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[quote author=sa_lassie link=topic=802250.msg9593571#msg9593571 date=1321748394]The Africans I know and love best after SA are the Kenyans. I am fortunate to have made friends with many of them over the years. I am sure there are mean Kenyans out there, but I've yet to meet a Kenyan I didn't like. I feel an instant connection with them. They are a very gentle and hospitable people. Nigerians can be intimidating in comparison. [/quote]Of course, everybody likes the Kenyans. Very well read and very "proper" if I might add. I personally find that quite boring

150 million people squeezed into a limited space on the African continent would most likely exhibit these traits of loudness, forcefulness and aggression  and this does put some people off but its who we are and what defines us as a people. We are an animated bunch.

We would not be Nigerians if we we were not

[quote author=sa_lassie link=topic=802250.msg9592642#msg9592642 date=1321735412]Morpheus, thanks. I hope this settles it. But you still haven't answered my questions! [/quote]It does for me but I doubt it will for people who refuse to admit  their own limitations.

In response to your question if I got it right is that in general Nigerians are aggressive debaters. The overwhelming sense of competition we face growing up has trained us to inevitably drive our view points in very assertive ways so much so that we sometimes loose focus on what we are arguing about and turn the conversation in bats of who can abuse the other better.

This unfortunately includes calling out the opponent on their authenticity, knowledge base and the fact that they could be anything other than "nigerian"

Don't take it too seriously,  its lack of exposure

[quote author=sa_lassie link=topic=802250.msg9592481#msg9592481 date=1321733977]Morpheus: OK. Ek is verbaas dat jy my nou skielik ook nie wil glo nie. Ek het gedog ons was besig om mekaar te leer ken. Wat kan ek se? Ja, ek is regtig net n gewone „common“ (soos die Engelse ons noem) Afrikaaner. Ek is net nuuskierig oor een ding: hoekom glo jy my nie? Soos ons se „dit maak my sommer diep die moer in“, maar dis OK want ek like jou nogal. Ek weet daar is baie bedonnerde mense op the net wat troll en kak aan jaag, maar ek is nie een van hulle nie. Ek weet nie wat ek nog kan se om jou te oortuig nie. [/quote]Esshh! You don't have to convince me, I have hung out with Afrikaaners enough to know when someone is faking it.

cap28:
okay sa lassie first of all i was born in the UK - I have both british and nigerian passports although i do not regard myself as a british citizen.

i am therefore overqualified to criticise a system into which i was born into and if it means telling white people the truth about themselves then i am going to do it and no-one particularly you can stop me from doing so.

The famous Nation of islam apostle line stolen from Macolm X. Right on brother lol

cap28:
let me say one thing - first of all you dont fool me for one minuite you are not white, you do not express yourself like a white person - you express your
self like a nigerian - you are probably one of those white apologists who continue to make excuses for whites despite the glaring evidence staring you in your face. i will come to the reasons for your selective amnesia in a minute but a lot of it is caused by years of miseducation which has been purposely designed to keep you psychollogically enslaved to the white man.

This conspiracy theory can be easily dispelled . A Nigerian posing as an Afrikaner would find it quite difficult to write  in Afrikaans as Afrikkans is not generally used in univeristies or written outside of the community. SA lAssie could  plese authenticate yourself by writing in Afrikaans. Trust me I would know if you were faking

cap28:
another reason why i dont beleive you are a white person is because - most informed white people are well aware of what their govts are doing all over africa and quite a few of them are just as enraged as some black people about it - i have found that when whites are genuinely interested in africa they are very honest and in some cases more militant than blacks, i will give you one example - if you go on the mathaba website you will find a ot of european and american writers writing articles about the atrocities committed against the libyan people - they recognise that NATO is a terrorist organisation created to further the main objective of europe and america - WHITE SUPREMACY - and yet we have you pretending to be a white south african but sounding very much like a brainwashed nigerian, white apologist.

Obviously you don't know much about most White SOuth aAfricans .

cap28:
the one thing i find so nauseating about white apologists like you is that you think that just because you have been given a few crumbs by your white masters that means you are a success story - let me educate you - the white man knows how weak minded many blacks like you are - dont forget he is the one that created the system therefore in order to ensure that you never unite with your black brother to face up to your common enemy - him - he allows a few blacks to acheive "success" but this success is always on his own terms never on yours - he allows you to acquire some of the trappings of wealth in order to make you feel that racism is an excuse used by blacks who simply cant and wont get their act together - but all this is is a modern day version of the house negro and the field negro - the house negro gets to sleep in the attic and is allowed to wear massas old clothes and eat his left over food while the field negro is left to sleep out in the barn and eat whatever scraps he can find - this scenario is what we have today amongst the black population - you have a few paid off negros whose job it is to pacify and control the vast majority of blacks who are catching hell from a system designed to keep blacks in a permanent form

Quotes stolen frmm Malcolm X's biography, historoy 101 lessons again. At least be more original will ya. We've heard this stuff for like DOnkey years now. Its kinda getting old
Is this what you were trying to say, next time be generous to the authors you steal these ideas from. cyber warrior:

"I am not sneering at the liberals and their involvment. Neither am I suggesting that they are the most to blame for the black mans plight. Rather I am stating the fundamental fact that total identification with an oppressed group in a system that forces one group to enjoy privilege and to live on the sweat of another is impossible. White society collectively owes the blacks so huge a debt that no one member should automatiaelly expect to escape teh blanket condemnation that needs must come from the black world. It is not as if whites are allowed to enjoy privilege only when they declare their solidarity with the ruling party . They are born into privilege and are nourished by and nutured in the system of ruthless exploitation of black energy. No matter how genuine a liberal's motivations may be, he has to accept that though he did not choose to be born into privilege , the blacks cannot but be suspicious of his motives.

BIko I write what I like,

[quote author=sa_lassie link=topic=802250.msg9588148#msg9588148 date=1321664449]@Cap28 this begs the question: since you hate white people so much, why are you in the UK? I honestly don’t understand what people are doing in these very countries that they hate. I very deliberately have avoided setting foot in England. I’ve gotten an offer to work in the US (not because I’m white! Please!), but I’ve turned it down because there is no way I want to be a part of that society. I'd rather struggle in my own country than live well in theirs.

So why are so many white haters in the US, Europe, Australia and NZ? My beef with them is political, but for some of you guys it is both that and racial. Honest question guys. I don’t get it. It would be humiliating for me to be there. Why are you there?[/quote]I keep waiting for the answer to that question. Unfortunately I get the usual I have the right to live anywhere I want cause "Whitey" stole from my continent and all that crap.
Baffles me I tell ya!

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=805460.msg9586925#msg9586925 date=1321647951]@op,

The reason is partly what everyone has mentioned but there is a factor that we all should equally attend to.

First, the industrialization of Europe was subsisted on resources exploited in places outside of Europe. Without iron ore the steel industry of Europe will have no meaning; without rubber sap, there will be no tires to mount on automobiles; without gum arabic, there will be o preservatives to prolong shelf life of canned and bottled goods; without cocoa there will be no cocoa beverage and chocolates, . . . so the need to produce and market these finished products generated plants and production lines and storage and retailing, massive outlets for job creations in Europe and America.

As industries grew, corporations exploded and became greedy. The world was a market and to maximize profit efficiency was introduced. Time studies were done to calibrate productivity and output levels. . .technology was introduced and the mechanization of work process and task activities led to improved outputs.

Technological blueprints were scalable and reproducible. Then political intervention in market deregulation and trade treaties installed anti-trust laws to control monopoly in global trading. Aggressive tariffs by these countries that were traditional suppliers of iron ore, cocoa, rubber, coffee, copper and other stuffs to the European industries opened doors for them to enter into local production and competition. India, Brazil, China, Thailand, and so on . . . .entered these markets and reduced Europe's monopoly.

Now we see same countries coming to Africa to continue the same exploitation where England, France, Germany, Netherlands, Spain left
off.

Africa has failed to use trade regulations to curtail exploitation. This is part reason why these countries donate moneyand aid funds - as a way to keep us out of competing with them. If we did, their access to our resources will be severely diminished and our entry into global market will be noticed acutely.[/quote]Excellent analysis. i would add that if these African countries are to deal with these new entities, the second time around should make us weary of what thier intentions are and we need to learn to "negotiate' outcomes that will be beneficial for the populous.

This will prove decisive if we are to comeout ahead in this second wave of the world's focus on African resources. We are yet to maximize the human capital potentials that build progress which is translated into value vis a vis Capital

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=802250.msg9587006#msg9587006 date=1321648669]sa lassie,

It is very easy for you to just throw that out here. It is insultive1 I find it very demeaning and insultive that you will be asking Black Africans to yield and accomodate everyone as all Africans. In North Africa, and even in East Africa, people of light skin are quick to identify themselves as separate and different from the black skinned African.

Africa, from Egypt to Morrocc, all down to South Africa, are all Black land. The light skinned Africans should be desirous and agitating for our acceptance and approval, they should be rolling and stepping over one aother to be identified as Black. . . they should be striving to mix blood with the Negro and black out the blank coloration of their skin. We don't have to yield. . . we don't have to see them as Africans if they wish not to be associated as BLACKS!! If its your desire to see a united people on this continent then thats a good ideal; go and preach to them to direct their gaze inward to the continent, and ot outward to Europe.[/quote]Now you know thats real ignorant of you to say that. I expect more from you Negrontns. You do understand that White south africans still suffer from the concept of "white privilegde" accorded them for such a long time and require a re-orientation in terms of enculturation and aculturation which goes both ways I might add in order to sustain a symbioitic relationship.

Your obvious gripe is that it has been one sided for a long time, but proposig that it go entirely the other way as some sort of balancing act is simply a re-enactment of " the oprressors" technique. That process must be organic in other to truly sustain.

^^^
Brazils football teams. We get the point already

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9586011#msg9586011 date=1321637694]And your point is? Yes, white men (not all were ethnically Portuguese) had their way with black African women in Brazil, same thing in the United States. Ever heard of Louisiana Creoles? They have African, French, and Amerindian heritage. I see no difference in that. As for those guys, one can also say American actresses LisaRaye McCoy and Whoopi Goldberg are different people. And what if they are considered the same people? Does that bother you? If so, why?

And another thing, if blacks in Brazil want to express pride in being black, why do you care? It's their business, not yours or mine. There are white people who scream "white pride world wide." It doesn't offend me.[/quote]And the point is "BRAZILIANS ARE A HEAVILY MIXED POPULATION" and can take pride in their African Ancestry as much as their Indian or Portugese ancestry. Neither one is more inherently important than the other in a biological context.

One drop of Black blood does not make you black. It makes you Human!


these two people have mixed ancestry and are considered both AA only to suit socio-political agendas of "labeing ' people to accomodate social constructs.

[quote author=A.D.M. link=topic=806428.msg9585616#msg9585616 date=1321632979]What morpheus24 says makes no sense. Of course African descendants in the west have some white and Amerindian in them. But that doesn't and shouldn't stop them from expressing love in their blackness. African-Americans still use the term black and AA. I see nothing wrong Afro-Brazilians doing the same.[/quote]You seem to forget that Brazil is seriously different from the US in terms of its black population. THem portugese were serious Hot devils and pretty much left their imprint on a majority of the "African" population in brazil so much so visible than AA's.

Afro- Brazilian pride can go pretty much any direction in terms of its native indian, portugese or African heritage.

I seriously doubt that these two people can be considered the same

Eh technically them "africans' over there should be considered of miixed heritage.

cap28:
^^^^^^^

no, you are  under estimating the ability of your people - the reason you do this is because you have been brainwashed by western racists who depict black africans as primitive and incapabale of producing anything of value - i have lived in aba and i know that igbo people are very intelligent and productive people - this is one of the reasons biafra was smashed by the british govt - they fear intelligent black people - igbos are very intelligent and inventive - wherever igbos go in the world they replicate their productive nature - this is why igbos have never been allowed to rule nigeria.

So you are Igbo. figures!!

Don't worry you will be free from the tyranny of the white man all in good time.

something to console you while you wait. FREE CAP@*!!

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redsun:
They are aliens not in the true sense of ET but in mentality . They are totally alienated in their ways of thinking. The mentality of plundering,enmassing,maiming and enslaving the masses. And they see nothing wrong about.

I wonder how any of those traits escape other "human beings" on this earth.

Hmmm?

Just listened to all three parts

Frankly speaking, GEJ is really terrible in articulating what he is going to do regarding The BOKO haram issue and investing in Nigeria. His responses were Terrible! terrible.!

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martinosi:
Who is this sa_lassie of a person,

She's from ethiopica. The great great grand daughter of another mother of The rastfarian king. Hel Selaisse.

product life cycle economic theory in play

Horus:
No, it would be Off Topic.

Good!

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African first needs to break free of the psychological barriers that continue to define them within the context of their skin color, in relation to their contemporaries and in the ability to learn, adapt and expand upon information manipulation. Educating your mind and expanding upon current knowledge bases reaches far beyond using this new found knowledge to steer up rhethoric and engage in continous loops of the "us" vs "them' cycle which is an inherent ideology evident in most western cultural and socio-economic systems.

These 'thought processes" have been engrained into our psyche's, driven mostly by western cultural and social interpretations of who we are supposed to be. We waste too much time lamentating about who and what "our enemy' is instead of focusing on the main objectives of re-defining who we are as a people, cultural values that we will not negotiate with the outside world and a clear sense of direction that complements rather than copies systems already in plan. Empowerment comes from "knowing thyself"

The chinese attempted a similar strategy in what they termed a "cultural revolution" though they failed in several key areas because they became engrossed in pitting their political and economic systems against those of the west when in hind sight they should have adopted a more fluid and transformative organic system of change.  They have begun reinventing those systems and have moved passed the usual "western devil" rhetoric.

In other words, being black as a function of ones progression is irrelevant in as much as being Yellow is. Rebuttals to this assertion claim that ths is unrealisitc becasue it simply doesn't take into account the realities of this oppressive world, well it will seem so if one continues to judge their  realities based on yardsticks of others life styles.

The key has always been in "EVOLUTION' and not "REVOLUTION"

Horus:
Only fools duck when the truth is thrown at them!
You need Facts, not beliefs.

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Are you gonna start talking about the "lack of melanin" in White people next as a consequence of their alien status too?

I've read your stuff you know. In my world you are entitled to these so called "facts", so its okay.

BlackLibya:
I didnt say there was. Apparently you think there is.

Either that or you just follow me from thread to thread, hating on everything I say.

Why can I not say they are "so black" and be happy about it? Why does it have to be negative?

It has been proven that these peoples of the andamans though physically resembling contemporary Africans are biologically distant from them. In other words they have no recent ancestors with contemporary black african peoples.

The theory states that waves of early humans that moved along the coast lines bottle necked on certain coastal islands as they travelled through south asia all the way to small islands in the papau new guineas.

It is very likely that these particular peoples were isolated on certain islands  and  retained several tropical adaptations that had been inherited from their forebearers  in Africa or along the way

The darker skin tone only alludes to a dominant trait that has pased on fromgeneration to generation much like the eye folds of Khoisan Africans which differntiates them from otehr Wide eyed Africans

Nnenna1:
As much as I try to think of humanity in a different light it really does boil down to this. Disregarding the reality of "survival of the fittest" is the reason why the natives in the Northern parts of America and Australia/New Zealand are all but extinct. We are animals after all, although more sophisticated in how we demonstrate this truth.

Survival of the fitttest is not a "man-made" concept but natures biological mechanism of ensuring life survives threats, evolves and sustains itself. Unfortunately what most of us have ben introduced to as the definitions of this natural concept stems from  Man's "SOCIAL" version of this biological process played out in constructs we conjure up as an effort in trying to "efficiently" control the world around us on our terms. There in lies the flaw in mans relationship to nature that sets him apart as the most devious of all species.

There is a "biological" reason black people are black
There is a "biological' reason why most people that live in tropical climates have darker skin
There is a biological reason why the accumulation of knowledge bases over centuries leads to certain societies having greater expertise over others.


If you feel "the black" mans agenda at this stage of human evolution is to worry about how "united" we need to be to advance, you are entitled to that opinion and are welcome to push for that agenda. I for one see that as a trivial attempt to solve an underlying pshychological issue that plagues the psyche of Africans. The unification of "purpose" for any people can be constructed along many lines. Colour being the least of my favorites

Horus:
Not at all, contrary to popular belief blacks originate from everywhere on this planet and blacks also exist in others solars systems from beyond the stars.

I knew you were about to go there with that your coocoo space stuff!. You are worse than Cap28

You need pills!!!