M_nwankwo. Thanks for sharing your perception which is enriching, and which I respect very much; however my perception differs with yours in the issue of Lucifer on many points. I was going to let this issue slide by but I felt compelled to offer mine right next to yours so that each individual would have the opportunity of examining each view. My aim is not to prove you wrong or anything like that; my aim is just to give readers including you, the opportunity to examine my humble point of view.

Hi Justcool. Thanks for your contribution. It is indeed correct to voice your opposition to my views. The experiencing of the Will of God is personal and it is the sacred right of each spirit to voice what he intuitively senses as the Truth. The will of God will at some point in the process of the evolution of each spirit demonstrate in very clear terms whether the perception is right or wrong. I have examined the points you raised and do respect them. But they are opposed to what I sense and what I experience. My point is simple and that is, no wrong or evil volition can be found in the spiritual and primordial spiritual. The spiritual and the primordial spiritual are kingdoms of God (Gods backyard so to speak). Their is nothing more evil than a personal attack against God or his servants. This is exactly what Lucifer did. And to imagine that a radiation of God no matter how endowed can attack God in his own backyard is inconceivable and in my sensing impossible. As always, stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

Thanks for the illumination: but, re: the bold above - does this mean that Lucifer is in fact the "creator" of physical man?

No, Lucifer is not the "creator" of our physical bodies. Our spirits and various envelopes or cloaks of the spirit were created by God, albeit indirectly. Lucifer was sent by God to help the human spirit to awaken its talents and develop. To do this the new spirit seeds need cloaks or bodies that can absorb the material radiations in full vigor and relay it to the spirit. The physical body that the spirit seeds acquired from ape like animals need a transformation from ape like bodies to the human body that we know today. Part of the mission of Lucifer is to be a mediator in this transformation of the ape like body to the human body via his radiations. This among other things resulted in the upright figure, massive development of the brain and the ability to talk and evolve a language. Lucifer's radiation to the astral bodies of the wandering incarnated spirits activated the "astral DNA" codes that resulted in the biological genetic mutations that underpins the evolution of the human body from ape like bodies. His success particularly with the development of the human intellect made him indulge in the volition that he is the starting point for these changes instead of being just a mediator of Gods power. This was the beginning of his end for whenever a creature or a radiation of God (no matter how exalted) imagines himself to be God, then such a being will loose connection with Life (God) and the loss of the connection ends in the fall of such a being. For a being whose origin is with creation, the fall will result in spiritual death, the cessation of self consciousness and for a being that has its origin outside of creation, ie, a divine being, the fall will result in expulsion from the divine, the spiritual, the animistic and the world of matter. We can not conceive it but there is nothing more terrible for a being who have once experienced the divine worlds to loose the ability to experience in the divine worlds. That is the state that Lucifer has put himself. As always stay blessed.

Hi Justcool and DeepSight.

My perception and experience is that the events with Lucifer, the dragon and the queen of heaven did not take place in the primordial or spiritual planes but rather took place in the world of matter (the ethereal plane to be precise). My sensing is that it is impossible for darkness (in this case the evil promptings of lucifer) to penetrate to the to realms of Light which in this context are the spiritual and primordial spiritual planes. At the command of God the Father, volition of Lucifer was radiated out of the divine sphere into creation and this living volition of Lucifer descended until the transitory plane between the the world of matter and the animistic realm. It was at this transitory plane that the living volition of Lucifer have its field of activity and it was from here that it directed the development and evolution of the physical cloak of the the freshly incarnated human spirits especially the human brain. It was here too that he opposed the will of God, and thus automatically severed the radiation link between him and the divine sphere. The fallen Lucifer did send his volition to attack all that is of God including the future son of man, the primordial queen but these evil volition because of their density were held back at this transitory plane and could go no further. It is at this point that the recognition fully dawned on Lucifer that he has indeed fallen and lost connection with God the Father. The evil activities of lucifer have the potential to undermine or entirely prevent the proposed work of redemption by both the son of man and later the son of God because this transitory plane although it is the highest point in the world of matter is the transformation plane of different spiritual currents/energies that streams into material creations from above. Currents that are indispensable for the germination, growth and evolution of material creations as well as spirtual and animistic beings that have incarnated in material creations. Automatically host of angels and other beings were sent to this sphere to battle the fallen Lucifer and his evil volitions and other hosts that succumbed to his evil principle. The fallen Lucifer and its followers lost the battle and lucifer was "chased" out of this highest point in the world of matter into a region under the world of matter. This epic battle have filtered to other parts of material creation through the mediation of servants of God that are called for such purpose. Thus some parts it can be found in the sacred scriptures of religions.

It was impossible for Lucifer to fail even in the primordial spiritual and spiritual spheres. The pressure of the power of God is still so strong that a deviation from the will of God is impossible. It was only in material creation which are cosmic distances from God can alien volition arise in Lucifer. Evil or darkness cannot ascend to the kingdom of God. All battles and temptation between the Light and darkness only happen in the realms of material creation. The fall of man, the battle between Light and darkness as reported in Revelation, the temptation of Jesus, etc all happened in the world of matter. As always stay blessed.

plaetton: Consciousness defines reality. An Altered state of consciousness produces an altered perception of reality.
The universe, is , ultimately, a projection of our consciousness.

We see how drugs can alter our reality by simply elevating or altering the vibrational rate of our consciousness(our brain waves).
Therefore, Reality does not exist without the consciousness that defines it.

This brings us a very important question- Can an individual consciousness survive the physical dematerialisation(death) of the body?

If yes, how does the surviving intangible consciousness percieve any reality?

If no,does't that mean that universe ceases to exist since that consciousness no longer exists to percieve it?
The implication is that universe is probably a holographic projection that consciousness uses as an interface between it and nothingness.
It would mean that universe does not really exist except for the 7 billions units of exiled consciousness that percieve it as real in this planet.

And this again brings me to another question.
Did consciousness exist prior to the formation of the universe, or, is consciousness a by-product of energy interactions within the universe?

Were we conscious before we were born or did we grow into consciousness as our foetal brain waves reached a critical threshold?

This has great implications for the idea of an aftelifer, for , if we grew into consciousness, then consciousness would not be expected to survive the destruction of the physical body.
In this case the notion of an afterlife quickly becomes a big dud.
Not so?

Where is N Nwankwo? I would love to see his opinions on this.

Hi Plaetton. Thanks for inviting me to your interesting thread. I will offer my perception on the issues that you have raised on or before the weekend. Stay blessed.

Hi Plaetton.

@N.Nwankwo.
Thanks again for your eloquent and insightful response.
I just want to correct that I never implied that mainstream science was investigating spirituality, no, what i was trying to convey was that based on what I have learned about the current trends in quantum physics and other exotic new areas of science,we are venturing into areas of knowledge that had been hitherto relegated to thte realms of spirituality.There is a slow but gradual convergence of what is seem as spiritual and physical observable phenomena.Things spiritual may turn out to be just physical manifestations of matter at higher or yet to be understood levels.

Thanks for the clarification. My main reason for reminding you that science does not investigate spirituality is that if one must talk science, then conclusions or interpretation of results must me supported by the data. When conclusions are made that are not supported by data, that is pure speculation. Those who are involved in academic peer review know that wild speculation is a major criteria for outright rejection of scientific manuscripts. There is nothing wrong in speculating about the implication of scientific observations provided that one recognizes that those speculations are not science and should not be provided as a scientific evidence.

Again my view is that matter and spirit are entirely different species of creation. Yes, there are several gradations of matter that oscillate at higher "frequencies" but these gradations are not spirits. In the context that I am using "species", no amount of transformation will change matter to spirit. Matter and spirit are entirely different species which cannot merge into each other but can be held together by union. I have previously mentioned that secondary emanations from higher spirits "produce" spirit particles (different from the human spirit) that animates matter. Several material layers envelope these particles. In my perception anyone who is permitted to know how to liberate the spirit particles from matter will have answers to all the mysteries in material creation. Like layers in an onion, as you peal out the layers and get closer and closer to the spirit particle, then the more mysterious the behavior of these materially enveloped spirit particles become. Because, the denser material layers have already been peeled off, they are no more subject to the gross material laws of physics but subject to other laws that are determined by there finer outermost material covering. It is for this reason (in my view) that some of the physical laws of physics appear to break down at the sub-atomic level. Since these spirit particles are the source of what is regarded as energy in matter, it may become clear why stars are just an amalgamation of these materially enveloped spirit particles.

Infact, all the knowledge and technologies we take for granted today would have been seem as spiritual mechinations by people who lived just 150 to 200yrs ago.
My grandmother still cannot believe that she can see and talk with me over a video conference on a pc thousands of miles apart.
"The white man must be a spirit" she says, "because only a spirit could make such things possible".

Yes, it will be so if one makes deductions based only on the ability of the brain. The spirit which is the breath of God have a birds eye view and is aware that these technologies of today have always existed as models in spheres of existence finer than gross matter. The "surprise" to the spirit is that those called to transfer these models into earthly reality lacked the humility to draw in purity such that in the transfer to earthly realities, these non-earthly prototypes were not accurately reflected in the earthly technologies. On the other hand, an earthly scientist of today will be surprised if he is shown that specially called ones from Onitsha, Lagos, Berlin, London, etc can have a meeting in Newyork without being physically present in NewYork. There is much more in creation than what science acknowledges.

I dont think any scientist is out to prove or disprove the existence of god,rather scientific knowledge has allowed people like me to consider that the universe probably did not and does need a god to design, create or manage it.

Again it is all a matter of interpretation and this interpretation is to a large extent dependent on the spiritual maturity of the scientist. After more than a decade of research in molecular biology, I can only perceive of the divine intelligence that created, develops and maintains biological life. This is my own interpretation or rather what my spirit senses. My interpretation is however not a scientific evidence. Colleagues who have similar skill and training as myself but happen to be atheists see in their research (even in papers that we co-author) a sign that God did not create, develop and maintain biological life. We have a choice to believe in God or not. What ever each individual chooses is his responsibility. What is important is that that choice is honest and born out of his own experience.

If the soul or spirit is just a higher and purer form of energy, I have absolutely have no doubts, that in time, science will be able to detect, observe, isolate and even manipulate it.
It sounds scary, but Never say never.

See above for my perception on this your view. Stay blessed.

Hi plaetton. Thanks for your comments on my post. Find below my response to some of the issues that you raised.

In other words, spirituality is a god-centered concept?
First, how did you arrive at this view, from observation, experimentation and analysis?
Are these theories, hypothesises or observable and tested facts?
What if there is no god? Or is spirituality meaningless without god?

Yes, there is no spirituality without God. Whether or not the brain of the seeker who is connected to God is aware of this connection on earth is irrelevant. My position is that it is the spirit that is connected to God and his Will. Of course the spirit can radiate the information in a transformed way to the earthly brain but that requires that the bridges of radiation linking the spirit to the brain, albeit indirectly have not been completely destroyed or masked by attachment to matter. If the bridge have been destroyed, then the brain cannot consciously receive the experiences of the spirit. The brain is simply an instrument used by the spirit and if the brain or the connection between the brain and the spirit is destroyed, then the spirit in an earthly body will naturally transmit its experiences but the brain cannot receive it because the connection is broken or the brain itself is unhealthy.

Observation, experimentation and research are methods used by the brain to understand physical realities. The spirit have its own faculties to experience spiritual realities. That faculty is intuitive perception and this faculty can access spiritual realities in a flash. To answer your question, what I state is based on my experiencing of these spiritual realities with my intuition as well as my experiencing of revelations from Gods envoys with my intuition. Yes, they are observable and reproducible provided the skeptic will gladly use the same faculty of the spirit that I use. It is indeed strange that people want to investigate spiritual realities with microscopes, telescopes and mathematical calculations. Even in science, you do not study molecular biology with the methods developed for astrophysics. Even in peer review literature reproducibility is based on the principle that you use exactly the same experimental protocol. Those who want to investigate or study the will of God in non material spheres with scientific methods and technologies are akin to a person who want to amplify DNA using cement as primers.

I am absolutely certain that God is. Thus the possibility of God not existing is out of question and will never cross my mind. I know that God is. I am a spark out of his emanations. It is inconceivable that a spark of life will not be aware of Life (God). How do I know. I know because in creating me, God the creator implanted a spiritual antennae (intuition) so that in all my sojourns away from home (spiritual realm), I will always receive of his power and in the reception of his power lies the awareness that God is.

Your view sounds like a very eloquent sermon for those who believe in the existence of god. For those of us who do not,it sounds like the same old eloquent mombo jumbo(no disrespect intended),notions that have no factual basis, just another form of faith.
Not so?

If it is mumbo jumbo, then throw what I said into the dustbin. You cannot have faith without experiencing. It is the experiencing that gives you the conviction that God is. Faith as I described above is a genuine ability that is granted to a spirit or creature who have absorbed the life transforming radiations of Gods power. Faith is a genuine concept as opposed to blind fate.

f spirtuality is god-centered, then just like all faiths, everyone would seem to have a different and sometimes conflicting variants of spirituality. Not so?

If, like faith, spiritual concepts, ideals, experiences are coloured in ones cultural and religious ideals,prejudices,fears and needs, then it goes back to my original question: Does it have any value outside the head of an individual? Can it or has it ever been a tranformative agent in any society or for humanity?

Look at how I described faith above. Faith is not religion. Those who see the colour or prejudices without seeing the truth that is colored by the prejudices have not had spiritual experiences. Those permitted spiritual experiences will not only see the truth that was colored but also see how the prejudices, fears, etc were used to mask the truth. A bud-hist, a christian, a hindu, etc on the same level of spiritual maturity will have identical spiritual experiences. If an image of a section of heaven is mediated to them by invisible servants of God, each of them will recognize heaven in the description made by the other. Pleatton in a red suit, yellow suit, white suit will easily be recognized by those who know him irrespective of the color of his suit. However, cases of mistaken identity will arise for those who do not know plaetton. They will think that plaetton with red suit is not the same as plaetton in black suit. Spiritual experiences do not just change the individual but affects his environment and all those who cross his part. The concept of born again is not an idle statement but a genuine experience in which a seeker is transformed such that old ways vanish without a trace. I would give specific examples of real life spiritual experiences when I sense you are at least willing to consider them.

As someone who has walked the spiritual path(my own verson of it),my interest in astronomy and physics have led me to the conclusion that what we term "spiritual" are simply higher physics,hyper-dimension physics.

Unfortunately,this higher physics(spirituality) has come to us from our early beginnings, garbed in confusing and conflicting philosophies and religions simply because of the manner in which they were bequetted to humanity eons ago.

Now you are employing the same blind faith which you accuse theist of. I am not aware that astronomy and physics are investigation into spirituality and related concepts. I am certain that there is no peer reviewed scientific literature in quantum physics or any other scientific discipline investigating spirituality. Science cannot be used to prove or disprove the existence of God. God, spirituality and similar matters are not within the realm of science. It is a waste of time in my view to use scientific methods and technologies to prove or disprove the existence of God.

Even when clothed with intimidating scientific names,The physical and spiritual actually converge at some point as we get into the areas quantum physics, super-conductivity,torsion fields, etc.

Therefore, in my mind, the erstwhile distinction between scientific knowledge and spiritual knowledge is being gradually blurred as we adavance, through scientific studies, in the knowledge of the basic mechanics of the universe.

I respect your views but my view is that what is stated above cannot be demonstrated with scientific methods and technologies. If you have peer reviewed articles on these, please refer me to them. I will be happy to examine them.

Science, not spirituality, is the key to understanding the universe and our place in it

Science is just an instrument used to investigate and understand the physical manifestations of the laws of God. The living laws of God, God, who we are, our purpose of existence and the manifestation of the laws of God in other planes that are not physical can be illumined with the faculties of the spirit. In future though, the brain will once again accept direction from the spirit and this will lead to a new science that is not bound to the earthly time and space only. As always, stay blessed.

mazaje: Reading soe comments here and LOL. . .

"A spirit wearing several non-spiritual bodies in addition to the physical body is man on earth. God created the spirits and the intrinsic quest of the spirits to know the creator and adapt itself to the living laws of God is spirituality."

The way people go about confidently talking about things they have no evidence for is really mind blowing. . .Spirit, spirituality, bla bla bla. . .The mumbo jumbo continues. . .Me i just dey for side dey laugh. ..

Hi mazaje.Hahhahahahahahha. I respect your comments but I completely disagree with it. Spirituality is mumbo-jumbo to you but to me it is a living experiencing of the power and will of God, the creator of all the worlds. In my view, there is nothing more important and more joyful than a connection with God. Others can question it or even mock it but that is there choice, not mine. Stay blessed.

Chrisbenogor:

@M_nwankwo
As always your submissions are quite very deep, when I do get a change of heart about religion maybe I will talk to you hehehehehehehe sounds a lot better than this prosperity thing flying around.

Hi Chris. Great to read from you. Hahahahahahahha. Stay blessed my brother.

musKeeto: Good day, m-nwankwo. I appreciate your reply and hope you try to clear up some confusions I may have...


What do you mean by non-spiritual bodies? Ordinarily, I would have taken that to mean 'physical body', but you seem to differentiate between both. Are there any other bodies apart from the spiritual and physical?

Hi musKeeto. Thanks for your question. Yes, there are several bodies that the spirit is enveloped with. A body is an envelope or an instrument that enables the spirit to experience in parts of creations that is of the same nature as the body. We originated as unconscious spirit germs or seeds in the kingdom of God. In the kingdom of God, we will eternally remain in this state of unconsciousness. However the unconscious urge for consciousness is hardwired in the spirit seeds. God created several worlds beneath the spiritual that has the possibility of awakening the spirit seeds to consciousnesses and later to self consciousness. Just like a seed can only germinate and grow into a tree that bears fruits if it is sown on a fertile soil with the appropriate warmth, water and minerals, so will spirit seeds awaken to consciousness if they are sown into the lower worlds that are non-spiritual. These lower worlds contain all that is necessary to awaken the slumbering spirit seeds to consciousness and initiate its spiritual development that will result in the emergence of a self conscious spirit being with a name and personality. What started as an unconscious spirit seeds ends up as a self conscious spirit whose activities swings in harmony with the laws of God.

To experience in these lower worlds, the spirit acquires a body corresponding to the substance of these lower worlds. Just like you cannot see a virus with your naked eye but with an electron microscope, the spirit need these bodies as an instrument to experience in these lower worlds. There are broadly nine of these bodies and the physical body is the outermost.As a spirit germ descends into non-spiritual creations, it acquires these bodies one after another. When the spirit is ready to experience on earth, it then acquires the physical body by taking possession of the physical body developing in the womb of a woman. On earth, the spirit thus experiences through the physical body. In the astral plane a spirit experiences with the astral body, in the ethereal worlds, the spirit experiences with the ethereal body and in the different planes of the animistic world a spirit experiences with the animistic bodies. The ascension of a matured spirit back to the kingdom of God is a reverse of the process described above. In this instance the spirit sheds the bodies, first the physical body and lastly the finest animistic body. Veiled in a spiritual body that is radiant, the spirit being then ascends to the luminous spiritual kingdom of God. You may have to read some of my previous posts in order to understand what I am saying. Therefore man on earth have other bodies with there respective faculties. It is therefore very possible to experience other realms of creations while still a man on earth in flesh and blood. It is a process of opening up the radiation connections between the various bodies and the spirit. Matter is motionless and incapable of movement except when animated by the spirit. It is also important to note that there are billions of gradations of what spirit is. For instance we are human spirit. There are also spirit particles which is the origin of what is regarded as energy in material creations. These spirit particles are secondary emanations from higher spirits known as primordial spirits. The birth, development and evolution of material universes is dependent on these spirit particles. Every atom have as it innermost core, the spirit particle. Invincible servants of God bring unions of these spirit particles that lead to the creation of stars, galaxies and indeed the universe.

Spirits of individuals who have discarded this physical body by the process of death appear with the ethereal body. The ethereal is finer than the physical and thus the physical laws of gravity and similar things do not apply to the ethereal. Thus a departed soul who appeared to relatives or friends can pass through closed walls, suddenly appear and disappear, etc. The laws of God are the same but the manifest differently in various planes of creation. There is nothing mysterious about these other bodies. Many have seen them. I have seen a lot of people who have departed in the so called death. To me, it is more real than typing this reply on the computer. I got to stop here. As always, stay blessed.

Hi Plaetton. Thanks for the thread. My view is that spirit is a living breath from God or a spark that emanated from God. Man is spirit. A spirit wearing non-spiritual bodies with the exception of the physical body is the soul. A spirit wearing several non-spiritual bodies in addition to the physical body is man on earth. God created the spirits and the intrinsic quest of the spirits to know the creator and adapt itself to the living laws of God is spirituality. The purpose of spirituality is to find supreme happiness. To find this supreme happiness such that it becomes an integral part of our spirits, spirits must journey through several creations (both materially visible and invincible) of God, absorbing the different manifestation of the the laws of God. By absorbing or experiencing the laws of God, the inherent potentials or talents that slumbers within the spirit are awakened. These potentials mature into abilities and these abilities then automatically link the spirits to God, the creator. A recognition of God and a conscious experiencing of the "presence" of God results in supreme happiness. Whether on earth on in other non-material spheres, spirits who experience the "presence" of God or more appropriately the power of God are imbued with celestial happiness and and a knowing conviction in the omnipotence and omniscience of God. Such a spirit have found its spirituality. There cannot be spirituality without experiencing. Those who are seeking for God have to experience and in the spark of God that is them, they have all the faculties for the recognition of God.

Genuine spirituality manifests in love of God and for all the creations of God. A man who have found God and his Will, will always radiate love and joy and these qualities will consciously or unconsciously be visible to those who cross his or her path. If believers practically live their lives according to the laws of God, then this earth would already be a paradise where only the will of God reigns. Our works (words, thoughts, actions, imagination, dreams and intuition) are a direct consequence of the state of evolution of our spirits. We should look at our works and that of our neighbors and we will easily find out where we stand spiritually, whether we are servants of God or agents of the darkness. As they say "the hood does not make the monk". Any man who cannot spontaneously rejoice at the success of his neighbor and cannot spontaneously share in his sorrow is very far from God irrespective of his religious beliefs. Genuine spirituality manifests through the nature of our being, that is our works but not through what we preach or teach. The urge for the recognition of God is intrinsic to the spirit, it is hardwired in the spirit. Only the the water of life that are intrinsic part of Gods power can quench this longing. Thus until the spirit have a genuine recognition of God, the longing continues. It can manifest in harmful religious practices, extreme materialism, attachment to earthly pleasures, denial of the existence of God, religious prostitution (jumping from one religion or movement to another), etc. Whatever it is, the spirit moves on this journey and someday either in this life or in another earthlife or in non-earthly spheres, the recognition of God, his creator will come. The bandage will fall from his eyes and he will look back across time and wonder how it was possible that something so obvious escaped his conscious recognition. As always, stay blessed.

Deep Sight:
Permit me, as I never did, to thank you for the foregoing very illuminating write up.

Hi DeepSight. Thank you for your kind words. Stay blessed.

I am just seeing this last response from you five months after. Excellent explanation. I think it delivers your point to perfection. However let us look at these divine radiations and the fact that they are co-eternal with God itself: does this mean that they eternally spawn creations (which will mean some sort of creations have eternally existed) or that the radiations only coalesce into creations if expressly willed by the mind of the creator?

Would such "express willing" be consistent with immutability of the creator?

I think I once discussed acts of intervention with you and justcool as being inconsistent with an adamantine and immutable God.

Hi DeepSight. Thanks for your kind words. The answer to your question lies in understanding the meaning of two words: eternity and creation. Eternity is, meaning that it has no beginning nor end. Creation on the other hand began to exist. Thus in reality, creation is not eternal since it began to exist at a "point". Thus in the strict sense of the word, it will be inaccurate to regard the divine realm and beings inhabiting it as creations. The divine realm consists of formed and unformed direct emanations of God, and these direct emanations are eternal. The divine beings are full of activity but these activities have always been and it is impossible to to say that the activities started at this point or the other. The activities of the divine beings is. Thus, it will be wrong to label the activities of the divine beings as creations because these activities have no beginning or end. Now a little digression which may help you get the picture I am painting. It is only within creation where these direct emanations of God have cooled off with the resultant decrease in pressure, an effect of the power of God is it possible to differentiate the end and the beginning. Outside of creation, in the divine realm, in the "proximity" of GOD, the pressure due to the power of GOD have not slackened or cooled down, thus all activities are instantaneous, the end is the beginning and the beginning is the end. In other words it did not begin to exist but has always being, no beginning and no endiing. I know it is difficult to form a mental picture of this but I am sure your spirit will sense what I am trying to say.

Yes, we have discussed this before. My position remains that a conscious act of Gods will is compatible with an adamantine and immutable God. Just try to see that a conscious act of Gods will is an immutable but not arbitrary act. The omniscience of God lies in the fact that his adamantine and immutable laws are all encompassing such that it can take care of all possibilities. Thus there are contingencies for known and unknown possibilities within creation. These contingencies are not arbitrary acts as you seem to suggest but a fulfillment of the adamantine and immutable laws of God. Just remember that God is the Living Law. As always stay blessed.

Free Will is a gift of God. There can be no spiritual maturity without Free Will. Free Will is the spiritual ability to make a choice. It is an ability that resides in the spirit. It gives man the ability to attract from out of Gods creations what inwardly vibrates within the spirit. The spiritual desire emanates from the spirit, setting it aglow such that the spiritual body and other cloaks surrounding the spirit becomes magnetic. That magnetism then attracts from the countless formed and formed energies in the universe that which is of the same vibration as that willed by Man. The human spirit is absolutely free to set itself aglow with any desire it so chooses but what he attracts from creation as a result of this desire must be of the same nature as the desire itself. In other words the choice is free but the consequences of the choice is irrevocable. What you sow, you reap. It is that simple. If you sow yam and then found out that you do not like yam but banana, then you are free to sow banana but you cannot compel the yam you sowed to become banana. The laws of God which manifests in the precise genetic program that allow yam to reproduce only yam and not otherwise prevents yam from becoming banana. As in this earthly analogy, so it is in spiritual things too. By making varied choices and attracting the consequences, the spirit gradually learns how to discriminate and this marks the beginning of his development. Thus God does not bless or punish anyone. The laws of God which indeed are the intrinsic abilities present in every particle or species of creation ensures that each man attracts to himself that, that he actually desires. We are not created as fully self conscious spiritual beings, rather we were created as spiritual seeds that need development to become a self conscious spiritual being. That development to a self conscious spiritual personality (a copy of an image of God) requires the ability of free will.

No body is forced to embark on this journey. We are experiencing in matter because we "asked" God to give us the opportunity to mature and become a copy of his image. Trillions of spirit seeds who have not reached the stage to "ask" God for development are still slumbering as unconscious spirit seeds in heaven, the kingdom of God and trillions of others that have just ripened to the stage to "ask" for development are being expelled to other parts of this material creation (not our own part) to embark on their quest for development. Yes, hell exists but hell is not the creation of God but the work of Man. Hell arose as a result of the use of free will to create evil forms. The spiritual ability of free will can brings forms into existence by pressing different gradations of the power of God into a union. Thus by the power of free will, Man has the ability to create forms by union of the different radiations of God. If radiations of God are mixed in the sense of their intrinsic nature, then the forms created will be harmonious and good and only happiness and joy will be the result. If however incompatible radiations are pressed into union by the power of freewill, then only evil and disaster will be the result. Hell, diseases, evil etc only came into existence because of the wrong mixing of the radiations of God,they were not created by God but a consequence of the free will. If God acts in his creations, the will of God only result in the harmonious mixing of compatible radiations and thus only good can arise with all manifestations of God. When people question the origin of evil deeds, they seem not to differentiate with Gods creations in its original stage and development or application of these primordial particles. A crude analogy may suffice. Buried in the nucleus of an atom is an energy we call atomic energy. In this state it is just atomic energy and stands outside the concepts of good and evil. If however by the exercise of free will we exploit this energy to create atomic bombs or nuclear power station, then this application is either good or evil. The same holds true for all gradations of energies or radiations of God. Even the sexual energy is included.

Now if man have used the power of the free will for the purpose that God gave it to him, that is spiritual development, he will become a copy of the image of God and will one day return back to heaven, the kingdom of God as a self conscious spiritual personality and from where he will contribute to the development and evolution of various creations of God. If however, he used the power of free will to bring about disharmonious mix of radiations, then, the evil forms he created will trap him with the world of matter. World of matter is not eternal but subject to evolution and development. Thus the world of matter will come to an end and from the end another new beginning. Thus a human spirit who have acquired the self conscious personality in the wrong way will have this personality disintegrated with the disintegrating world of matter and returns to unconscious spirit seeds. Freed from the encumbrance of matter, the unconscious spirit floats back to to heaven where it slumbers until such a time that the urge for development awakens. Then it is expelled again as a fresh spirit seed into a new material creation for his development.Eternal damnation is the disintegration of the acquired spiritual personality. With such a deed, the most painful thing that can happen to a spirit that have become self conscious, the spirit cease to exist as person. It has no name and have being erased from the book of life (the laws of God). Salvation or damnation lies within man and it is his free will that decides what is in stock for him or her. Happily though, after several painful experiences spanning millions of earth years in many planes of creation including the earth, many a spirit develop in the sense of the laws of God and find there way back to heaven, the kingdom of God as a copy of the image of God. Man is solely responsible for his destiny. Yes, there is destiny but it man that makes his destiny. The laws of God only returns to each person what he has sown in multiples. As one prophet of God once said "As men stir their little ship of life, so will it glide through the water of life". You sow wind, you reap whirlwind. You sow a corn and you reap corn cobs with hundreds of grain per corn. Best Wishes.

Deep Sight:

@ Nwankwo, are you sure you are not coloured by your Grail Message understanding that there cannot be any communication between the seven realms of the universe?

Because if you are not, there are artworks that are difficult to explain outside the context of the OP O? Very ancient art works that really make one wonder as to what the artists were indeed portraying?

We really must face up to the fact that our indoctrinations do colour our perspectives. In light of the position of the authour of the message on this matter, I really am not surprised at your position on this matter nor that of justcool.

Just bear in mind that this is no different from the position of anyone who has a preconceived notion. If an alien spaceship were to land right in front of you today, I verily believe that your convictions based on the message will lead you to develop a convenient explanation for it. I say this in good faith: you know I absolutely revere you: but in reality I believe that absolute adherence to a body of teachings expressed by another can verily limit the exploration of possibilities.

You will never condone or explore any possibility that goes against that which Abd Ru Shin has set out. That, in my mind, is a limitation.

I adhere to the teachings of the Grail Message not because Abd-ru-Shin said so but because my spirit have had trillions of spiritual experience that confirms what Abd-ru-Shin wrote. I can actually draw from from several of those encounters and shed many a light even on the questions of aliens. I can also go back in time to those civilizations and reproduce the events in past eras. I keep quiet on some topics simply because I know that such knowledge have no spiritual benefit. Even in spiritual reproductions which I have personally experienced, I do not employ science to justify it. I urge seekers to employ the spiritual faculty to decipher whether what is said is the Truth or not. Being a scientist with more than two decades in scientific research, I know that you can not use science to justify or rationalize spiritual realities. Neither can you use spiritual evidence to justify material or scientific process. Using science to explain spiritual realities is pseudo science and employing spiritual experiences to justify or rationalize material or scientific events is pseudo spirituality.

Yes, you may consider it a limitation and I respect that. However, I am sure that if you know what I know, you may see why I hold some stand that you at the moment do not agree with. As always, stay blessed.

Jenwitemi:

Physical evidences abound all over the planet, mate. At an age when humans on this planet were not supposed to have any knowledge of technology or science, we have thousands of megalithic structures that not even humans of today, with their modern technology, could replicate. Can anybody explain away that disparity? You should also read the work of Michael Cremo, "The Forbidden Archaeology" to have a full understanding of the volume of evidence that exist for anyone to study. Saying that there is no evidence is just being plain ignorant and mischievous. The evidence of very highly advanced civilizations both technologically and scientifically that have inhabited this planet in the remote past is OVERWHELMING, and that is only on land. The body of evidence submerged under the world oceans that have not been properly explored only adds even more to the  overwhelming  body of evidence on the planet.

The issue here is not about past civilizations. The issue is on the role of "aliens" in human civilization. Scientific method inspite of its limitations remains the best way to investigate physical or material evidence. The Forbidden Archaeology  by Michael Cremo is not a scientific work. Stay blessed.

There is no scientific evidence that "aliens" as explained in this thread have visited the earth in past eras or presently . I challenge anybody who have it to present here. Best Wishes.

@DeepSight

Oh please don't keep us waiting! Justcool gave some views and I would dearly love to see yours!

I will offer my perceptions when I sense that what I will say will be of spiritual benefit to some. It may happen in this thread, outside of this thread or in non-physical realms.

Now, if after my inquiries, I find that the theory has no merit - I would not have lost anything - rather, I would have gained more knowledge - and a telescope Cool.

What I believe is absolutely unimpeachable is that there are gaps in history which conventional history books do not contain. Exploring the possibilities therein for me, is a great and intruiging thing. As plaetton said, I guess people are just made different.

There are gaps in virtually everything that has to do with human knowledge, from evolution to history. The possibilities that you guys seem to be exploring assumes that  "aliens" have physical interaction with the earth. In that case, Martian is asking for the physical evidence for such an interaction. My view is that in spite of his use of ridicule, his questions are justified. A physical interaction must leave behind physical evidence. I am not holding brief for Martian as I personally disagree with many of his stance on spirituality but I am certain he is a genuine seeker for the Truth. If he sees enough evidence, he will believe but will ridicule or even mock when he sees little or no evidence. Stay blessed.

I may in future offer my own personal experience and perception on the issue of "aliens". Although Martian sometimes employs "ridicule" in his posts, I think that his skeptical mind is a very good thing and must be commended. Human imagination is quite powerful and if unchecked can run riot creating a sham world where everything is both possible and impossible. Best Wishes.

FXKing2012:

Then pls tell me what shapes cosmic events cos I really wanna know. Pls tell me how the universe and everything in it came into existence cos u seem to have the answer.

Hi FXKing2012. The will of God determines and shapes all cosmic events and this will of God has nothing to do with what men generally regard as religion or organised religion to be more accurate. I am permitted to have a knowing perception of the working of the will of God and I do gladly offer my perception when I sense that the seeker is genuine with his or her request. My perception is that your questions have not arisen out of the genuine desire to consider my perception of the will of God. Thus I will not answer your questions. Stay blessed.

FXKing2012:


Reincarnation is supposed to be a spiritual process, so how can u explain it without reference to a spiritual book. And the only true spiritual book is the Bible becos it is the Word of God.
The Bible says we only die once, then after that it's judgement. You may have striking resemblance with your forefathers as a result of genes, it has nothing to do with reincarnation.
Let this stupidity end here and now pls!

Hi FXKing2012. Thanks for your comment. It is your choice to hold the bible as the word of God and I respect that. But you have to understand (if you can) that your own religious views have no effect on cosmic events or realities. Stay blessed.

frosbel:

Reincarnation suggests that when we die, we return to the earth in one form or the other.

This position is not supported by the bible.

In bible terms, when we die , we either go to hades to await judgement if we were sinners on earth or we go to heaven to be with the saints and of course awaiting the final judgement.

Let me clarify with this verse of scripture.

"Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt" - Daniel 12:2
The scriptures are so so simple, we should take them at face value and not try to interject various meanings into them for the sake of theological argument.

Hi Frosbel. Thanks for your answer. However you have not explained how reincarnation is the lie of the devil. You just quoted biblical verses. In all my posts on reincarnation, I have never used biblical passages to support reincarnation. Thus quoting the bible passages as evidence against reincarnation does not mean anything to me. But if your understanding is that anything that is not in your bible is from the devil, then I respect that but completely disagree with such a notion. I know that the will of God is indelibly branded in all creations of God and only by experiencing all creations will one come to an understanding of reincarnation. Stay blessed.

frosbel:

Absolutely true.

Hi Frosbel. Please, kindly explain how it is absolutely true that reincarnation is a lie of the devil. Stay blessed.

FXKing2012:

Reincarnation is a lie of the devil and is not supported by the Bible. So ditch the notion!

Hi FXKing2012. Please, kindly explain how reincarnation is a a lie of the devil. Best Wishes.

God2man:

Once you have the knowledge of the consequence of what you about to do, you will defnitely obey. Besides, whatever discipline our parents planted in us, is one of the good reasons to listen to the voice of the conscience.
It seems you are generalizing everything, there are some extreme cases, where it is difficult for non-christians to yield to the voice of the conscience, you know, we are limited in some actions. Perfection belong to God. we will only need the help of God to do the right thing. This one does not come naturally. It takes the grace of God to obey the voice of the conscience.
Night Dream is also vital in this case, God is love. Let us look at this case, it is not real, but it is typical to teenagers, and it happens around our neighbourhood.
An unbelieving student got pregnant, she is in a state of confusion.  In the dream, she dreamt that the baby in his womb is a star. If she abort the baby, she will not be pregnant again. Her future is at stake.What is the best option in this case? To have the baby or to abort it. She needs the help of God to follow the dictates of the conscience. This one does not come naturally. If she disobey the dream and abort the baby, the outcome is there for her. God has spoken to her in the dream, it is left for her to obey. There are other cases, where it is hard for non-christians to the right thing. Whichever way you look at it, we will always need the help of God to do the right thing.God bless you. God2man.     

Hi God2man. If you agree that it takes the grace of God to obey the voice of conscience and you seem to also agree that  some non-Christians do obey the voice of their conscience, then it can be inferred that some non-Christians have the grace of God. Is it possible to have the grace of God without having the power of the Holy Spirit?

Yes, even someone who naturally and without much effort follow the dictates of his conscience need the grace of God to do so. The question is; Why is it that some non-Christians can listen to the voice of their conscience and have the grace of God when you have previously suggested that non-Christians do not have the Holy Spirit. Look at the example you gave with a pregnant teenager  who according to you is an unbeliever. Why did God talk to her in a dream  since she has no Holy Spirit? If she follows the admonition that God gave her in the dream and keeps the baby, how is it possible to she can obey Gods command when she has no Holy Spirit? Best Wishes.

God2man:

I think my own defnition of a christian is faulty,Jesoul has answered the question.   Nevertheless, we have conscience, and if we can hand over this conscience to the leading of the holyspirit, it will go a long way to assist in taking such unpopular decision.
Non-christians do not have the holyspirit in them, but they have conscience, they have a lot of work to do, either to obey God's inner police called conscience or disobey. The truth is that everyman in his right sense knows the right thing, but we lack the courage to do it. We can only strenghten it by the power of the holyspirit.  God bless you. God2man.

Hi God2man. Thank you for your answer. If non-Christians do not have the Holy Spirit as you suggested above, how  is it possible that these non-Christians listen and obey "God's inner police" (conscience)? There are some non-Christians that follow the dictates of their conscience without effort. It comes naturally to them. How is it possible that such non-Christians were able to obey "God's inner police" without the power of the Holy Spirit? Best wishes.

God2man:

Sometimes ago, a boy met billions of naira in his bank account, he decided to withdraw out of the money so as to be sure that the money was real, he did, and the balance was reflected on the ATM.
The guy went home and told his father, the father said he should  report to the bank. This brother went ahead and informed the bank that the money was mistakenly posted to his account. When the news got to his school, students of the polytechnic were eager to castigate him for making that unpopular decision.
However, the truth is that the name of this boy is JOB, he is a CHRISTIAN, he is a member of Mountain of Fire and Miracle, Ministries. The General Overseer of the church rewarded him with a car, and promised to get a job for him after graduation.
Now, this singular act is my own defnition of a christian. It means a great opportunity to steal is presented to you, but you decided not to steal. Why? It takes the grace of God and enough courage to do this.  God bless you. God2man.      

Good point. But if a moslem, a budhist or even an atheist does exactly the same thing, will you consider him a Christian. Best Wishes.

God does not favor some people over others. The laws of God ensures that each person reaps what he has sown either through their action or inaction. The action or inaction is not restricted to physical action but also includes out thoughts, words, imagination, motives and intuition. It is the combinations of all these activities that form the tapestry of our faith. Every second, new threads are added to our fate. Our present earth-life is a small but significant phase of our existence. Each human spirit has been on earth several times in different physical bodies (reincarnation) as well as the many intervening times in the beyond (non-physical planes), that is, between each earthly incarnation. Thus what we experience presently on earth are just snap shots of our previous existence as well as our present earthly existence. A new born baby is not a new spirit but a very old soul in a young body. It is just that prior to incarnation into the physical body developing in the womb of a woman, his inner eyes, that is the eyes and senses of the soul are blindfolded so that he cannot consciously survey his or her previous existence. But these previous existence slumbers within the soul and when it will be of spiritual benefit to the soul, the spiritual bandage is removed permitting such a soul to consciously survey his entire existence right to the present incarnation as well as future incarnation. Such a seeing one can just by looking at the picture of a person survey the journey of the soul across several reincarnations and habitations in the none material spheres. But for their own good, this bandage is closed for many human being and experiences from past life filters unconsciously from the spirit to the brain and manifest as personality traits, hunches, premonitions, some cases of child prodigy,  etc.

Thus because many cannot consciously survey when they sowed the seeds, when the fruits arrive they conclude that it is undeserved. If the fruits are good, the call it favour, blessing, grace or providence. If they are bad fruits, they say it is misfortune and the work of the devil or that God does not want to bless them. But the reality is that God returns to each of us the fruits of our seeds. It is us that determines through the nature of the seeds whether the fruits will bringing blessing or misfortune. Each spirit has identical talents at the moment of their creation. How these talents develop into abilities are entirely dependent on each spirit. Thus the varied maturity of different souls is entirely dependent on how each soul have used the power of God via there free will.

The laws of God take into account the entire existence of the spirit and not just the present existence in this present physical body. Thus what people consider providence, favor, misfortune or bad things only appear to be so. The reality is that these are the fruits which the spirit once sowed but the brain is not couscous of the experience of the spirit. When the faculty of the spirit is opened, such a soul will be able to see where, when, how he sowed the seeds that have just ripened for him or her. Then an understanding that God is just will sink in. Genuine spirituality is very practical and is not shrouded in mysteries . By our free will we can raise ourselves to the luminous kingdom of God or we can descend into darkness. It is our choice. God does not choose for anyone one, rather the laws of God ensures that we are irrevocably bound to the consequences of our choice. If we begin today to live our life according to the laws of God, then we are adding new beautiful threads to our tapestry of fate such that the bad threads from our previous activities will be mitigated and in some cases "annulled" by a harmless symbolic action. Thus what may have cut off our head will just remove our cap. Each genuine soul should not waste his or her time lamenting on what befalls him. Absorb the experience, absorb the lessons that the experience bring and move forward with calm confidence. The invigorating power of God is always there to a help any soul who genuinely desires to follow the laws of God. Best wishes.

inedi:

Well I don't need to make heaven am a citizen of heaven already, I just want to know the things I will be doing there that's all.

Hi inedi. How come you are a citizen of heaven and yet do not know how spirits communicate in heaven or what spirits do in heaven? Is it possible to be a certified medical doctor without knowing how to practice medicine? Best Wishes.

Deep Sight:

Many thanks for your inputs. My issue is simply that I am looking for the "holy grail" of morality - the simplest principle on which the precept of morality stands or falls. As yet, I have not seen that principle in any of the reasons proferred on this thread, or maybe I have missed it.

Hi Deepsight. Look within yourself and listen to the voice of your spirit. Then you will uncover what already resides in you. Stay blessed.

@DeepSight. I think my two previous posts on necrophilia have addressed why necrophilia is immoral. New issues and exceptions that you bring about can be dealt with but I do not think it is of any use. I do not have anything further to add. As always, stay blessed.

Hi DeepSight. I reply to your posts as follows:

@ M_Nwankwo - please see my post to 1Godfather above. My comment below is going to be in that context. This discussion is about the moral compass - what makes an act wrong - and therefore not necessarily about the act itself.

For this reason I wish that you understand that when 1Godfather advances a reason such as "ownership" of the body - I will therefore proceed to satisfy that condition by presenting a scenario that discharges that burden (such as a departing soul making a written wish for X, Y or Z acts to be done with his corpse) - and then I must ask if the act therefore becomes moral by reason of the discharge of that condition - or of all conditions indeed?

It is not the departing soul, the necrophiliac or indeed the society that determines what is morally wrong or right. My view is that it is the laws of God that determines if something is morally right or wrong. It is the laws of God that gave us our physical and soul bodies. Why did God give us physical and soul bodies? The purpose is quite simple: it is to enable us to experience in these various planes such that experiences drawn from these non-spiritual planes will be of benefit to the spirit and will finally be a part of the buoyancy that will catapult the spirit back to the kingdom of God. Whatever experiences that drags the spirit down, preventing it temporarily or permanently from going home (kingdom of heaven) is harmful and thus morally wrong. Necrophilia and all other perversions and propensities chains the spirit to the material world, preventing its ascent into the luminous kingdom of God and thus facilitating its spiritual death.

A necrophiliac cannot prevent the consequences of his actions for he is fee to sow the seeds but the consequences of the seeds or the fruits that will arise from the seeds sown is determined by the laws of God. Thus even if he decreed that his body should be used for necrophiliac acts in a written will, the act still remain immoral. Spiritually, he has no power to decree what is intrinsically immoral to become moral. The will by the necrophiliac cannot abrogate the laws of God and thus can not abrogate the immorality. Consider, does banana become straw belies  just because the farmer decreed it to turn to straw belies. The point I am trying to convey is that what is against or for the laws of God remains so irrespective of the wishes or will or opinions of creatures including man. If one get exposed to an infective viral load of HIV-1 either by consent or without consent, one will develop HIV/AIDS. The harm is not dependent on the consent or lack of consent but on the genetic program that is HIV-1. In a similar way harm caused to our physical and soul bodies  by necrophilia is not dependent on our consent or lack of it but on the "program" that is necrophilia. Even if a state or nation makes such acts legal, it does not abrogate the laws of God. 

The sum of your arguments here rest on one point mainly - the fact that the soul maintains a connection to the body through a chord for a time. Every single scenario you drew up derived from this singular fact.

In the event that the necrophilic acts are performed AFTER that chord has sinced been severed, every single scenario you described would then not arise. Would necrophilic acts performed in such a situation thus cease to be immoral?

You did however give one first definition of immoral acts in this regard. You said it would amount to using our bodies for purposes not willed by the creator of the body. Although I agree with the spirit behind this statement, it is altogether too broad and vague for the purpose of this discourse. For example, the purpose of our bodies is to house the soul/ spirit during its development in the worlds of matter. Would we say that anything outside such development is thus immoral?

I am not making these arguments frivolously. I am trying to ask or show that these may not necessarily form satisfactory answers as to what exactly makes the acts described in the OP immoral.

That elusive criterion is what this thread seeks, i think.

Formation of necrophiliac power centers  and the harmful spiritual pollution that it brings is not dependent on the snapping of the silver chord. Even a person who have not physically engaged in necrophilia but harbors necrophilic thoughts contributes to these power centers and is causing spiritual harm whether or not he is conscious or unconscious of it. As I explained in an earlier paragraph, the use of physical bodies for purposes that chains the bodies to material creation, preventing the ascent of the spirit is immoral for it directly leads to spiritual death except the ignorant soul was able to extricate himself on time. All passions like lust, gluttony, envy, hatred, smoking, etc are wrong because not only do they damage the physical and soul bodies but the chain the soul to matter, narrowing its perception. Since all matter is subject to disintegration, a soul chained to matter assumes the cycle of matter and will be disintegrated with matter with attendant spiritual death. There is nothing more immoral than activities of the body or soul that channels those individuals to spiritual death. I am ware that what I am trying to explain will be nonsense to those that do not believe in God or afterlife and its is for this reason that I stated in my previous post that my perspective is spiritual. All gifts of God including our physical and soul bodies are for our spiritual ascent. That is the purpose for which God gave us these bodies. Any activity that ignores or contradicts this purpose is immoral. As always, stay blessed.

My take on this issue will be from a spiritual perspective. Thus people who do not believe in God or in after-life will probably find my views meaningless. Our physical body is a gift that God gave us, an instrument that will enable the spirit to experience in the physical world. Thus, the argument that our bodies are our bodies and we can do with it whatever we so choose is wrong. Of course we can use it in whatever way we choose but we are irrevocably bound to the consequences of the abuse. A man who takes a loan from the bank can do whatever he wishes but if he misuses the loan and thus cannot pay back the loan and the interests, he cannot prevent the bank from taken ownership of his possessions. This is of course is a crude analogy but it faintly reflect the fact that God "loaned" us our physical bodies and it is our sacred duty to keep it pure. The use of our bodies or that of our fellow men in such a way that contradicts the purpose for which the designer (God) made it is immoral. Necrophilia is immoral because such aberration does not just harm the departing soul but also harms the perpetrator of the act as I will explain below.

To have a faint understanding of the harm that is being caused, we have to briefly look at the process of death. Telescoped into the physical body is a body which is finer than the physical body. This finer body which is made of medium gross matter is called the astral body. The soul (a spirit with other bodies apart from the physical and astral bodies) is connected or telescoped into the physical body via the astral body. In other words, the astral body is the link between the soul and the physical body. An elastic ethereal bridge called the silver cord directly connects the soul to the astral body. When a person is clinically dead, the soul is still connected with the physical body via the astral body. In a spiritual sense, a person is really dead when the silver chord have finally been severed.Until the silver chord snaps, it is possible to raise the dead by one who God have given the power to do so. Depending on the maturity of the soul, the silver chord can remain attached to the physical body via the astral intermediate from days to weeks. As long as the silver chord have not been finally severed, what happens to the physical body is transmitted via the astral/silver chord to the soul. Where the silver chord is not severed, the soul can still experience what happens to the physical body including its very disintegration.

Now necrophilia expressed through action or thoughts results in densification of the astral body and thickness of the silver chord that literally traps the soul to its physical body making severance of the soul difficult and extremely painful (especially when the departing soul is ignorant of the ways to free itself from the physical body). This sacrilege is even worse than a physical r.ape.Thus a necrophilia does not just commit an act of r.ape on the body of the dead but also forces the departing soul to consciously experience or witness such depravity. But it does not even stop here, the emanations from this depraved human being also poison the non-material environment surrounding the departing soul. When a departing soul non-physical environment is polluted with human propensities and depravity, spiritual help from servants of God is also hindered and the ability of the departing soul to even receive the help is also diminished. It is difficult to find an earthly analogy that can faintly reflect the torment a departing soul is forced to experience due to the wanton depravity of the necrophilia. The lustful and depraved desires of the necrophilia takes on form, attracts similar forms forms and through amalgamation, necrophilia power centers are formed. From these power centers, the emanations not only intensifies the depravity in the necrophilia but also infects others both in this physical world and beyond this physical world. If the departing soul is not inwardly pure, the effects of necrophilia can also convert him into an earthbound soul such that when the sliver chord finally snaps, the soul is now attracted to places and events where necrophilia is practiced either in thoughts or deeds. There are other possibilities that can create an earthbound soul, for instance the victim may refuse to forgive the perpetrator and follows him about both in this life and in the beyond.

Thus, necrophilia is immoral because it harms the physical and soul bodies of both the perpetrator as well as the victim. The consequence is that the spiritual development of the perpetrator as well as the victim is damaged and it may take years or even centuries for this damage to be rectified. In some cases, it may never be rectified but becomes a downward spiral to spiritual death. Best Wishes.