , and whats the source of the assertions above? Cos Jesus states clearly in the 4 gospel books that Elijah was John the baptist, and Madmax's analyses tends to make loads of sense.

Hi Noetic. The information I stated in my post is not from the bible. What I said is what I am permitted to spirtually draw from the laws of God. The laws of God record every happening in creation and sometimes I am permitted to look into these records. Now I intentionally did not say the name because it is a name most christians are familiar with and it will raise more questions and will lead into step by step revelation of identity of Elijah in his various incarnations on earth. I do not consider the revelation of his identity to be of spirtual benefit. Besides, I am also not permitted to reveal the identity of this specially called servant of God. But that does not mean that others cannot not come to such knowledge. It lies in the omniscience of God to reveal such to any seeker who need it for his own clarification. Stay blessed.

Hi Madmax. Thanks for your input.

Illuminating.
One thing I don't get though. You say a devotee may pray to a holy man, unaware he is praying to himself. Is it possible for the same spirit entity to inhabit biological time and space in multiple instances, simultaneously? How?

No, it is not possible for a spirit to incarnate in more than one physical body at a time. I will give an example to make the point clearer. Just imagine a high school student in Nigeria in a physics class who have just got introduced to Newtons laws of motion. He is awe struck at the genius of Newton and wished that he will someday make some contributions to physics just like Newton. Sadly, inspite of his enthusiasm and interest in physics, he finds it difficult to grasp mathematics and physics. As time went on, he realized that he will not be successful pursuing a career in physics or other mathematical sciences. He is able to have high scores in arts and humanities without effort. He then decides to pursue a career in law and ended up being a very brilliant and successful lawyer. Yet  he is strangely attracted to physics and Newton in particular. On one of his trips to UK , he learns from a friend who is a physicist that original manuscript of Newton paper on the Laws of motion is archived at the University of London library. His physicist friend then took him to the library and showed him the original paper  in Newtons handwriting. As he torched the manuscript and held it in his hands, he was overwhelmed with awe at the genius of his idol. Unknown to him, he is holding a paper he wrote as Isaac Newton in the 16th century but now in the 21st century, he is a young nigerian lawyer with no earthly memory of his life as Isaac Newton in the 16th century.

Thus if we are to use a religious personality, imagine a catholic christian who in 2010 is asking for intercession from a catholic saint who lived in the 6th century and unknown to him he is that catholic saint in a new physical body in 2010, completely oblivious of who he was in the 6th century. If for some reasons, the bandage placed before his eyes is removed so that he can survey his past lives, he will find it comical and probably laugh at himself.

In the Gospels, the Jews clearly knew people reincarnated and sent priests to ask John the Baptist if he was Moses or Elijah. Now Moses and Elijah were dead. John told them he wasn't Elijah. And yet Christ said 'That's Elijah'. Of course John the Baptist would have no memories of his life as Elijah. If he's Elijah that probably meant Elijah did something that compelled his return. Perhaps some work was unfinished. Perhaps a debt was unpaid. But from what I'd read Elijah sounded like someone outstanding. I read through his story again and guess what I found? He threw a challenge to the prophets of Baal. They lost. For reasons best known to himself, maybe as a sort of dramatic flourish to the events of the day, he took the FOUR HUNDRED AND FIFTY prophets of Baal and EXECUTED them. He killed four hundred and fifty people. If you're executing in those times, you behead. Sometimes these heads are hung at city gates.  Did Elijah pay for this thing he had done? No.

Elijah is not John the Baptist. Jesus never said that Elijah is John the Baptist. It is true that Elijah was around when the son of God was on earth but he is not John the Baptist as most people seem to suggest. Elijah in his new physical body (will not mention his name at that time) was a close follower of Jesus. In addition the story of killing the baal prophets is a legend woven around his name. Elijah did not kill anybody although he did confront the prophets worshiping false gods. Elijah faithfully fulfilled his mission and on his earthly death, his soul returned to the kingdom of God where he was prepared for his future mission as a close associate of Jesus, the son of God when he walked the earth 2000 years ago. John the Baptist is a forerunner to the Truth and whenever their will be a physical incarnation of Truth (God), John the Baptist will be sent to clear the way for a son of God. Thus the beheading of John the Baptist has no relation to Elijah. John the Baptist was beheaded because of the evil volition of humans, a consequence of hatred by the darkness to everything that is of the Light.

But John the Baptist, whom Christ said was Elijah, had something interesting happen to him. Herod's niece danced and pleased him and he decided to grant her a boon. She asked for the head of John the baptist at her mother's behest.  And John the Baptist was EXECUTED. He was BEHEADED. The whole thing was so casually done. Someone danced and off goes his head.Maybe his debt is paid. Maybe he has to come back and be executed four hundred and forty-nine more times. But there are inflexible laws in the universe. You reap what you sow.

 

See my explanation above. The laws of God are indeed inflexible but they manifest in infinite number  of ways. Sowing is done in several ways and it will be a wrong concept to imagine that every person killed by an armed rubber was once an armed rubber  that killed somebody in a former earth life. Yes, some are but many are not. Indeed some killed by armed rubbers are killed because of the free will of there fellow human beings. On earth and due to our physical body, the good and the bad, the pure and impure coexist. Thus, it does happen that somebody who have not sown murder can be murdered. How is that possible you may ask if we reap what we sow?. It is possible that the innocent victim sowed by not been alert to the promptings of his spirit and thus ignored its warning. Thus, all spiritual warnings given to him to prevent him being murdered was not hided or ignored. It may also happen that one accepts before coming to this earth certain experiences as a consequence of a particular mission. That is referred a mission karma. Just like a loving father will jump into a burning house to rescue his wife and kids, even at the risk of being burnt or death, so do spiritual helpers, human spirit accept before hand, a congenital disease, a handicap, etc in order to enable them gain necessary experience for a mission. Thus not a single hair of yours can fall except it is what you have put into creations either as a consequence of your free will or a consequence of you accepting pre-physical incarnation the consequence of the free will of your fellow human beings. In addition sowing and reaping is dynamic and happens every second and thus the tapestry of ones fate consists of billions of threads of fate and what we see in this earth life is just a tiny but significant snapshot. Stay blessed.

MyJoe:

Thanks, M_Nwankwo.

You have illuminated this matter beyond my initial expectation. Something you said in the last paragraph particularly rings a bell. There is certainly more, particularly concerning that last issue, but for now, this is just fine. Gracias mucho!

Thank you for your kind words. Stay blessed.

@MyJoe

Good day M_Nwankwo. All you have written has greatly illuminated this matter. Many thanks.

Thank you for your kind words.

But there appear to be highly pious people in all the movements seeing all sorts of things.

Spiritual maturity has nothing to do with being pious. In addition spiritual abilities have nothing to do with religious zeal or belief. Thus many a man may outwardly be pious and yet his spirit is sleeping or dying. You can always recognize the seed sown by looking at the fruits it bears. Where there is genuine spirituality, then only love for God and the creations of God is all that you find. There is no room for fanaticism, fundamentalism, anger, hatred and other kindred evils. Besides, even a called human spirit need countless number of experiences to mature to higher recognition. In most cases, the human spirit just has one or few beginner experiences. These beginner experiences are meant to prepare him for further development but as often happens he or she basks in these experiences and soon create a following for himself. In the process he or she stagnates and the adulation of the ignorant followers take on form and create an ethereal environment that suffocates his genuine ability. His horizon dramatically narrows and he can only hear, feal or see things on the same level as himself and yet he will believe himself to have seen things from higher sphere. Help from pure sources can also not reach him since his vanity in his ability have blocked any connection with the power of God. Because he or she did not realize that his horizon has narrowed, he goes on believing himself to still have the abilities but as history clearly shows, these mystics, pastors, occultists, healers etc become the victim of there own deluded sight. Any seer, prophet or clairvoyant whose volition is not pure will end up giving prophecies that are false, promise healing that never happens and through this, normal people will recognize them for what they are.Thus it is not so difficult to recognize these spiritual charlatans.

Only this is capable of being true of the Supreme God. That is what makes all the confusion disturbing.

The laws of God are uniform, adamantine and irrevocable. But of course many can choose to believe otherwise. The laws of God do not differentiate between a christian and a jew, a buddhist and a moslem, a catholic and a pentecostal, a theist  and atheist, rather it recognizes the human spirit and the the intuitions, motives, thoughts, words and actions that comes from each human being. Just look around you and you will see even in this physical world the uniformity of the laws of God. If a christian sows yam, he will reap yam and so will a Buddhist, an atheist that sow yam. The laws of God brought yam into existence and as an intrinsic atrribute of yam, yam can only give rise to yam. Thus the status, religion, nationality etc of one who does the sowing is irrelevant. No amount of prayer will change yam to corn and it is that simple. Maybe some day, I will offer my perception on what actually are the laws of God and why it is impossible to annul them.

Won’t the prophets and spiritual leaders of the past such as Moses, Ezekiel, Buddha, Laoze, Paul and Mohammed, fall into this category? Which just takes us right back to the confusion?

Many of the prophets you mentioned gave grains of Truth adapted to culture and maturity of their people. And these grains of Truth did not contradict each other. But many of the things attributed to some of these prophets did not come form them, rather they were additions and downright distortions by there followers. Many of the of the prophets you mentioned faithfully fufilled there mission but one or two of them (i will not name them) made some mistakes out of good intention and were forced to reincarnate to rectify there error. Do not be surprised that some of the well known spiritual personalities in past era are here again in different guise and it is even more revealing when one knows why they are forced to be back on earth at this time. Thus imagine a present devotee asking for spiritual favor from a well know "holy man" of his church or religion in past centuries and unknown to him, he is praying to himself for he is the same "holy man" reincarnated in a new physical body.

But still there may be some who for the purpose of spiritual fulfillment devoid of tainted motives wish to experience the divine or the spiritual. Are we to conclude that spiritual knowledge is out of the reach of some? You have already asserted that the exercises common to the mystical schools of thought are not useful and may even lead to harm. Is there a possibility that an Average Joe or Plain Jane can attain spiritual experience and comprehension even though not originally called to be fish?

To rephrase the question: Since you dismiss spiritual exercises as unhelpful what are the steps to growing in spiritual understanding and recognition of the "ways of God"?

Many of the so called average Joe have many of these experiences except that they are not conscious of that in the earthly sense. But if the look dispassionately on some judgments, haunches, circumstances, luck, they will suddenly start to sense a guidance from above and sooner or later the so called invisible worlds will come to life in them. Maybe some day I will explain this further. The steps to spiritual development are clear and simple and I will say the same thing in three different ways. 1, Love God with all your being and love thy neighbor as thyself. 2, Keep the hearth of your thought pure. 3, In our wanderings through creation, we should not bring harm to our fellow wanders either in their soul or in there body. Thus he who loves and is pure have found his way to the kingdom of God. He does not need books or spiritual studies, neither does he need spiritual exercises or experimentation for the Love of God whose rays have come to life in him will carry him with effortless ease to the luminous kingdom of God. Stay blessed.

MyJoe:

@m_nwankwo

Thanks for your excellent post. You have made a lot of points I have not previously considered or was unaware of. When I am a bit freer, I will like to ask some questions.
I think the fact there is so much confusion - with religious folk often resembling dogs yapping at the fence, the wrong fence, for that - strongly points to the fact that God is unknowable. I think. But I am not in a position to dismiss the possibility that he has revealed certain things to certain people.

You are welcomed MyJoe. I agree that we cannot know God but we can certainly know the ways of God. Indeed, it is my view that the purpose of our existence is to know the ways of God and live according to it. Indeed we are products of the will of God and do carry the ability to recognise and leave according to the will of God. The language of God is indelibly written in all creations of God and those who genuinely seek for it will find it. That is why we have to wander through the material, and non material creations of God and through experiencing in these worlds, we have the opportunity of absorbing the the various manifestations of the laws of God so that it is hewn into our spirit, and thus becomes an integral part of the spirit.


Then we have attained the maturity and the purity required for admiitance and counscious experiencing in the luminous kingdom of God. Stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

Hello Sir Nwankwo. Please can you be spacing your writing as it will make your post easier to read. Right now I have to copy it into word and space it before I can read it.

Thanks Deepsight. I will space them next time. Stay blessed.

MyJoe:

^^^ I cannot dispute the above. I cannot. But as you may have noticed, I am here concerned about the usefulness of it all in our apprehension of the ultimate reality. Your abilities have not led you nearer to finding the definite truth about things, have they? You see, I recently attended a forum where the lecturer told someone: "You believe. We know." What makes him make that statement which I find presumptions? That is what I am going on about in this thread.

Why is there no single theme that runs through REVELATIONS which spiritual people hold up as coming from God to serve as "proof" that their way is right?

Hi My Joe. Thanks for your well reasoned posts. The problem is not with vision, dreams or clirvoyance per se. The problem is with man himself. To draw from the power of God requires an inner purity, that is purity of the spirit and that is absolutely decisive in all manner of inner seeing. Such a purity not only guides the seeing one but prevents any extraneous interference from sources that do not swing in the will of God. Genuine spiritual abilities are independent and above any religious or philosophical adherence. If a Budhist and a christian that have attained a pure level of spiritual maturity is shown the kingdom of God in picture, each will recognise in the description of the other what he or she has seen as the kingdom of God. Thus the main reason why there are differences in what believers report is simply that they are not seeing the real stuff, that is, they are not capable of drawing in purity from the power of God. Rather they are drawing from the world of there own creations, worlds that came into existence as a result of the union of their own spiritual voilitions with the principal neutral power of God that is in creation.

Thus, different faiths have their worlds, angels, gods, cathedrals,  moses, buddha, Jesus etc and yet all these creations are not the real spiritual or divine personalities but the creations of the producer. But those entrapped in these worlds are unaware that they are leaving in the worlds, images and personalities of there own creation. Only inner purity and obedience to the laws of God will give the human spirit the mobility to ascend beyond these worlds of sham and draw from luminous sources. Once people draw from luminous sources, there will be no contadiction in what they have seen. The laws of God are uniform and unchageable, it is the varried voilitions of men that create the confusion  and contradiction that you seem to be worried about. Just like a budhist, a christian or even an atheist that sow yam will reap yam, so is it in the real spiritual worlds and manifestations therein.

But no body can see beyond what is stipulated by his inner spiritual maturity even if he wants himself and others to believe otherwise. Thus inwardly impure or fearful people will keep seeing demons of fear, witches and wizards, mystics and sages of all traditions will keep seeing ascended masters, inwardly lustful people will keep having intimacy in dreams and visions of participating in immoral activities, religious prople will keep seing Vigin Mary, Buddha, Moses, Elijah, Jesus, and yet pure childlike human beings will draw from out of the power of God what has happened, is happening and will happen. Most often this last group are not even counscious of this in the physical sense. Even in this last case where genuine seeing is the case, the process of remodelling the purely spiritual pictures to fit into the earthly concept of time and space is a key determinant. The remodelling of the spiritual waves emanating from the spirit by the brain varies with each individual, those who are blessed with this inner sight abilities transform these experiences more accurately than those who acquired these abilities through training and experimentation. No matter how good a swimmer is, he cannot be a fish in water.

Among all peoples and cultures, there are those who God have called to be fish in this regard and thus have both the necessary ability for reception as well as tranformation of the recieved experiences into earthly concept of time and space. Thus , so called spiritual exerises like meditation, chanting, incarntations, taking hallucinogens, fasting, concentration, auto suggestion , self hypnosis etc will at best create an unreliable swimmer but not a fish. In most cases though, these exerises open the spirit to the sham world that I alluded earlier where everything is both possible and impossible. The physical body protects most people from currents emanating from these worlds but if people choose to lift this protecting cover through the various spiritual exerises, then, not only will they  leave in a sham world of there own creations but they can be harmed. Dreams, visions, clairvoyance and similar things are not a requirement for serving God but they can actually lead us astray. Stay blessed.

MyJoe:

This is one of the great threads of recent times. Thanks Deep Sight and m_nwankwo. I have never been able to think of the Holy Spirit in terms of a person, even though this position has been taught by the Grail Message and popular Christianity, but not the Bible. Jesus, on the other hand, I have never been able to equal with God or fuse somewhat into God. Since comprehending the doctrine has always been a problem for me, M_nwankwo’s explanations on this thread, even though I do not accept them and accept the Trinity doctrine even less, have brought some clarity to it, or a version of it.

Hi My Joe. Thanks for your kind words. Stay blessed.

justcool:

@m_nwankwo

Thanks for your clarification, I apologise for misconstruing your sentence. The problem was that I thought that you were saying that forms of our spiritual decisions carry a part of our spirit within them just like Jesus and the Holy spirit carried parts of God within them.

But you explained what you meant in your clarification by saying: 
And I agree with this, which puts the matter at rest. Your expressions 'parts of your spirit' and 'substance of your spirit' are what threw me off. But, once again, sorry for my misreading your words.

But just for the sake of further clarification, in-case another reader misconstrued your post just like I did, I wish to state further that:
Indeed the human spirit uses an ability which resides within the spirit to make decisions. He uses parts of his spirit to make this decision just like we use our brain(which is a part of our physical body) to think. But these earthly decisions and the forms resulting from them do not carry any particle of our brain, otherwise our brains will intime cease to exist as it losses a particle of with every thought that we produce. Like wise the spiritual decisions do not carry any particle of our spirit, otherwise our spirit will intime lose all it's particles and thus cease to exist.

The forms arising from our spiritual decisions(Volition's) are animated by animistic substance, i.e they carry animistic substance within them.

This I believe, does not go against your explanation.

Thanks

Hi again Justcool. Now you have captured what I conveyed in my post. Besides, your illustration with the brain and forms arising from its activities is spot on and makes my explanation clearer. Thank you for this and always feel free to draw my attention to things I said that you do not agree with or want a clarification. I only wish to add that it is the spiritual rays emanating from the spirit of man that makes contact with the principal neutral power of God. Spirtual radiation from the human spirit is however not the human spirit. Stay blessed.

justcool:

My perception is that compering Jesus and the Holy spirit with acts of will of a human spirit, may lead one into great errors.

Trinity is an ability that lies only in Divinity; the human spirit does not in any acts of its will perform this ability, or perform anything resembling this ability.

With all due respect to m_nwankwo, I do not think that the bold part(the part that I put in bold) in your above post is in accord with the Truth. Perhaps maybe I misunderstood your sentence; Please, if you will be kind enough as to explain, I will very much appreciate it.

I intend no disrespect or disccord; I am only making this post because I had said earlier that in this thread that I agree with your perception in this issue; but your latter posts(the part quoted above), I cannot honestly say that I agree with.


Thanks

Hi Justcool. Thanks for your comment. Your perception of what I said does not reflect what I said. I am not comparing what lies in Divinity with the ability of a human spirit. I gave Deepsight a picture that is closer to the perceptive ability of the human spirit and that may help him as he seeks to understand the mystery of Trinity. He like any other human spirit wills something every second and using an ability that resides in the spirit or that he can percieve as an illustration is in my view the correct thing. If you read the entire submission, not just the bolded part, then what I said will be clearer. The sentence "Every spiritual decision uses a substance of your spirit" refers to spiritual or intutive volitions. Questioning what I said or seeking for clarification is neither disrespect or discord but the correct thing to do. I am not the Truth and thus each person should weigh with his spirit whether or not what I said is in accordance with what he percieves the Truth to be. Nobody should accept what I said because M_nwankwo said so but because his spirit recognises what is said as the Truth. Although I am permitted to serve the Truth, I am still ignorant in many things. Thus I can and do make mistakes. As always stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

Frankly, you are a gift. No flattery at all.

Talking with you makes me feel very small.

Oga Deepsight. You wan kill meoooo. Seriously, your sometimes very deep spiritual questions have been of benefit to me as it primes my spirit to greater mobility, permitting me to draw more from the Truth. I thank you for that. Stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

^^^ Why are you so wonderful?

Hahahahahaha Deepsight. Honestly I do not think myself as wonderful. It is incomprehensible to me why many see me that way.

Deep Sight:

^^^ When i was a child I carried a bible everywhere.

My family called me "Pastor."

They are at severe pains at my current perspectives.

Wouldn't it be odd if their constant prophecy turned true.

There is nothing odd. If we are honest, what we sense to be the truth today, we may find in 20 years to be false or partly false and yet in 50 years time we find some truth in it. In this process we are maturing for the truth is constant and unchangeable but its form varies and most human beings can only grasp the form on earth and in middle to lower spheres of the beyond. But without doubt, such a genuine seeker will certainly one day recognize the truth and not the forms of the Truth. It lies within the omnipotence of God to bring any genuine seeker to the Truth. Luminous forces or servants of God will lead any genuine seeker to God with or without the participation of a human being in flesh and blood. Stay blessed