zacharyluke: I generally sympathetic to most foreigner s in s Africa, but nigerians are the worst honestly. the street I've grown up in has become a hell hole thanks to Nigerians. they come sell their drugs and turn woman unto prostitutes, their filthy and piss in the street like nothing( probably normal in Nigeria) throw their rubbish in the street turning it into a road like in nigeria, are loud and fight a lot. I've even seen 1 fight with a policemen. they come here to south Africa and think they can do whatever they like. now thanks to Nigerians the crime, drug addicts have become normal. If you say Nigeria is so blady great, why do you come in thousands here and screw up things?
It is evident you are one of those illiterates whos world begins and ends in South Africa.
WHy don't you march to parliament and turn to those corrupt leaders of yours to come to these areas and clean up those streets and deport any Nigerian involved in illegal activity instead of taking the lives of human beings
PunkyOh: No, because like every other forum, this is a good place to interact with people. To learn about different cultures etc. I have a curious mind so I enjoy learning new things, like your Pidgin for an example. I'll leave when I want to leave. I just don't care for the BS in between.
Like I have said, no one is chasing you away from here. You can be curious all you want.
Meanwhile My man Julius Malema doing something about his country.
VIVA MALEMA! true son of your father Mandela and true son of the African continent.
PunkyOh: It's weird? Haven't noticed. Morpheus, do you actually think I give a jack diddly squat about what's being said by some people here? You're peeing on the wrong tree, buddy, I couldn't care less. I know she'll be back
If you didn't care that much you would have left a long time ago. no?
PS BluIVY is hiding behind the name "Nobody" so She is still here
PunkyOh: @BluIvy, sisi wam Please calm down & come back because ilizwe lidinga ummeli. Xa ubaleka like this, uyabonwabisa, bazivengathisebephumelele. Uyayazi imfazwe, this is only child's play compared to other things. I miss you already so do please come back, s'thandwa
AWWWW, Weird when you are outnumbered by another group of people and they are abusing you.
Don't worry. BLuIVy cannot stay away from Nairaland for too long. She will be back and I will be waiting for her.
RANDYMUDA: Again..stereotyping much..aint you.... But offcourse yes you are very right.......It is your country and you are the HOST..as you say.... we pray that you remain "GOOD HOSTs" AMEN...The greatest sin of a country is if they treat vulnerable "foreigners" (hate this word though) with contempt...contempt...I pray that some South Africans would also stop projecting their problems on this foreigners and assume they are all up to "illegal SHENANIGANS" ......It would good if they can learn a thing or two from them.....and vice versa...PEACE..
This is why I gave up a long time ago getting into so called "civil" conversations.
MORPHEUS PROCLAIMS LOUD AND CLEAR! IF you catch any Nigerian in illegal activity, Selling drugs please put him in jail, ban him from South Africa and deport him immediately.
LeSudAfricaine: The problem is that this is not even about Xenophobia. Xenophobia is just a front, I can also see through many comments here, what these attacks merely did was to afford Naija a stick to beat us with.
Sometimes a stubborn child needs to be twaked in the bumbum
LeSudAfricaine: I actually came to this site to condemn these attacks in the first place. Here's what you don't understand In south África almost everyone bar the Xenophobes themselves, is against these attacks, I know it's something you won't accept but it's true. The reason why I make these generalizations about Nigerians is that Im merely trying to show that generalizing is unfair,because all of a suddenN because I'm South African therefore I'm Xenophobic, I'm merely tryin to apply the same thing to Nigerians so you can see how unfair it is, No South African on this site has justified or supported these actions of a few,
I have ben arguing with South Africans on here for years about the same "generalization". IF you doubt it run a search on any of my posts, read through it carefully and see that I force ya''ll to stare your own stereotyping in the face
It is weird that these attacks have now forced some of you to realize this. Strange.
RANDYMUDA: Anyways I am not witchunting South Africans.,.. Your history has been though and difficult.. We did not know what your misery felt like but we felt it even from afar...I just appeal to Black South Africans to open their minds and allw people in... They should stop this very narrow nationalistic way to think.. Other Africans are not the "other" it is not a bragging match..me against them..we are better ..they are not....Black South Africans have to embrace diversity, tolerance, love and understanding of other cultures.. When I look at you guys ..I see myself..I wish that when you look at me...you also see yourselves... That is only the way we can move on...PEACE#
Like the British gentleman would respond......Here Here!
LeSudAfricaine: I don't Know Nigerians and you Know South Africans? Does'nt that reek of arrogance? How many South Áfricans do you know to reach the conclusion that you know enough about South Africans? How many Nigerians must I encounter for me to finally say I know Nigerians ? How do you even know that I don't know about Nigerians?
RANDYMUDA: To the lies about Botwanas/swazis/ Lesotho etc,... all this other people though they share similar ancestry with you..Don't in anyway think like you guys and distance themselves from this madness....... It is funny that zimbabaweans and Mozmbiquans also have ancestry with you guys but your kinsmen kill them anyways..
LeSudAfricaine: Please man Just spare me the lecture, When we South Africans condemn these attacks you call us names, you'have already painted us with the same brush so what's the point? Show me where I justify the maimimg of innocent people! I for one think these attacks are stupidity of the highest order, Instead of coming together Nigerians and South Africans in condemning these acts, what do you do? You call us names as if every South African was involved In these attacks
lol
Sensitive azz.
Name calling getting to you huh?
can't stand to stare yourself in the mirror, Don't like what you see?
soilsista: Ka nnete shem! Nna ko robala for real now akena nako ya batho ba. Ga e be boroko bagaetsho! Hai cha angeke this thread needs to be closed now! Re boletse golekane
isalegan2: The infamous Morpheus returns! How was the Matrix, bruh? Bros, be real, you know the Ghanaians had issue with us. . .once. . . or twice. . . There was even a song. So I've heard.
I prefer "infamous" if you don't mind.
The so called issues Ghanaians have with us is nothing more that mere competition and bantering between two peoples with common history.
Tell me why don't we have this same beef with other non "Anglo speaking nations" No beef with Mauritania, No beef with Gambia, No beef with Burkina faso. No beef with Niger. NO beef with Benin Republic, No beef with Ivory coast.
PunkyOh: Ok now you must be insane. Sensitive my àss! Do we all live in the cities where this thing is happening? What exactly do you want us to say? The stuff you see on tv is the same stuff we see on ours because none of us are there to give 1st hand accounts. You here talking like South Africa is a tiny town where everyone knows & sees everything. Oh & we don't owe you fùck all. If you want more info on this, then stay glued to your tv screen.
Listen Sisi, I know the difference between Alexandra, Tembisa or Jeppes town Guglethu, Khayalista ,Sandton, Campsbay and the VA Waterfront
Don't come here and lecture me about misconstruing what I see on T. V.
YOu don't owe us anyting. Again this is the "mindset".
RANDYMUDA: Really..What you are doing is just a reflection of what you are as a BLACK SOUTH AFRICA MAN...Inability to reflect but huge ability to deflect and project problems unto others... This thread is about SAFRICAN XENOPHOBIA....Look it is silly for South Africans to feign ignorance about it.. You don't have to be on the streets killing foreigners to be xenophobic, The xenophobic attitudes of South Africans for the most part are on display..buttons don't need to be pressed..
I have travelled with my british passport to South Africa and on my Nigerian passport too.. On 4 separate occasions..at the immigration which is meant to be the face of South Africa to foreigners, the attitude was clear. He hounded me for being Nigerian and also British.. at the end of discussion he shouted at me and said I should live his till or he would kill me... I won't recount other instances.. I have been singled out of waiting crowds at OR TAMBO and asked very uncomfortable questions.. A woman immigration officer has called me A drug dealer because I am Nigerian ..But I let her have it.. I reciprocated by calling her a rapist and she was totally shocked...We settled the IMPASSE at the side offices of the immigration persons at OR TAMBO... I would digress though.. TROLLING on a Nigerian forum trying to defend the indefensible just shows the new low that you guys are stepping to. I don't blame you though.. Your President has not taking responsibility for anything he has done...he keeps deflecting..exactly what you are doing... What is sadder is South Africans keep pushing this ideology around PAN AFRICANISM..SMH#.I don't know what is sadder the fact that they don't know what that ideology means or they actually think South Africa as a country is AFRICA as a whole? Can someone please help me educate this lost souls...about what PANAFRICANISM is? The narrow nationalist ideology they have forged with slowly isolate them more just like the days when the WHITE MASTERS DOMINATED them....but offcourse they forget what they went through and what it meant to be the oppressed and have an oppressor...Now they are not only the OPRESSOR..they are coming for people that are not in anyway their enemy...
I am happy I am not the only one who can clearly see this.
LeSudAfricaine: I know about the highest number of graduates blah blah! But as soon as any African touches Heathrow airport, degrees and Phd's are the last thing on that country's authorities minds. And who is to blame?
They have to be screened. Nothing wrong with that. Something your government need to emulate if you ask me.
LeSudAfricaine: I still stand for what i said, No Motswana will be lynched for being a Motswana, I'm a Motswana myself, how will they know if I'm a South African motswana or a motswana from Botswana ?
We have Ndebele South Africans,
We have Venda people who are South Africans
We have Tsogan/Shangaan who are on the South African side too.
Strange, How would the attackers know which one is on the SOUTH AFRICAN SIDE EITHER
LeSudAfricaine: Take the South Africans out of the equation, the question is who likes Nigerians? Let's be honest, which country welcomes Nigerians with open arms? Your reputation precedes you where ever you go! It's not a South African thing but a global one, so stop making this about South African blacks! If you were so enterprising how come you country is in the state it's in?why do you feel the need to be enterprising on foreign lands but your own? Hardwork is not exclusive to Nigerians, let's be real for once! You say tha we are Xenophobic and yet you say you marry our women at ano alarming rate, aren't the women also supposed to be Xenophobic?
Lets take South AFrica out of the equation.
Almost every other country welcomes Nigerians with open arms (apart from South Africa). What they do not welcome is Nigerians who engage in illicit and illegal acts as any country should not.
By share numbers, Nigerians constitute the highest number of immigrant graduates with Masters, PHD's and the likes in the US, The UK and the likes. Gestimates would put about 10 million Nigerian diasporans outside the country and likewise less that 1 % of them involved in criminal activities.
but then again the Nigerians should look themselves in the eye while the SAffers get a pass on Xenophobia.
ololo12: You guys have failed to answer my question. I'm going to ask again. Is it possible for an African to be an illegal immigrant in an African country? it doesn't make any sense. You see Europeans in other European countries, but they aren't called illegals or foreigners. What happened to Africa for Africans?
Yes it is if you take into account the existence of countries within a continent. This applies to every know country. The difference is there are measures developed nations such as Europe have taken to integrate their countries, create one currency and allow for free flow of goods and services based on on par economic well being.
Africa is unique in recent history in that it has shared in the destructive advent of colonialism and racism and therefore is required to band together as a force because it fights the same common enemy. This is intelligent and is what needs to happen regardless of the concept of nation building.
So yes you can be considered an illegal immigrant within a sovereign state but there should be a certain level of economic movement of both capital, labor, goods and services freely across borders.