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shdemidemi: This is exactly where the problem lies, you have quoted the scriptures quite rightly but the book of revelation has nothing to do with This gospel of Grace or the present church. The book of revelation is the dispensation of works and not the Holy Spirit, the jews would have to work through perilous times to be saved.

Tgirl4real: hahahahaha...

Whatz d difference between doing the works of God and living the life of God.

All na semantics my brother.

Jesus is our example, how did he live?

Tgirl4real: lol.

And who could that be?


@ Goshen,

Continue what exactly? I'm not ignorant of what you posted, neither did I say I don't know what scriptures say about Grace n salvation.

I will only leave you with this scripture:

Ephesians 2:8-10King James Version (KJV)

"For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:9Not of works, lest any man shouldboast.10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them."

It's a complete package. U are saved so that you will do the works of your father just like your master Jesus Christ.

Tgirl4real: Eku ile o.

How una dey?

If una no miss me..me sef no miss you.

christemmbassey: d only meaningfull post u'v ever made, that's TRUE,KEEP IT UP.

christemmbassey: child dedication is NOT A CHRISTIAN PRACTICE, d fraudstars who collect tithe uses it as another tool to steal from ppl. WE DON'T DO CHILD DEDICATION IN OUR CHURCH.

Goshen360: Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: Matthew 23:2

The verse 2 follow up to verse 1 on what Christ SAID TO THE MULTITUDE AND TO HIS DISCIPLES. Christ is about to start a 'teaching', so to say or an 'instruction'. To who? The multitudes and to his disciples. Disciples are simple followers of Christ. Therefore, at this very time Christ spoke to his disciples, the 12 primarily but by extension, we can say, it extended to Christians because we, Christians are followers of Christ.

Now, Christ brought in the scribes and the Pharisees. Who are the scribes and who are the Pharisees?

The scribes are those learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred writings, an interpreter, teacher. Scribes examined the more difficult and subtle questions of the law; they added to the Mosaic law decisions of various kinds thought to elucidate its meaning and scope, and did this to the detriment of religion. Since the advice of men skilled in the law was needed in the examination in the causes and the solution of the difficult questions, they were enrolled in the Sanhedrin; and are mentioned in connection with the priests and elders of the people. They are religious teacher of the Mosaic law: so instructed that, from his learning and ability to teach advantage may redound to the kingdom of heaven

The Pharisees are sect that seems to have started after the Jewish exile. In addition to OT books the Pharisees recognized in oral tradition a standard of belief and life. They sought for distinction and praise by outward observance of external rites and by outward forms of piety, and such as ceremonial washings, fasting, prayers, and alms giving; and, comparatively negligent of genuine piety, they prided themselves on their fancied good works. They held strenuously to a belief in the existence of good and evil angels, and to the expectation of a Messiah; and they cherished the hope that the dead, after a preliminary experience either of reward or of penalty in Hades, would be recalled to life by him, and be requited each according to his individual deeds. In opposition to the usurped dominion of the Herods and the rule of the Romans, they stoutly upheld the theocracy and their country's cause, and possessed great influence with the common people. According to Josephus they numbered more than 6000. They were bitter enemies of Jesus and his cause; and were in turn severely rebuked by him for their avarice, ambition, hollow reliance on outward works, and affection of piety in order to gain popularity.

Alwaystrue: Titus 2:11-14
11 For the GRACE of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men,
12 teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly in the present age,
13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
14 who gave Himself for us, that He might redeem us from every LAWLESS deed and purify for Himself His own special people, zealous for good works.

Goshen360: Who is talking about government law here? Is traffic law in the law of Moses? What is wrong with you that you can't comprehend simple message? Are Christians given the laws that was given to Moses for Israel? If you think so, then give us scriptures. Thank you.

Goshen360: Because God took away one (the law covenant) to establish the new (the covenant of Grace). People keep teaching laws of Moses to Christians not knowing they are teaching Christians or giving them strength and ability to sin more. Law is the strength of sin. So, you ser someone hammering on law, such have the strength of sinning. Christ is the CURE FOR SIN not the law of Moses!!!

obadiah777: what Goshen lacks is application. his scripture and topics do not address or reference whats happening in the world today. he has one of these fantasy doctrines that stays in a vacuum of its own and is totally unrelated and unconnected to the world we live in

obadiah777: * cough* heresy *cough*

Logicboy03: One trick pony!


Everything na law law law with you.

Moses law
Old testament law and grace
judaizer law.



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Goshen360: 1. Salvation is of the Jews truly but that was BEFORE the Cross. The Cross, death and resurrection of Christ that began the New Covenant is the difference. That's the revelation and victory of the finished works that Christians are to believe in. It's all done by Christ.

2. The Law had been fulfilled, why are many Christians still trying to keep what has been fulfilled or done by Christ? That's trying to resurrect the works of the law and do the law against or keep it by ourselves. Then such Christians are saying, the finished works is not enough, and such are fallen from Grace.

Grace be multiplied unto all. The End. We can continue our discussion thereafter now.

Goshen360: Again, the practices of the law was still in force then. Jesus was rebuking the scribes and pharisees, not his teaching his disciples. If you think Christ was addressing the church, in that verse, then put your name in Matthew 23:23 and re-read it and listen to how it sounds.

Goshen360: Jesus could not have received tithe because Hebrews 7 says so. Samuel's priesthood is a type and shadow of believer's priesthood. Christ is our high priest and priest don't pay tithe to high priest, even under the law. As for David, don't even go there because, if I show you sometimes about David now and do teaching with it, I'm sure you will not agree with me.

obadiah777: and lets not forget dbanj and wizkid. they deserve some blame too Sire

debosky: They who were sealed - 12,000 each from each of the tribes of Israel, not angels, are the 144,000. Rev 7 even goes as far as talking about the 4 angels before talking about the 144,000. Clearly John didn't find it difficult to write angel and would have done so if he meant that when describing the 144,000

Secondly, they were later described in Revelations 14 as those having the name of the father and son written on their foreheads - not angels. Nowhere are we told that angels have the name of the father and son written on them.

Respectfully, sire you do err.

obadiah777: what makes you an angel ? instructions and messages are programmed ( sealed ) into you. its as simple as that

the definition of an angel is a messenger

TinyPurpleBaby: Top of the morning people!!!

debosky: Sire you do err. . . .this your claim that they are 'wrapping the verse up in mystery' is simply a cop out whenever a verse doesn't agree with your current constructions.

There is nowhere in the scripture where the number of angels is stated specifically.

obadiah777: indeed sire. always good to have an enlightened fellow to further confound the gainsayers. as scripture says >>>>>>>

matthew 18 vs 16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

Goshen360: @ Pastor Olu T,

My brother, I'm OUT TO DESTROY THE LAW, of Moses because I have a deeper revelation and truth on it. If Christians understand the LAW is man trying to do something for God instead of Graciously receiving what God is doing for man. The Law is the covenant initiated by MAN, the people of Israel, NOT God. I humbly invite you to Alexleo's thread where I'm currently doing a teaching on what you requested or thinking to open a thread for. Some people might not read the teaching there because it's inside Alex's thread here: https://www.nairaland.com/1453408/teaching-presented-law-grace-please

Goshen360: Bidam,

I also invite you to the above Alex's thread. You will understand why the Old covenant based on the LAW was discontinued and brought to an end. It's a systematic teaching I'm doing in that thread.

philfearon: Dude,i only rated his(obadiah777) I.Q.....and i dont remember insulting Mosthigh,and i remember i was ignoring him till i decided it was enough.......
You guys are the one the one ranting "stiff necked scoffers" all around the thread!
Since u cant even comprehend the simple things i have writing on this thread,i wonder how you Comprehend the Holy Bible!

MEILYN: i didnt insult u, i only gave you an advice sire.. oh, u were the one calling Obadiah a m.o.r.o.n and an illiterate. U insulted brother mosthigh too.. I no know say advice dey pain you like this oo, if i come insult you nnko?

philfearon: A simple Yes or No!! YOU CAN RUN ROUND THE WHOLE OF NIGERIA IF YOU WANT,but my answer still requires a simple Yes or No!!.....
Or are u confused like your Cohort too?
Finally,i can and will call u "bro" if i deem it fit!

philfearon: A Simple Yes or No bro!! Your cohort Obadiah777 is more comprehensible than you i see......He was clever enough to just say "yes",Okwu ebie!....

philfearon: A simple "YES" or "NO" could have been better....Dont u think so?

obadiah777: james 1 vs 8 A double-minded man is unstable in all his ways. i always knew philfearon was an unstable lad lol