Deep Sight:

The omniscience of GOD may be said to rest in the nature of God as a transcendental, intangible, omni-dimensional mind.

Is the existence of such a mind compatible with "emergency actions" of the nature described within the Grail Message as per the mission of the Son of God? I ask this because the Message specifically states that the Son of God had to pass through many realms at great speed on account of the urgency of his mission - and as such did not stop to take-on the nature of such realms, before incarnating on the earth. This indicates an emergency - an urgency - a fire brigade action for the purpose of delivering redemption.

Is it possible to speak of an omni-dimensional omniscient mind such as GOD is -  involved in "urgencies" . . ."contingencies". . ."emergencies". . .of the sort described?

Would GOD not apprehend such things from primordial eternity already?

This seems to me to be a serious inconsistency in the though development of the Grail Messsage.

Hi DeepSight. Thank you for your  questions and comments. I offer my perceptions as follows. I sense that the cause of your concern lies with the tripartite concepts of omniscience, perfection and immutability. You question that if God is omniscient and his laws are perfect, then it is illogical for God to intervene in his creations as once happened with the incarnation of the son of God, Jesus. Omniscience simply mean that God knows of everything that is existence and also know the infinite possibilities (not certainties) of "things" not yet in existence. Thus when non-existence have not yet metamorphosed into existence, God knows the various possibilities that this non existence may take in the process of transforming into existence. The reason for this is quite simple. All existence as well as "non-existence" bear an intrinsic nature which it cannot shake off. In other words the nature of a specie, a creature, creations, "unformed" radiations  etc are inseparable from the specie, creature ,creations or unformed radiations themselves. Using a crude but physical example, an object with a mass will exert a gravitational pull and it will be impossible to remove all mass and still exert gravitational pull. This is the way the laws of God are. The laws of God are simply intrinsic abilities that is the nature of the radiations of God including creations, creatures etc. Thus, the laws of God are not like earthly laws promulgated by a parliament in which the laws are simply rules to which a community or society adhere to and which can be changed forcefully or democratically. The laws of God are immutable because they are not a set of rules or commandments given by God, rather they are the intrinsic nature of all radiations of God irrespective of their forms or formlessness. God knows with mathematical exactitude all the abilities that resides in each of his radiations and the possibilities that are open to such radiations. Because God knows all the possibilities, what you seem to call contingency or emergency is not an after thought by God but is already taken care off before any of the varied possibilities takes on the cloak of probability and then a certainty.

Thus God does not know that Lucifer will disobey him when God sent Lucifer to help in the development of the human spirit in material spheres particularly with respect to the development of the human brain. But does God know of the possibility that Lucifer may fell in his mission? Certainly God knows that it is possible that Lucifer may fell since it lies within his laws that a divine being or higher spirit sent out from his origin in the divine realm or Primordial Spiritual realm into subsequent creation (world of matter) can choose to disobey the will of God because at such a distance, such a high being is not subject to the enormous pressure of Gods power. In other words, at such cosmic distances from God, the source of all existence, it is possible to choose to obey or disobey the will of God. In a similar vain, God did not know that evil will come into existence but God certainly know of the possibility that evil can arise in subsequent creation. Equally God did not know that man will sin when the first waves of spirit germs left paradise but God certainly know that it is a possibility that they may go astray since the spirit germs or seeds have the talent of freewill which is an intrinsic part of its nature.

The omniscience and perfection lies in the fact, that every possibility is taken care of and thus nothing will be a surprise or outside the laws of God. Thus even before Lucifer rebelled against God, even before evil came in existence, even before man sinned, the omniscience of God ensures that "plans" already existed eternally to take care of such aberration introduced by creatures with the ability of free will. I will give an example that directly related to your concern or question. At the sixth plane of the primordial spiritual realm (counting from above downwards), there are two female primordial spiritual beings with names Maria and Therese. These female spiritual beings  clock envoys of God, that is the two sons of God and link them to earthly women who are prenatally prepared to be the earthly mother of the physical bodies of the envoys of God. The gap between an earthly woman and a direct incarnation of God, that is a son of God is too much and unbridgeable and thus a primordial spiritual female being has to act as a bridge. Thus a son of God during his incarnation and birth has a direct connection with the Primordial Female being while the earthly woman has connection with the female primordial being. The female being is connected with the earthly human spiritual woman through incarnation  and up to about 40 days after the birth of a son of God. The link between the female primordial vessels and the earthly human spiritual woman ensures that the earthly human spiritual woman have experiences which may be said to be miraculous or unusual. In this vain, one may understand why Mary, the earthly human woman that was predestined to be the earthly mother of Jesus experienced other worlds, the annunciation for example.  In case of the unsubstantiate love of God, Jesus, the primordial female being is called Maria and in case of the unsubstantiate will of God, Imanuel, the primordial spiritual being is Therese. I hope you can see omniscience at work for even before the man fell, even before Lucifer fell and even before sin entered the world, there are already provisions by God for the earthly incarnation of his two sons to redeem humnankid and also to chain Lucifer should in case Lucifer rebelled and men sinned.

Justcool has brilliantly described the mission of Jesus and I will not repeat what he has said. Just to mention that the incarnation of Jesus on earth did not just redeem man from his sins but pulled the ethereal earth from a premature death. The death of the physical earth would have followed that of the ethereal earth and all human spirits both in this physical earth and its environs (finer planes of gross matter like the astral plane) and ethereal planes would have suffered premature spiritual death and cease to exist. The thin veils that Jesus wore around him was also in accordance with his mission and not a deficiency. One of the mission of Jesus Christ is to bring the Truth but humanity was so encased in darkness that even those who wish to listen to him will tire too quickly and go astray. Such well meaning seekers whose strength was not enough to absorb the word of God because of the dense layers surrounding them need those dense layers to be thorn to shreds so that the words of Jesus can find its way to their spirit. Witnessing of divine miracles have the prospects of dispersing the dark layers that surrounds those genuine seekers allowing the words of Jesus to shone through and be alive in them. In order to bring about these instantaneous divine miracles, Jesus has to wear thin veils of all species that are foreign to the unsubstantiate love of God that he is. This has the advantage that his inner core which is God burst forth and shone more freely bringing about miracles. You may probably understand why he has to quickly transit through all planes before his earthly incarnation and birth.


Now, God and his laws are perfect but material creation or subsequent creation is not perfect because it was not directly created by God. Material creation or subsequent creation is the work  primordial spiritual beings. This work of the primordial beings is a school for development of the human spiritual. What is subject to development is not perfect. One of the possibility out of many is that it can be developed to its own level of perfection or it can also be developed into imperfection. It lies within the ability of free will to move towards its own level of perfection or move towards imperfection. A developmental field, that is material creation was turned into the realm of sin and imperfections by the human spiritual in exercise of their free will following the principle of wrong doing first introduced by Lucifer. Lucifer and the human spirit used the power of free will for wrong purposes. Again even before material creations came into existence the omniscience which resides in God foresaw this possibility and preparations to eliminate the absurdity have existed since the beginning of creation. Again I hope you will see the manifestation of omniscience and perfection of God. Imperfections can arise as a result of the misapplication of the laws of God but since the laws of God are perfect, the imperfections due to misapplication cannot be sustained, since the laws of cycle ensures that all imperfections will be disintegrated. Thus evil or imperfections can only exist albeit temporary in material creations but even this temporal existence will come to an end when the power of God compels evil to destroy itself. In the beginning, all were good and in the end, all will also be good. The battle between good and evil lies only between the beginning and the end. Someday, this earth will be a reflection of the kingdom of God where only the will of God reigns. Evil, diseases, etc will cease to exist.


Finaly, remember that what I have described as the laws of God are simply manifestation of what actually is the living law of God. In absolute terms, the living laws of God is in God. Just like one can say that God is Love, Light or Truth, I also say that God is the LAW. The laws vibrating in creation are only coarse and part reflections of the laws that lives in God. Since every creation including primordial creation reflects only a minute part of the Living Law that is in God, you will probably understand why these part laws manifesting in various creations are limited. But the living law that is in God has all the laws and that will explain why certain things which are impossible for part laws vibrating in creation are quite possible when an envoy of God carrying all the laws of creation presses them into fulfilment. Again, I give an example with the act of healing. Vibrating within creation are healing power centres which carries in themselves part laws which can bring about miracles if an afflicted person or a genuine healer sends up fervent prayers for help. Many of the illness even cancer in its early phases can benefit from these healing centres which God has woven into creation. But there are instances like a terminal cancer case with 100% medical prognosis of fatality  in less than two weeks. Now pay close attention. Imagine this cancer patient to be the only child of a couple who have genuinely prayed for Gods help for everything they have tried have failed, therapy by the best medial oncologists, prayers by the most reputed faith healers, intervention by those who believe they are God men. These two human beings have exhausted all possibilities and the specialist have told them that their child has a maximum of two weeks to live. The father is preparing for the funnel and this experience have even shaken his belief in God. He thunders, why will God allow my only son to die? If God exists, why could he not heal my son, for four years now we have gone from one hospital to another, from one church to another, from one sage to another and now the doctor says that my son has two weeks to live. He started reigning abuses to God and mummed in hopelessness that God does not exit.  His wife who senses that God exists in spite of all their travels tries to calm the husband down but all to no avail. Looking straight into his eyes the husband wondered loudly why the wife still believes in spite of what is happening to them, sobbing uncontrollably the wife called on God with every depth of her soul to help.

Now, this prayer which is not in words leaves the woman for this woman is not even earthly conscious of the help that her inner being have sought. This prayer gets connected via a lot of substantiate mediators to the highest of the power centres in the Primordial Spiritual. At this point, it was know that the cure to the terminal cancer case is beyond what is possible in creation. Again the highest of the substantiate mediators links themselves with this prayer given it the buoyancy to escape beyond creation into the divine realm and then into the proximity of God. Now in answer to this prayer that have travelled cosmic distances to reach God, the source of existence, God then enacts a fresh act of will embodying all the laws necessary to effect instantaneous healing. This volition then leaves the divine plane and find its way to the child through mediators and low and behold the child is healed instantaneous with independent confirmation by medical investigators,  The point of this illustration is to show you that the perfection of the laws in creation also detect there limitations because they are part laws and in some cases forward such detection to God who can decide to bring help. Thus, God did not finish creating and then went to sleep. Rather his creation needs sustenance and even his laws in creation needs maintenance or re-invigoration. Now did God know that the spirit germ who later developed to the child I used in my illustration will have terminal cancer at the time that spirit germ first left paradise some millions of year ago. My answer is that God did not know for such knowledge is not in existence. Does God know of the possibility that if sin entered the world of matter, diseases like cancer will begin to exist. Certainly God knows of that possibility. Above all the perfection of his laws has put machinery in motion from the beginning of creation to take care of such a possibility. Thus God can and do intervene in his creation but such intervention is not an arbitrary act or emergency as you seem to call them but only the working out of the perfection of the laws of God. Lastly remember that once every earthly year, God pours his power into creation from outside of creation for the sustenance and maintainable of creation. The Pentecost that the disciples of Jesus experienced is one such event. Pentecost continues to happen every year and any creature irrespective of whether he is in this world or the beyond can recieve of this power if he is inwardly open. Without this periodic influx of energy from God into creations, all creations will gradually grow old, die, decay and disintegrate. As always stay blessed.

Hi Deep Sight. Happy birthday. I wish you Strength. Stay blessed.

Dr Ferlie:

M_Nwankwo / Justcool - Greetings to you,

I have gone through some of your writings on this platform and I am quite impressed with the depth of your spiritual knowledge/experience. I came across some of your views on re-incarnation and possibility of re-incarnated souls existing on other planets in the cosmos.
I am very much keen in learning more about this, based on your personal experience, and as taught by the grail message.
Stay blessed

Hi Dr. Ferlie. Thanks for your questions. Justcool have addressed the questions you raised and I agree with his perceptions. Thus, there is no point in me repeating the same thing. If as the thread develops, I sense the need to make a contribution, I would gladly do so. Stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

Thank you Nwankwo. Your explanations are most useful.

But why resile from discussing Abd-Ru-Shin? That would be useful too.

Hi Deep Sight. The reason is that each human spirit should come to such a recognition by himself. Reading the Grail Message and even seeing some passages where an intellectual inference can be made on the identity of Abd-ru-Shin is not equivalent to recognising or knowing who Abd-ru-Shin is. Many intellectually believe he is this or that after reading the Grail Message but they have not recognised him. Recognition of the personality of Abd-ru-Shin is a spiritual experience that God gives to those who need it for there own spiritual advancement. It may thus sound strange to you but I am aware of individuals who know who Abd-ru-Shin is even without reading the Grail Message.  I leave it at that. As always stay blessed.

@Deep Sight

Hi DeepSight. I again address your concern and in doing so I will leave out Abd-ru-Shin and concentrate on Imanuel and Parsifal.

With much respect I have to disagree with you sir. And in this by no means do i propose to address to you that which you certainly know better than I do: but I wish to draw your attention to what I believe amounts to hairsplitting.

Let us imagine a human spirit which incarnates on earth as a human being in a physical body. Let us call the human spirit "X."

Going by your analogy once X incarnates on earth in a physical body, we would state that he is no longer "X." We would state that the human being on earth is a different personage. As you can see this is absolutely untenable. The accurate perception will be to say that the human being in the physical body is indeed X himself in a physical body.

Your analogy with respect to the human spirit and his physical clock does not apply for the simple reason that a physical clock is not a living being in itself but simply an instrument through which the spirit experiences the physical world. Parsifal is a living being and the use of the word clock is simply to show that it is the vessel through which Imanuel, the Holy Spirit works in creation. The divine radiations of the the Holy Spirit will remain divine radiations except when transformed through the vessel that is Parsifal. Only by such a transformation do you have the Primordial Spiritual creation. The animating core of Imanuel is God essence and the animating core of Parsifal is Primordial Spiritual essence. May I also remind you that Imanuel, or Parsifal do not need to step out of outside of creation or at the submit of creation into creation, rather there volition are living and can emanate from them, journeying into different parts of the creations. When the time is ripe, hopefully I will be permitted to show you in spirit what may help you in this connection.

It is abundantly clear that the Grail Message teaches that -

1. Imanuel is the Holy Spirit

2. Parsifal is the Primordial Spiritual Cloak of Imanuel.

This is correct.

Thus as is the case with the human example i gave above, it is abundantly clear that Parsifal is indeed Imanuel with a Primordial Spiritual Cloak. As such it is very strange indeed that you can say (a) Imanuel is the Holy Spirit and (b) Parsifal is the cloak of Imanuel - and yet contend that Parsifal is not the Holy Spirit. This is exactly analogous to saying that X in the example above is not the human being incarnated on earth. You will agree with me that this amounts to a grievuous degree of hairsplitting which cannot be said to convey the truth.

This is wrong and look at my explanation above. Immanuel is connected to Parsifal by unbreakable radiation and it is wrong to say that Parsifal is Imanuel with a Primordial Spiritual Clock. If you agree that Parsifal is the Primordial Spiritual Clock of Imanuel, does it make sense to you to say again that the "the Primodial Spiritual Clock of Imanuel (Parsifal) is Imanuel with the Primordial Spiritual Clock". This is a direct literal translation of what you are saying. Parsifal is inseparable from Imanuel in there working but they are not the same. How can a vessel become the same as the owner of the vessel? Even in your human analogy, can you say that the human physical body is the spirit with a physical body. Reflect on this and maybe you may sense what I am trying to convey to you.

f your statement were to be accepted, then it would equally follow that Jesus of Nazareth as incarnated on Earth was not the Son of God BUT A DIFFERENT PERSONAGE! I hope you see this clearly.

Now if you insist that Jesus was actually the Son of God incarnated on EARTH then you CANNOT state that Abd Ru Shin, the writer of the Grail Message was not Parsifal! This is absolutely ineluctable.

If you wish to know the detail of the incarnation of God as Jesus, I may offer my perception if I consider it to be necessary. Jesus is the son of God even on earth for what is Jesus is an incarnation of an essence of God the Father. That unsubstantiate divine essence left God the Father but connected to God the Father through an unbreakable radiation chain. Thus it is absolutely correct to call him the son of God or God the son. It is a similar process with Imanuel, the Holy Spirit. But it is different with Parsifal. Parsifal unlike Jesus and Imanuel is not the unsubstantiate essense of God the Father, rather he is the Primordial Spiritual anchorage of Holy Spirit. The origin of Parsifal lies in the union of radiation between the Holy Spirit and the Primordial Queen, the queen of heaven. Parsifal thus have an unbreakable radiation connection with the Holy Spirit and the Primordial Queen. The divine radiations of the Holy Spirit glows through Parsifal resulting in a transformation of the radiation and consequent emergence of various creations. For some personal reasons, I will not dwell on the identity of Abd-ru-Shin. But be reminded that even when Abd-ru-Shin was physically on earth, Parsifal was still at the summit of the entire creation as the king of the highest temple of God in creation, the Primordial Grail Castle, and Imanuel, the Holy Spirit was still outside and above all creation and king in the Divine Grail Castle. Reflect on this and may be the correct picture may emerge. I state again, it is Imanuel that is the the Holy Spirit and hence a son of God and not Parsifal. Parsifal came from Imanuel and is absolutely dependent on Imanuel but Imanuel didnot come from Parsifal and has no beginning. Parsifal is nothing without Imanuel. Thus Imanuel works in and through Parsifal and not the reverse.

At the end of the day, you have spoken about radiated beings. This must perforce be the same process by which the supposed son of God, Jesus, was radiated to Earth: or do you assert it not to be so? Once you call Jesus the Son of God, then it per force follows that Abd Ru Shin is indeed also that other son of God and is thus the Holy Spirit - Imanuel - in a physical body.

See my explanations above.

manuel - - - -> Parsifal - - - - > Abd Ru Shin

Are these not THE SAME PERSON in different cloaks?

The are not the same persons. See again my explanations above.

I therefore regard it as eminently strange that you would claim that the Grail Message does not assert Abd Ru Shin to be the son of God who is teh Holy Spirit.

If you will insist on this, perhaps it will be apt for me to extract word for word what the Grail Message does say and post it here?

I do not want to dwell on the identity of Abd-ru-Shin. Revelation of the identity of Abd-ru-Shin should be personal to each person. You are free to pull out relevant passage and I will offer my perceptions on them. As always stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

PS: I hope you are aware that the adherents of the Grail Message  - from which M_Nwankwo's views are sourced, also believe that the writer of the Grail Message, Mr. Abd Ru Shin - is the earthly incarnation of a being called Parsifal - who they believe is the Holy Spirit himself and part of the Trinity. Perhaps you are also willing to swallow that?

Hi Deep Sight. Your assertion above is not what the Grail Message teaches and I have on several discussions drawn you attention to the point that Parsifal is not the Holy Spirit. I will again remind you the position of the Grail Message on this issue and hopefully you will see the teaching of the Grail Message on this issue even when you disagree with it. The Grail Message teaches that Imanuel is the Holy Spirit. Parsifal is the Primordial Spiritual clock of Imanuel. Parsifal is created even though he is the first in creation. Thus it is the HolySpirit or Imanuel that is a son of God just like Jesus, not Parsifal who is the highest created being. The Grail Message teaches that Jesus is the inborn son of God the Father and Imanuel is the outborn son of God the Father. As always,stay blessed.

49cents:

Hi Nwankwo, just popped in to pose these questions which are based on your earlier posts and it is as follows,

1. How where you able to 'Deduce' that  Jesus, is the Son of God?

2. Can anyone know anything partaining to the Divine or the spiritual realities for sure?
and if yes,
3. how can one know these things for sure?
4. How come several spiritual masters or enlightened persons have with varying perceptions and conflicting beliefs of spiritual issues? and they use the similar tools of prayer and meditation?
Finally is the instituition of the Church ever releveant for preservation and commuinication of  spiritual revelation?
Thanks,

Hi 49cents. Thanks for your questions. I address your questions as follows:

1. I know that Jesus is the son of God by revelation and later by intuitive experiencing. Jesus himself said that he is the son of God and the Grail Message which I adhere to gave explanations on why Jesus is the son of God. But the testimony of Jesus and that of the Grail Message belong to revelation. But, I do not accept anything especially spiritual matters just because Jesus or the Grail Message said so. I know there is a faculty or an antennae which God implanted in our spirits, as an intrinsic nature of the spirit and this antennae or faculty is given to us  so that we can discern Gods will with certainty. This antennae or faculty is called intuition and has no relationship with feeling. Thus when confronted with the claim of Jesus as well as that of the Grail Message, I prayed that the truth or otherwise of this son-ship of Jesus should be made known to me. I was permitted a spiritual experience which took me back to the time Jesus was physically on earth. That spiritual experience  which I will not discuss here for it is meant for me alone gave me the irrefutable conviction that Jesus is the son of God. And I am sure any other person can have the same confirmation if the pray for it. It will be given to them when such knowledge will help them to advance spiritually. Thus when one is confronted with a puzzle in spiritual matters or even earthly matters, empty yourself of all thoughts, and pray. Then the waves of prayer emanating from your spirit are not hindered by intellectual pondering or brain activity and it will find connection with the power of God. You will then find answers to what you seek.

But the next question will be " How is M_Nwankwo sure that this experience is not his imagination or that he is simply deluded". I know it is not imagination or delusion but I cannot transfer this knowledge to a skeptic or anybody else. All I can say is that such spiritual experience while personal to one, the transformation it engenders is radiated outwards so that others will sense that a major transformation of the person has taken place.

2. Yes, we can know with certainty spiritual matters and intuitively perceive with certainty  revealed divine realities. The love of God adequately equipped each human spirit by blessing it with the faculty of intuition. Unfortunately, the voice of the spirit have been wilfully tied up by the activities of the brain that many can no longer perceive with the faculties of the spirit, hence our inability to discern reality from illusion, miracle from magic, genuine healing from mystical arts, truth from falsehood etc.  The laws of God are written in every creation of God and these laws are imbued with love, justice and purity. Thus what ever is lacking in love, justice and purity is not of God and in this matter there are no exceptions. Every normal soul still know what purity, justice and love are. Thus if a man says that God told him to steal from his neighbour and bring the bounty to his church, a normal human being does not need a vision to know that such an action is not of God but of the devil. The language of God is the laws of God in creation and by experiencing these laws of the universe and making it our own, we can with certainty know what is the will of God and what is not. Besides, love, purity and justice if they become an integral part of the spirit gives it the magnetic attraction to only draw from God who is the source of justice, love and purity, while at the same time forming a magnetic repulsion to all that is base, impure, dark and unjust. An evil volition or spirit or entity have no influence over a soul who lives in the laws of God and such a servant of God can easily differentiate for his intuition is alive.

3. Many call themselves Masters but they are not. Part of the confusion is the activities of these false masters and sages. Another part of the confusion is where a true teaching by a genuine servant or prophet of God has been distorted by the followers. But a normal human being can again see through the confusion. The fruits of genuine spirituality are love, purity, justice, compassion and other virtues and where these are lacking, be rest assured that such a teaching, religion, sect or individual is not of God. But if still in doubt, pray to God in humility and silence and you will receive guidance and clarification. We are always surrounded by the incomprehensible love of God and no one will be led astray except if such a person stubbornly decides to go astray. Even then, the love of God still inclines to us bringing experiences designed to wake us from spiritual slumber or rescue us from a false spiritual path. In the course of even one earth life, several of such soul shaking experiences are placed on our path and if a soul still goes astray after all this, then such a soul has himself to blame for his inevitable destruction.

4. No, the church is not necessary or relevant for spiritual communication. God created us without a church and he can save us without a church too. Church came as a result of the will of Men and not the will of God. There is no church in heaven, the spiritual kingdom of God. God calls his servants and prepares them for there mission prenatally. Spiritually, members of the church are all those human beings and creatures who live according to the will of God. Whether or not they attend an earthly or non earthly institution is irrelevant. The only criteria for admittance to the spiritual church is recognition and obedience to the will of God. It has nothing to do with earthly or non earthly institutions, religions, sects or movements.  Besides, genuine revelations from God are indelibly written in the book of creation and anyone can be permitted to look into the book of life and see the past, the present and the future. Having said that there are still some Truth in the earthly Churches or religions and an inwardly alive human being can see the truth and discard the falsehood. If you know rice, you can still pick out grains of rice when a cup of rice is mixed with a bag of sand. Stay blessed.

49cents:


Thanks for your response I really appreciate the efforts you usually put in replying well that simply tells me that you are very passionate and sure of what you believe yet surprisingly calm about it……

Hi 49cents. Thanks for your kind comment. Stay blessed.

@Deep Sight,

Thanks for your well reasoned response to my post and for also taking your time to reproduce the essay of Christian Anyiam.  I address the questions and concerns as follows.

Sir, how is it possible for the human spirit to have a volition in the first place? If that volition does not itself contain intrinsic power as you suggest, but draws on powers external to it, would the volition exist in the first place. Most importantly - what makes or renders it a volition - as distinct from  a similar thing which cannot draw on any such powers.

I hope my inquiry is clear. I was of the view that everything in existence is imbued with energy. God naturally is the source and fountain of all energy. For this reason I understand clearly what you mean when you say all power in existence is of God. However I feel that by the very act of creation, powers are donated to sentient beings and other beings within creation: otherwise such beings would be ab initio dead - and not exist.

Thus the very fact of a sentient being's existence renders it apt to regard that such a being has already been donated with powers.

A spirit has volition or free will because it came into existence at a point where the radiation of God has slackened or cooled off. The volitions which we mean here are the decisions of the spirit. These volitions of the spirit mould ethereal matter into forms and shapes encapsulating or embodying what is so willed. In this way worlds and universes have arisen of which the human spirit is the originator. The point is that the human spirit is only able to do this because God loaned him or permitted accesses to the principal neutral power of God. The key to tap into the principal neutral power of God is a faculty of the spirit and this  faculty is the intuition. A will of the spirit which is a consequence of the free will emanates as spiritual waves from the spirit but this spiritual wave is unable to mould ethereal matter into various forms except there is a union with the principal neutral power of God. Thus, an automatic union of spiritual volition with the principal neutral power allows the transformed radiation union to acquire the formative ability, that is the ability to bring forms into existence.

Now, you correctly stated that this principal power is loaned to man and if you reflect on it, you have hit on the correct perception without  being intellectually conscious of it. It is not difficult to see that  you do not need to be loaned what is yours, rather what is loaned to you belong to somebody else. There are billions and billions of various gradations of the power of God but you seem to think in the context of this discussion that the ability to form  (not create) is what constitutes the power of God, hence you wonder that the spirit will be as good as dead if it cannot bring forms on its own alone. And yet, the spirit itself is a power of God and the the intuitive faculty that makes contact with the neutral power of God is also a power of God. I clearly stated that in the spirit lies the faculty or key to this neutral power of God. Consider, the human spirit precipitated out of the cooling off of the radiation of God. Thus spiritual emanations emanating from the human spirit is also considerably cooled that it lacks the intrinsic vitality to bring shape and mould ethereal matter. To do this it needs to be vitalized or activated by the principal neutral power of God, a power that has greater energy and potency because it is a different specie of Gods radiations that have not cooled off unlike those that gave rise to the human spirit. Reflect deeply into my last sentence and you may find answers to many a puzzle.

As I have said above, I do not by my supposition in any way equate man with God. I am much too conscious of the littleness of man in the vastness of the physical universe alone - let alone the whole of creation - to be so intrepid.

What I did suggest - and do suggest again, might read as follows -

1. From where did all beings issue, or proceed? My Answer - God (however long the chain of gradations may be  the ultimate source of all things is still God).

2. Thus all beings bear an imprint of that from which all beings issued from.

3. Thus human spirits as conscious sentient beings, bear some imprint of that which is their ultimate source.

Yes, all beings can in a general sense be traced to God. But specific details are required if we are to have a conception closer to the Truth. The truth is that all beings can be directly traced to the radiations or emanations of God but not to God himself. Yes, the radiations are a natural consequence that God is, but the radiations of God are not God. Thus everything outside of God has its origin in the radiations of God. I am sure no body will be bold enough to assert that the sun and its rays are one and the same thing. The sun produces radiations but the radiations do not produce the sun. This is a crude analogy but it will hopefully help. Consciousness as is often assumed is not God but an attribute that is present in some radiations of God, just like free will is an attribute of some radiations of God.

This is what I understand by being made in the image of God - not that men are God: but that men might be said to bear imprints of the nature of God. One such imprint I might say is the very simple fact of being both conscious and sentient: an attribute of many other living things as well - and it is this fact that is absolutely integral in my mind, for the fact of being said to be "in the image" of God - even though the level of consciousness and sentience of the ultimate element (God) of course can never be compared to the level of consciousness and sentience of a small creature. That is well understood.

It is not without reason that man is said to be made "in the image of God". Thus man is not even the image of God but was made or copied from the image of God. In this lies what many have missed for nothing can be created or made from God but rather from the image of God. How do you mirror or reflect something into a form or formlessness (creations) when God that is supposed to be reflected or mirrored have no form and indeed stands outside the concept of forms and formlessness?  God is unsubstantiate and thus beyond the concepts of forms embodied in such things as "image". The image of God outside of creation refers to his direct divine radiations which have always been in existence since they are a natural consequence that God is eternal. The divine radiations although eternal are substantiate and thus can be "reproduced" as an image or a picture. Thus it is these substantiate divine radiations of God that are the image of God. Now, when God brought creation into existence,  spiritual prototypes of these divine images of God first came into existence at the highest spiritual realm and these spiritual prototypes of the divine images of God outside of creation is revealed to us as the Primordial Spiritual beings. They were created perfect and are of unimaginable beauty and size. The spirits including created spirits as well as those that developed from a spirit seed or germ (human spirit developed from a spirit germ) are created in the likeness of the Primordial Spiritual beings.

However there is another thing that I wish to say. . .I often have this perception that the sheer ineffability of God is incompatible with the idea that God is a personal being. I am thus sometimes inclined to feel that the ultimate element, only finds personal expression in individual sentient beings, but is not itself a personal being. It might be on account of the limits of my own human mind, but I often imagine that being personal in any way is a limitation of that which is immaterial, intangible and absolutely self-existent. . .

However I would be deeply interested in your view on this - is God a personal being? Of course it is sufficient to say that one does not know and no one may ever know or describe what God is.

I do not know whether God is a personal being or not. But what I do know is that God does not find personal expression in individual sentiment beings. Why will a self existent and unsubstantiate God need personal expression in his creatures? God is absolutely independent of all his creations but all his creations are absolutely dependent on God. Maybe, someday we discuss the relationship between God and his creations. But remember that the creation that we are aware of, from the spiritual kingdom of God down to the gross material universes is not the only creation of God. There are several others standing beside each other but a complete system in itself and some of these creations came into existence before the one that the human spirit is part of. 


Now, let me address albeit briefly the essay of  Christian Anyiam

It is very unfortunate, deceptive and embarrassing, that thousands of Christians, especially in Nigeria do not know, or pretend not to know the worth of a mystic. They erroneously, time without number, regard him or her as a non-believer in God almighty. Such ignorant people, one would call them, should realize that a true mystic believe there is but one ever-living God, the creator of all created things, the Father of human beings, loving, merciful, just, omnipotent, and omnipresent.

My view is that most mystics do not believe in God Almighty. They believe that the are part of God Almighty or can develop into being a part of God Almighty. It is indeed the mystic that is ignorant. No matter how the words are framed, it all boils down to a human spirit believing that he is God or part of God. It is an irony for one to claim that he believes in God and at the same time believes that God or part of God is in him. The mystic believes in Himself and his imagined abilities.

The mystic, imbued with inner spiritual knowledge of real truth and God, has no other God but this God who is the God of the Christians, the God of the Jews, and the God of any other religious group of people. But he agrees that the soul in man and each and every segment of human life on earth, is a part of the consciousness of God and that in this fact lies the manifestation or the essence of the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of man.

It is indubitable that each living being on earth is a living soul, not a mere human being. The fact remains that the soul is incarnated in a body of flesh or is resident within a human form. It is therefore inconceivable to the mystic that God is concerned in anyway with the human, physical part of our earthly existence. A part of God’s soul or consciousness was not breathed into the clay body of man in the beginning of time or now in the present time for the purpose of aggrandizing a lifeless physical form and making it a majestic image. If we accept the idea that God created man in his own image, it can only mean that we are spiritual images of him. Any other interpretation of this idea would be not only incongruous but also wholly unsatisfactory to our spiritual nature.

Again this quote clearly brings out what is very common to mystics and that is vagueness and lack of clarity. Just look within the quote above. On one hand the mystic says that every human soul is "a part of Gods soul or consciousness"  and at the same time claim that that human souls are "spiritual images of God". Are "parts of God soul" the same thing as "spiritual images of God"? If the human soul and other things are "part of Gods soul", why will a "part of Gods soul" need development and evolution? Evolution and development are incompatible with God or parts of God. Besides, what necessary experiences is a "part of Gods Soul" deriving from being a murderer , a virluent virus like Ebola virus or HIV. According to this way of thinking, one wonders why a part of Gods soul embodied in a murderer or pathogenic bacterium is killing and destroying other " parts of Gods soul". As always stay blessed.

49cents:

Hey Nwankwo Hw r you doing?; i just wanted to clarify that true love(charity, still means the same thing is just a matter of smeantics) of God is a reaction to God's own intervention of grace and i concur with you on your explanation of what true love consists in it is rare to find someone who has arrived at this conclusion (i have heard these exact words from some christain mystics and find it very reasonable), same goes for the OBE, NDE, astrologers and the like are quite dangerous but the unwary curios soul will fall into its weary maze until they are completely dazed cos they find no true fulfillment on their sojourn they embarked on.

Hi 49cents. I am fine. Thank you. Hope you are fine too.

49cents:

I had a chat with a guy who spoke volumes about Jesus as an Avatar (messiah) who is sent by God to save those whom those are his; He says Jesus is His master but not the Master of all; that every soul has to search and 'cry' to God to find his own Master, which could be Buddha, Mohammed or other Messiahs whom have appeared in human history, whats your view on this. Stay blessed

I do not agree with the views expressed by the guy you spoke to. Jesus is the son of God, that means that an essence of God the Father became personal as Jesus. Thus Jesus is an incarnation of God.Taking into cognisance the limitation of our earthly language, one can say that Jesus is a "part" of God the Father that is personal in the work of love. One can also say that Jesus is the personification of the Love that is God and is in God. Thus Jesus is the only real Master for he is a son of God or God the son if the later will enable you to form a conception that is a bit closer to the Truth. Only God the Father is the Truth and since Jesus is a "part" of God the Father, he too is the Truth.

Now Jesus came for the salvation of all, not for any particular group of people and anyone who lives in the sense of genuine love is following the teachings of Jesus even if he or she have not heard about Jesus on this earth. Having returned to God the Father after the fulfilment of his mission, Jesus is not in creation any more but outside and above all creations. Jesus has reunited with his Father. Thus claims by religious people or mystics of having contact with Jesus is false. What they see in all circumstances is there own "Jesus". This false "Jesus" was created by the founders and followers of these movements or societies until it became very powerful that it controls them and performs so called "miracles for followers. This beautiful thread by MyJoe has addressed in part how human beings by misapplying the power of God create demons. Thus, it is for this reason that all religions or societies have created there own false Jesus and you can now understand why they have stories and encounters with this false Jesus. God is not in creation. The only way God can be in creation is through incarnation as once happened with Jesus. If Jesus, the son of God will enter creation without the necessary step-down anchorages, then the entire creation including spiritual creation will just literally vapourize and cease to exist on coming in contact with the white heat emanating from unsusbstantiate, God-essense  of Jesus, the son of God. And yet, many a human being imagine that they have personal contact with Jesus. Yes, they do have contact but not with the genuine Jesus, the son of God but with a fake Jesus created and animated by them and others who think like them. Thus to answer your question, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of God is the only genuine Master and on account of the fact that he is God the son, no creature can have a direct personal contact with him. All contact are indirect  through several chains of spiritual mediators. I will not go into this as it will take us into distances that will make our heads begin to swell.

It is spiritual ignorance that makes most people to think that Jesus is just a prophet like several others. Buddha, Mohammed, Moses, Zoroaster, Laotze, Krishna, Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist etc are not incarnations of God but creatures who God called to be his Prophets. God gave them revelations adapted to the spiritual maturity and culture of their people. Thus, these prophets taught recognitions or part truths since a creature even with the highest blessings can only receive part Truth. Only the one that is the Truth can teach the whole Truth. Only God is the Truth. Thus all these prophets of God were forerunners to the Truth. Their message is meant to form a flight of steps leading to the ultimate Truth that Jesus brought. These prophets of God in different cultures faithfully fulfilled there mission. As we mature, the truth of what these prophets actually taught in different era will be shown to us by the grace of God and we may see how divorced the various movements in the name of these prophets are from what they actually taught. Then one may see that Buddha, Mohammed, LaoTze etc taught the same truth only adapted to the spiritual maturity and culture of their people. A prophet of God writes or says what God reveals to him, a son of God draws from Himself for he is "part" of God the Father and one with God the Father. Thus a son of God carries the knowledge in himself and does not need any training. Once the appointed time ordained by God the Father reaches, the radiations connection are stretched taught and a son of God draws consciously from the inexhaustible fountain of divine omnipotence and omniscience. If you think deeply into this, you may appreciate why all the claims of Jesus going to India, Persia or even Tibet to learn the mystical arts is spiritual nonsense. Stay blessed.

@Deep Sight,

Thanks for your reasoned response. I reply to the concerns you expressed as follows:

Although you had already indicated that the analogy is a crude one, I must say that i very much doubt that a human spirit may be compared to a mirror in any terms. My reason is this - humans live and experience. This renders them more than mere reflectors, but living manifestations of the element that they represent. Accordingly I think it is more apt to view sentient beings in terms of the little pots of consciousness i referred to: each containing a portion of reality: God being the compound of all transcendental reality.

The analogy to the mirror was not meant to show that man is just a mere reflector of the power of God, rather it was meant to show that man is a receptor of the neutral power of God but transforms this power. In other words, the emanations or the volitions emanating from the human spirit can only take on form or shape in union with the neutral power of God. One can also say that the power of God gives life or activates what man and other creatures have willed. It is thus a question of union of radiations, that is the union of the divine principal power resting in creation and the volitions of sentient conscious beings including man. Without this principal power of God, the volitions of man will be like a car without a fuel. Such a volition will disintegrate for the principal power of God which activates it is lacking. A creature cannot be the creator or  minute parts of the creator or individualised pots of the creator. Pure divinity describes the nature of God, just like Holinesss and the nature of the creator is unattainable by creatures. A photograph of DeepSight can enable somebody who have never met DeepSight to recognise Deepsight but that photograph is not Deepsight and not a single portion of DeepSight is in the photograph. If this power resides in man as you seem to suggest, then you are actually saying that man is God or potions of God. When stripped of all the coverings, the belief that we are individualized consciousness that is God is tantamount to saying that man is God. I do not know of anything more egoistic than the desire of the creature to be God.

1. If Human Spirits were mere reflectors of Divine Power then they would always do the divine will and nothing else!

   2. The fact that human beings posess free independent volitions shows emphatically that they are not merely "reflecting" something else, but are actually embodiments of free sentient consciousness with the intrinsic capacity to make decisions and thus affect reality.

I think No. 1 above is absolutely key: namely that if humans did not have the intrinsic power within them, then they would always conform to the divine will as mere reflectors of that will. Clearly that is not the case!

 
As I already said above, the human spirit has free will and thus is capable of personal volitions. The point is that these forms will be dead without the principal neutral power of God. Besides the neutral power simply is, it activates what man wills whether it is good or bad. The free will inherent in the human spirit produces the volitions and the power of God gives life to what the human spirit wills. Again another crude analogy may suffice. Imagine the energy trapped in the atom as the principal neutral power of God and imagine a nuclear physicist as the human spirit. The power in the atom is neither atomic bomb nor electricity generating nuclear power station. The physicist has with him the ability to turn this power in the atom into an atomic bomb or an electricity generating nuclear plant. What ever option he chooses is dependent on him, the power buried in the atom just provides the material that he needs to bring to fruition his choice. If he has no radioactive nuclei, he will not be able to produce a nuclear bomb or a nuclear reactor in spite of his desire to do so. Thus give a deeper reflection to the difference between the divine neutral principal power of God and application of this neutral power by creatures that you refer as sentient beings.

Is it really possible to state that the spirit will develop eternally and yet never develop into the state of union with God?

Is such a union not a state where the ego of man will not exist anymore in the finite sense. . .does this not approximate possibly to the Buddhist concept of Nirvana. . .

Yes. This is because there is continual development and no standstill in creation. Development is  for creatures of God but not for God. God is not subject to development and indeed God lies outside the concept of development. What is the purpose of human existence if the ego consciousness will be dissolved on merging with God as you seem to suggest. Why spend ones existence in the development of an ego that is according to divine will only for that ego to be dissolved. Is love, the very basis of existence which is also a living part of the ego that a mature spirit has been blessed with be dissolved? Ego consciousness in the sense of the divine will is the purpose of human existence and it divorced from the false ego. Yes a mature human spirit cannot get back to the kingdom of God with any false ego but will step into the gates of heaven with the true ego, that is a personal self conscious spirit that breathes and radiates love, justice and purity. Thus the true ego-consciousness is an integral part of a spiritually mature spirit and to dissolve this ego-consciousness is to dissolve the spirit. That is impossible for nothing that is pure and swings according to the laws of God will undergo disintegration.

Disintegration of the spirit is only for those who in their wandering disobeyed the divine will and thus acquired several false ego. These false egos including pride, immorality, avarice, and all evils are material and thus hang on the spirit. Such a spirit cannot journey back to paradise but is held firmly in material creations by all the false ego. All material creations both physically visible and invisible are subject to disintegration and renewal. A human spirit that have acquired the false ego will then be subject to disintegration with matter and this process of disintegration disintegrates the ego-consciousness of such a human spirit. The spirit ceases to exist and reverts back to an unconscious spirit seed. That is effacement from the book of life.  That is the most terrible thing that will befall a spirit that have previously acquired consciousness. It is thus not progress but a dreadful and painful retrogression from conscious existence to non existence.

There is no such disintegration for a mature spirit as Buddhist Nirvana advocates. No mature spirit can go one step beyond his inner maturity. If for some special reasons , a human spirit have to go one step beyond his inner maturity, then he will be "carried" by a higher spirit across such boundary and during such a journey the human spirit is unconscious and thus will not intuitively recall the events and processes that happened in the higher sphere. In very rare cases, if a human spirit is specially called, then a radiation antennae from a higher realm will be accorded on such a one by God and this antennae permits such a one to perceive activities or events in realms higher than the one he is presently standing. The flames on the head of the disciples of Christ during the Pentecost is one such radiation antennae. Even today, all genuine disciples of God have this flame on there forehead and individuals with pure clairvoyant abilities can see it even when the disciple himself or herself is unaware of it. It can also happened that pictures of higher realms can be radiated to the human spirit and these pictures are life-like.

Maybe some day we will follow the spiritual development of Buddha and see how his followers did not understand the experiences he relayed to them and this lack of understanding finally gave rise to the concept of Nirvana.

Again, is it not contradictory to state that  -

  1. The spirit will develop eternaly AND YET -

  2. It will never develop to the level of species of spirits above it?

No, it is not contradictory. A mouse will never become a human being even if it is to live for ever. In a spiritual sense, development does not change a specie rather it continually unfolds the nature of such a species and a journey towards "perfection". Again, although this may again appear contradictory to you, I will also say that the kingdom of God has limits but it can be expanded infinitely. Reflect on why something that has precise limits can be infinitely expanded. As always stay blessed.

How can man himself be blamed when he was never given a chance to be? Right from childhood, before he ever had a chance to know his right from left, his beliefs have already been defined for him via cultural values, religious indoctrinations and programming through secular education? He is already spoilt with false infos on what he is and what he is not, pumped into him almost on daily basis up till the time he comes of age. Of course institutions like the church are responsible.

Hi Jenwitemi. What of those individuals who were subjected to the same "programming" that you are talking about and they still came out as genuine human beings with love in their heart and soul. The omniscience of God gives each individual uncountable opportunities to recognize the Truth irrespective of whether or not they are religious or non religious. Man is the architect of his own enlightenment or ignorance and he can only blame himself if he is indoctrinated. Even if he is indoctrinated, several life opportunities present itself for him to rid himself of indoctrination. That he fails or ignores to use those life circumstances to advance is his fault. There is no human endeavor without charlatans but it will be wrong to accuse the endeavor itself. If you really want to accuse, then look for the charlatans and deal with them. But let it not prevent you from seeing that for every 100 charlatanic pastor, monk etc , there are 1 or 2 genuine pastors or monks or priests who are serving God in Truth and in Spirit. Stay blessed.

Eminence Nwankwo, its been a while! Hope the family and the students are doing good. . .

Hi Deep Sight. Thanks. The family are doing great and the students are working hard.

re you certain that it is correct to say that this ability does not reside within man. I ask this very carefully for the following reasons -

- I was reflecting on this thread today and it seemed to me that reality itself is enshrined, I might say encapsulated, in the consciousness and sentience of living beings: the ultimate reality therefore being encapsulated in the consciousness of GOD. In this it thus seems to me that each being is therefore as a little pot which contains a portion, or a dose of the totality of reality and is conscious and sentient thereby. Once I reflect that each being is a manifestation of reality, which all emanates from God, then I am persuaded that the capacity to influence reality does indeed reside within each being. I feel it is slightly contradictory for you to state that men do not have that power. I feel that it is given by the creator and is obvious on the apprehension of reality that sentient beings have, the development of thought forms, etc.

I am certain that this ability does not reside in man or indeed any other creature but do not take my word for it. Keep on seeking and you will find the answers by yourself. A crude analogy may suffice. This principal neutral power of God can be likened to the rays of the sun while the human spirit is like a mirror. The mirror can absorb this ray of the sun and the mirror can generate light spectrum, heat, reflection etc from the rays of the sun. But the fact that the mirror have the ability of transforming the rays of the sun into different things does not make the mirror the rays of the sun or the sun itself. A human spirit that uses the neutral power of God to bring forms into existence does not see this neutral power for it is still of a gradation higher than the human spirit. Because he does not see the power, it is not difficult to surmise that he believes himself as the origin of the power. The confusion is simply due to assuming or believing that an effect is the cause. Thus, man can use the power of God to create forms, universes, worlds etc but the power is not in the spirit. The spirit has the ability to unlock or gain connection with this power. Herein lies personal responsibility and accountability to God by the human spirit. Therefore, no creature including man can exist without the power of God that vibrates in creation. Mystics and spiritualists across all ages experienced this ability of bringing forms into existence but because they did not see the power that they use, they believed that the power actually came from them and that is the origin of the wrong belief in the divinity of man.

Profound. . .BUT. . .

What is the ultimate reality that a human being may attain. . .

What do you make of the philosophy that - as man's spiritual development is (as i like to put it), a journey of increasing intangibility and purity towrds God - that man would thus, having attained the highest purity and intangibility, end his cycle by returning to be one with the intangible and eternal God.

That philosophy in strict terms is not correct. In general terms, one can say that  with increasing spiritual maturity one journeys towards God but in specific terms, he journeys towards the spiritual kingdom of God. The spiritual kingdom of God is however not God nor does God personally reside in his spiritual kingdom. The ultimate reality for a human spirit is to return to the spiritual kingdom. When he returns to the spiritual kingdom, he continues to develop for ever and ever. Seeing from above the spiritual kingdom of God, there is a limit to which the human spiritual cannot go beyond but this limit is unattainable and the human spirit will never get to that point eternally. Thus there is continuous development even in the spiritual kingdom of God. Man has his origin, not in God but in the kingdom of God and as you correctly perceived, nothing goes beyond its origin. Thus, after attaining the right spiritual maturity, the human spirit will return to the kingdom of God but not to God. The human spirit can only exist in the spiritual kingdom of God but will cease to exist outside and above this spiritual kingdom.

If this is the case. . .would it be correct to state that there are levels of possibilities open to other sentient beings which are not open to the human spirit. . .Just wondering.

There are several gradations of the principal neutral power of God and each specie  in creation draws to a gradation of this power that is homogeneous to its origin. Thus for instances, spiritual beings higher than the human spirit draws from a higher gradation of the power of God and bring out forms that are far higher than what human spirits can produce. But hopefully sometime in the future, we may discuss these secondary happenings. Talking about them presently is premature as there are still several things to be clarified. Stay blessed.

It is not correct to blame the churches or religions for the problems of humanity. The lack of genuine spirituality among most human beings is not due to churches or religions but it is due to man himself. A man who is inwardly alive can still absorb what is true in the churches of today and discard what is untrue. It is for this reason that one will find enlightened human beings within and outside the confines of religions and churches, Indeed for some, the churches or religions can open the path to enlightenment. If men become inwardly alive, then the churches and indeed all human endeavours will bubble with life. In addition, being outside the confines of religions does not in itself make one enlightened and knowing. Most often, we mistake what is new and esoteric for what is spiritually beneficial. Every change is always refreshing albeit temporarily and  it is partly the reason why many find a lot of old and modern esoteric teachings fascinating and attractive. And yet, the substance in these old and new esoteric teachings is not even up to one tenth of what is already present in sacred books of world religions including the bible and the Koran.

Man can draw on the neutral power of God to bring forth forms but this power does not lie with man, rather man has the God given ability to tap into this power of God. An enlightened human being will only use this  power of God to serve the will of God while ignorant people will apply it to serve one or this selfish purpose. But those who channel the power of God into endeavours that are not in accordance with the Will of God will become the victims of there own impure creations and will be destroyed  by there own impure creations either here or hereafter. Thus if one wants to change reality, one has to submit to the laws of God and serve God accordingly. It is this obedience to the divine will that in reciprocity grants one the grace of knowing conviction and with this knowing conviction the human desire of wanting to change reality will cease. Bathed in the pure rays of God, the only reality for such a one is the reality of God and his divine will. A simple, childlike faith in God is what a human being needs and nothing more. With such a childlike faith, the individual will be permitted uncountable experiences which gives him or her absolute conviction in the omnipotence and omniscience of God. Man has enormous potentials and from his standpoint, these potentials are limitless but from the standpoint of a higher specie or spirit, the limitless potential of a human being is indeed limited . Best wishes.

MyJoe:


I can't thank you enough for this.

Hi MyJoe. Thanks for your kind words. Stay blessed.

@mad max
I’d rather enjoy the ride of nice car then discussing it; really if you believe in some article of faith then the ultimate is the works that go with it, no matter what it is; charity like Nwankwo has been pointing out is key, although I differ with him on charity being an action (because you want to get some spiritual good) but a reaction (because you have gotten some spiritual good)

Hi 49cents. I never used the word "charity"in this thread. What I simply admonished is for human beings to live according to the  eternal truth which Jesus embodied in his words "Love God with all your heart and love your neighbour as yourself". Any person or creature capable of doing this has already found his way to the kingdom of God. Genuine Love that I am referring to and of which the son of God spoke about is unconditional and thus a love shown with expectation of a reward whether spiritual or earthly is not genuine love. Thus you do not love because you want to go to heaven or because you do not want to go to hell but you love because your spirit is a reflection of the love of God. Thus you are are hardwired to love by God. The reciprocal action that comes to you as a result of one living in the sense of the laws of God is a manifestation of the will of God and not a fulfillment of ones expectations. To  love simply means an unconditional submission to the will of God. Genuine love is tantamount to uncondtional obedience to the will of God.

It is the will of God that all the laws governing the creations of God should be recognised by the human spirit. It is for this reason that each human spirit has to journey through the various creations of God so that by experiencing in the various creations of God, the laws of God in each plane will become an integral part of the human spirit. Thus, the idea of a mystery within creation is not correct. The laws of God that govern the creations of God, from the spiritual  kingdom of GOD down to the gross materail planes like our physical earth should lie lucidly clear to any human spirit that is alive. Thus even while on earth and in full awareness, one can be granted the grace to survey and experience different planes of creation. This grace given to one by God does not require any training or reading books or spiritual exerises, NDE or OBE . All that one need do is to love God and all creatures of God unconditionally, then the bandage that blocks his outer and inner faculties will fall away. Then the human spirit will  have the grace of counscious drawing from the the power of God and this drawing gives it  access to counscious experiencing in the various creations of God even while on earth. Under such a guidance and protection from God, he or she can survey the enormous dangers that befall those who who of their own accord opened their spirits to worlds and currents which the spirit has not the maturity nor the purity to decern. It is for this reason alone that several internal inconsistency as well as self glorification are the hall mark of essays or testimonies given by spiritualists, occultists, mystics, spirtists or even those that have OBE or NDE experiences. A premature opening of the spirit to other worlds will only expose such a spirit to the world of sham where everthing is possible and impossible at the same time. Every genuine seeker for his own good is advised to stay aware from all endeavour that prematurely opens the soul to the sham worlds of the beyound.  Stay blessed.

M_Nwankwo said something very important: one needs a genuine heart which is open to receiving the truth. Problem is that too many people believe they have the truth already and so are not seeking anything, even if what they parrot around makes no sense at all.

Hi MyJoe. It may appear on the surface that they are not seeking, indeed most of them may not even be counscious of the fact that they are seeking. Even when one already believes that he has the Truth, what he believes or imagines himself to believe is irrelevant to the laws of God that govern the Universe. The laws of God do not return blessing or punishment based on what people believe themselves to be but rather the laws return blessing or punishment based on our innermost thoughts, intuition, words and actions. The laws of God which bear the will of God return to each individual what he has sown to the minutest detail. It is for this reason that no one should worry much about his neigbour for these laws of God will and do reveal with mathematical exactitude where each one stands. Each individual should passionately look at his own experiences and that of his neighbours and he will soon come to the realization that supreme over all is the will of God which manifests in the irrevocable march of events. Hardwired in the laws of God is the mechanism that eliminates evil, and forces each of us to reveal our true nature even when we want to conceal it. Just look around you, a pastor who for decades have hypocritically preached against gays and immorality is suddenly found to be gay and immoral, a monk or celibate priest who have for decades championed absistence from sex is shown to be the father of not one but several kids, a professor who have champoined elimination of exam malpractice in our universities is found to have forged his certificate etc. On the surface it will appear as if these hypocrites have just be found out but the truth is that the will of God compels them to reveal themselves. The same laws also reveal genuine human beings who serve God irrespective of there religious affliations. The mills of the gods grind slowly but they grind exeedinly fine. Thus no matter what people believe, even when they imagine themselves to be God, such a belief will exist until such a time when the rays of the will of God torch them, THEN IT WILL BE CLEAR TO THEM AND OTHERS THAT THEY HAVE FOLLOWED THE WRONG COURSE. As always stay blessed.

Mad_Max:

I got what you're saying but the last post baffled me a little. I don't think the question is about my own love and compassion for others. That's private, and I'm not required to demonstrate or prove anything here. And yes, there are things I hate and will continue to do so until it goes away of its own accord, if ever. I shall always hate evil, be it indocrination or murdering the innocent or war or fraud or deceiving others to enrich yourself. It's not judgement, but I can have feelings about certain things, and I have no one to impress or prove anything to. I am occasionally free to say what I really think. There's no reason why I shouldn't. If you've ever been in bondage you want others out of there and you won't accomplish that by playing to the gallery or keeping mum. But all that is not in play here. There is no agenda on this thread, just a discussion with others of like mind where I can say what I really think, and that is going to continue.

Hi again Mad_Max. I meant well. I just offered an advice albeit unsolicited and nothing more. Stay blessed.

Mad_Max:

Mr Nwankwo, how are you? You know you're right, of course. And there are other things apart from reincarnation. I'd come across reincarnation before and only believed it this year because the evidence was solid. It was taught in the biblical scrolls until some overzealous priests decided it was best if such things were removed. So they removed it and substituted invented doctrines of their own. But if you search the NT it's there, if you know what you're searching for. Reincarnation,as Christ taught it, is not the Buddhist or popular idea of reincarnation. It doesn't happen automatically, and is a little complicated, because there are other worlds in this universe than this one you can have a biological life in. When you're born there you won't remember a planet called 'earth'; your reality will be different. You might even be there wondering if there is any intelligent life in the universe apart from your planet, just as we who are here now wonder the same. It's not the common idea of reincarnation at all, in that there's an incredible range of possibilites, because the works of God's hand are so vast and numerous. And not everyone reincarnates. They may decide to stay as non-physical beings, having had enough of biological life.

To be honest, for me, it's never been a matter of not being ready for the truth, but how solid the evidence is. It simply isn't enough for anyone to tell me 'This is so'. I have to investigate and come to my own conclusions. When the evidence is in and it's corroborated, I simply change my mind. The problem isn't that Christians believe different things. It can hardly be otherwise, given its history. What I can't stand is that many Christians are not looking at all. We're satisfied with so little and stick to what's false, however absurd, because it's what we're used to and we don't want to stray from our comfort zones. It angers me to see people telling others they will spend an eternity in hellfire, when it's false, and worse, they don't care whether it's true or not. They have never cared to go beyond what they've been indoctrinated in. Nothing about God is that simple or that black and white. They were given a brain in their skulls for a reason: to use it.

I understand indoctrintion because I've been indoctrinated. I've said it before and mean it when I say religious indocrination is a mental illness and enervating mental bondage and one of the worst things that could happen to one. Christianity is about little else but indoctrination and having recovered, my hatred for indoctrination and thoughtless religiousity is implacable.

You're right. I should be patient. I'm not, but I try to be, with everyone I actually interact with. I'm still learning and there are Christians and people of other faiths from whom I learn, I'm in touch with as many as possible. To get different views and perpectives. There are many Christian and Buddhists and others who've gone far in their walk with God and have learned incredibly valuable things and I hound them till they spill the beans. But here I feel free to say what's on my mind, what I think, and don't censor it, because there's no reason to. It's like waking up from a dream and seeing things as clear as day. How lost we are, wandering about, thinking we're in light when we're in darkness. How great that darkness is! It is surpassed only by the love and compassion of Christ is for us.

Hi again Mad-Max. Thanks. I am fine. Your last sentence summed up what I was trying to convey to you. Just like the love and compassion Christ had for us inspite of our weaknesses and deficiences, so shall we show compassion and love to our fellow travellers inspite of their weaknesses too. No child learns how to walk without falling several times. But on each fall, the parents should not despair, rather they should lovingly extend a helping hand and soon the child will not only walk but run. When there is love, then there is severity rather than harshness. Besides, we should be only attached to God. If we hate things even bad things like indoctrination, we are attached to it and will one day become a victim of the very same thing we hate. This seems a paradox but I am confident you will understand what I mean. Stay blessed

@Mad_Max
How are you? Your posts are interesting but it may be be helpful if you are a bit sympathetic to those who call themselves "christians". Most human beings are really good. What is lacking in these good people is that they lack the experiences that will make their inner goodness manifest outwardly such that the innerbeing (the spirit) penatrates and controls all non-spiritual clocks of man including the physical body. But only God can give each human being the necessary experience that will transform one from a religionist to a born again child of God. All we as human beings can do is to pray that the will of God comes to life in us and in our fellow men. Each one provided he is honest will sooner or later come to the personal recognition of the Truth. In the course of three years that I have come to know you in this forum, one does not need to be a seer to sense that you have undergone a tremendous transformation. But the spiritual progress that you have made is not because of what anybody told you or preached to you but because you were genuinely seeking and the grace of God permitted you some experiences which brought you closer to the Truth. You may recall that some of the things you accept now, you rejected in its entirety just a year and half ago. I recall that I had several discussions with you on evolution, reincarnation, etc , which at that time you did not accept them. Now you believe in reincarnation, evolution, not because of whatever I or anybody else said but because your spirit was granted the grace of God to percieve to some extent these realities.

The point I am trying to put across is that every genuine seeker will sooner or later come to the recognition of Truth for the omnipotence of God will lead such a one to the Truth when he is ready for it. But when people are not ready for the Truth, then they will not recognise it even if it is shown to them. Thus we need not despair of the world and what is happening with human beings for not a single soul will be lost except if such a soul stubbonly decides to be lost. The omniscience of God will save any soul that has the desire to be saved either here on earth or in the other non-physical realms of God. The son of God Jesus promised that the will of God will be done on earth as it is in heaven and that promise or rather prophecy will come to fufilment sooner than most believers imagine. Stay blessed.

Whenever hatred, slander or gossip arise in ones heart for those who have a different belief or a different perception of the same belief, then such individuals who practice hate or slander or gossip are not of God but of the devil even if they appear in flowing white garment. A spiritual belief that is pure and in in accordance with the will of God does not produce human beings who desire to harm their neighbour either in body or in the soul. Indeed a crime commited against the soul such as bearing false witness, undermining the reputation of your neighbour or slander is more heinious than a crime against the physical body.  It is common throughout history and even in the present time that whenever fanaticism comes in contact with endeavours that will threaten its own existence, it quickly attacks such an endevour by the only tools known to Evil, slander, gossip and even physical violence. Not long ago, individuals who were blessed with the ability to know things that the average man cannot were labelled as witches and murdered. Not also long ago, individuals whose teachings or views are opposed to the teachings of the existing world religions were labelled as Jewish or pro-jewish and prosecuted with enmity. Even Jesus, the son of God was not immune from this cancerous fanaticism for when the religious leaders saw him as a threat, they first tried to discredit him by labelling him as unlettered, the son of a Capenter. When that did not work, Jesus was labelled as a devil and when that failed, fanaticism and hatred drove these people to  violence culminating in the murder of the physical body of the son of God.  

The way to heaven lies in the fufilment of the will of God and this fufillmenrt of the will of God is inseparable from unconditional Love for God and his creations including fellow human beings. It is spiritual poverty that makes people think that they can one day enter the kingdom of God with national colours and anthems or with religious tags and insignia. Their is no race, religion, nationality, etc in the kingdom of God. There is only the will of God. Best wishes.

@Deepsight,

How are you? Your thread is very interesting. Hopefully, I will offer my perception as the thread develops. In the meantime, the following questions may be helpful to you as you articulate your perceptions
1. What is matter?
2. What is Energy?
3. Is energy contained in matter?
4. Can there be matter without energy?
5. Can energy exist without matter?
6. When it is said that energy is transformed from one form to the other, what is it that constitutes these forms?
7. What is counsciousness?
8. What is the relationship between energy and gravity?
9. Is the Sun counscious or is there a Counsciousness that uses the Sun as its cloack?
10. Are there counsciousness in a rock, a brain cell, a tree or a spematozoa? Are there energy in a rock, a brain cell, a tree or a spermatoza?
Stay blessed.

sarmy:

@m_nwankwo, thanks for the additional information. I will like to clarify the following.

1. From your believe, is God a spirit person and having eyes, legs, hands, etc or an enegy source like sun or what? (I personally obseved that most people that claimed to have died and came back to life or NDE's no one has ever seen God, some may claim to have see heaven or met Jesus but not God, so is God a person or energy source)

sarmy:


I was asking m_nwankwo if (from his perception) God is:-

1. A person with legs, hands, eyes, head, etc and siting on the throne somewhere

2. An energy source with no specific shape/size, or can take any shape he likes

3. Spiritual force, light or life living inside of us and has no specific shape size or place of abode

4. May be he's actually the universe like you said.

5. Where is his abode, is he ouside of this physical universe, or in a parallel invisible universe.

Hi Sarmy. Thanks for your questions and I address them as follows. Any attempt to give form to God will fail since God has no form and thus unsubstantiate. In a similar vain, it is also wrong to describe God as formeless since God stands above and outside the concepts of forms and no forms. It is the inadequency of our language that compel us to use concepts to describe God who is above and outside all concepts. Creatures should and must experience the power of God but to make a picture of God, whether physical or non physical is idolatory. Thus the most acurate description will be to say that God is God. It is for this reason that I described God as the Primordial Light or PrimordiaL Energy or Primordial Power or Primordial Force. What this means is that God is the origin and source of all energy, all power , all light or all force irrespective of the multifarious gradations of this power, force, light or energy. The light, power, energy or force that comes or emanates from God can have form or be formeless but God himself lies outside the concepts of form and formless. Thus God is unsubstantiate but his emanations or radiations or energy is substantiate, that is, the radiations of God can be reproduced in a picture. Thus the radiations of God have forms and I am confident that you will understand that even formlessness is a form. Thus even the unformed radiations of God has form . The abilityto percieve a form depends on the origin of a creature and his attendant level of spiritual development. But this will be a digression if I am to go into detail in this.

Thus there is God and his radiations. Everthing outside of God has its orgin in the radiations of God irrespective of whether it is within and outside of creation. God is not in creation but outside and above all creations, but his power or emanations lies in creation, indeed creation arose out of his radiations or emanations. Thus God is not in his creations or to put it more correctly, God is not in his radiations. Thus no radiation of God even if such a radiation is a divine being can see God. But since the power of God vibrates in creation and outside of creation, then any creature can connect to God by the process of radiation . Human beings uncounsciously or counsciously gain this connection through genuine prayer or by simply living in the sense of the laws of God.

The only way God can be in creation is by temporarily enveloping a very small part of Himself with his radiations. This proceess is known as incarnation, an event that once happened with the incarnation of Jesus Christ. The radiations become clocks or envelopes of the unsustantiate God. That was how it was when Jesus entered creation and lastly the earth. But after dropping all the radiation clocks, first the physical body and lastly the divine body, the unsubstantiate small part of God the Father that is Jesus Christ was drawn back to God the Father, the Primordial Light.

Thus Jesus Christ is no more in creation but outside and above creations as well as outside and above the eternal divine worlds. Jesus Christ, the son of God is in God the Father. Thus visions or revelations claiming to be from Jesus Christ are laughable for one who is permitted personal experience into these things. Even, a radiated picture of a primordial being will render the human spirit uncounscious, how much less an approach by a son of God. Every vision, revelation, genuine NDE experience, miracles and similar things can very easily be explained in the light of the laws of God but since these visionaries, seers or prophets or mystics imagine that they know, it is best to leave them at there own creations. Supreme over all else is the will of God which manifests in the irrevocable march of events. And this irrevocable march of events bearing the will of God will show which creature, individual , nations or groups have followed the right course.

sarmy:

@m_nwankwo, thanks for the additional information. I will like to clarify the following.

I'm interested in that process if you can share more.

3. By the way, are you a xtain, muslim, or what?

Thanks

As per the origin of the spirit germ and the process of its decent into the world of matter, Justcool has dealt with it. More importantly, the entire process of creation is descrined in the Grail Message and I refer you to that work. If however you still have some questions, I will be pleased to offer my perception.


I do not belong to any religion. I adhere to the teachings of the Grail Message. Stay blessed.

Jenwitemi:

^^^^ Nwankwo, do you know what radiations mean? You say these socalled "radiations of God" are not part of God, but yet they are radiations emanating from God. Haven't you just contradicted yourself right there? Are the radiations of the sun not part of the sun? Just because the sun's radiations are projected outwards and far from the sun does not make them less integral part of the sun.

Are these radiations of God separate entities? Are you saying that these "radiations" are uncreated, unconscious, separate entities from God that yearn for existence? Do you realize how convoluted and self-contradictory that idea is? It is a ludicrously convoluted hypothetical gymnastics. It just doesn't work. While it is a creative concept, but it just does not work. I think you will need to either rework your current model or create a new one.

Hi again. I do know what radiations mean and I see no contradiction in what I have stated. But it is entirely your right to see contradiction and that is ok.  If the sun and its rays  is not a good analogy for you, then consider this. The neurones of the human brain continuously produce brain waves as electrical impulses which can be measured with an EEG. Are the brain waves the same and inseparable from the brain. Is the brain dependent on the brain waves or can the brain waves produce or transform into a brain? The only way to show that the brain waves and the neurones,  the stars and its radiations are one and the same thing is for you to provide just one evidence where the ray of the sun became a star or where an electrical impulse captured with an EEG transformed into a neuron.

Jenwitemi:

The clay and the Potter, these are two separate entities(if i may use that word). A clay does not emanate from a potter, it is completely separate from him, existing alongside him or her. So clays don't yearn for existence because they already exist and are inanimate, and neither do clays yearn to be formed into something. That yearning comes from the potter him/herself out of one need or the other. No, it does not work, but nice try, though.

Again, if the clay and the Potter does not convey to you the picture I am trying to paint, then consider this. Craig Venter has recently "created" a bacterium that is self replicating and not inanimate. I ask you if Craig Venter and his synthetic bacteria are one and the same or that the synthetic bacteria is a part of Craig Venter. Can the synthetic bacterium transform into Craig Venter? Can Craig venter still be in existence if he introduces a sucide gene into his synthetic bacteria that destroy the synthetic organism? Stay blessed.

Jenwitemi:

Unformed radiations of God? I have a serious problem with this theory, sir. Can you shed more light to these unformed radiations. Were they part of God, or were they separate entities? Were they in existence or were they not?

Personally, i do not buy this "unformed radiations" concept because it would mean that before creation of individual humans, they were already in existence as individual "radiations" of God (whatever that means) that can individually and independently desire for existence. I do not buy that at all.

In my view, the only life form that can desire for existence is the only thing in existence and that is the creative life force itself, the creator. It's desire for bring one form of existence or the other to manifest is the only driving factor that brings everything into existence.
If God does not need it's creations, why create them in the first place? And i won't accept the "unformed radiations" hypothesis as an argument. I am sorry, that sounds rather dubious to me.

Hi Jenwitemi. I have in my answer to Sarmy explained what I meant by unformed radiations of God. The radiations of God whether formed or unformed are not part of God nor do they reside in God. They are emanations from God, just like stellar radiations are emanation from the sun but not the sun. When a radiation of God has not taken on a conformation, the unformed radiation is in existence but the form or entity that will emerge from it either instantaneously or through development is not in existence. You can observe a crude form of this even in our physical universe. In crude oil for example lies elements that through the process of refining will give rise to petrol, disel, aviation fuel etc. But you cannot say that crude oil is aviation fuel or petrol and neither can you say that because kerosene comes from Crude oil , that it is already millions of years old just like crude oil. It is the process of refining, analogous to creation that transforms crude oil into its various componets. This remains a crude picture meant to convey a remote sensing of the actual process of creating. For instance while refining of crude oil will finally lead to the depletion of crude oil, the radiations of God are inexhaustible no matter the conformations that emerge from it.

There are mulifarious gradations of the unformed radiations of God. The unformed radiations of God that existed before creation  are divine unformed radiations. The unformed spiritual radiations from which the spirit germs ermerged or precipitated from were not in existence before creation. The unformed spiritual radiations of God from which the human spiritual developed from came into existence only after the first or primordial creation.

God created out of love for his radiations and in answer to the uncounscious urge for existence that is hardwired in his radiations.  In these beautiful creations, each and every unformed radiation of God has the possibility to instantaneously emerge as a conformation or develop from a seed to a conformation. Every creature of God, no matter how blessed can counsciously exist only within creation.  Should God decide to limit his radiations to the way it was before creation, then the entire creation and all the creatures will cease to exist.

I see your point but do not agree with it. There is a relationship between the creator and his creation but that realtionship is not tantamount to inseparability. A Potter and the clay in his hands are not inseparable. The Potter can mould the clay to any form he so desires, pot, plates, blocks, even buildings and yet these are conformations of the clay and not conformations of the Potter. If the forms, pot, plates, buildings etc decays or disintegrates, they will return back to clay and not the Potter. Thus even if a conformation of the radiation of God is disintegrated, then it reverts back to unformed radiation of God. There is no transformation that will transform the stellar radiations into the sun. Similarly, no amount of transformation or development can turn a creature into the creator or parts of the creator. Stay blessed.

@Sarmy and Jenwitemi,

I will address your comments and questions over the weekend. My apologies for not replying soonest. Stay blessed.

@Justcool,

Hi. Thanks for your kind words. Stay blessed.

@ Jenwitemi. Hi, my answer to Sarmy is relevant to some of the questions you raised in your last post. Hopefully tommorrow, I will find time to address some of the specific questions/comments in your last post. Stay blessed.

sarmy:

Please explain, how can the uncouncious be longing for existence, where was a man before creation, are you saying we were all longing to exist here on earth, before birth as well. How?

sarmy:

I agree with you, how can the uncreated be [b]longing [/b]to exist from an unconcious state.

Hi Sarmy. Thanks for your response. The questions you raised are pertinent and I will attempt to address them as follows. God is the Primordial Life or the Primordial Light or the Primordial Power. In other words only God is alive and everything else that is alive derived their "life" from God. One can also say that God is the Primordial source of Energy. A natural consequence of Primordial Life, Light, Power or Primordial Energy is that it radiates or produces emanations. Thus, there is only God and his emanations or radiations. The divine radiations of God is everthing else outside of the unsubstantiate Primordial Source. A crude analogy will be to use the sun and its stellar radiations. The stellar radiations are produced or emanate from the sun but they are not the sun itself.

Now, this divine radiations of God contain all the building blocks of what ever was, is and will take on form. Now, the ability to take on form is dependent on the intrinsic strength of any radiation of God to withstand the enormous pressure or force field that is a consequnce of the Primordial Energy. Now the strongest of all these radiations were able to take on form and became divine confirmations of the radiation of God. Now when everthing that can withstand this force field from God has taken on form, there remained residues of these divine radiations which can not form themselves because they are not strong to withstand the  force fields in the "proximity" of God. These residues cannot form  but they do have the intrinsic drive or urge or longing for existence. These residues of the divine radiations are hardwired to strive from uncounsciousness to counsciousness and then to self counsciousness.

Just like life on earth is possible only billions of light years from our sun, so is it that these uncounscious residues of divine radiations can only take on form at cosmic distances from God. It is in aswer to this hardwired uncounscious urge for existence that God through an act of his will brought creation into existence. It is only in creation will these residues  be able to take on form instantaneously or through development. Now the first cooling off of these residues constitute the first creation or what is refered to as Primordial creation. The Primordial creation is the direct creation of God and it can be described as an image or a reflection of the divine worlds. A cooling off of the unformed residues of the primordial creation gave rise to spiritual creation. The spiritual creation is again an image or reflection of the primordial creation. At the last plane of the spiritual creation, there remained some spirtual radiations which can not take on form in the spirtual instantaneously or by development. To these belong the human spirt germs or seeds. Again just like a seed can only develop into a plant if it sown in a fertile soil, the only possiblity for the human spirit seeds or germs to develop and form is to be expelled from the heaven or the kingdom of God into the world of matter. The world of matter both visible and invinsible was created by servants of God under the command of God so that the human spirit seeds can have the possibility of development from an uncounscious seed to the likeness of the images of God.


Just like sparks fly off from an amber or bubbles sprout from a heated water at a precise temperature, so do spirit germs constantaly get ejected from the last plane of the spirtual into the world of matter. Germs whose drive or longing has not ripened, something analogous to reaching a specific temperature remain as spirt germs in heaven, the kingdom of God. Thus strange as it may sound, we were created because we uncounsciously sent out a petition to God, not in words but by the nature of the emanations that comes from the uncouscious residues. It is in the various planes of the world of matter that they have the opportunity to transform from an uncounscious spirit seed into a personality with a human spiritual form. The step by step process of how the spirt germ sinks into the world of matter, how it is cloaked in the various planes and how finally it recieves a physical cloak or body in the womb of a  woman can be explained to the minutest detail but that may not be necessary now and probably will cause confusion.

Thus to answer your question, the human spirit was not in existence before creation. He developed from a spirt germ and spirt germs came into existence only at the last plane of the spiritual world. Human spirts who developed their self counsciousness according to the will of God will return back to the kingdom of God as a self counscious human spirit. Those who developed their self counsciousness in contradiction to the will of God will loose this self counsciousness, and revert back to spirit germs, a process refered to as spirtual death or effacement from the book of life. If you also follow my explanations above, you will decipher that man was in existence before he was born on earth for the first time and that happened around 1.8 million years ago. All human beings who are presently on earth have been here atleast seven times in various earthly incarnations. There are other parts of the the world of matter where fresh huuman spirit germs go for their development. Our earth has already passed its middle cycle and that makes it impossible for new spirit germs from heaven to incarnate here. There are other earth-like planets in other physical universes where fresh human spirits are incarnated. But it is not the purpose of this discussion to give detailed insight into this and I will leave it. Besides, what is happening in other universes have no spiritual benefit to us leaving in our own physical universe. Someday, when a human spirt has developed in the sense of the laws of God, the gates of heaven will open up for him, and from such a hight, he or she can then survey, the incomprehensible magnitude of creations of God below the spiritual creation. He will also percieve inwardly and through higher spiritual guides the vastness of creations above the spiritual creation, and how small he is in comparison to what is above him. His guides may permit him a radiated picture of a primordial being and when he sees that just one primordial beign can hold our entire milky way galaxy in the palm of his hands , then his place in creation will become clearer. The claim by men that are God or can develop into God or are parts of God cannot be taken seriously by one who really knows.

Now I stated that the drive or urge for existencce is hardwired in the spirit seed. You can even in physical enviroment see examples of inherent drive or urge or desire in an uncounscious thing. A mango seed for instance is uncounscious but is hardwired intrinsically to become a mango tree once the appropriate environmet is given. It intrinsically follows the process of germination, growth and fructification without being counscious of it. A human zygote for example is uncounscious but the genetic program it inherited from its parents propels it through the various stages of embryogenesis, birth, cry etc. If you are married, I will advise you to be around when your wife will deliver and watch closely, the instinctive actions of a new born including the instinctive seeking for the mothers n.ipp.le, then certain things may become clear. Stay blessed.

Jenwitemi:

your point is well taken, even though i do not agree with it. Ability and the expression of it, i don't see any separation between the two. They are one and the same unit. One cannot be without the other. An ability has to be expressed or it will not be known to exist even if it is there. Unexpressed ability remains only a mere potential until it is made manifest via expression for all to see.
Yes, but, you are talking about an already expressed ability that has been destroyed physically, no? But such ability will still live on in the memories of sentient beings who have enjoyed and acknowledged that very ability. Meaning that the expressed ability of Achebe would still exist and live on in people's mind long after the expressions have been physically destroyed simply because it has been expressed through those destroyed works.

Achebe's contemporaries would still know that Achebe can write after his works have been destroyed, but if his works are not recreated quickly and they are neglected for generations, his ability would seize to exist together with the expressions, because they would have been forgotten by the new generation of sentient beings, and he being still alive or dead would have made little or no difference.

Conclusion, an unexpressed ability exists only as mere potential until it is brought to reality via physical expression. A cat might possess the ability to sing and write poems, but until that ability is physically expressed and witnessed, that ability does not exist. It will remain just a mere, unprovable, unobservable potential. IMHO.

Hi again. You have to certain extent understood what I am trying to convey. I do not see the painter and his paintings, the author and his books, the inventor and his inventions as one and the same thing. The building blocks for Achebes novels have been existence, the assemblling of these building blocks to form a book has be in existence in non-physical worlds, even before Achebe present incarnation on earth. The physical book is just the physical manifestation or expression of what Achebe has formed in non physical spheres of existence. All the non-physical forms that Achebe became a medium for channeling them into physical manifestation are a consequence of the creative talent in Achebe. Thus even before Achebe was born on earth, he has already authored his novels, or to put it more correctly, he has drawn from the creative power of God to give form to his creative ability. Stay blessed.

Jenwitemi:

The actor's "acting" is his created "work of art". As a result, his acting ability represents his "creative" ability.

Hi Jenwitemi. Thanks for your response. My point is that an ability and an expression of an ability are not one and the same thing. An expression or conformation is an effect of an ability but not the ability itself. If for example, the novels of Chinua Achebe are destroyed, the ability to be an author remains with Chinua Achebe. He can decide to produce more novels in future and can also decide not to. I also dare say that Chinua Achebe is already an author even before he wrote his first novel "Things fall Apart". Anyone who has been blessed to engage in creative activities either in science or in arts may understand why I say that Achebe is already an author even before his first novel. Stay blessed.

sarmy:

Hi m_nwankwo, thanks for the submission. However, God's ability to create will not have allowed him to be without creating so He had to create and the reason he created us.

Would you call a man an Actor if he cannot act when he has every opportunity to act?

A man who is not married will not be recognised as a husband but a bachelor no matter the ability in him, he needs to marry first

In this case, we are like the wife and He's like the busband, He married us by creating us and the name "God that created us" came into being

Thanks Sarmy. If an actor has the ability to act, then he is an actor whether or not he produces a work of art.  The main point is that such a one is capable of acting and he will produce a work of art if he wants and willnot if he does not want. Thus whether or not he produces a work of art depends on if he wills so. Now coming to God, it lies in his omnipotence to decide to create or not to create. In the radiations of God lies all that is necessary for creations to spring forth. But these radiations of God cannot take on form and become creations except God wills so. Husband and wife is a relationship and not an ability. Creation is a very big word. Awareness that God created us is not the same as God created us. Thus, until we came into existence, we are just an unformed radiation of God but it takes an act of will of God to give conformation to these unformed radiations, hence our coming into being. Besides there are several other creations of God that came into existence before us. Thus even at the time we did not exist, other higher beings existed and these higher beings were created by God. God does not need his creations but his creations is absolutely dependent on God. It is the uncounscious longing for existence in these radiations of God that GOD answered to by bringing all creations into existence. It is the incomprehensible living love that is in God that permitted the miracle of creation. Stay blessed.

Deep Sight:

^^^ Brilliant as always. Accepted.

Thanks for your kind words. Stay blessed.