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More evidence that the mixing of different traits from Humans produces the best results.

justwise:
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He did all that while in power, now he is out he has the gut to start moaning about the West, typical of boneless African leaders.

Shows how much you know about southern African politics. That guy protected his country against a swamp of profiteers trying to make money from the Aids epidemic inthe country not to talk of having him betray his neighbours Zimbabwe by calling them out in the public.

Mbeki is about the only President with a track record of doing something in Southern Africa.

PS Regionally speaking wetin concern Mbeki with West African regional affairs when the the outcome presents minimal interference with the southern regions affairs. Did Ivory Coast invest anything in South Africa.

Please!!

@RSA

As you already know I have alwasy liked Thabo Mbeki and what he did for the South African economy during his tenure before he was ousted by those comrade thugs that occupy the ANC ranks.

He is "generally" spot on in his analysis and African countries need to continue to be weary of the cerain agendas from Western influence in Africa. Mbeki faced the same dilemma when he was pressed by "other" powers to put pressure on Zimbabwe, knowing fully well the histry that thise Southern countries share.

cap28:
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how much are they paying you in that your miserable cleaning job in london?

how does it feel to go to bed on a full stomach and have 24 hours of electricity and running water? is this why you are so in awe of the white man? is this why you swallow all his lies without question?

do you think that you will have a job if there is mass unemployment of whites in the UK? do you seriously think you will be welcome in the UK if thousands of white europeans start losing their jobs?

you better get your tongue out of whiteys arse fast cos when the sh.it hits the fan he will throw you under the bus so fast your feet wont touch the ground.

Hmmm. POt calling Kettle black that is unless you make a living by collecting donations from the NOI branch office in London.

paniki:
BEE is a policy that applies only to companies that do or want to do business with the government(you said you know this). There are many businesses that have no interest in government contracts or tenders and so BEE doesn't apply to them. When government decides to build anything or wants any kind of service from industry, they give the tenders to BEE compliant businesses. Being BEE compliant means that a business will have some or all black ownership, some or all black management in the business, the business must employ black people in its ranks, the business must prove that it trains black people in its employ, the business must prove that it buys its supplies from small black suppliers(Preferential Procurement), the business must prove that it supports black enterprise by funding black start-ups, the business must prove that it participates in developing the communities in which it operates. BEE has had mixed success because many businesses try to dodge these requirements

There is practically no difference with this and an American Affirmative action quota systems.

[quote author=Afro_Blue link=topic=792829.msg9477698#msg9477698 date=1320377978]There are some schools of thought of human beings and different races as being seeds or DNA species from different solar systems, and brought to earth before recorded history. I know it sounds far out but it's something to add to all our knowledge base. Hit me back if you want a few research links.[/quote]Thats kinda far fetched seeing that present DNA evidence demonstrates that human beings DNA sequencing is about 97.3% the same indicating that they are of the same species.

paniki:
^^^^^^

That's exacty what they said when the convinced our government to go ahead with American Affirmitive Action

and your BEE project is working well isn't it or not?

paniki:
20 years from now all big businesses in Nigeria will be foreign owned. By that time Nigeria will be a real giant of Africa but it would have been made a giant by white mans investment currently happening right now. Nigeria will have a largely formal economy controlled by whites and Indians. South African whites who have and are investing plenty in Nigeria will ride the success wave which will bolster the South African economy, so Nigerian growth will equal SA growth. All this growth is thanks to the white man

A plausible scenario. This has been the Asian agenda for quite some time now, buying up land and swaping investment opportunities for infrastructure building and technological know how. even the White established SA's see the potential and are rushing in to make a killing

The only mistake is the underestimation of the "Nigerian" element 9 i'll leave you to figure out what that is) and the growing uneasiness with Corporate capitalism which is about to experience a major shake up as to how capital is deployed round the planet. The semantic and informative age is revolutionizing the way in which business is taking place in the rest of Africa minus SA and those who are the most educated i.e your kenyans and Nigerians are still poised to reap the benefits of pluggin in and readjusting the system.  SA , unfrotunately is maxed out.  This is the reason SA is being used as the spring board into the continent because its structred to fit well with the ambitions of a capitalist White mans system.


PS. WALMART IS ABOUT TO KICK YOUR AZZ's SAY BYE BYE TO PIC N PAY

paniki:
Your hypothesis shows that you don't understand South Africa and it's social construct. You sound like those IMF economists who sit at a New York office and then tell the Nigerian government how they should manage the "oil" economy based on postulated ideas.

US Population Pre 1964: 200million estimated white population 75%, estimated black population 23%
South African population pre 1994: 45 million estimated white population 5%, estimated black populatio 95%

US: 95% economy controlled by 75% of population
SA; 95% economy controlled by 5% of population size

US: JIM CROW LAWS, segregation, seperate but equal laws, Whites only facilities vs Colored only facilities
SA: PASS LAWS, Bantustans, Apatheid laws, Whites only facilities vs Colored/Black only facilities

US: 1964 pasage of civil rights law
SA 1994 passage of full adult suffrage laws i.e voting rights

DO YOU REALLY WANT ME TO CONTINUE!!!!

paniki:
Entrepreneurship potentials are docile? You Nigerians confuse salesmanship with entrepreneurship

Please don't confuse those rascal drug peddling Nigerian Salemen they brainwash you on SABC about, with real Nigerian enterpreneurs that are able to turn nothing into something pretty much any where they are. Thats an insult

PS. until South African blacks control more that 50% of their economic power will we cease to consider it a Quasi- African state. You guys are barely 17 year olds coming to grips with your place on the African continent and you want to have mouth to talk.

Didn't they just start teaching you guys about how many countries they are on the continent as opposed to that Jan van riebeek shit they been feeding your azzess for centuries.

PLEASE!!

paniki:
Please get hold of Nelson Mandela's speeches on the interwebs and read them. He liked talking about "peace and unity"
Black South Africans used to kill each other in ethnic and political clashes during the late 80s and early 90s but Mandela's "peace and unity" mantra prevailed.

Please accept that black South Africans will never again allow themselves to be ruled by whites. You prediction is incorrect because your line of thinking is illogical therefore impossible. It's like me predicting that black Africans will land on the moon in the next decade - it's possible but unfathomable therefore incorrect.

Stay focused. Your 'pap' eating azz is jumping the gun. The prediction was not about whites taking over power again. Go back and read will ya.

The reasoning was based on a comparison of similar social stratification systems based on race and similar political and economic emergence of an under class within such a society i, e the US in comparison to Southa Africa.  Therefore the arguement cannot be illogical because it is based on  valid deductive reasoning and therefore not impossible or unimaginable.

Damn some o ya'll are slow

paniki:
Black people will never vote for white leadership so your prediction is incorrect. The DA won Western Cape province because blacks are in the minority and some of them like zolzlolz have been corrupted by the white man who lives a good life in Cape Town and Stellenbosch. Whites will continue to have a grip on the economy and therefore they will always be seen as the enemy.

Lindiwe Mazibuko is South African. We are not so ethnocentric as you Nigerians

Right right, a consequence of Apatheid struggles.

its a prediction you dimwit, it can't be incorrect if its assumed to happen at a future date. Ever heard of a Black repulican. Some people thought that was an impossible phenomena but it happened. Hmmmm?

paniki:
You too should not assume that we know nothing about Nigeria

xcept what you hear on SABC 1

paniki:
You obviously don't know much about BEE besides the abbreviation. Do you think it's a government office that dishes out 'BEE' grants? You probably think that every successful black South African has received a hand out from the government. Even if that was the case it would be a good show of a government by the people for the people.

These are the BEE codes that South African and Multi-National companies must comply with in order to do business with the government:

- Code 100 – Ownership
- Code 200 – Management & Control
- Code 300 – Employment Equity
- Code 400 – Skills Development
- Code 500 – Preferential Procurement
- Code 600 – Enterprise Development
- Code 700 – Socioeconomic development

There's no business hand outs my friend. Hand outs are done by the Department of Social Development which gives monthly social grants to the poor which makes poor South Africans only theoretically poor.

Oh sorry maybe I should call them tenderpreneurs, make ya feel better.

Don't make assumptions of what I know and don't know about your country. I am not your average Nigerian who talks crap about SA.

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@zolzlolz

I am kinda predicting a gradual shift from the ANC to the DA party for some of these "black up and coming middle class" elite being created as you have stated when the poor start attacking the very elite that is being created witin the ranks of the ANC and banging on the doors of the party these guys will have no choice than to shift to a party that might more protect their interests.

Just a prediction, I might add. whats that new black lady I keep seeing next o Helen Zille on T.V. Lindiwe Mazibuko, Pretty little chunky thing. I think she's Xhosa huh?

RSA:
@zolzlolz
I don"t know whats your issues with the ANC are but I can advise you to read studies that were done regarding the growing numbers of black middle class.Majority of this people are not connected to the ANC elites they are hard working people,who are succeding beyond the challenges that they face from racist corporate world of South Africa.

The only problem with people like you is that you want a black man to feel guilty when he enjoy his hard earned cash,whereas it is normal in your view when a whiteman do the same.

I've friend from other races and I can tell you that they're living large but no one dare questions their life style,Not even you Zol,like where do you think Zille got money for her plastic surgeries? .

Zozloz has taken the words right outta my mouth. A South African who can see through the BS. I am speechless.

RSA

can you show the statistics of "the growing black middle class" that are not somehow connected to collecting BEE hand out money. PLEASE!!!

paniki:
Whites, Indians and Chinese own and control the Nigerian formal economy. Nigeria's economy is still small but growing at a rapid pace and this growth is stimulated and managed by foreigners. The big informal economy of Nigeria is serviced by the formal structures controlled by Whites. Most products in Nigeria result in profit for Whites or Chinese. Nigeria is therefore a giant of consumption where Whites and Asians have a growing market for their products.

Nigerian oil, telecoms, formal retail, large-scale construction and most other industries are controlled by Whites or Asians. South African Whites have monopolised the pay-tv sector in Nigeria. South African Whites working together with South African Blacks control more than half of the telephony industry in Nigeria. Chinese and Whites are responsible for most new infrastructure in Nigeria. Whites take more profit from Nigerian oil than the Nigerian government. Very few products have 'Made in Nigeria' sticker on the back and those few products are owned by whites.

With your type of thinking the conclusion is as follows: Black South Africans don't own or control the South African economy therefore they are not giants ALSO Nigerians don't own or control the Nigerian economy therefore they are not giants.

Ah good to hear from an educated Black south African. Your kind are very rare on this forum. My southern brother the fact still remains that the consumption potential of Nigeria you speak of must be fueled by the ability to consume in maximum i.e a growing middle classs potential within a population size of 160 million people, driven by the high productivitiy levels vis a vis high educational and skilled levels required to support and sustain such consumption potentials.

The "giant of Africa" terminology recognizes this potential and does not refer to infrastructre and systems originally built by the Apatheid govt to service only the 5 million white population in SA. You do know that don't you? To brag about what was obviously not your doing is quite juvenile and silly. But don't worry though the govt got ya''ll taken care of with that BEE money cause your enterpreneurship potentials are docile

The power potential still resides in the most innovative people on the continent. Ask any white , chinese or Indian man who is trying to bring his capital into Nigeria what they fear the most about Nigerians. You lucky MTN and DSTV is still operated by South Africans. Give it a couple more years will ya. The competition is just round the corner SEE THE BELOW LINK

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/international/2011/10/24/african-voices-building-network-of-leaders.cnn

How many times will this insane topic be regurgitated.

South Africa is the gate way into Africa for investors as it boasts a sound legal, financial and constitution. SA is not the Giant of Africa because in real terms it is a quasi- African state that consists of an european so called 1st world economy(87% control of resources and lang) with a 3rd world 13% control of resources and land built around it.

There is a gradual shift that is taking place where redistribution of wealth is trickly to the 45 million "black' ( and I use this term loosely to include natives, coloureds and indians). The majority of wealth is still controlled by the European 5% settler population of the country so in comparative terms to both population size and income redistribution unfortunately SA cannot be considered the GIANT OF AFRICA.

Sorry my SA brothers. This is the reason the term is seldom used in global context. It has been estimated that SA has maxed out its GDP potentials and Nigeria is set to grow exponentially if the right structures are put in place.

Even the guy who coied the BRIC term considers this to be the potential future.

[quote author=Mr--Why link=topic=783402.msg9361737#msg9361737 date=1318890226]Hey guys, I could be coming to South Africa for a short course. I read and heard that being from other African country, you could be an easy targeted or butchered. Is this true?. I first opted for Capetown but due to time constraint I won't meet up. Now i am thinking of Newcastle, Kwazulu-natal where the course will be held next. How is it like over there, any tangible tips and cautionary tale would be highly appreciated.[/quote]Be careful when you are "in Location" areas and some dodgy areas in the main cities. Apart from that enjoy your self.

PS Strap up tight if you are going to play with those girls. Thats a must.

@nolongthing

I thought you support nationalization agendas. I must have been wong.

paniki:
Akin Omotoso is one of the many Nigerian I know who does good in our country and South Africans love him for that. He makes good movies. Problem is that those who do good are out numbered by those who do bad, so we generalise according to the majority.
http://www.tvsa.co.za/actorprofile.asp?actorID=9295

Your above statistical analysis is incorrect and is based on a phenomena called stereotyping.

Ther are 150 millions nigerians on this planet.
Out of that number an estimated 10% or 15 million live outside of the country,
of that number another less than 1 million reside in South Africa

Of that number and to be generous, lets say 10% of that number( and thats an exaggeration) are criminals. that gives you < 100,000 unscrupulous people running around in a ina population size of 50 million people

Given the poulation size of Nigeria as wel,l would you call that a fair represnetation of the character of Nigerians.

pleae don't let your media keep decieving you. The british did that poo to you preceding the world cup.  Television is for entertainment and commercials

Arrest those mofo's, prosecute, sentence to jail, and finally deport them straight back to Murtala muhammed airport.

Disgraceful imbeciles.

Meanwhile RSA, if I enter you country I better not be harrassed by your customs because I am Nigerian otherwise I will raise Hell and report you guys straight to Mandela

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Poor boy. You keep wrestling with the concepts of expressive vs instrumental forms of communication. You are looking but you can't see.  You believe successful appeals to the emotions of your listeners is a consequence of your intelligence and accumulated pile of distorted information when in actuality it is a consequence of your cognitive patterns inherent in people who lack logical thought processes. 

Its ok though very typical of young wannabe soldiers who cannot reconcile cultural programming with social organizations in the west and Africa  The one seems so cold and distant and the other appealing to interdependence which is why you desperately need to define an entity or concept to pit against. What you refer to as the "enemy." It gives you purpose, keeps you going doesn't it?

Notice how you keeping lamenting about AFRICOM with no relevance to the immediate conversation. borderline obsessive compulsive disorder.

Aobut your materialism comment, tell me something though how can a spotted D.I.C.K eating, english speaking, Uk Tax paying, living in a 400 square foot flat, western clothes wearing buffon convince us of his detachement from materialism. Hmmm?

In comparison my Brave African warrior, You aint any different from them lost muslim Paki british wannabes, who are suffering from an identity Crisis. The poor chaps don't know if they are british or pakistan, disillusioned by racism and other differences in cultural expressions they try to fill the void by making up imaginary enemies just to find meaning in their confused lives. Ring any bells?

Keep looking for your imaginary enemy, When you get tired maybe you can come bck to Africa and come do some good for your people.


Morpheus says "Unfortunately none can be told what the MATRIX is. You have to see it for yourself.

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Oh Cap by the way I aint old just wise beyond my years. You really arent that intuitive are you? Figures though, you reason with emotion thats why you lack the ability to be logical

let me know soon as you get get outta being behind enemy lines which has obviously run you mental, I got a good doc who can help you out.

^^^^

hahahaha!

YOu numskulls are all the same. Its like you got tunnel vision. It erks you that there are people like me out there huh. Thats cause you can't see past your noses. THe more I reveal the less you understand trying to pin me to that corner your propagandaist thought processes describe as the " the house negro", "traitor" the Sell out" the "judas", The snitch, " the rat", ehhhh, did I leave anything esle out, help me out will ya guys. 

Morpheus says[i] "You cannot see past the choices you have not made. The Matrix is a system created to control your minds.  When you're inside, you look around, what do you see? Businessmen, teachers, conspiracy theorists,  The very minds of the people we are trying to save. But until we do, these people are still a part of that system and that makes them our enemy. You have to understand, most of these people are not ready to be unplugged. And many of them are so inert, so hopelessly dependent on the system that they will fight to protect it no matter the cost"[/i][/i]

FREE YOUR MIND!!!!

You've been reading too many books on the "house negro" vs "field negro" syndrome. Thats how I know you still a boy. Only D.ic.k Heads  that recyle 1960's black nationalist propaganda will use such analogies  usually to convince themselves of the righteousnes of the cause. Been around that block before, Same Poo. just a different day. You must still think I am that image of your Nigerian Taxi driver stuck on the streets of New york city. Pity!

I am sorry to tell you my dear boy, there will be no revolution. at least not the kind you and your cronies continue to anticipate for black people. No bloodbaths, No nazi-like great destruction of what you refer as "White" systems, no glorious emancipation of black people from mental slavery. Stop selling people that pipe dream and playing on their weaknesses. Dooms day prophets. You guys make me sick.

None of your predictions have come to pass. Like fake azz pastors you idiots use cyclical events that are a consequence of several inter-tangled  global economic factors and pass that on as evidence of your brilliance. Men please!

You are a victim of your own self indulgence. It is you that I feel sorry for cause you will watch yourself grow older and older being so s.t.u.p.i.d and childish by the time you hit mid-life will finaly figure out that that fire up your azz  conspiracy theory stuff was just a consequence of  the inability of your under developed brain to fully comprehend complex ideas and excess testosterone levels that are evident in male population demographics btw the ages of 18- 35. Thats why buffons like you are susceptible to mental illnesss at your age.


You still haven't answerd the question, once your cronies destroy and do away with the eivil CAPitalist system that is destroying your kind what utopia like system will they replace it with,who will control this system and how will they righteously administer this new found power and authority  Details please?


Morpheus says "Have you ever had a dream, CAp, that you were so sure was real? What if you were unable to wake from that dream, CAp? How would you know the difference between the dream world and the real world?

FREE YOUR MIND!