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Techguy96:
You are not really getting the point, alot of Nigerians going into tech now already have a degree or at least an hnd but not related to CS.
Let's say someone has a degree in economics or chemical engineering, and such person decided to enter the tech industry let's say as a web or app developer , do u advice such person to go back to school to learn study Cs or learn from online resources available.

I personally know someone earning 6 figure working for a tech company in Lagos as a frontend developer, the dude studied electrical electronics engineering not CS. Even after studying CS in school, one still need these online resources to sharpen his/her skills because I don't think anyone will teach u react or nodejs in school.

You must have mixed my point. What I am saying is have a Degree in related field. From the perspective of a hiring company, been able to achieve a degree signals the ability to listen to directions and commit to four years of work. It ia not just the degree, but the degree shows a lot about an individual. Moreover, people with college or post-baccalaureate degrees tend to earn much more than those without one.

"Even companies like Apple that have been vocal about non-traditional education are more likely to hire someone that has both a college degree and technical training, according to Michael Horowitz, president of TCS Education System.

By the way, don't say alot of Nigerians going into I.T already have a degree, no they don't, they only want to go in because of the money. Which is fine, but ask them what problem are they trying to solve, and you will hear them stammering......

I understand your point bro...... The I.T sector is fast becoming a full professional position like Nursing, and Medicine. Now, will you hire a Mathematics graduate for a Nursing position?

That is why you see so many Nigerians upon arriving in the U.S, they swtich from Geography to Nursing by quickly completing a CNA course to get Nursing certificates, some of them go back to school to start Nursing a fresh.

Xolander:
This army of delusionaries must be stopped from corrupting young minds, they come on Nairaland in the middle of a mid-life crisis to tell a 19 year old to learn "programming" from YouTube instead of getting a a degree in Computer science or Engineering.

If you want to be a real programmer, get a degree in any of:

- Computer Science
- Computer Engineering
- Software Engineering
- Mathematics
- Information Technology
- Information Systems etc

It is highly recommended to get a relevant IT degree and consolidate your knowledge by learning more on YouTube and other MOOCs than to have an irrelevant degree and do the same.

TLDR: Whatever you do, get a degree while you can, it's better to have a degree and not need it than to need a degree and not have it, do not be deceived.

You have said it all, and this is the best advise for anyone going into the I.T field.... They have never left Nigeria, they have never being in any meeting where candidate choice are deliberated, they have never been to any recruiter fairs, forums or groups, they have never being in any meetings with VP of Tech or CTO to discuss candidate choice and requirements, but they wabt to tell US what the requirements are.


Most companies in the U.S requires a Bachelors degree for I.T roles, even the entry level roles, that is the requirement, I cannot change that. But they think they have more statistics than I do..... Bunch of illiterates.

Xolander:
What's the shut up about? This is a forum for public opinion, simply state your own side of the story. Use your dropout status to become a VP or CTO of a tech company on the Fortune 500 list.

Go to IBM and become a Senior Data Analyst as a dropout. Go to an Interview with a first class graduate in Software Engineering or Computer science and see who the recruiter will pick.

We are talking Facebook, Amazon, Apple, Netflix and Google, you're talking yahoo boys? Who gives a flying fowl about your multimillion salary offer?

Omg.... I didn't know we have brains like you on this forum. Just imagine the horrible and complicated e-diots I have been talking to all day.

My point to their blocked brains is this. A degree gives an edge. If I have three candidates, with same knowledge and experience, I am most likely to go with the one with a degree.

Also, if for example, a reputable company gives me a requirement to get candidates with a Bachelors degree, am I supposed to send them candidates without a degree
? If I do that, then I am tagged unqualified, therefore I am likely to lose that contract.

Thank you for your wealth of experience jara.... Many E-diots on this forum. The present C.E.O of Google has an MBA.
The present C.E.O of Amazon has a Bachelors degree from Havard, and MBA from Havard.

But this dropout is talking gibberish....

GrantIkenna:
Am trying to give you a glimpse of juicy offers i have turned down, even though i have no degree. I feel pity for the firms that employ your services, you lack foresight and thats why you cannot tell diamonds and stones apart. Your style of reasoning is obsolete in tech hiring. Go to weworkremotely.com and get educated bro.

I pity you for even coming to my face to discuss about how much scammers are offering your dead beat brain.....

You clearly did not understand my post, unfortunately, I can only explain it to you, I can't help you understand it.

I have hired some of the best brains in the U.S, some of them are presently working with fortune 500 companies. By the way, my clients are more than satisfied with my job, I just turned down over 12 contracts due to having more than enough projects right now.

Goodbye.....

GrantIkenna:
2 million base salary plus a percentage on every successful scam, you just have to write tools and man their IT post, and to you thats delusion? Is like you're sick in the head.

I don't discuss or converse with scammers and their workers....... I am way above that. And as for your 2 million..... Enjoy it. I don't live in Nigeria, so that 2 mil whatever is not enticing or meaningful to me.

You are even boosting of working for thieves and been a part of the evil syndicate.... Shame on this sick headed idiot that you are.

You are the major reason why genuine freelancers in your country can't get a job remotely. Shame on your ignorance.


Goodbye mr scammer.

GrantIkenna:
Oga shutup abeg. Am a university dropout and i cannot remember how many jobs, including working for yahoo boys with multimillion salaries, i have turned down.
In the programming world, as long as you solve your employer's/clients problems, degrees are irrelevant. No dey yarn dust for here.

Yahoo boys, I stopped reading when I saw yahoo boys. Stick to your delusion bro...... Lol. GTFO.

Stephen0mozzy:
Sir, would you say UI/UX is a good path? Also how readily available are recruitment for this skill set please.

I'm considering venturing into the field by next month

Excellent path.... Please ride on.

It was ranked the top 5 skills by LinkedIn in 2020. The core concentrations to focus more on are UX designer, UX researcher, and UX strategist.

FanOfMyself:
I decided to reply you because you sounded a bit civil in your criticism unlike the other critics.
Let me start with the very beginning of my journey to become a professional software developer. I was an undergraduate degree student in the only federal university of technology in the entire South East and I was in my second year (2013). I approached one of my fellow student in the same department like mine (computer science) and I told him that I wanted to learn web development because he has earlier informed us that he has the skills and will teach any one who's interested for a fee, I enrolled and he taught me the very basic s of html, css, and javascript. But it was very clear that I can't even get a job with what I have learnt from this course mate of mine. But it was a very good eye opener and I started learning on my own via YouTube and W3C. Fast forward to 2016 when I finished and went for nysc, I realized that despite all the learning I have done, I am not yet confident enough to start applying for jobs because I know that I am still missing some vital knowledge and skills set. The thing with learning on YouTube is that it might not give you the "streamlined" and "all in one" course that will fast track your growth in web development. If you are already experienced, then you can easily search for a particular topic/feature in a programming language on YouTube and you will be fine. But if you are a novice, you "can" easily be overwhelmed learning on YouTube. Remember some YouTubers are only after the views and not about "teaching" you the subject matter. This is why I resorted to buying courses online from platforms like Udemy, LinkedIn learning and from individual websites like codewithmosh.com, Vue Mastery etc.
These courses helped me get my first job because
(1.) The creators where detailed enough in the subject matter that I had a firm understanding on these topicals after taking the courses. I'm talking about 30 hours video courses with tons of real life projects.
(2.) The courses were directional and streamlined focusing on ALL I needed to know.
(3.) This might not be a strong point, but the project I used to wow my first employer was built with while I was taking a full stack web development from udemy, in fact, it was the instructors project, I just coded along.

Now to end this, let me inform you that some YouTubers also have their personal website where they sell courses and have people subscribe to on monthly basis or yearly basis. Now, do you think they will put the same contents on their paid courses on their free YouTube channels.

Lastly, what I am selling are the same courses I bought online but I was able to find a way to download it offline (I understand that it might be theft sha).
If you factor in the costs of downloading these courses and the costs of purchasing them, you will see that it is worth it.
I'm sorry for the long post.

Thank you for sharing this amazing information. If you read through my post, you will notice that was what I was trying to communicate. Some of them want to be a certified Software developers in weeks...... I am proud of the steps you have taken so far, and I wish you success in your endeavours......

Keep grinding buddy.

noob03saibot:
bro! When I see am, fear catch me. I come dey think say I dey very dull, if person fit master am within one month.

Please disregard those illiterates here. How can you learn that in 1 month?

I will like to enlighten those who are young. If your dream is to be in the I.T sector, and you have the opportunity to have your Bachelors degree in any computer related field, please do so and disregard those who are are saying degrees are not important. Your degree will give you an edge over others.

Get certifications and project experience where necessary.

Here is a screenshot of a job by Microsoft..... Don't listen to this illiterates. Even though some of the jobs might state "Bachelors degree required, however experience in related field are accepted". Trust me, they will pick someone who has same experience with you, however, if the person has a degree, he/she is most likely to be chosen.

If you're older, get the necessary certifications while you're self learning, and do some projects. Do not listen to the illiterates here.

The present CEO of Google have got an MBA. Don't let this illiterates deceive you.

Xpol:
Please must it be a Computer Science degree? What of some with BSc in Information Technology

That is perfect.

Tadeknkeepcalm:
This idiot went to screenshot the meaning of higher schoolers here sha.

You've not only proven that you do not know what higher education means but that your reading comprehension skills is not to zero.

So please go back to my initial comment, read it a number of times again. Call a friend of yours who is at least a tad bit smarter than you're, try to break the comment sentence by sentence, then word for word and hopefully you get it this time.




See the dumbass they put in charge of recruiting people.

.... I sent it to you to read because I know you are brain dead. I don't know who you're, but I am sure you are dumb. Listen, I have done several projects for multinational companies that all you can do is to dream to be a part of. My present project is with a fortune 500 company, and it took 3 major interviews to nail the contract. Trust me, you won't even be shortlisted for the position let alone get an opportunity for an interview.

I know you are brain dead, and I will not waste my time with you.


Good bye felicia.....

Tadeknkeepcalm:

Who is the illiterate now?
Is higher education the same thing as high school?
LMAO. The arrogant ones are always the ignorant ones.

I've said it before. Many of this HR guys or recruiters aren't half as qualified as the people they interview.


Dumbass illiterate

LMAO...In your first sentence, you wrote "High Schoolers" which means High school students. You can see you are a complete illiterate. Now I see why you couldn't comprehend my first post.

You better go back to school and stop disgracing your family here..... So arrogant that you couldn't even read what you wrote. For your information, I have attached the meaning of the high schooler you wrote earlier.

You started your first sentence with, and I quote "Continue. So many American high schoolers who have no higher education cert but are working fine in companies" - Literally, you just said so many American high school students without higher education cert...........You can see you are brain dead.....

yunqdady:
So I can't get a job in cyber security without a degree in CS ? My degree is in nursing

Why not, but just build on your nursing with more certifications. The point I am making is simple. I.T roles are fast becoming professional positions.

Most companies have noticed that a lot of people are coming into the I.T sector claiming to be what they are not, just because of the money. Hence the change in requirements.

Will you hire someone with a degree in mathematics for a Nursing position? No. However, with a certification in CNA, that makes the candidate more suited for the role.

Tadeknkeepcalm:
Continue. So many American high schoolers who have no higher education cert but are working fine in companies.
When your black brothers are trying to work against a system stacked against them, your inferiority complex and privilege still makes you a barrier to their efforts.
Later you will ask why Africa remains where it is today. But we thank God that for every one individual like yourself with such shallow reasoning, a few more with more refined thought process rise.


Mr. Recruiter, have a nice day.

Mr. Illiterate, I am not the cause of your frustration. I can explain it to you, but I can't help you understand it. No high school education, but are working as what in which company? Lol. To work in Chic Fill A, or at Walmart, you need high school cert. Here you are expecting a multinational company to employ someone without a high school cert. For a huge position. You must be a big dreamer. Go online and apply for a top position at Microsoft or IBM without a high school cert. Illiterate.what has inferiority complex has to do with facts and requirements

Get a life dulls

Techguy96:
Not entirely true sha, most tech company pays according to work experience not According to degree or certificate but I get ur point.

Your qualification matters, I am a Senior recuiter with several clients around the world. Qualifications are essential in salary negotiations, very important aspect of it. Yes, years of experience is important, but a masters degree with 3 years experience, and a 4 years experience with no degree, trust me, the salary of the masters degree candidate will be higher. Do you realise that in the U.S,your degree involves practical experience and Intern which serves as experience?

GoodBoi1:
Degrees are good but they are NOT REQUIRED to land a good developer job. There is still room for those without degrees. And even without degrees learning is constant in this field. Talking about earning peanut everyone has to start from somewhere. It might be be peanut abroad but it is a good pay based on Nigerian standards. People can start without without degrees and get one later on to increase their options

You are missing my point, did you not read where I wrote that people can start with YouTube, but should ensure tbey get certifications along the way

What I am saying is, to increase your chances and earnings get the necessary certifications and degree.


If I have three good candidates in front of me, and after interview they all scored 92%

Candidate A: 4 years experience, good character, knows the job, has a masters degree.

Candidate B: 4 years experience, good character, knows the job, has a bachelors degree.

Candidate C: 4 years experience, good character, knows the job, no degree.

All things being equal. Who do you think I will hire?? Candidate A of cause. Even if I am going to hire candidate C, I am going to pay way lower. By the way, if a client requires someone with a degree, certainly, I am not going to consider candidate C. That is the point I am making.

GoodBoi1:
Maybe there is no way you will hire but I know several persons that did not study computer science but are doing well as developers, even working for foreign firms and earning millions per month. The world has changed, university no longer has monopoly of knowledge. No one uses Youtube alone, there are a lot of solid online resources that even those that have computer science degree still use on the job. What matters for most jobs is if you have the skills, experience and can show that you can add value to the company.

Lol..... I hire at least 20 - 30 candidates every month. I can share my LinkedIn and ATS with you to see my job posting and hiring.

Those people you mentioned are based in Nigeria, Iam saying, nobody wants to hire a U.S based programmer without a B.sc. By the way, the millions you think they are earning is peanuts to those I hire with Masters degree. Take my word for it.

I am not here to argue, I am stating facts. I belong to several U.S based recruiters groups and forums, nobody is looking for a Developer without a degree in the U.S.

Go and kook at any U.S job post online. 93% requires a Bachelors degree except handymans job.

I keep laughing when people say the word is changing and degree's are no longer needed. I can bet on it, 95% of Indian developers in the U.S have at least a Bachelors degree, and a large percent have a masters degree. That is why they have an edge over other nationals. They are gurus but still acquiring more knowledge. Sit there and think degrees are outdated when millions around the globe are pursuing degrees daily.

I am presently hiring for Executive Assistant to a CEO, U.S based candidates, and we need someone with a Bachelors degree. I will not submit a candidate without a Bachelors degree, and I can tell you, no recruiter will do that either. Once a client sends you a candidate requirement, you have to stick to it......... Degrees are highly rated anywhere.

iconnecta:
I have Msc Comp.Sci.
17+ years Programming experience(PHP OOP developer/expert level and i build code libraries, JAVA,SQL DB and so much more). i need high pay Job in US.
just a Full stack Programmer.
my need: i want to escape from Naija either via PHD or JOB employ. either way na still way

07030119863

Hi, the problem is that most U.S employers are demanding for U.S based candidates only. I have tons of candidates who are on H1-B visa, unfortunately, most employers are not ready to go through the process now. Especially with the Covid.

Nevertheless, don't relent....

JIREN01:
You mean you learnt HTML CSS and Java SCR via self-study and became good at it in just a month? If so, please how long did you spend studying daily?

Lol.... Don't mind this developer wannabes. Give them a project that should not take more than a month, and they will finish in 9 months time. Even the Asian and Indian gurus did not learn in a month.

All this Nigerian Developers with YouTube as learning centres... Lol

They will tell you they learnt programming in 6 months with YouTube.. And they are gurus now... Lol


You think YouTube learning vs someone who has a masters degree in Computer science, and started with a two years programming course/Certification are on the same level?

You can start with YouTube, but make sure you get certifications, and be good at your niche.

I am a Senior Recruiter based out of Nigeria, and most of my U.S clients require a minimum of Bachelors Degree in Computer science for entry level positions.

Most Indians and Asian I have hired in the U.S have a Masters degree in computer science, that is one of the edges they have over YouTube developers.

There is no way I will hire someone who learnt through YouTube alone, over someone with Bachelors degree, two years programming certification at a reputable institution. No way.

donPhill:
Nigeria will qualify definitely. But what's the essence of qualifying when you will return home at group stage? Or did Rhor promised the world � cup � at Qatar?

Calm down. Only 21 countries have won the world cup, non from Africa or Asia.

Having said that, participation in the world biggest football even is an achievement. Some big dawgs don't even qualify sometimes. Having your country represented is enough, any other thing is a big bonus.

Bigjosh10:
Bro please how did you go about your MSC with 9 admissions. Wow big congrats, I also came out with a strong 2.2. could you please put me through how you sent about yours. A contact or email would be fine by me

Available for a quick video chat today? Will be unavailable tomorrow.

Lol... I had a 3.4/5 which is 2.2. I got over 9 admissions for master degree in both U.S, U.K, Germany.

If you have a 2.1 and during your masters degree application, you can't write a very strong statement of purpose, then you went to school to waste your parents money. Nobody cares about your 2.1 except Nigerian employers.

Some of the best professors today had a 2.2. Without sounding proud, the guys who had 2.1 in my set back then cannot stand side by side with me on a debate on world issues, tech, big data, future tech, politics, government, etc.

During the interviews for my masters degree applications back then, when I start talking, the interviewers either drop their pen to pay close attention because someone (me) is spitting venoms. Blink and I have left you behind.


By the way, you can go to Havard with a 2.2 if you have something in your head to change the world.

Till today, my father never asked me what I graduated with. He only congratulated me for graduating. He knows the boy is bright and degree class is not a determinant of success. Some millionaires and business tycoons had 2.2,some only went to technical colleges.

The funny thing is, most schools overseas focus on your strengths through your academic transcript. For example, if you did well in economic courses, and you are applying to economics related courses, you are good to go. Also they calculate in percentage. A 3.4/5 is 68% and a 3.6/5 is 72%. This shows you that the supposed 2.1 only topped a strong 2.2 with just 4%.

Strive hard to have a 2.1, if not, have a strong 2.2. Your GPA is converted to percentages. There is nothing wrong with having a 2.2,absolutely nothing. Except you have a very weak 2.2. Still a weak 2.2 aint gon determine your life.


Focus on your dreams nigga.

I am reading some rumours here about Ken.... That is normal.

One thing I have learnt in my journey through life is to pick my fights. Don't fight a fight that you're not sure the people behind you will always be by your side no matter what. Also,
if you're fighting for a course, be sure that those behind you will continue the fight even when you are gone.

I look at the present Ogoni leaders, they are all after thier pockets, and they do not care what happens to the people. This wasn't the reason Ken fought for his people.


DON'T LOSE YOUR LIFE FOR UNLOYAL PEOPLE.

DropsMic:
A typical reply from a typical black man. No reasoning, just straight up take it to the lord in prayer. And we all wonder why our region is a shithole.

How many countries have you been to?

You guys keep talking about black man mentality when someone talks about prayer or God.

Even your dear whites say that a lot. I have been to several countries, dated several races, as a matter of fact, my Caucasian friends makes those statements alot. Any little thing, Mofe take it to God in prayers.

Stop this stereotypical crypto shit...... Its a global thing not a black man thing.

Here is my advise for anyone going into blogging, have a product or service you render, then link your blog to it. Don't just do blogging.

If your blogging is on the travel niche for example, make sure you are good at booking flights, hotels, and be a travel consultant, that way, your blog is attached to your business.

If you're blogging on mobile devices, make sure you have a good link with companies that sell mobile devices, that way you're not just blogging on mobile devices, you're also into mobile device sales and services.

In other words, be a complete package....

That is because they hire incompetent buffons. Even if you want to copy, why not change the words and other informations?

Damn.

generalwo:
Your message has good intentions but until you're in the shoes of certain people, u won't understand why they are addicted to certain things.... People fight alot of demons everyday both internal and external...... One of those demons is fear, anxiety and depression... To overcome these forces, people take and do all sorts of things and in the process become addicted.... I don't support addiction of any kind but if you see anyone addicted to anything, instead of judging or condemning them, go close to them and try to know the reason for their depression..... All u have told us is her bad habits.... Did u read about her life and growing up? Do u know what made her begin to do drugs? What if she was molested as a child and the memory of that made her go into drugs? Like I said, I am not justifying addictions but as someone who have experienced life, I'm telling you that, more than 70 percent of addictions are caused by personal struggles with / through life

You are right, however, most celebrities and addicts face similar battles like everyone else.

The question is, why is everyone not taking drugs??

You might answer the above question as, we all handle our battles differently. Then I will ask again, why were they not into drugs until they made money or became popular?

I believe peer pressure, wrong groups/company, individual personality are the leading causes of addiction.

I do tell people, purify your heart before fame and comes, because MONEY/FAME amplifiers whatever it catches in your hands. If you're a giver, when money comes, you become a big giver, if you're into women, when money comes, you want more and more women.

Ekugbeh:
you traveled over ten countries and still counting yet you can't grasp simple logic that the virus blown outta proportion and the lockdowns were unnecessary. But claim to be a consultant. Consultant only for a reason best known to you.

Now its no longer coronavirus isolation, its snow story.

Lock downs were unnecessary Imagine Brazil, The United States, South Africa, India, without lock down measures.

I have interviewed over 700 Indias in the last couple of weeks, and I can show you proofs. From my research and survey, the lock down saved India. India would have been a total death Republic by now.

In South Africa, I travelled to over 17 cities, and visited a couple of Covid clinics and hospitals, and I can tell you that the lock down has been instrumental to South Africas recovery from the virus.

Ekugbeh:
so you are really abreast right? My dear, you so rely on Google until you don't know the schemes of things in this age. The CDCs in US, Canada & UK couldn't provide any proof of the virus being isolated in it pure form and you are here bringing craps from a search you lazily did, and glad to claim it a research. You see, I admire your curiosity to learn. But hey, there's a way to think in this present age, and your thoughts processes is bereft of deep critical thinking.

Go dig deeper ok. There are so many documents out there. I would be glad to send you some at your humble request.

Lol..... If you can't grasp the easy and simple link I sent to you, how can you grasp the deeper ones.

This is a direct link from the cdc showing that the virus has been isolated.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/lab/grows-virus-cell-culture.html

Whenever a new virus or a new variant of virus is detected, on of the first steps embark by scientists and virologist around the world is to isolate the virus in its pure form.

You're here telling me some stories that the CDCs can't provide any proof. For your information, I am a research consultant, and I have had to travel to over 10 countries since the start of covid. In the cause of my travels, I have met with several virologist mustly in the United States, so you can keep your ignorance to yourself.

Like I said, your ignorance is legendary.

seguno2:
Americans who earn Nigeria’s minimum wage of N30,000? Or what type of Americans are you talking about

You want to educate a certified and qualified Ediot. Basket mouth is a clown. There are haircuts for 5, 10, 20 - 40 dollars. People will be comparing a country whose daily minimum wage is Nigerias monthly minimum wage.

Even Nigerias minimum wage is not even in place. I learnt some people are paid 10,000 naira per month.