Deep Sight:

^^^ Thank you sir.

I am enriched.

I particularly thank you for not being impatient with me: or tired of my making the same inquiries everytime.

Thank you earnestly again.

You are welcome. Stay blessed.

Hi Deepsight. Thanks for response. I reply as follows:

Is the Holy Spirit Parsifal?

The Holy Spirit is the will of God. Parsifal is the Primordial Spiritual Vessel of the Holy Spirit. It can also be said that Parsifal is the cloak of the  Holy Spirit. Only God is LIGHT, all else outside of God came out of the radiations of God. Thus there is only God and his radiations. Now when God uttered the holy words "Let their be Light", it is not a question of the extension of radiation of the LIGHT into the void, rather it is that "small" Primordial LIGHT left the primordial LIGHT and got anchored at the boundary between the out most residues of divine radiation and the void. This small primordial Light will inevitably be drawn back to the Primordial Light following the law of homogeneous attraction. To prevent this, this small primordial Light was cloaked or veiled with the first primordial spiritual cloak. The "small" Primordial Light is the Holy Spirit, and his cloak is Parsifal. Both the Holy Spirit and Parsifal are inseparable in their working and connected by unbreakable bridge of radiations. Parsifal is also connected to the first conformation of the divine radiation of God who is called the Queen of heaven.  Creation arose as a result of the transformation of the radiations of the Holy Spirit as it glows through Parsifal. To avoid an error, Jesus is the conformation of the love that is God and that is in God. The primordial queen is conformation of the the radiations of the love that is God and that is in God. There are other conformations of the divine radaitions of God but detailing them will only probably  confusion. The words "small" and "part" should be understood the way I meant them and not the way you sense it. "Part" and "small" in the sense I use them have nothing to do with division. Until you are able to sense that God can move out of God and work in spheres outside of God, then you will still have problem with Trinity.

This created Parsifal.

Thus “Let there be Light” is the anchorage of Parsifal outside Divinity.”

Thus “Let there be Light” is the creation of the Super-Ego of the eventual alter-ego called Mr. Abd-Ru-Shin: the writer of the Grail Message.

Confirm please.

See my submission above. Parsifal is the anchorage of the Holy Spirit outside of Divinity. Divinity is divided into divine unsubstantiate, that is God and the divine radiations of God which is called divine substantiate. The divine radiations of God are above and outside of all creations. Parsifal is the first in creation. He is thus the beginning of creation when viewed from outside of creation and the last in creation when viewed from creation. Parsifal is thus the beginning and end of creation. The Holy Spirit whose vessel is Parsifal is a part of God Father that brought creations into existence.

Again, can intangible God – unchangeable God – ONE God: whose oneness is emphasized – be divided as such?

Can it not also be said that all creation - including humans – are “small parts” of God?

More crucially, are we certain that the ascription of such high office to Mr. Jesus from Nazareth as to virtually put him on equal footing with God – are we sure that this is not a historical hoax?

You are seeing a division when there is none and that is the problem. I hope that you know that as a human spirit, all acts of your will are parts of your spirit, they are inside you and yet work in worlds far beyond this earth. Inspite of billions of spiritual decisions you have made in the course of you existence, your spirit has not yet vanished in spite of the fact that every spiritual decision uses a substance of your spirit. If you are able to see your spirit, you will find that it has not lost even one particle of its spiritual substance in-spite of using the spiritual substance for every spiritual decision of free will. At least you can sense that you the spirit wills every second and yet you have not been divided as a result of your mutifarious acts of will, some of them embodying joy, another love, another heroism, another humility and yet another anger. I am sure that in all this you do not percieve that your spirit has been divided into section for love, joy, heroism, humility and anger. Think you self deeply into this and maybe, just maybe, a glimpse of how it is possible for God the Father to have his Love and Will personified in Jesus and the Holy Spirit. Absolutely no, creations and even above creations(divine sphere) are not parts of God. The divine sphere and creations are the radiations of God. A crude analogy may suffice. If you imagine our own sun or star to be God, then the rays of the sun is the divine sphere and all creations. It is an error to say that the rays of the sun are parts of the sun. In this crude analogy, only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are parts of the sun.

nly in the Grail Message is the Holy Spirit described as a “Son” of God.

My perception (apologies to say) is that this high office was created by the writer only on account of the need to place the writer at an exalted point in creation.

Otherwise it is obvious to me that the Holy spirit has never been a “personal” being, but an intangible expression of the living power of God. Like rays from a source of light, or attraction currents from a magnet.

This is your view and I do not agree with it. I have detailed why in many of our exchanges. Maybe when I sense it is necessary and I am permitted, I will lift many a veil on the work of the Holy Spirit and the power of the Holy Spirit.

Are there not also other attributes that God has?

If Jesus is the personification of the Love of God, are there beings that are the personification of God’s other attributes? Say his wrath, for example?
Could the one called Satan, personifying darkness, not be a personification of God’s wrath, for example?”

Or the one called Ishtar, not be a personification of God’s dual pull (which in the physical results in sexuality?)

Why are these high offices mysteriously reserved for Jesus and Abd Ru Shin?

Are there not others? Is God not infinite?

There are several abilities that reside in God but that is not the purpose of this discussion. I briefly alluded to that with respect to the queen of heaven. But all conformations and they are many are simply a personification of the divine radiations of God, not of God or the ability that is in God. Only Jesus and the Holy Spirit are conformations of the ability that is in God and is God. God has no wrath or darkness. Darkness is alien to God who is LIFE, LIGHT and TRUTH. Is it concievable to you that Primordial Light can at the same time be darkness?

nteresting. But being a Divine Being, Jesus ought to know fully well the purpose of his mission, no?

Why then – “If it is possible, let this cup pass. . . “ and “Eli Eli Eli, lama sabatchani?”

Why is Jesus referred to as God’s”Servant” in the Bible?

Jesus is not a divine being but a son of God and a son of God is part of God the father, far far higher than the highest divine being, the queen of heaven. Jesus absolutely knew the will of his Father and faithfully and victoriously fulfilled his mission. Jesus only prayed for the cup to pass away because he knew that his death and murder is a consequence of the free will of human beings under the prompting of Lucifer, the originator of the dark principle. In other words the dastardly murder of Jesus is not the will of God the father but a sacrilege committed against God. Jesus prayer is simply an opening of himself, a part of God the Father on earth with God the Father outside and above all creations. The radiation connection between God the Father and his son Jesus Christ became taught and through this connection holy power flowed from the Father to the son giving the son the strength to pass through the atrocious physical torture with equanimity. As Jesus hung on the cross, Lucifer thinking that he has destroyed the mission of the holy son of God appeared to Jesus. Jesus then cried "Oh God, my Father be thou with me". It was a cry of trust in his Almighty Father and not of despair as is often assumed. With this cry the omnipotence of God became manifest resulting in the shackling of Lucifer and transporting him back to under the world of matter where he belongs. Jesus is a servant of his Father for he is a "small part of his Father that was sent by the Father to save humanity from their sins and bring truth, life and resurrection from the world of matter into the kingdom of God. Stay blessed.

What most people regard as worship of God is not worship. Praises, sacrifice, singing, dancing and similar things which are often regarded as worship is not worship. Worship of God lies solely in living according to the will of God. To live according to the laws of God, one has to draw power and strength from God. To draw power from God requires the opening of ones spirit to the power of God. If one opens himself to this power, a process which is known as prayer, such a one will with time reach a state of awareness where the only desire that is alive  in him or her is the desire to live absolutely according to the will of God. Then every breath, every word, every thought, every motive, indeed every stirring of the spirit is an expression of obedience to the will of God. Thus the true worship of God lies solely in recognizing the will of God and living according to the will of God. Eternal happiness and joy lies solely in obedience to the laws of God. The purpose or the will of God for us is to find supreme happiness and in the laws of God lies this supreme happiness. Thus he who practices true worship loves God and all creations of God. Such a one also radiate an inner peace which is unaffected by the vagaries of life. Thus genuine worship does not lie in the churches, temples, shrines, mountains but solely in the laws of God. A first step to genuine prayer that will lead one to pure worship of God lies in prayers without words and thoughts. Such prayer can be achieved in silence, then the intuition of the spirit will naturally gain connection with the power of God. Best Wishes

karo93:

deductions from m_nwankwo 's last post [discuss]

If the portion of God[triad] that was selectively poured out has always been God the son then that part cannot have been cohesive but adhesive to the other parts meaning that that part has always had its own identity which is the only reason why ONLY that minute part was poured into the vessel.

If they were originally three indistinct then some parts of God the father,the son and some parts of the holyspirit would have been poured into the vessel as well.

According to your post jesus is an irrelevant portion of an infinite being and therefore his absence from that being make no difference to the size of the being thus Jesus has the nature of God but is not God and only the father is God.only the father is infinite and infinity is the greatest property of God

All your deductions were not drawn from my posts. Read my posts again and if there are things you do not understand, kindly ask and I will find time to explain more clearly what I meant. Stay blessed.

Hi DeepSight. Thanks for your well reasoned response. I reply as follows:

Can the Holy Spirit be described as a “small essence” of God the Father? My impression is that the Holy Spirit is a reference to the all pervading power, effect, radiation and emanation of God. This is not a “small essence” but the outward expression of God’s will in its entirety

The Holy Spirit is the will of God the Father that became personal in the work of bringing creations into existence. But the will of God that became personal in the work of creation is not the totality of the will of God the Father. I choose the words "small essence" to present a conception that it closer to the Truth when compared with God the Father. If you consider it deeply, you will sense that the incomprehensible and highly intense power of God the father cannot allow creation to come into existence since it will perish in its enormous power. It thus requires a small essence of God the Father whose radiations is naturally less intense than the whole essence that is the Father. The Holy Spirit is personified in the holy words "Let there be Light".

 If this can be true of the Holy Spirit (as defined above) can this be true of Jesus?

3.   Because if Jesus always existed separate from the Father and not as THE FATHER, then Wwe are irrevocably saddled with tri-theism – namely the fact that God was never ONE: but always separate.

4.   Let us carefully note that your position is different from that advanced by Inesqor to wit; Jesus did not exist separately from the Father before incarnation on Earth – according to Inesqor – he was THE FATHER.

No, Jesus is not God the Father but a small part of God the Father. That is why he is called the son of God. It is not without reason that God the Father is not sensed to be a son of Jesus Christ, rather Jesus Christ as well as the Holy Spirit are sons of God the Father. Jesus is the love of God the Father and this Love of God the Father is an integral living attribute of God the Father. Prior to the work of redemption, the love of God the Father that is Jesus has no conformation. But because of the failure of humankind, God the Father gave form to his living eternal LOVE (Jesus) and incarnated it in flesh and blood as Jesus of Nazareth. No, triteism refers to three gods but trinity refer to one God that works in three fold. And the picture I am unfolding is about trinity of one God.

Again, this presupposes that Jesus ALWAYS EXISTED as a separate being from the Father. That leads to TWO GODS that always existed – and certainly does not connote monotheism – which Christianity professes to be.

Jesus has always existed as love of God the Father and the Holy Spirit has always existed as the will of God the Father. How can it lead to two Gods when the Love (Jesus) is the love of God the Father and the Will (Holy Spirit) is the will of God the Father. Both Jesus and the Holy Spirit are simply a conformation of unsubstantiate, uncreated divine attributes of Love and Will which are in God the Father.

 Why then is he said to be “begotten” of the Father? – Jn 3: 16

7.   Why then is he described as the “Servant” of God? – Acts 3: 26

8.   Why then does he worship God?

Your description entails Jesus being “very God of very God – I AM THAT I AM” – and the envisaged entity CANNOT be said to worship ANY being.

See my explanation above. In addition, Jesus prays to his Father because the Father is greater than the son. The reason is simple, a small essence of God the Father that is Jesus is naturally drawn to the stronger homogeneous attraction of God the Father. This homogeneous attraction between the son of God and his Father is what can be said to be worship. That is different with the worship of creatures to God, in this case, it is not an attraction to God since their is no homogeneity, rather it is an opening of one to the power of God, and remember the power of God comes from God but is not God.

Clarify for me please; is this a hint that the Father himself is NOT “personal?”

God the Father is unapproachable in his omnipotence and it is only his sons Jesus and the Holy Spirit that can be in his presence. All else will perish from the enormous radiations emanating from God the Father. There are no words to describe God the Father. What is closer to the Truth is to say that God the Father is outside and above the concepts of personal and impersonal. So was his Love and Will until they became personal in the works of Love/redemption and bringing creation into existence. Stay blessed.

Any separation between God the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit will lead to errors in conception. My perception is that it is a small essence of God the father that is Jesus Christ and another small essence of God the Father that is the Holy Spirit. In other words it is God the Father that works in three fold as the Father, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Being "parts" of the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are eternal, uncreated and have no beginning. Thus it is correct to call them God the son and God the Holy Spirit respectively. Jesus and the Holy Spirit have always existed as they are parts of God the Father, but there unveiling or revelation to the creations of God has a beginning. That happens only when the unsubstantiate divine essence that is Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit is clothed or veiled with cloaks of different worlds, giving them a form that is perceptible to inhabitants of worlds from which their cloaks was made. Thus when God the son envelops himself with divine substance, he can become visible to divine beings in the divine world, when he got clothed with spiritual substance, he became visible to inhabitants of heaven, the kingdom of God,  and finally when he become veiled with a male physical body, he became visible to men on earth as Jesus of Nazareth. It is erroneous in my view to consider the birth of Jesus into various planes of creation as the beginning of Jesus. Before creation Jesus is, Before being born into the divine  worlds, then the spiritual worlds, then the material worlds, Jesus is.  After accomplishing the mission of redemption, Jesus again laid aside all the cloaks, first the physical body and lastly the divine body. And having laid aside all the cloaks, Jesus was drawn back and become one with God the Father. Yet in-spite of being one with the Father, Jesus remained personal in the work of Love and redemption. Thus Jesus is one with God the Father and yet personal in his work of love and redemption. Best Wishes.

@Deepsight
Thanks for the questions which genuinely disturb your spirit and keep it restless. I am not sure that my answers to your questions will satisfy your day counscious understanding but I am sure that your spirit will grasp what I will say. I have no doubt that someday, far, far above the highest mountains that you have so far experienced, you will find experiences that will give you conviction on the oneness, inseparability and trinity of the God. If God permits me the grace, I will be there to share your joy at the final recognition which so far have eluded you and rightly so. With this, I address the posers you raised, albeit briefly.

Lonely, the huddled monk gathered his robes snugly around his creaking frame, the chill of the night seeping painfully into his ageing bones.

Bones thirsty for truth, bones weary of seeking.

The darkness about the mountain pass was compelling: through dimmed old eyes the seeker felt he could just reach out and squeeze it.

What is darkness, he thought.

He cast a glance down below, and shimmering in the distance he could still see the many majestic worlds and universes he had journeyed through.

Lifetime after lifetime, and he had slowly ascended to the mountain pass.

Now a thick darkness enveloped him, and he could go no further.

What brilliance, what light, what consciousness he wondered. . .

. . may stifle my being. . . shrivel my countenance. . . cast down my raised eyesight. . .

I PRAY FOR THE LIGHT, MY LORD.

Soothed, as his nerves always were, by that simple prayer, he floated into sleep again.

And the questions came back to haunt him –

Yes, the monk should continue to pray until he gains purifying clarity and the monk will certainly have it but not on the mountain he is presently standing. The omnscience of God is with the monk as he seeks to grasp the the spiritual answer to the divine mystery of God head.

Is the oneness of the Great One Spirit divisible

2.   Is it possible to speak of “parts” of the Great One Spirit being “severed . . . . ?”

3.   Is it possible to speak of “parts” of the Great One Spirit at all?

4.   Is the Great One Spirit not One only, only one, and indivisible?

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God is one and he is known as God the Father. God is not divisible but God can will that small unsubstantiate divine essence of his can emanate from from HIM and take on a conformation, that is take up a form. It is not the unsubstantiate essence that has the form  because this unsubstantiate essence has no form but it is the cloaks through which it radiates that gives it form. Thus imagine God the Father to be a human body, then imagine that his right and left arms to be Jesus Christ and Holy Spirit. If God essense is inexhaustible and infinite as you correctly sensed, then you see that God can will that his left and right arm to leave HIM and work outside of Himself and yet if you see this "body" of God after the left and right arm has left, the left and right arm are not missing but still intact. Thus a separation has not occured as you seem to imagine. This is a crude picture as their is no concept that can give a true reflection of the process but this crude analogy is for you to see that there is no separation or division. It is simply God the Father who works as Father, Jesus Christ and the Holyspirt. If you again imagine atlantic ocean to be infinite and inexhaustible, then, one cup from this ocean can be liked to Jesus Christ and another cup of this ocean can be liked to the HolySpirit. You can only see a separation between the two cups of water and the ocean because of the cup, the vessel that contains a small part of the ocean. If you pour the cups of water back to the ocean, then they are one again with the ocean and no separation. Thus, because Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are small "parts" of God the Father, God the Father is greater in human conception than Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit. Thus even though the cup of water from the ocean has the same essense as the ocean, it will be incorrect to say that it is the whole ocean. The correct description will be to say that it is a small volume of water from Atlantic ocean.

So why did the Great Book speak about a “severance” of a part of the Great One Spirit? And that severance becoming the Great One from Nazareth

6.   So why did the Great Book also speak about a “severance” of another part of the Great One Spirit? And that severance becoming the Lord of Creation. . .the one called Parsifal. . .

7.   Was it not Parsifal who walked the Earth and wrote the Great Book?

8.   Does this not mean that the writer himself. .

. . . is a severed part of the Great One Spirit. . .

. . . that he is that spirit. . .

. . .that he is God.

See my expalnation above on how severance should be understood by creatures of God. When we talk about vessels or cloaks, do not liken them to the cloaks of the human spirit that have no animation without the spirit. If we talk about divine as well as primordial spiritual cloaks of the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ, we are talking of divine and primordial spiritual beings. But let me limit myself to parsifal. Parsifal is the first in creation and it is the Primordial spiritual cloak of the Holy Spirit. Thus parsifal is not God but the cloak through and in which the Holy Spirit radiates into creation. The Holy Spirit did not personally cross into creation, rather the Holy Spirit is outside of creation and have contact with creation through his anchorage, Parsifal. It is sacrilegious to regard Parsifal as God. The mystery of all these lies in the laws of radiations and hopefully some them I will offer my perception on the detailed process of the decent of a son of God from outside of creation and into creation and the various step down transformers that are required for the incarnation of a son of God on earth. Then we may start to have a faint glimpse of the omniscience and omnipotence of God.

Apologies in advance.

There is no need to apologise for it is the spiritual duty of human beings to only accept that which is in harmony with the vibrations of their spirit. Thus I do admire your persistence in not accepting what at the moment you cannot percieve as the Truth. As always, stay blessed.

ijele:

This is the best thread as far as spirituality is concerned. Truly by their works(fruits) u'll know de truth.@ M.nwankwo and other adherents of Grail message in this thread, u guys has reawaken de urge 4 me to seek de truth. Pls find time to visit this thread,there are earnestly seekers out there that needs their their strengths to be re-juvenate. Remain blessed

Hi Ijere. Thank you for your kind words. He who seeks God and his will will certainly find. The omniscience of God ensures that whenever  there is a genuine yearning for God, then helping spiritual forces are sent to such a seeker and this help from God does not always require the participation of human beings in flesh and blood. Whenever our strength threatens to fail us, whenever our weaknesses rears its ugly head, whenever we seem hopeless, and whenever the temptations of the world seem to overwhelm us, we should tarry a while and remember that the omniscience of God is always with us. All that we need to do is to deeply long for God with genuine faith and calm conviction, then we will definitely recieve the power and strength to live only according to the laws of God. I wish you strength and my prayerful thoughts accompany you. Stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

This is so ever deeply satisfying.

I thank you for this. . .

Might I ask if it is fair to to say that the Bible and perhaps other writings such as the Quoran contain limited or outrightly incorrect premises regarding this matter: often making it appear as though God Almighty deliberately predestines certain things for men?

Hi Deepsight. Thanks for your kind words. The omniscience of God  brings to fruition the fruits of the seeds that individuals, communities, nations etc have sown in the course of their existence. The fruits will confirm the type or nature of seed that was/is sown. Whether the seeds are sown in the open or secret is inconsequencial for the fruits will openly bear the indelible mark of the seed that gave biith to it. In this way, it will become clear to all whose activities have been according to the will of God and those whose activities are in opposition to the will of God. As a personal rule, I do not discuss the weaknesses or strengths of any of the sacred books of world religions. My view is that God equipped all human beings to recognise the Truth. If we genuinely seek God, we shall find HIM. He who genuinely loves his neighbour, all creations and God have found his way  to the kingdom of God. In his journey on this way, he or she will get all the truths that he need for his salvation. And some day, when the gates of heaven is opened to his pure soul, he or she can then have a birds eye view of the spiritual origin of what happens in material worlds including our earth, and can survey the origin and the the evolution of many threads of fate. Then he will deeply appreciate the all wisdom of God, who granted human spirits the spiritual ability of free will. Stay blessed.

justcool:


m_nwankwo has spoken very wisely on this issue. Those who really want to know the Truth about the matter at hand should read and re-read m_nwankwo's post above. What he wrote is in complete harmony with the Truth; I couldn't have said it better.

@ m_nwankwo
Thank you very much for your great contribution here.

Hi Justcool. Thanks for your kind words. Long time. How are you and the family? Stay blessed!

Deep Sight:

^^^

I am genuienley trying to understand predestination and freewill.

Do you believe in predestination?

Hi Deepsight. How are you? Hope you are kool. Pre-destination and free will are compatible. Indeed what people regard as pre-destination is the reciprocal actions arising from their free choices in the past or even in the present. The seeming contradiction arises because the recipient of the blessing or misfortune is not conscious of the chain of choices as well as the travel of these choices through both the visible and invisible worlds of God. Hence since he is unaware of the choices that resulted in the blessings or misfortune, he regards it as arbitrarily and thus predetermined by a source independent of himself. But what I said above is just a scratch at the surface. A deeper insight is only possible if we know the origin of free will. Free will resides in the spirit, it is an inherent characteristic of the spirit and it is an ability given by God to the human spirit for his development and maturity. Free will simply means the choice to choose but once a choice is made, the man is irrevocably bound to the consequences of his decision for only through tasting the consequences of his decision will he recognize whether they are good or evil and adjust himself accordingly. Thus God gave man the absolute freedom to use his free will to raise himself to the kingdom of God or dig his grave into the kingdom of darkness. The free will is so free that man can and indeed uses it to oppose God and his will. Now the actions and events which are physically visible are only the after effects of a spiritual decision and it is the spiritual decisions which can draw on the neutral power of God vibrating in creation to bring about forms, first intuitive forms, motive forms, imagination, thoughts, words and then the physical action. These various forms are linked to there producer and then to gigantic masses of similar forms in various planes of creations. In other words the forms I mentioned above are connected to power centers from which the draw homogeneous strength. Thus envy, lust, gossip, slander and similar things have power centers  and so do love, compassion, purity, heroism. It is these forms that is the tapestry of mans fate and determines what returns to him as blessing or curse according to the laws of God. Every second, man exercise his free will and thus new threads are constantly added to his tapestry of fate and thus altering the outcome. If one looks deeply to what is said above then it will be clear that if a man indulges in one passion or the other, let us say envy, he is surrounded by envy and connected to massive power centers of envy such that it is very easy for one who can survey these connections to prophesy that acts of envy will spring forth from this man 100 years from now, or even in a future incarnation on earth. But as I said new threads are constantly added that change the colour of the outcome, mitigate or even in some cases abrogate it.  Let us take a man who 2000 years ago mocked and laughed at the son of God as he was being crucified. The threads of fate are knotted that some where in subsahara Africa, this man reincarnates completely oblivious of what happened 2000 years. A consequence of this personal mockery or inward satisfaction at the physical suffering of son of God is that at 30 years of age, the man will suddenly develop the wound marks of stigmata and experience the events of 2000 YEARS. If such a man have not inwardly changed since then but relishes in the suffering of others, then certainly at 30 YEARS, he will develop genuine stigmata that defies all medical treatment. But it may well happen that in the course of 2000 YEARS prior to his reincarnation as a west African, this man has inwardly changed and may have even recognized his personal evil and instead of hate, he has love. Then the rays of love will be added to his tapestry of fate and the power of love can mitigate or abrogate the appearance of stigmata. The spiritual currents retuning stigmata to him will surely come but they meet a man who is no more evil but pure and thus cannot penetrate, this stigmata currents will only be repelled back to the homogeneous centre without the man being harmed. Instead, an apparently symbolic action will happen which he is not conscious of in the earthly sense. Thus at his 30TH birthday, spiritual guidance of which he is unaware in the physical sense will guide him to visit the trauma section in a hospital to donate a pant of blood or give help to a neighbor etc. These apparently meaningless symbolic activity severs completely the knot of the stigmata currents and such a man is redeemed. Thus what would have severed the head of one may just remove his cap, or a tragic accident that may have killed may simply manifest as a burst tyre or simply a help to a fellow driver who is stranded on the road. Such is the incomprehensible love of God which allows humans to raise themselves back to the kingdom of God even when they are buried in the deepest darkness. This earth life is just almost an infinitesimal but important spot in our existence and only very little snapshots of the consequences of our free will are evident, hence the dilemma of people on how there can be free will when somethings appear to be predestined. The love and justice of God can only be understood as far as we realize that we have been on earth several times and also lived several times in the so called beyond and that what happens to us takes into account our entire existence and not just what we are physically conscious in this present incarnation. Reincarnation is essential to understanding the working of God in his Justice and Love. Indeed there is predestination but not by God or other creatures but by man himself using the power of God through the exercise of his free willl. Because we use the power of God, we get blessing and resurrection to the kingdom of God if we apply it to pure channels but if we abuse this power of God and draw it into impure purposes, we will finally lose the ability to draw on the power of God and thus cease to exist as a conscious being. Man has the key to this power of God but this power of God is not in man himself as many mystics or occultists seem to think because they do see only the effects but not the source of the effects. This key to open or unlock  the power of God is the free will. In addition, this power of God is neutral but the application of it to good or evil "creations" is dependent on the free will. If this power of God is applied purely, then it is reinvigorated and by a process of radiation cycling moves hiigher and higher even right to the kingdom of God, thus forming an invisible flight of steps drawing the human wanderer back to the kingdom of God. If however this power of God is applied for impure purposes, the union destroys itself releasing the entrapped neutral power and in the destruction, the originator man is also destroyed in the process. This explain while in the end the good will always triumph over evil and the supreme will of God reigns. The apparent battle between good and evil is only in the interval between the beginning and the end. The same explanation that applies to individuals can also be used to throw light into group karma, national karma, prophecies and indeed cosmic events. Stay blessed.

My view is that it is the laws of God that determines whether or not sexual relationship is a sin or indeed a blessing. Humankind have tried to solve this problem by invoking the institution of marriage. But who is married and who is unmarried? It is God that decides who is married or not married, or to put it more correctly, it is the laws of God that decides who is married or not. How often do we class some people as unmarried and yet they are married in the site of God because they fufilled the fundamental conditions for genuine marriage; that is, genuine love. And yet we also class some people as married because they performed one religious or cultural ceremony and yet there is no love between them. Where there is no genuine and selfless love, then true marriage does not exist even if the couples were married by the pope. Thus for spiritually free human beings, sexual intercourse  is simply an after effect of genuine love and spiritual harmony which  occationally sets the physical body aglow and subsequent physical consumation. For normal human beings that are living in the sense of the laws of God, their is no need or requirement for a life of absitinence or celibacy. Abstinence will only become necessary in human beings who in former incarnations or in this incarnation became a slave to the sexual instinct, and thus they are abnormal. The threads of fate are now notted such that abstinence is required to restore them to normality. There is no basis for absistence for a normal human being who uses the sexual instinct as God ordained. But just like a radical surgery is required to remove a cancerous tumor in cancer patients but not in healthy individuals, so abstinence may be necessary to restore normality to human beings who are slave to the sexual instinct.  Most people would if they are honest to themselves see whether they are a slave to the sexual instinct or a master to the sexual instinct. You can be recognised on earth as married and yet all sexual intercorse with your wife is immoral because it emanates from lust and not love. It is not uncommon to see some  married couples who are always at each others throat and yet they engage in intimacy. Spiritually speaking there is no difference between a man who visits a prostitute and a man who does not love his wife as God ordained and yet have sex with her. Thus we have to be careful of judging by appearances only. In this connection, two couples may not be married according to earthly or religious laws and yet there marriage is concecrated by God and hence sexual relationship between them is not only moral but a blessing. Forceful abstinence is dangerous for it accumulates and dispates an invincible energy required for the health of the physical body as well as disturbs the chain of radiations connecting the physical body to the bodies of the soul.

babaearly:

@m_nwankwo
I sense you are a mystic. who is Jesus Christ to you?

Hi Babaearly. Thank you for your question. I am not a mystic and I oppose all mysticism or its cousin occultism. Jesus Christ is the son of God, or God the son. He is the conformation of the unsusbstantiate (uncreated) love of God the Father. Jesus Christ is a "part" of God the Father. When humanity was in danger of spiritual death as a result of our sins, and the power of any thing that was created (prophets and called ones) was insufficient to crush the darkness, God the Father personally intervened by sending a part of Himself into creation and incarnated it in flesh and blood as Jesus Christ. The mission of Jesus was to bring the word of God to humanity and those who listen and live according to the teachings of Jesus will be redeemed from their sins and be granted the eternal grace of being permitted to return back to the kingdom of God. Thus Jesus, the son of God is the Redeemer. Darkness opposed this mission of God and wiped hatred against Jesus and his words. Darkness or Evil can not lay hold on Jesus Himself as his unsubstantiate divine purity repelled all evil. Darkness made use of willing tools, among them are the religious leaders at that time and his own disciple Judas. They plotted and finally murdered the physical body of the son of God. Jesus did not shy away from physical death but faced it out of love for God the Father and for humanity. With his blood, Jesus put a seal to his conviction that he is the son of God and that his living words is Life and will bring redemption to those who adhere to it. He thus vanquished the darkness and brought redemption to humanity. Best Wishes.

MyJoe:

Thank you!

You are welcome and have a lovely weekend! Stay blessed.

InesQor:

@m_nwankwo: Thanks for your response, sir. I wish you the best of the weekend!

I wish you a lovely weekend too. Have fun and stay blessed!

Hi again InesQor

Brilliant as usual, my Sir. I however have a problem with science confidently and absolutely defining all aspects of reality without leaving a case for other possibilities, because what is scientific fact right now may be discarded in two hours' time.

I agree with you and I do not think that science is defining all aspects of reality. Far from that, science is trying to understand physical reality. It is certain about some few things but uncertain about so many things. There are scientific facts that have stood the taste of time and it is in those cases that we are certain. For instance I do not think that there is a scientific dispute on the observation that humans give birth to humans, lions to lions etc. We are certain that the unit of herditary is in the genetic material etc. In this instance what science is not certain is how precisely genes are regulated. In this case existing hypothesis may prove to be wrong as more evidence are found. But that in itself is progress. Science is a working progress.

For instance, as far as public knowledge goes, science has not yet found other sentient beings in outer space. However, does this really mean we are alone in the universe? What of the possibility that our methods of detection are inferior to their state of existence (c.f. a 2-dimensional object attempting to apprehend a 3-d being)?

I am not a physicist but many of my collegues who are physiststs and cosmologists are of the view that we are not alone in the universe. They are looking for evidence an I am sure they will find what many spiritual people already knew. Looking at the complexity of our universe and other universes, it is unlikely that sentinent life came into being only on earth.

Science researches questions posed by scientific theories and hypotheses, and any abolute declaration in science means that there are no future discoveries that may be found in opposition to the established theories. I am not too sure about that. Science has failed much too often, it's only as reliable as the amount of information currently available.

The certaintity that genes are the units of heredity or that any two bodies with mass has a force of gravity have not stopped discoveries in molecular biology or cosmology. There is no limit to discoveries but that will not change some fundamental things. For instance, no discovery will produce children from stones.

WHAT IF?

If evidence supports the IF,  sincere human beings or scientists will change his views to accomodate the evidence. What is important is the Truth and if the Truth is that all existing understanding of physical realities are wrong, then a sincere scientist or person follows this new found truth. The same holds true for spiritual realities as well. But holding a view based on "IF"  especially where all known evidence points to the contrarly of the "IF" is in my view an act of denial. Stay blessed.

JeSoul:

And a Scientist, a very good one at that, has spoken

Hahaha my sister. How are you? Stay blessed.

InesQor:

With the knowledge that hermaphrodites are a natural instance, is it biologically impossible that maybe there was a pre-fertilized egg in Mary's womb? Or is it biologically impossible that there was another form of anomaly that led to a fertilization in the womb, whether spermatozoa were directly involved or not?

Hi InesQor.  It is impossible that a biological anomaly will create or rather form a zygote without fertilization. Fertilization can happen invivo  or in testubes. Fertilization can result from a fusion of egg and sperm or by fertilization of an ex-nucleated egg with a somatic "gamete" (cloning). I do not believe that Jesus was not procreated physically. Besides, I do not see any reason why Jesus has to be born without procreation, afterall, it is God that decreed procreation as a method for propagating the human species. Best wishes.

MyJoe:


Good day, M_Nwankwo, and thanks for your good perspectives.

Good day to you too. Thanks for your kind words. Stay blessed.

Pastor AIO:

Greetings Mark,
I hear you, but you point depends on what you consider to be the state of the unborn, or newly born child.

In Islam it is believed that the child is born in the state of Fitra and only falls from this state due to influences from society, parents, environment etc.

The Taoists too believe that the baby before his head is fill with all sorts of concepts is in tune with Tao. It is environment that messes him up.

So what is it that separates us from God? Are we born with that separation or does it happen to us over the course of our lives.

Is the process of living really like a course of study that then makes us qualified to have communion with God? That would make older people with all their ideas and issues in a closer relationship to God than children. That would make rubbish of Jesus' words that unless one becomes like a little child one cannot see the kingdom of God.

Hi Pastor. Great to read from you. My perception of a new born child is that he or she is an "old" soul in a young body. The child was in existence before he was concieved and will be in existence after he dies. What separates us from God is when we engage in things in contradiction to the purpose for which God created us. The taoist and the islam view is only correct if it refers to the first incarnation of a soul, in that case the child at its first incarnation is pure and in tune with God. But the purpose for which God created man in my view is to be counscious of both himself and God. Such awarenes requires development and that is why God sent us into the worlds to unfold this counsciouness. A seed cannot become a tree without being planted in a soil, and recognition of God cannot come without experiencing. It is such experiencing through the several visible and invisible worlds of God that permits awareness of himself, the creations of God and finally the recognition of God. No, it should not be taken like a course of earthly study. What it means is that the soul already carry the talents, but talents without development remain only a potential and one does not have counscious existence in heaven by having potentials. A counscious existence in heaven comes with transforming the talents into abilities and such transformation is only possible through experiencing. Thus, the omniscience of God provides every soul with opportunities for experiencing. Thus, when we are all created, we are in tune with God but uncousciously. If we unfold our inherent talents, then we have a counscious attunement or connection to God, and that qualifies us to counsciously participate in the activities of heaven. IF however we remain uncounscious or develop our counsciousness in opposition to the purpose of God, then we loose that counsciouness and revert to the uncounsciouness.
No, it does not rubbish the word of the LORD because the words of Jesus in my perception refers to childlikeness and not to a child. Most normal children will have the quality of childlikeness but there are many children who do not possess it. Similarly a man of 100 years can be childlike while a child of 10 is not. Childlikeness simply refers to the ability of the spirit to be guided using the faculties of the spirit and not from the worlds or cloaks through which the spirt is experiencing. Only through the spirit can a connection to God be made and thus childlikeness is an effect indicating that such a spirit is in tune with God. To put it simply, childlikeness is the effect of submitting to the will of God. It is one of the qualities that are indispensible if one hopes to be admitted into the kingdom of God. The same is true of love, wisdom, purity, humility, compassion ,etc. Normal children are like that and that is why every spiritually normal child is strikingly truthful, even in what appears to be detrimental to him or her. As always stay blessed.

My view is that the answer to the OP statement lies in what creatures do in heaven and the requirements necessary to qualify for admission to heaven as well as conscious participation in the activities. If one wants to be a neurosurgeon, then one has to go to medical school to acquire basic medical skills and then undergo specialist training in neurosurgery. If he or she has succesfully acquired the requisite skills, then he or she is a neurosurgeon and can work as a neurosurgeon. The same is true for all professions or work. Now, can a child that is just born and dies shortly after birth be a neurosurgen? Can a person who at age  5 had an accident and slipped into coma become a neurosurgen? Can a medical student who got rusticated from the medical school due to poor results be a neurosurgen? Can a pilot who have not qualified as a neurosurgen become one? Even if by some irrational decision, these non nerosurgeons engage in brain surgery, then the outcome will be a disaster. What I am simply saying is that if righteousness, love, humility, purity etc are activities that creatures do in heaven, then they must acquire these abilities prior to admittance to heaven. Thus human beings cannot just go to heaven simply because, it apparently seems that they have no opportunity to learn and practice the will of God. Just like you cannot pass or fail a student because he did not sit for an exam. To pass or fail, the student must have the opportunity to sit for the exam and prove his or her competence or incompetence. Thus, if a baby dies in utero, where does he get the chance to learn and practice the  the will of God including the recongnition of Jesus? If a man is born with madness where does he get the chance to learn and practice the will of God? If a child slipped into coma, where is the chance for such a child to learn and practice the will of God etc.

InesQor:

To answer scientifically, I have no such evidence - and neither do you, or anyone else - of the exact and accurate initial life-forms. It's all speculation, and no serious peer-reviewed journal can claim to know if the primeval creatures began to exist in adult form or not.

To answer Biblically, the answer is YES. ALL of God's creation was made in adult form, because they were fully mature and able to reproduce. Go figure, that beats arrant speculation anyday!
Gen 1:21  God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, which the waters brought forth abundantly, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good (suitable, admirable) and He approved it.
Gen 1:22  And God blessed them, saying, Be fruitful, multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let the fowl multiply in the earth.
Bros! In your example of the adult man, the post-instantiation age is detected because a frame of reference is specified i.e. when he was born. If scientists want to measure the age of earth in post-instantiation, they have to establish a reference point in time. The Bible tells us that the reference point in time was 6000 years ago, but scientists have no such reference point because they are not bothered.

In your example, if you were not told that the man was pre-born by 10 years, but as a scientist you measure the age of his cells, you will find 100 years and you'll be happy, isn't that so?   And that is the same problem with science's measurements of the earth's age. Hahaha.  

Hi again. Thanks for your answer and stay blessed.

InesQor:

@M_nwankwo: I do not know for sure how God did what He did, and thats why I said planetary orbits. But I have a plausible theory:

I think God simply slowed down the rotation speed of planet earth! See what the Bible says:

Jos 10:13  And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.

The hasteth not to go down in verse 13 shows that the sun did not "hurry" to "move across the sky". This means that the earth probably rotated slower than usual. Maybe it was meant to have been 14 hours of sunlight (out of 24 hours) that day but since the earth rotated at, say, half the speed required, we would have had 48 hours that day, giving 28 hours of sunlight!

I am certain that you think this means that some time would have been lost to planet earth, but God reversed it in the days of Hezekiah

Besides all the above, Chinese history speaks of Yao, their king, declaring that in his reign the sun stood so long above the horizon that it was feared the world would have been set on fire; and fixes the reign of Yao at a given date, which corresponds with the age of Joshua the son of Nun. and there are many other cultures who have accurately similar information, either a total night instead of day (for those on the other longitudes away from the sun) or those who saw a full day or so (those on longitudes facing the sun).

Again, if God slowed the speed of the rotation of the earth, then the evidence for such a dramatic slow down in earth rotation at the time of Joshua should be found. Making the sun stand still or slowing the rotation of the earth are scientific claims and should be backed by scientific evidence. I do not think that God in his omnipotence will bring miracles and prevent us from investigating and finding hardcore scientific evidence for such a miracles. Stay blessed.

InesQor:

@toneyb: How do you measure pre-instantiated time?

I believe that the same way God created Adam as an adult, he could have made the earth come to being as a fully mature planet, "already billions of years old and able to sustain itself". So, your scientific methods will detect it as billions or years old, and the historical timeline will still show it as 6000 years since the instantiation.

I personally don't see any problems here because both the YEC and the Old-Earth theory adherents are correct.

Hi again InesQor. Apart from the Adam story which you cited above, are you aware of any planetry object, biological species etc that emerged as adult. If the earth came into being as a fully matured planet that is already billion of years old but the time from when it was born was 6000 years, why is it impossible for science to detect this instantiation point. Assuming that a human being can be born as an adult. Let us say he was born in 2000 but biological analysis shows that his cells is already 100 years, then science can detect both the pre-instantiation age of 110 years as well as post instantiation age of 10 years. In the case of your theory regarding the age of the earth, why is it possible for science to detect the pre-istantiation age of the earth but unable to detect  the post-instantiation age, and yet the postinstantiation age is the easiest to detect. Stay blessed.

InesQor:

@toneyb: What you can't understand as an atheist is that God does not listen to human words, he hears the spirit of meaning behind the words.

As far as Joshua's understanding goes, the sun was moving around the earth. So he prayed that the sun should stand still. But God understood what he wanted!

He didn't need to say the exact words that were de jure accurate, his faith combined with the prima facie (assumed, but now proven wrong) knowledge of how the inter-planetary motions occurred was sufficient for God to work with! It was easy for God to re-align the orbits of the planets to ensure that what Joshua needed was achieved!

Hi InesQor. If God re-aligned the orbits as you seem to suggest, then, an evidence of such planetry realignment can be detected. If you have a scientific evidence showing that the orbits were realigned at the time of Joshua, it will be nice if you provide them here. Stay blessed.

@Noetic 16

I do not want to comment on your visions directly but just to offer you some encouragement and some little advice. If you are permitted to see beyound the the physical, then it is normal for you to feel alone. It is also very normal that if you share what you see, you will not be understood and may even be ridiculed. But most importantly, the way things manifest beyound the physical can be quite complicated and contradictory when transported from the non-physical to the physical limitations of time and space. Many prophecies are not fufilled, not because the visionary didnot see the correct thing but partly because the visionary replicated the vision physically without the vision undergoing the necessary transformation to fit within the earthly or physical concept of time and space. While it is a gift to recieve vision and revelation from beyound the physical, it even requires more grace of God to remodell these visions to fit within the physical concept of time and space and thus manifest earthly as the prophet or seer saw it. The taste of the pudding lies in the eating. If your visions are correct, it will come to pass but if they are wrong or simply a projection of the mind of a non-physical entity or being, then it will not happen. Whichever way it turns out, it is important that you have the humility to accept it and mature inwardly from that. Best wishes

mavenbox:

Hello m_nwankwo, it's been a long time. I hope you and family are doing fine? Best Wishes!

Hi Mavenbox. Thanks! I and my family are fine. Hope you are fine too? Have fun and stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

It would be most useful if we can have the perspective of m_nwankwo on the life and identity of the Buddha.

Eminence Nwankwo?

Hi Deepsight. I am not worthy to be addressed as "Eminence". I will be following the thread and if I percieve an urge to speak on the mission and identity of Buddha, I will gladly do so. Have fun my friend and stay blessed.

JeSoul:

 
Nwankwo, thanks again.
Hmmm. Interesting. I see where you're going and it ties in with David's point above. We can't just skip them, but instead study it, and whatsoever spiritual insight or understanding we can glean, we take, all the while having the foundational concession that we will not be able to understand it fully. Is this a decent summary of your position?

That is close as long as you remove the word study because study refers to the comprehensive capacity of the brain. Spiritual things cannot be percieved with the faculties of the brain. Revelation is a spiritual book and glimpses of what it reveals is only possible with the faculty of the spirit.

There have been so so many variations of the whole 666 thing, that I have lost count. I dunno that anyone "wouldn't willingly collect" the mark - I wouldn't put that beyond the depraved nature of humans.

I consider that the number "666" is one of the part that is relevant to the spiritual development of humankind, thus I will ofer, albeit briefly my perception. "666" means "SIN". And sin is disobedience to the will of God. Stay blessed.

Why did God give us the book of Revelation then? back to the title of the thread: what is the purpose of giving us those prophecies if we cannot even understand them?

Hi again. God gave humanity Revelation so that they will take from it what is of spiritual benefit to them. I have previously alluded that some sections of the book are within the conceptional capacity of human beings and it is these sections that are of benefit to man. Man can with the grace of God understand these sections. But there are many parts of it that he cannot understand because it deals with spiritual and in some cases divine events clothed in earthly words. When man comes to such sections, he meets a brick wall and no matter how hard he tries, he or she will not succed. One of our problems is that we as a specie always think that we are the focus of attention and whatever God does, it is for our purpose. Let me say and I must emphasise that this is my perception and not drawn from the other books of the bible. The book of Revelation and the pictures that it unfolds deals with the entire cosmos, not just humans, thus angels have sections of it that will benefit them, higher spirits have sections of it that will benefit them, human spirits (us) on earth have sections of it that will benefit them and even human spirits living in other universes have sections of it that will benefit them, etc. Each specie takes from Revealation as much as it is capable based on its nature and origin. One evidence that human spirits often try to interpret sections that they are incapable of understanding can be seen with the various millenial groups whose prediction of endtime have never been accurate even for once. Stay blessed.

Hi Jesoul. The book of revelation is purely a spiritual book clothed in earthly words and in my own perception, it is 100% accurate and do contain the blueprint for what has happened, is happening and will happen. But we must realise that it deals with happening far beyound the conceptional capacity of even the most gifted human being, that is why it is a revelation in the first place. Any attempt at interpreting the book of Revelation or given a time frame when some of the prohecies will occure is doomed to failure. Many have done so in the past and many will also do so in the future but both them and their followers will end up with bitter disappointment for their interpretations will come to naught. But it is still possible that some sections of it can be revealed to a human being by God, and thus even with the highest calling and grace, the blessed one can only have part knowlege. It will be unwise and even dangerous to put up an interpretation based on part knowlege. My view is that their are more than enough signs in the universe and its various inhabitants to show that the end time is near or that we are already in the end time. The mechanisms on how it will unfold is left to God and his will. What we human beings should do is to see that at this moment, we are living absolutely in the sense of the will of God so that we are not found wanting  when the trumpets of God sound. One of our major weakness is that we spent enormous energy and time pondering what we will not understand even if it was explained to us and forget to do things that God require such as love of God, love fellow human beings, love of Gods creation, purity, chastity, humility, compassion, truthfulness etc. I am convinced that when the trumpet sounds, God will not judje us on how we interpret Revelation but whether or not we have lived our lives according to the will of God. Stay blessed.

toneyb:

Why do we hear of these things only in places like Nigeria?

Hi Toneyb,

You hear it not only in Nigeria but in every other place where physical claims or rather scientific claims are made without providing even an iorta of scientific evidence. Claims are cheap but scientific evidence do require much more. Once the average man start to ask for evidence, then these stories will disappear. I would have offered the secret behind some of these tricks as I have encountered the claimants on several occations but I guess I will keep quite. If people honestly believe such things, then the only thing that will convince them is when they have lost all their money and possesion as they seek to patronise those who claim to spin money from corpses. Best Wishes.