₦airaland Forum

abagoro:
I get pissed at our lack of focus as Igbos.I grew up with stories that my people migrated from Benin only to do further investigation and found out that some people crossed over the Niger from Aboh and Ukwuani who are Igbos to settle by the lake and later Aros,Isuamas,Awka and other Igbos joined them.

Igbos simply seem to have lived around the Nigeria/Cameroun border and later moved down with Yorubas,Edos and Igalas to the Niger-Benue confluence.We are the same people with Yoruba and Edo.The major reason for our deviation is a later mix of Bantu from Cross River.The light skin you find amongst Igbo is the same with Efik/Ibibio.Infact Igbo and Efik/Ibibio are almost 100% similar in physique.

Just like Ikwerres crafted very illogical Benin ancestry,so have I noticed Nri's claim of Jewish ancestry.If we follow this trend,then we will end up having no Igbo origin as all Igbos are either Benin,Jewish or Cross River origin.

Your analysis is consistent with Syntax-lexicon-linguistic similarities that exist across Yoruba, Igbo, Efik  and Igala languages which normally group under Kwa speakers. it is possible the Igbo are an early proto-bantu group that migrated West in waves before other bantu groups followed.

MandingoII:
America gave them free reign!

remember Japan had a AWESOME military. When they nolonger put over 50% of their money into their military, they put that money into THEIR PEOPLE. JAPAN BUILT HUMAN CAPITAL.

Remember, Japan has always been smart mofos!!!!

They are the ELITES of the Asians. They were FAR SUPERIOR than all asians because they were WELL EDUCATED.

Check their history. Their government MADE THEM get out of the stone age and into COMPETING with the west.

Japan wanted to colonize the East (Asians countries) like Europe colonizied Africa and everything else

Precisely the same proposition central to my earlier analysis which argues that this must be the same strategy adopted for Africa's development. Its the same formulae that has been used in India and China alike.

Africa's only barrier to accomplising this is a lack of cultural/ethnic cohesion that under pinned the succes of that of China and india and its continued perception of the west as superior in every respect,

Shikena!

Ybutterfly:
^^^^^^with all the insultive threads against Yoruba's & people claiming that the only Yoruba females that are pretty because they are mixed with igbo and other tribes or races and many non-Yoruba agree(when it isn't true), I feel it is worth it to ask this question, especially when some igbo's claim having Jewish blood in them. So I ask if it's true, all my sources are from igbo and a Jewish man from Isreal, so take it up with them

What has beauty got to do with Igbo's being mixed with anything. You need to grow up you know!

All part of planetary climate shifts. This is not the first time its happened in Africa. The Desert was actually a green land back in the day. Don't worry we have airplanes now. Just buy your ticket and form Refugee in Europe.

Ybutterfly:
^^^^^^well I guess we are even now with this thread after all this Yoruba are dirty and woo woo threads because they have done alot of bashing against Yoruba's more, why not other tribes in Nigerian like Hausa.

^^^^^^@morpheus, light skinned with European features are pure black african, oh please because I see some igbo's claim those ones as well as pure igbos

Don't know what you mean by even. I am not even Igbo. if you wan follow people put hand for fire all of una go get burnt at the same time.

Ybutterfly:
^^^^^^^^^^@Morpheus, the sources I posted speak for themselves

Those sources have no evidence to back them up at all. All that european settlers in Igbo land is heresay my dear.

1. There is a massive amount of  DNA data base for Igbo people straight from nigeria with institutions that do DNA ancestry matches for AA European DNA accounts for less than .2 % of the entire population. An insignificant %

2. THe Igala/ sudanese ancestry is again not backed up by DNA evidence so that rules that heresay out.

3. Light skinned Africans have been present all through the history of movement of peoples within the continent pre European incursions and are adaptations/mutations already prevalent in people of African descent as a consequence of melanin deficiencies which cause the hair, the eyes and the skin color to loose pigmentation( this is not albinism by the way which is an extrem form of this mutation). This has been attributed to possible diet patterns or breeding patterns.

I dare anyone to show evidence of any collection of Igbo DNA (especially those who llight skinned )to trace any euorpean or Sudanese ancestry for that matter.

BS that goes on on nairaland

Ybutterfly:
^^^^^many igbo's claim jewish blood and other white blood so some of them must be mixed, which makes sense due to the way they way the light skinned ones look, plus I don't see these other central african tribes claiming jewish blood & many ethiopians and sudanese people are mixed race with arabs. it explains why they have people with light skin and european features in the igbo tribe, why they claim these people are pure igbo is what I find funny.

Also I am not talking about black people as you call yellow man or people like monolisa chinda with negorid features. I am talking about ones that look like alicia keys or have a mixed grand parent like alicia keys are considered pure igbo.

You are a a dunce. Go back to school!!. Light skin has been existent with people of subsaharandescent for millenia. It is pronounced in certain ethnic groups that express it either as a status symbol or a sign of beauty

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thought you were on the NGO's side. I recall commenting that I actually think they are a highly ineffective  bunch anyways, been around for years yet don't really change much in Africa. They still considered infantry troops though compared to people sitting in 400square foot apartments screaming hell.

The individuals you see on that panel addresse the very same concerns you continue to allude to in your occasional rantings, which is the obvious disconnect between policy and actually substantive implementation in addition to the fact that in between, most African govenments are running around like chickens with their heads cut off not know what clear directions to take because they lack the fundamentals required to govern.


Your school of thought always seems to point out the negatives at all points in a conversation and offer the USUAL drastic and swift solution via massive revolts to appease your manhood against a system you feel you have no control over.What your kind usually define as Pan Africanism, Nationalism or what ever you want to frame this so called frame of reference.  Its the age old "off with their heads" rederick and in xchange for displaying your bravado against the usual "traitors" and "coward" we let your kind set the new course and chart us to the so called promised land.
( heard it a million and one times)

The problem with this view point is in its simplistic hell raising, crotch grabbing approach, it fails to address the nuiances that are inherent in any new system that is offered to the masses. The subtle variations in human though processess that grows and spirals to generate the exact same resentments when a few grab for consolidation of power similar to the old ways. The cycle never evovles

The other school of thought recognizes this inherent flaw in any proposed system change and understands that what matters in the end is what as a collectve do you bring to the negotiating table in an intergrated world.

what continues to be the major problem for African governments has been the inability of Africans vis a vis their governments to recognize  and harness their most valuable resource (human capital.) . The overwhelming lack of collective innovative capacity and abilities of the African populous ( Human capital) to stay competitive with their contemporaries in an ever fast paced technological world that creates, destroys and recreates new technologies required to sustain a system that the world as we know it is built round.

In a state of inferiority as he continues to define his exstence in terms of his skin color and in an attempt to keep pace with THIS vastly changing and ever complex technological world the "African" vis a vis his govt is left with little choice other than to divert his attentions away from building what is most important internally to reflect outwardly and rather would trade for technologies and d.i.c.k grabbing bragging rights with the west

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So says the great conspiracy theorist Cap28. You ever been to any rural communities in any African country before?. ever listened to any of their issues, done anything to change it, joined any NGO's, donated a dime to any cause.

Do you actually have any idea what goes on at a grassroots level or does all your info come from cramming info from books on Black nationalism and  listening to Crazy dashiki wearing wannabe African professors far off in Youtube world.

so much for Credibility. I think I'lll stick with people who are actually on the front lines, don't you think?

Morpheus says "GIVE THE PEOPLE ALL THE INFORMATION AND LET THEM DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES?.

Unless of course you think we are all too dumb?

Oyinbo high class will always protect Oyinbo high class and the only remaining victim is the crack head Ivorian

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where there is Ying there is Yang and positive cannot exist without negative. They coexist because they are a natural state of existence.

Screaming about Rich White people vs Poor black people is a skewed perception of true realities in the continent of Africa born out of pain, resentment and frustrations of who controls power and influence. Its only part of the story.

Morpheus says " Give the people ALL the information and let them judge for themselves what is good and what is evil. I have faith in them.

FREE YOUR MIND'!!!

MandingoII:
Social constructions are HERE TO STAY!!!

Looking through White psychotic crap is for the oppressed.

Most White Americans are oppressed and don't even know they are OPPRESSED.


At least the Europeans willl RIOT AND FIGHT.

Social constructs are man made altered perceptions. Like all man made constructs, they inevitably will change.The mind is more powerful than you attribute it.

FREE YOUR MIND!!!

MandingoII:
morpheus ENJOYS listening to Western and White Media Bulls.h, it that capitalizes off Poor folks. He literally believes he is one of them.

Yet. When he look around he sees only a marginal existence. THIS SYSTEM does not include him. Yet, he like soooo many newly american immigrants will do White folks DIRT just to get a few crumbs flicked their way.


These are PATHETIC human beings.

Did you even watch the video. Your slow brain probably just saw the white man on the screen and came to a conclusion. Unfortunately RETARDS cannot help their condition. Their brains did not develop properly. Its okay though you still Human.

Morpheus says " give the people all the information and not what you want them to see or and trust that they are intelligent enough to make the final decisions for themselves. FREE YOUR MIND!!"

Branding Africa conference on issues having to do with Problems in Africa's governance and sustainability.
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MandingoII:
We have a tendency for detesting EACH OTHER more than other races.

Why?

Because Whites have ingrained in minorities all around the world that they are not as civilized as Them.

Thus, when we see a person of lesser class - we JUDGE instantly.

Instead of looking at the historical element - which is we all were impoverished - we look up on our meager lot and think its best.

It is not.

We all are a divided people. All people of color in every country on this planet have this same hatred for each other.


Why?

White Media generated bulls. h. i t.

A conseqence of Social constructs.

Free your mind!!!

The chickens have been coming home to roost for decades. still the gambling goes on. Hmmmmm

buzugee:
lol you definitely are onto something cuz it definitely worked on me. my cognitive abilities stepped up a notch never been to Abj myself but dunno if i can risk being in that part of the world. i mean i know it is a secular place but it is still in the north, home to crazy religious fanatics. somehow i dont fancy some malo using my neck to sharpen his knife. i aint feeling that.

If you step inside Abuja coming from oversees you will not want to go back to lagos unless you like hustle and bustle non stop and this is coming from a bonifide Lagos boy.

buzugee:
gotcha dawg. so where you based at ? Naija, Uk, Us ? oh and if i have been a tad bit belligerent in my posts, its cuz you started out by calling me a M O R O N so i apologize. us nubian folks gotta be civil to each other.

M.o.r.O.N was only used to spark the conversation. Studies show the cognitive abilities of people are heightened when they are challenged in such a fashion. I take that remark back.

I have pretty much lived in a lot of countries spanning the US, Europe and Africa. My base is the planet earth(sarcasm) but I am falling in love with Abuja.

buzugee:
nah it aint too complicated. its just that you have an uncanny way of using so many words to say so little anyway i digress, yes i get where you are coming from. capitalism is driven by incentives which then spills over into greed if unchecked and then eats itself up from inside. i hear you. and you are proposing that the only way to keep capitalism going is via 'transformation'. by transformation i am assuming you mean by 'capping' salaries etc ? 'capping' introduced to keep that human frailty called greed in check.

Something along those lines

buzugee:
Hmmmm. not sure i understand what you are getting at. my problem with capitalism is that it tries to extract infinite resources from a finite supply. it transforms people into materialistic goons. it corrupts people. it destroys the planet. it brings out the worst in humans. it condenses wealth into the hands of a few. it creates poverty. it creates suffering. depletes the planet. basically it is a pyramid scheme that cannot go on forever without collapsing.

The element in the composition/equation that makes capitalism work properly lies in the "desire to incentivize " and how this incentive is distributed to continue to allow for innovation and sustain the system. The anomaly is created when this particular component is defined in "INFINITE" terms on both sides of the equation. In order words when is enough profits enough over the point where it destroys other elements that are required to sustain the system.

The anomaly is driven via a Human flaw "GREED". Man/Concentrated power desires more power.  Marx's and Mao championed alternatives via Coummunism or socialism to adddress this anomaly but in reality the flaw exists outside the equation and cannot be addressed by switching the numbers around or trying to destroy it. The key is in TRANSFORMATION!!!!

Hope the above is not to complicated for you now.

buzugee:
way to make capitalism sound very noble. bros, the idea of capitalism is to window dress greed. to try to harness greed into a system. to make greed more palatable to the masses. to make greed more humane. ultimately, you cannot extricate one from the other. it is the front-end of greed which is the back-end. capitalism makes greed more user friendly. i think a hybrid of capitalism with socialism is the ultimate system.

That's weird you would advocate a combination of the two seeing that most capitalist systems are hardly absolute  in of themselves.

The core issue for capitalist systems has always boiled down to according Corporations the same rights and privileges as 'individuals" when substantively, their complex nature hardly allows them to be defined as such, creating a dilemma for the true intentions of what a capitalist system was imagined to be. The INCENTIVE to maximize the efficiencies of all factors of production for the benefit of the COMMUNE.

That aint no window dressing bro. Its the reality of the problem.

buzugee:
there you go trying to separate two metals in an alloy. greed is capitalism. capitalism is greed. one cant exist without the other. they are both the same. capitalism is a sophisticated way of saying 'greed'

Not necessarily. its true intentions were not predicated on such, but as all ideas are inevitably corrupted by the few and thus they begin to be percieved as such.

The idea of capitalism was to give power to the individual and create the freedom to employ all resources at his disposal to its maximum potential, creating an incentive for him to continue to innovate and benefit the commune as a whole. Multiply this effect by a hand full of Multinational corporations and you get a corrupted system of a few trying to inevitably use the system to gain unlimited power, influence and control over others. A cycle evident in pretty much any ideal man has so far imagined.

Destroying the system will not bring about lasting change. It will be recycled again in the hands of the few who claim to be your liberators. The key is in realizing what drives the system, compromise and then transform it.

The Boogey man is man himself.

buzugee:
believe it or not, before capitalism became officially a system on paper, capitalism had always been a system in the human mind. the only thing that prevented them from acting on it 'en-masse' was that there wasnt the technology to maximally harness and indulge in greed. like it would take you like a few months to canoe from one part of the world to the other. but once all that got taken care off, human greed ran amok. so just because i said capitalism got officially recognized on paper didnt mean it did not exist in the minds of men. capitalism has been around since greed has been around which was after eve ate the apple. so all am trying to say is that, since it became conveniently possible for people to travel around, peoples greed has run amok. and of course the natural place to come invade will be the place with the mucho resources, AFRICA

I think you mean GREED has been an evident trait in men and been around long before the notion of captialism was caped by thinking minds. It is the other way round my friend. the mechanisms of capitalism simply enhances what was already there

So call the boogeyman what you want, capitalism, imperialism, egoism, racism. the one unifying idea behind it is how do "I or WE set myself/ourselfs above others". A consequence of evolutionary survival traits embedded in those who have faced the fierest of competitions/ survival  and as the African/Black man continues to learn this about his contemporaries begins to embody these same traits as a consequence of his own survival.

buzugee:
yes bros they all started rushing back when the economic system called capitalism was unleashed upon the world, because africa by virtue of its location, had, and still has, the best soil and the most abundant resources. they have come back to steal, pillage and take. to plunder the resources of africa. our long distant mutated cousins have come back home to steal from us.

in case you didn't notice that has been happening for over 1000+ years, long before there was any such thing as a CAPITALIST SYSTEM and is driven by man's insatiable appetite for the desires that make him what he is; power, control, influence over others and egoism. Africans are not immune to these traits as they are part of the same human species and are no more SPECIAL than a slanty eyed Asian that lives in Japan. Stop buying into boogeyman theories will ya.

We wake up each day eager to play within these social constructs and stratifications percieved as our ultimate reality. There in lies the true stain on humanity that we are yet to overcome and probably won't for a long period of our evolutionary cycle. Pity!

Oh by the way what system preceded Capitalism? since in your view point this is what started the exodus back to Africa to pillage.

buzugee:
now you are just splitting hairs. of course everybody in africa will not look exactly alike. features will differ according to diet and the part of africa you are, but the unifying factor is that the skin is black.

Right right. Like you said. The blacks all drifted with the breaking earth's crust and found themselves in different parts of the world. Then everyone started rushing back to Africa after they finished mutating and figured out, thats where we all came from in the first place huh

buzugee:
like i said initially, you hardly know what you are talking about http://homepages.see.leeds.ac.uk/~eargah/Gond.html

and you unwittingly are regurgitating exactly what i said initially. shows how silly you are

regurgitating would be supporting your land mass break away theory and how people were on these land masses that drifted away as opposed to physically migrating to these regions after the earth shifted thousands, possibly millions of years ago, Oh and how everyone on the planet was a contemporary looking black man back in those days. That cannot be confirmed either.

Also you say those who remained in Africa couldn't and didn't change. Thats false. The divergent looks in different parts of Africa would not support that proposition as different proto-Saharan groups  in central Africa produced contemporary sahelian and saharans who look visibly different from  Proto-Khoisan groups that produced the bushmen in the south of Africa. ergo, people change regardless of how minimal the distances are dependent on several factors.

A flaw again would be in the fact that the Human species have been postulated to have orginated from the same source ie. Homo sapien man. Your theory would leave room for more than one up shoot of the Human species.

buzugee:
you hardly know what you are talking about. your paucity of knowledge is akin to the volume of water in the sahara desert. i guess all i am trying to

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i don't know where you got that gibberish story about land masses cracking and people actually being on them when they cracked and thus got drifted off with the land mass. That may have happened with Dinosours but definitely not people.

Migrations of human species took them out of Africa roughly 60,000 to 100,000 thousand years ago via the shore lines of the middle east,, to india as far as oceania. Subsequent migrations left bottlnecks groups that remained in specific regions in the world that facilitated in group mutations with climate and diet acting as secondary events that sustained such mutations.

All through this period there have evidently been back migrations from regions bordering the periphery of the African continent with the Sahara posing a formidable barrier for DNA inflows into people that live in what is formally refered to as Sub saharan Africa. This is the reason these set of people have the most Divergent DNA makeup compared to other peoples of the world or in laymans terms this imples that peopels of the world are obvious offshoots of AFRICAN ANCESTORAL DNA. This is not in dispute

Please note you are a contemporary African and your phenotypical appearance has mutated much in the same period of time as other groups of people round the world. In order words you most likely do not look like what a typical African may have looked like 60, 000  to 100,000 years ago when the migration patterns began. So the suggestion that some how you are the original man is popostrous. You are a descendant of the same ancestors that populated and produced the diverse range of phenotypical appearances that occupy the world today. This the reason all human species are 99.7% identical in DNA sequencing.

If you want to encourage black solidarity please don't use false notions to do so and give the people the correct inforamtion

buzugee:
the presence of the sphinx is a constant reminder to all the black people all over the world of what a once great people we were. and we shall return back to our place of greatness once our penance is over.

you 've been reading those conspiracy books for much too long. Several sets of people in different ranges of phenotypical expression have occupied Africa and were not INVADERS into the continent. Many of them ancestorally have been living in Africa long before your Kwa speaking ancestors founded any lands in the little space they presently call their own.  Their DNA can be traced back long before Egyptian civilizations you m.o.r.o.n.

Dbt relief Again.

Make she ma tell them make dem no try collect their money again!

This thinking belongs in the 90's n people are pretty tired of reharshing it over and over again.

Move on.!!