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m.k.o2005:
Love ur neighbor is not a synonym of 'not telling the truth' ! Christianity is not stupidity !

God help us

kolado: On a lighter note, i read your post with sick feeling of suspense from the outset;especially the first gambit of your post though you were making sense not until you got to the middle and the end, you're just kind of missing it out. Let me test your Legal knowledge:Assuming Mr. A is an hunter who goes on a hunting expedition whenever he desires to do so. One night he went to hunt for antelopes and on his way home he saw a big bird on top of a tree quite some distance from where he was and shot at it thinking it was a bird. As hard luck would have it on him, it was a human being which he only got to know after he killed the supposed bird from the groanings. What offence would you charge him with?

kingbang: I think most folks are getting this premeditation thing wrong. Premeditation can happen in seconds, you don't have to sit down and take hours to think it through. As long as it is done voluntarily and intentionally, it sticks. You can decide to kill someone in seconds. Hope this clears it up! Am out!!!

You just failed it!!

Premeditation is not a matter of seconds.. Can one meditate in a second?!

You are mixing up everything you know and forming one big salad of ideas..

Planning = Premeditation

One sec decision = Spur of the moment.


An enraged man cannot have clear and rational thought.. He just goes with the flow of his rage.. #FACT!


Ever wondered why the jury found it hard to find Zimmerman guilty?!

kingbang: 1.If you happen to kill someone with punches during a fight, it can be called "manslaughter".
2.Whether he hit him on the chest changes nothing as long as the prosecutors can prove that grave harm was done intentionally which could have led to death.
3.Am neither the jury nor the judge here but from that video, the prosecutors can easily make that charge stick.

Thank you

Now know this sir;

If I walk into a room with the intention of killing you and punch you in the head till you drop dead, I will be charged with premeditated murder not manslaughter.. #ASK ANY LAWYER!

Reason being that I already had intent to kill and proceeded to act on that intent..

If we are fighting and in the middle of the fight we push down a desk and in the process of our fight, i pick up a stick, smash you across your head and you die.. Its manslaughter... Not murder. Reason: Because I couldnt have planned to kill you in the middle of a fight..

LAW 101...


Go find out the difference between Manslaughter and Murder. The difference is simply 'Intent'.

jodeci: Please how long does it take to premeditate? Can it be done in a split second of rage?

kingbang: Then its premeditated sir! You can ask for the definition from a renowned lawyer. If he were holding a mace, and the dudes charges at him and he smashes his head with it, it can pass as a self defense. But not this sir, he had a plan before picking up the mace.

kingbang: You obviously don't know the meaning of premeditated bros. I give up.

BrightCar: WHY IS THE POLICE OFFICER THAT ALSO TOOK PART IN THE BRUTALITY OF CHINDA NOT COURT MARTIALED OR CHARGED TO COURT AS WELL?

Because the Police intends to charge them as 'accomplices to attempted murder'..

kingbang: BS!!! You don't have to walk into a place with a weapon to premeditate murder, you can be inside that room and do that which is what Lloyd did. You are a disgrace to the legal profession ( assuming you are a lawyer).

theoctopus: I have been giving the guy free lecture since morning. I thought he wasn't just getting it. Now I realise he can't actually get it. By the way, he is an engineer.

kingbang: No wonder our judicial system is messed up, with peeps like you as lawyers. 1. The deliberate purpose was to kill using the mace as a weapon. 2. He considered a weapon and went for the mace. It wasn't forced into his hands, he picked it up himself. If that aint premeditated then you need to go back to school dude.

I am not a lawyer sir.. Just that Aboki who shines your shoe..

Plus why are you getting so riled up?! This is a simple debate. You really need to chill the fvck out or get therapy.

kingbang: Are you high? Are you just a charge and bail lawyer? He looked around, saw the mace, walked towards it and picked it up, then started smashing the dude's head with it. That's PREMEDITATED! gosh!

kingbang: I am not a Lawyer but i just discussed this with a SAN relative of mine. He confirmed that the police can really make a case of an attempted murder stick. Picking up a mace and raining deadly blows on someone is quite premeditated.

ckkris: Or, better still, to the Oracles of Ogwugwu

My guy, abeg no blow my cover..

wirinet: Mr Octopus, we appreciate you taking time off you busy schedule to freely educate us on legal matters, but as a lawyer you should be first to acknowledge law is not black and white.

Is he really a lawyer?!

theoctopus: Why do you repeat your ignorance continually? The girl cannot die from the slap!!! Haba, cant you read? They will have to conduct an autopsy to determine the cause of death. The slap cannot be the cause of death. Didnt you see that from the article you posted? It shows, you didnt even read your own article. Further proof that you were just copying and pasting google searches. Haba, help your ignorance now! na wa o!

jude33084: I am a worker too but free today hence my involvement in this matter

I want you to admit that the MURDER CHARGE against him will not work but the rest charges can be use against him, even resulting in sending him to prison but NOT MURDER OR CONSPIRACY TO MURDER

theoctopus: You just use terminologies ignorantly like a lawyer wannabe.

The key word in court is motive. Always remember that word because it could help you one day. Once you prove revenge as motive, then you are as good as done. I will put it in a layman's way for you.

Going by his own story, he was attacked first, he went for treatment, then left the hospital and headed back to the assembly. When he got there, he seize a mace, attacked several people who fled, then 3 men held down a man for him, he raised his mace up in the air and brought it down on the man. simple case for the judge.

styleewhite: na ur type go troway bannana from balcony and comes down to say govt cant clean d streets

jude33084: Too much movies



Pls can somebody tell this guy about our judicial proceedings

I would, but whats the point...

This shiit is just now like comic relief.. I was slowly beginning to feel like a bully!

theoctopus: I knew you have no clue. Just posting Google search results and Wikipedia articles. That is what NL is all about. Ignoramus on rampage! hahahahaha. That is why it always took you like 30 minutes to respond to every of my post. You couldnt even filter the searches.

Heheheheheeeeee..

I couldnt agree more..

theoctopus: Chidi Llyod has provided the most damning proof of intent: revenge. When he keeps shouting he was attacked first, that is proof of revenge.

When 3 men hold down a man on the table and one man raises up a mace to the sky to bring it down on a defenseless person, that is proof of intent right there and that is also a blatant proof of conspiracy. All these aspiring lawyers on NL self. lol. Google and Wikipedia lawyers.

Vengance is not 'intent to kill'...




hahahahahaaaaaa....

kolado: Wow, you've a sound legal application(IRAC).....Where do you school and what level?

Bros I be street Lawyer o!!

Learnt from my aunties, my mum, John Grisham, and now my mother in-la and my wife are both lawyers..

I am an engineer.. But my alter ego is a 'wanna-be lawyer'..

theoctopus: Dud, this is how the court works.

If I slap you and you die, an autopsy will have to be conducted to find out the cause of death because a slap cannot be the cause of death. Obviously, the cause of death will be found. The best you can get in that case is man slaughter.

If I punch you, the same thing will happen except the prosecution can prove that, you were hit is a place in your body that can lead to death or if you are a trained combatant. That is why you have what is called human weapons and military personnel are banned from fighting except as self defense. If a trained military personnel attacks a civilian and kills him and it isnt in self defense, then he will be charged for murder.

An object, like a mace, it capable of causing death and if used during a fight, except you can prove it was in self defense, you can be charged for attempted murder or murder.

theoctopus: Though is sounds silly to respond to the above, I will still respond for record purposes. A slap is not capable of causing death. Neither is a punch capable of causing death except you can prove the person was hit in a very dangerous place like his private part or if the attacker is a trained professional like a black belt holder or a trained combatant! A mace is capable of causing death. You are sounding more silly with every post. Leave it alone. I am even helping to break it down for you, that is why you notice I have not been using legal terms. I want people reading it to be able to follow.

Family of Utah soccer referee who died after punch from player holds vigil
Published May 06, 2013

Associated Press

The oldest daughter of the Utah soccer referee who died Saturday a week after a teenage player punched him in the head hopes to forgive the young man who did it -- but not yet.

"I will, but not today; it's too soon," said Johana Portillo, 26, speaking Sunday night at a vigil to honor her father, Ricardo Portillo. "He was a father, he was a friend, he was a grandfather; he left a whole family behind. They should think before they do something stupid."

Police have accused a 17-year-old player in a recreational soccer league of punching Ricardo Portillo, 46, after he called a foul on him and issued him a yellow card.

Portillo died Saturday night after a week in a coma.

Nearly 100 family and friends gathered at a candlelight vigil Sunday night on the front lawn of the Salt Lake City home of Ricardo Portillo. Wearing white shirts and holding signs that read, "In loving memory of Ricky," family and friends stood around a table that had a picture of Portillo raising his arms in victory, with flowers and candles surrounding it.

The suspect, whose name is withheld because he's a minor, has been booked into juvenile detention on suspicion of aggravated assault. Authorities will consider additional charges since Portillo has passed away. An autopsy is planned. No cause of death was released.

Johana Portillo said Sunday she doesn't care what punishment the teenager gets -- saying nothing will bring her father back.

"When he did that, he took a part of me with him," she said, crying. "He took my daddy away from me."

She added: "I feel sorry for him. I feel for his family. But if he was old enough to do what he did, then he's responsible to pay for it."

Pedro Lopez, his brother-in-law and a fellow soccer referee, said the teenager made a mistake and isn't solely to blame. He said he's been involved in soccer his entire life, playing and refereeing, and seen a troubling trend emerge.

"It's not the ignorance of the child, it's the poor manners of the parents," said Lopez in Spanish, who played soccer professionally. "The yells and insults from the sideline from the parents make kids more violent."

Lopez, Johana Portillo and youth soccer coach James Yapias called on athletes around the world to hold their tempers in check so another family doesn't have to suffer -- and to bring something positive from Ricardo Portillo's death.

Yapias, a longtime friend of Ricardo Portillo coach in the same league, said coaches and parents need to do a better job teaching children about sportsmanship and being non-violent. He also called for more police presence at games. Portillo's death is a reminder that life can change in a second, he said.

"We all love this sport," Yapias said. "But we all need to respect the rules."

Johana Portillo said she hopes her father's death leads to more security at sporting events and better self-control from players. She said her father had been attacked by players twice before in his eight years refereeing soccer matches -- even having his ribs and legs broken.

Lopez said players need to respect referees and remember it's a sport meant to relieve stress -- not cause pain.

"Remember that we are human beings, and we make mistakes," Lopez said in Spanish. "Don't take justice into your own hands."

The former professional soccer player said he plans to continue working as a referee. He said leaving it behind would be abandoning his passion. He said he'll do so remembering Ricardo Portillo.

Ricardo Portillo's daughters had begged him to stop refereeing in a soccer league because of the growing risk of violence from angry players. But, like Lopez, Portillo told his daughters he couldn't quit.

"It was his passion," she said. "We could not tell him no."

Now his three daughters are faced with planning his funeral after he succumbed to injuries late Saturday that had put him in a coma for a week since teenager goalie punched him in the head.

Accounts from a police report, Portillo's daughter and others offer further detail what occurred.

The teenager was playing goalie during a game at Eisenhower Junior High School in Taylorsville when Portillo issued him a yellow card for pushing an opposing forward trying to score. In soccer, a yellow card is given as a warning to a player for an egregious violation of the rules. Two yellow cards lead to a red card and expulsion from the game.

The teenager, quite a bit heavier than Portillo, began arguing with the referee, then punched him in the face. Portillo seemed fine at first, then asked to be held because he felt dizzy. He sat down and started vomiting blood, triggering his friend to call an ambulance.

When police arrived around noon, the teenager was gone and Portillo was laying on the ground in the fetal position. Through translators, Portillo told emergency workers that his face and back hurt and he felt nauseous. He had no visible injuries and remained conscious. He was considered to be in fair condition when they took him to the Intermountain Medical Center.

But when Portillo arrived to the hospital, he slipped into a coma with swelling in his brain. Johana Portillo called detectives to let them know his condition had worsened.

That's when detectives intensified their search for the goalie. By Saturday evening, the teenager's father agreed to bring him down to speak with police.

Johana Portillo said she last spoke to him that night before he fell into a coma. She grabbed his hand and told him he was going to be all right. He held her hand tightly and said, "no." Within seconds, doctors ushered her out of the room and he lost consciousness.

She said Sunday night, with tears streaming down her face, that her father will always be in her heart.

"It's going to be very difficult," she said. "But I know he's going to help us from heaven."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/06/family-utah-soccer-referee-who-died-after-punch-from-player-holds-vigil/#ixzz2aWaqpStn

theoctopus: How ignorant can you get. Because a newspaper used that as their article title, does that mean the cause of death was the slap? You are just getting more ridiculous with every post. seriously dud? Do you even understand why autopsies are conducted? jeez!