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V0lv0:
This is the same stance that South Africans are fighting for. Why can't you open up your own malls and shops etc and employ your locals(job creation) that way the money can stay in Nigeria and not flow out. Nobody deserves to be murdered and killed. There are other ways of dealing with foreigners if they want then to go. There are so many illegal immigrants in America but they are not getting this treatment. Even the worst SA criminals are not getting treated as such. Best thing would be To put SA on sanctions like how they did with the apartheid government otherwise xenophobia/afrophobia will continue to get worse and worse. Those that can go home should go home or try and save up money so that the can start something back home.

Sister, to be frank, even if every immigrant leaves South Africa, their situation will not change because the root cause of their problems are not Black foreign immigrants. If their government cannot figure out how to solve their issues now, what will be the difference when they leave.

They continue to complain that immigrants are draining their resources. These same immigrants pay taxes indirectly into the hands of their government whether they operate in the informal sector or not plus the fact that in total there cannot be more that 5 million immigrants in the country against 49 million black South Africans. If you extrapolate what the immigrants put in versus what they take out, you are left with very little resource being shifted over to them.

but try explaining that math to an illiterate from the township. Go figure!

mmmustapha:
dstv

South African artists being affected, cannot perform in Zimbabwe and their workers in Mozambic cannot go to work in SASOL

Nigeria please retaliate, My African brothers, please retaliate as hard as you can and show these people, they cannot get away with this behavior.

VIVA PAN AFRICANISM!!

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pharmow:
Let's not take this issue with kids glove.Xenophobia happening in SA presently is incomparable to tribal bashing on social media you're talking about. I'm very sure that after the Oba's comment A yoruba man still go to ladipo or Alaba to buy goods from an Igbo man, and an Igbo man still go to Iya Basira to buy rice or amala. They were just words of the mouth and the few that have hatred for other tribes are just dying in silence. Even if Agbaje had won, nothing would have happened to the Igbos. Let's not bring sentiments into this and let's all join hands together to frown at this madness perpetrated by South Africans

See them in action

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iterator24:
As a Nigerian residing and working in SA, I'll call a spade a spade. 'Many' south africans are xenophobic! yes... that stench is always in the air, even when you find yourself amongst the learned ones. Yes, i understand our people do drugs here and use their girls for prostitution, and they paint 'all' Nigerians by those vices as an excuse .. this acts not unique to nigerians here, there are over 800 south africans in foreign jails for drug related offenses too...
on the local level, little are prepared to give you a fair shake even if morals is by your side..
now see how defensive they are today, 'we aint xenophobic'; 'not all south africans are xenophobic'
you see how generalization cause damages? i saw this coming.

The stench is in the air my bros.

Isolation really turns people into animals.

In the word of DR DR_CHronic 2001.... "When you let animals out cages, its dangerous to people who look like strangers"

TonySpike:
Bro, a number of those pictures are false. Yes, there are agitations for foreigners to leave the informal sector. I can't blame South African citizens though. This is a country where over 50% of the active population are unskilled. A large population of migrants from Congo and Malawi tend to be unskilled also. This is inadvertently placing pressure on the limited job offers for South Africa's unskilled populace. To complicate matters, the SA economy has been taking severe economy beatings over the past two years. The ruling government there seems to have lost grip and have been struggling to 'fix' the economy for almost 21 years in power. if you are I think SA should take a cue and vote out the current government instead of facing helpless foreigners. On a serious note, South Africa has trained thousands of foreigners, funding their postgraduate studies for over 12 years. This too, has elevated the research profile of SA with it being the only country in Africa among the top 3% of best Universities in the world.

Many Nigerian Soldiers died in Sierra leone and Liberia fighting the RUF and rebel forces. They contributed to the peace the country enjoys today. Are we jumping up and down broadcasting it to the world.

Kenyans were attacked and over 100 of their students killed, They did not retaliate against ethnic Somalis living among them.

Why are these people looting, displacing families and causing havoc. Their governments failure has nothing to do with economic migrants in the country and they should not get a pass because they have done the things you mention above. There are ways of ensuring that you curtail immigration into the country. South Africa is not the only country handling a mass of immigrants into their borders.

TonySpike:
Finally, the situation is not as sordid as the pictures being posted online. Most of these mass actions happen around Durban townships like Umlazi, Isipingo and KwaMashu. These is where very low income-earners reside. But reports reaching indicate that it is gradually spreading to Gauteng.

I believe the government is overwhelmed with issues they are clueless to resolve and are passively in support of these uprisings as an excuse. Every response to their issues are aggression. Pulling down of statues, black foreigners, Land redistribution. The people have bent up anger and are looking for any excuse to lash out.

Look at the statement their minister of home affairs made right after the attacks and his demeanor and you will understand what I am talking about. If they want to these immigrants gone then make it a policy but get ready for retaliation and reparcussions. YOU CANNOT EAT YOUR CAKE AND HAVE IT AT THE SAME TIME

shikena!

14:
Its a pity if you will go that route.
But i doubt if you will find any South African in your country. South Africans dont travel outside their borders. Even those compnanies in other african countries, are not managed by south africans.
At the end of it, we say "DOWN WITH XENOPHOBIA" Lets love one another

There is reason "BLACK" South Africans don't travel outside their borders a lot. They are not exposed, They lack financial means and most are just getting used to moving around their country 20 years into free movement.

You can say the same thing about African Americans who are the least AMericans to own passports. They are too busy trying to get theirs in their own country they rarely go anywhere else.

BluIvy:
Ousie wee! DSTV is not for poor people, if you cannot afford it please port to NTA or whatever. This noise about a luxury offering that is not by force to subscribe to, is now irritating.

****DSTV MUST GO!**** in south African accent.

BluIvy:
Are reflecting from the topic?Until Botswana makes a evacuation of Batswana, lets stick to the evacuation of Nigerians for now.
Why do I sense anger in you about this evacuation? I thought it would be welcomed? Or am I wrong?

You are wrong.

Sorry!

BluIvy:
True dat! Now evacuate Nigerians from the land of the vampires & blind bats. Or you just get an orgassssm by just insulting SA? Here is an opportunity to do good towards our country men, NO!!!! Instead lets insult the SA?
NICE ONE!

Wena. you are outnumbered here.

persius555:
As foreign financial support from australia, UK, america continues to dwindle, the south african economy now depends a lot more than before for foreign exchange repatriated by its franchise companies in other african countries like kenya, nigeria, ethiopia, ghana, congo etc. On the otherhand, the south african local manufacturing and service economy is 90 percent dominated by its local firms. If the rest of africa decides to pull the plug, the south african economy would be worse off for it. Africa needs africans for growth. These attacks are a disgrace to the entire global black race. Very unafrican.

Please let them isolate themselves like they did under their Apatheid government. Its just history repeating itself again.

Apatheid.....ANC.....Apatheid......ANC.

Can't tell the difference these days.

BluIvy:
That is the way to go! But I am afraid you guys are just all talk but no action.

Tell them to repatriate you back as well, The road to Botswana no far at all. Make sure you use your Botswana passport as well.

babosky2008:
Pep
chicken republic

Ocean basket!,

Nandos...Oops sorry Nandos don run comot already!

donnypool:
A typical southern Nigerian? you are on ugly soul. The idiots perpetuating all crimes abroad are either Ibo, or Yoruba people. Even the Hausa's are well behaved than your guys.

Diverting away form the issue and trying to make this tribal.

Reverse psychology in play.

In Nigeria we have Kalabari, Akwa Ibom, Efik, Ibbira, Edo, Benin, Berom, Ibo, Ijaw and the likes. NO be only Hausa dey here!

osystein:
Compared to the 2008 violence, do you think the situation is worse or as bad?

I was there in 2008. In comparison 2008 was much worse. The government sent in police much quicker this time

MzansiBeat:
Just stay in your own slum kind of a country and get the hell out of other peoples countries period. Then you have nothing to complain about. If that's all what you believe SAcans so be it. You have Boko Haram, the rescue of the Chibok girls, and mosquitoes to worry about. Just stay in your prison of a country and refrain from sniffing with your big-flat charcoal noise. If you are tired of sniffing drugs, pound some yam and sniff it.

Likewise tell your greed companies to pack their load and leave Nigeria. The blood suckers are looking for money as well they can make and repatriate back to you in South Africa.

Please tell them to stay in South Africa and do business as well.

While you are at it, tell all those Europeans who are illegal in cape town and johanesburg to leave the country immediately and stop setting up bread and breakfasts around the country

ugojamali:
Sometimes you should read news online. Google and you'll see stories of everyday suffering Nigerians go through in foreign countries in the name of survival. They die and are subjected to all forms of abuse, insult and pain. It's not survival. It's foolishness. A typical southern Nigerian would prefer to pack shit in south Africa than drive an air conditioned cab in Nigeria. Why? Just because he wants to brag that he's living in south Africa. Once again it's not survival... It's foolishness.

I agree 100%

BluIvy:
Very welcomed idea! Only that Nigeria will always talk but never follow up with action.

They need to evacuate you back to your fatherland as well

tablu:
No need to evacuate, the dust will clear! And I bet u not many nigerians will be willin to return in a hurry! Remember SA is amongst the most developd countries in africa they will figure out a way to sought the problem!

Evacuate the ones that are not doing anything there.

I propose they evacuate all Nigerians out of the country and in retaliation ban all South African multi national companies from operating in Nigeria and revoke all licences

In addition ban all South African artists scheduled to perform any where in Africa and all SA workers and send them back home to SA

BOycott all South African products.

BOYCOTT SAA airlines

BOY COTT Shoprite


All other affected African countries should follow suite.

In the words of my guy 9ice_ LEts go there!

donodion:
Bruv,with all sincerity, please accept my thanks and apologies.I once posted a topic that irked you and you set the record straight (I'm sure you will remember)... After that period,i mingled with some less privileged countrymen and my eyes were opened what they go through.
Sincerely not all Saffers are bad, but worst encounter have always come from fellow black South Africans...unfortunately.

I have never said all South Africans are bad people. That is generalization. I have worked with many of them. ( I am actually a good friend of a blogger named Khaya Dlanga since 2007) and will never belittle myself into HATING anyone and I urge you not to go down to that level. These kinds of people are tortured souls but when you see evil you call it out lOUD and CLEAR instead of making up excuses to cover up your shame, before you get another RWANDA or CONGO on your hands!!!

WYman2:
cc morpheus24,iterator24,all4naija
I want you to give attention,to this thread.
www.nairaland.com/2259034/xenophobia-view-nigerian-living-sa
See how our brother is defending xenophobic attacks on fellow africans

I am on it.

edwife:
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Mugabe, my GUY!

MzansiBeat:
....AND THIS IS THE KIND OF STEREOTYPICAL ATTITUDE THAT SAcans CAN NEVER TOLERATE. YOU COME TO THEIR COUNTRY AND INSULT THEM LABELING THEM AS LAZY!!! HOW DARE YOU! IF THEY WERE LAZY, WHO'S KEEPING THE COUNTRY WELL MAINTAINED? ARE FOREIGNERS DOING THAT? DON'T BLAME SAçans BUT YOURSELVES AND YOUR STINKING ATTITUDES WHEN THEY REACT LIKEWISE.

So labeling you as lazy now justifies you running an looting peoples stores.

Why can't you acknowledge that there is an underlining anger that has been brewing in your nation because of promises made by your ANC government to redistribute wealth to the poor and unskilled who have been waiting for these handouts.

In come the foreigners who somehow are able to adapt and use limited resources to establish and turn profits

Jealousy grows and excuses are made on your part because of the lack or failure or your under skilled or unskilled to compete against this so called "black foreign invasion"

YOu have White foreigners flooding cape town and other towns in south Africa setting up bread and breakfasts and other types of businesses, circumventing immigration laws and the likes but no mere mention of them in your rage. They get a pass as "TOURISTS" or "EXPATS" or you are simply afraid to touch them because you know the powers that be will come after you so you attack the weak.

You have your local whites hiring so called black foreigners in all types of business yet you have not stormed their areas to protest or loot.

Your government is so clueless that they are finding a hard time abiding by human rights laws they signed in accordance to harbouring refugees, controlling immigration and running the rest of government activities. Tell them to give up and give the power back to the DA_White run government if they can't handle the heat.



EXCUSEs! EXCUSEs! EXCUSEs!

donodion:
Are you sure about this?....I've been here a while and i disagree with your opinion on this.

The boy is looking for excuses left right center

First they were taking your jobs

Then they were taking your women

Then they were selling drugs to your kids

Then they were opening up spaza shops and crafts shops, reducing prices and outsmarting you in business.

NOW it is they do not want to mingle with us.


Bunch of excuses to justify the locals anger and not being able to compete within the South African economic system. If you didn't know how to do it before the Foriegners, you damn sure aint gonna be able to do it after.

all4naija:
CamilloA is the same identifier as Kwametut. You cannot hide your Ghanaian nature in your writing from me. Please, nobody should take him serious.

Mod is already dealing with him

14:
In which country?
The very same poor South Africans aren't the ones giving them economic opportunity. Unless foreigners start respecting South Africans in their own country, things like these will always come up everytime. How do you insult your host day in and day out and expect no retaliation. I am not supporting this xenophobia or Afrophobia, whatever you wanna call it. But i blame both sides, south africans and foreigners. How do you go to America and start insulting americans, instead of blending in with the local communities and become part of them. The biggest mistake foreigners make in South Africa, is to isolate themselves. It becomes "Them and us".Foreigners have no close contact with their host, hence we have this issue on our hands. Even zimbabweans who are very close to South africa, isolate themselves. South Africans by their nature, are very sceptical about the unknown, there is more education that needs to happen both sides. Whats happening is just an embarrasment to the black race. We have 400 africans dying trying to cross to Italy, whats wrong with us. Are we a hopeless race?
I have to commend the Ghanaians, Batswanas, basothos, zwasis, zambians, they blend easily to local communities, the rest, they keep their distance hailing insults to their host. Its rare to find a Nigerian, zimbabwean, mozambican, congolese, ethiopian or somalians with a South African friend, it does not happen, why?

That is why you guys need to be more exposed, cause the rubbish you just spewed shows you know nothing about immigration and are again looking for St.tupid excuses to display your frustrations at your self loathing and the inability of your government to solve your issues. If you look at every single migration of people anywhere including that or your boers, people always group up as a "community" first before intermingling with the locals. Its a natural human tendency to do this.

Even Africans that end up in other countries such as China create a community within a community. Why are the Chinese not butchering them. You travel to the US, the UK you see communities of Africans within an area. Why are the locals not killing them. Nigerians hang with Nigerians, Liberians with Liberians, Congolese with Congolese yet they are able to display a mutual respect for each other. THey don't have to like each other, as long as there is respect. This is the reason you have places like little Haiti, Little Havana, CHina town in other countries. Do you normally see Nigerians hanging out with Ethiopians yet there is a mutual respect or at least they cross each other with no beef. Do you see Congolese hanging out with Ghanaians, yet there still is a mutual respect.

Can you mention a derogatory term used by other Africans for Africans such as your "makwerekwere". We identify ourselves based on nationality

The problem with you people is you have been so isolated from other Africans that you see them as a threat when they band together. You see them coming into your community and outsmarting you. You see they have international connections and are able to do business well while your unskilled men and women don't know what to do . This is where your hatred and jealousy comes from.

The only thing being insulted here is your intelligence when you react like animals to your OWN SELF HATRED by trying to destroy what you don't understand.

Please spare us the gibberish

Great article. I have been echoing this all along

The attacks on migrant shop owners in Durban this week reminds us the position of foreigner in South Africa is a complex one. After decades of isolation from the rest of the African continent, and the world, during apartheid, South Africa finally opened up to the rest of world in 1994.

Under apartheid, South Africa’s immigration mirrored the narrow mindedness and prejudice of the National Party. Several laws made visiting or living in South Africa unpalatable to many. Particularly those of non-European descent.

At the dawn of the “new South Africa” in 1994, the country became home to many outsiders playing a key role in offering protection and refuge to people who had suffered unfavorable conditions in their home countries.

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At the heart of South Africa’s complex problem with xenophobia is the loaded meaning of the term “foreigner.” Pejoratively, the term “foreigner” in South Africa usually refers to African and Asian non-nationals.

“Other” foreigners—particularly those from the Americas and Europe go unnoticed—they are often lumped up with “tourists,” or even better, referred to as “expats.”

It is this reason why the South African government says its hesitant to call the recent attacks on foreign nationals as xenophobic.



Is it “Afrophobia” or xenophobia?

Many South Africans look at the attacks on enterprising African immigrants from Somalia, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Mozambique, Nigeria and Malawi—often running shops, stalls and other businesses in the informal economy—and resolve that the current attacks on foreigners are more afrophobic, than xenophobic.



Many ask: “Why is it that a Somali man can run a shop in a township, get raided and beaten up, while a white immigrant in town continues to run a restaurant full of patrons?”



It is this delineation that breeds ground for denial.


While this sentiment may be correct—that the violent expression of xenophobia in South Africa is meted out mainly against African immigrants – it is unhelpful to resolve the crisis that has left many foreign nationals homeless, tortured and dispossessed.


While we can ascribe the attacks to sentiments of Afrophobia, we must be willing to agree that the attacks are fuelled by a sense of hatred, dislike and fear of foreigners – and that is xenophobia. And given the fact that foreign nationals from Pakistan and Bangladesh have been profiled in this wave of attacks, it will soon no longer be enough for South Africans to cry “Afrophobia.”


A hangover from the past, fueled by present

South Africa’s xenophobia reflects the country’s history of isolation. As a country at the Southern most tip of Africa, South Africans are fond of referring to their continental counterparts as “Africans” or “people from Africa.” Many business ventures, news publications and events—aimed at local audiences—routinely speak about “going to Africa.”



Of course this narrow-mindedness, suffered by both black and white South Africans, is a by-product of apartheid. For black people, apartheid was an insidious tool used to induce self-hate and tribalize people of the same race. For white South Africans, apartheid was a false rubber-stamp of the white race as superior.


It is these two conceptions that gave rise to the myth that South Africa is not part of the African continent, but a different place that just happens to be on the tip of the continent.

Long after the scourge of apartheid, it is also clear that we’re fueling this prejudice in the present.

It remains to be seen whether South Africans will break away from these shackles, and rid themselves of this horrid prejudice anchored in our past, but seemingly fuelled by our present.





http://qz.com/384041/why-black-south-africans-are-only-attacking-foreign-africans-but-not-foreign-whites/

samtol4:
SA government now finding way to pacify the local looters

What are they doing, passing out free government checks??

Onge:
I joined nairaland because I enjoy sharing views with other African, and I can tell you I am very ashamed of what is happening to my country and I pray that all these xenophobic attacks stop, when I watch the news and I see my brothers and sisters being treated like animals it breaks my heart I am a South African and I love each and every African as if they were my siblings because I belong to this continent and I wish our brothers and sisters from other African countries may know that the are South Africans who love them genuinely and who are against Xenophobia.

We know the true Saffers who are pan African and we salute them any day. In the spirit of Uhuru, make we dance small.

VIVA AFRICA!!

Jealous haters and envious ba.sta.rds will continue to see us shine!

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14:
mmmmhh, The very same Nigerians, Ethiopians and Egyptians are still flocking to the very poor South Africa, how ironic.

Restructure that statement. 'The very same Nigerians, Ethiopians and Egyptians are utilizing opportunities poor South Africans can't figure out yet.

ololo12:
Illegal immigrant in Africa? soilsista! Africa belongs to Africans. There shouldn't be anything as illegal immigrant. Africans can only be illegal immigrant in other continent. I don't see an European being illegal in Europe. Please do away with that kind of mentality. How come when Madiba was alive, he kept saying Africa is for Africans. And never said anything about illegal immigrants.

When Madiba said Africa, he meant South Africa.

InMyOpinion:
They also attack people from Zimbabwe and other countries from Southern Africa. Xenophobia in SA does not spare anyone my friend

That's what I don't get, Why are you looting peoples shops. These illegal foreigners are making a living selling stuff. They are illegal Yes!, but they are not criminal in nature.

If you are pissed then attack the people who are selling drugs, attack your local prostitutes, why are attacking people who are making a living

See video for problems with South African Xenophobia

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