₦airaland Forum

JoannaSedley:
It goes to show how ignorant you are about the education of others. Technicians and scientists are like BSc and HND, until you understand the difference between them, then we will have a discussion.

Meel:
I never quoted you nor mentioned you, I just cautioned a colleague about you. There is no blessed day that I will go to the health section, and not see you through jabs against other health professional especially Medical Laboratory Scientists.


And you saying that MLS will suffer a major blow, let them punch us first. Last I check , MLs started from Aimlt in Nigeria, to 4 years Bsc Mls to 5 years BMLS. And after intern ship, we start in the civil service from Level9.


But sir, how does growth of other profession affect Drs?? if cleaners decide to become doc of cleaning and clearing, how does that affect me. The sky is big to accommodate everyone , develop your own field. You don't need to look for the down fall of others before you progress.

Jman06:
Assuming the above figures are factual, then the following should be noted:

1. They underwent further trainings upon arrival before being licensed to practice in those countries!

2. They jettisoned the "know it all" mentality of the average Nigerian-trained physician and accepted to work as teammates with other healthcare professionals to serve the patients better.

3.What you have is the statistics for Nigerian trained physicians working abroad, you don't have the figures for other Nigerian healthcare professionals who also practice abroad, so it'll be wrong of you to claim that Nigerian medical doctors are the only ones working abroad.

4.Many Nigerian politicians and elites go abroad to get treated of common ailments because they are aware that lack of teamwork in Nigerian hospitals constitutes a big hindrance to proper healthcare delivery. It is not always about lack of facilities like you are quick to claim.

peterphd:
Naa. We don't know each other. I'm just surprised q doctor has time to play games the way you do.

Jman06:
They can't even properly treat malaria and typhoid!


I laugh at Nigerian medical doctors. They always claim to know it all, yet our politicians and wealthy elites go abroad to treat malaria!

I wish the national assembly could pass a bill making autopsies compulsory for all deaths in our hospitals. It'll help to expose the incompetencies of our medical doctors!!

Meel:
Pls don't give the guy attention, he his a narcissist.


He his always on different threads exhibiting his sadistic attitude. Am not sure he his learned as he claims, because no learned person behaves like that.
He claims to be a Medic, and he his online throwing jabs to diff ppl.

bmlsbmls:
I don't know much about emigration to UK for medical scientists but that of Australia, you can search it out on nairaland. A lot of them are already practicing in Australia

Babybush:
Nigeria health system rates 187/190.Please tell me what crumble means again

Skyken99:
The issue at hand is



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Can u single out Medical Laboratory Science , and explain more on how BMLS certificate is liability in Europe? .
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If you cannot.. Pls STOP Generalising this
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A pharmacist certificate is a liability in Europe, as they
have to do a full 52weeks course to even be considered to
work. In fact no pharmacist can stay in Nigeria and
process working in the UK. Meanwhile several Nigerian
Doctors are being accredited in the comfort of their
country. The part way is even worse for optometrist,
radiographers and lab technicians/scientists.

Thank u

Skyken99:
How has Nigerian health indices changed since medics have bn consultant?

Skyken99:
U r very funny
The question is


Can u single out Medical Laboratory Science , and explain more on how BMLS certificate is liability in Europe? .


And u r asking if I want to be Educated in MLS?


Pls do am waiting Patiently.. Take ur time and do ur research am waiting

Skyken99:
Can u single out Medical Laboratory Science , and explain more on how BMLS certificate is liability in Europe.

Skyken99:
This post is malignant.
Op cut the post off.

AlphaT1:
I never said anything about JOHESU heading hospitals, you are pouring out your bitterness on a wrong person...I talked about the leadership structure of advance hospitals and the process of appointing its leaders...Have you been to JHH or Cleveland Clinic? Even a cleaner there is not as frustrated as a doctor or JOHESU in Nigeria..no JHH doctor or JOHESU will insult their colleague like market women....where are the doctors in Nigeria driving the industry to? To the mud abi? With the worst health indices in the world. The situation here is hopeless and will continue to be so.... instead of NMA and JOHESU to unite and hold the politicians accountable, you are there fighting over trivial issues and braging over driving the industry, which industry? Well, I would love to see change in those death traps called hospitals for the sake of the poor masses...They are death traps coz NMA and JOHESU have contributed in helping politicians to make them so.
Bros if you cross over to this side you will never ever compare those hospitals you are mentioning with Nigeria's, it's like comparing jet age tech with stone age. It is that bad, I mean very very bad..it is quite sad but that's the truth...
I work in a multidisciplinary firm too (HSE-marine) but we don't fight ourselves/colleagues dirty like that, it is unprofessional/unethical..why are you guys (NMA and JOHESU) quick to call people derogatory names? Myopic, rabid dog, slowpoke ...is it coz of the frustration at the country's situation?

I have both JOHESU and NMA member as siblings but fortunately they too have crossed over so they can't fight again.

Thegamingorca:
look at it from the perspective of the questions bein asked at the johesu rep

JoannaSedley:
This your comment bespoke the whole health sector problems? You don't know and you wish not to know. You are so neck deep in quackery that you can spew this thrash. Come on....What da Bleep are you spewing dude.?
Gawd? Do you even know the difference between both? Do you know what technicians and scientist stand for? I mean the difference? Do you even know what they are supposed to do?

bmlsbmls:
biomedical science is the same as medical lab science. there are two forms of biomedical sciences in the U.K, the one accredited by IBMS and the one not accredited. The accredited one is clinically oriented while the other isn't

bmlsbmls:
biomedical science is the same as medical lab science. there are two forms of biomedical sciences in the U.K, the one accredited by IBMS and the one not accredited. The accredited one is clinically oriented while the other isn't

bmlsbmls:
sir, biomedical science is another name for medical laboratory science. Same applies to clinical laboratory science

naijaking1:
I did not fail out of med lab tech or science as you call it. Passed with highest score in bacteriology, practiced for a year before proceeding to medical school where I also excelled. Today, I'm a practicing physician with NY, CT, GA, TX medical licenses. What's you got? JOHESUS

davbravo:
You're wrong.... There's no 3rd class in MLS.... anyone with a CGPA below 2.5 will be withdrawn

Thegamingorca:
I have no problem with that as long as deep down in your hearts you acknowledge it's not the same as mbbs.

As long as you don't have the clinical acumen to clerk and manage patients you are not a doctor

We have always acknowledged your existence.

You don't know that you ppl have always constituted the orthodox TBAs and quacks in our populace? You ppl have always been the ones complicating patient conditions to later refer them to us so that we can profit far more than we would have if the pxs presented earlier.

So in truth we have always acknowledged your faded presence and we really need you to take over the helm of affairs so that we can eat

Napoleondegreat:
Now I understand your pain. You failed out of the medical laboratory Science. Your pain should continue as we have no solution to your bitterness.

AlphaT1:
Bros cool down, I know much about JHH and I just gave you the structure of their leadership, that structure is not found here in Nigeria. I don't have any issue with medics heading hospitals or any organization for that matter but it should be those with experience and qualification. Now do you want us to delve into the qualifications and experience of those medics heading JHH for the past 50yrs and compare with ours in Naija? You calling me myopic is just a proof of what I said earlier; the limited scope of knowledge, understanding and reasoning of a typical Nigerian-the reason being Nigerians don't like reading.
Do you want us to go into the qualifications and leadership experience of our CMDs (in top FG teaching hospitals) one after the other and compare with the CEOs of those advance hospitals you mentioned earlier? At least my uncle was a CMD and he agreed with me that at best they go for 2-5 days management training sessions that they can hardly even remember the topics or titles not to talk of applying it. They only use those 2-5 days or even two weeks trainings for financial benefits, majority of them are not even interested in what the resource persons are teaching.
Before you call me myopic again, CMDs in Naija are political appointments, CEOs of hospitals over here in USA are not.....Are political appointments in Nigeria most of the times, merit based?
Sometimes you would not understand somethings until you travel outside that lawless country.

Thegamingorca:
When the ignorant string words together you wonder if dey even know what dey talk about.


A consultant pharmacist and a consultant physician do not do the same work. Where one is busy offering advice as regards decision making in managing patients, the other does not see the four walls of a ward round neither does he review a patient with tenacity and temerity to profer care. You are confused with your job description.

I suppose you think a consultant economist can carry out orif or follow the atls protocol of resuscitation.


You have failed to realise that a physician was sworn into the only profession were you are given the option of inflicting harm.


Let me be the one to disillusion you from your fantasy that a medical scientist professor dares not handle patients so also a pharmacist is not licensed to manage cases.

Quacks

AlphaT1:
The Nigerian health sector is in shambles, one of the worst in the world. There is no unity between NMA and JOHESU. An average Nigerian does not read and thus has limited scope of knowledge, understanding and reasoning. A medical doctor for instance has just MBBS and fellowship and then feels he is a demigod, all-knowing super-human, with no any other qualification at all; no MBA, MPA , MHM, etc and yet assumes he can manage people and d hospital effectively. He does not even have a diploma or certificate course in management, to him he is too big and that these courses are useless, he has never read a single book on management or leadership to improve himself. A consultant will oppress his juniors, residents will look down on M.Os, Drs will look down on JOHESU, Senior JOHESU members will maltreat junior ones etc etc. And with this typical Nigerian mentality, this consultant (with only MBBS and Fellowship certificates) finds himself in a leadership position (CMD, MD etc) and you are expecting him to perform lolz. Now the structure of the Nigerian health sector is such that you have these MBBS+Fellows or MBBS-only individuals from minsiter of health to CMDs, MDs, CMACs, governing boards etc leading the health sector and you expect any improvement lolz. Five years ago I challenged one of my friends who is an orthopaedic surgeon to read atleast two books per year and to also get some other qualifications, at least one (like an MBA, MPH, a PGD, or MSc etc), he was complaining about time, I asked him if he was busier than Ben Carson, a successful neurosurgeon and an author, he was challenged and he created time for it. Today his MBA has given him the position of country head in an int'l NGO, he is much more fulfilled and happier now.
The CEO of Johns Hopkins Hospital (JHH) that you mentioned has BSc, M.D., fellowship, and a post-doc and has held several positions for many years before being appointed as CEO, so you can't compare him to what's obtainable here in Naija. Even his vice is a nurse with masters. The president of JHH also has an MBA.

Take a look at the leadership of JHH below:

Paul B. Rothman, M.D.
First Corporate Vice Chairman

Kevin W. Sowers, M.S.N., R.N., F.A.A.N.
Second Corporate Vice Chairman

Redonda G. Miller, M.D., M.B.A.
President

Deborah J. Baker, DNP, CRNP
Vice President, Nursing and Patient Care Services

Renee Demski
Vice President for Quality

Amy Deutschendorf
Vice President for Care Coordination and Clinical Resource Management

Kenneth Grant
Vice President, General Services

Peter Hill, M.D.
Vice President, Medical Affairs

Kristena Lukish
Vice President, Human Resources

Sally W. MacConnell
Vice President, Facilities

Stephanie L. Reel
Vice President, Management Systems & Information Services

Charles Reuland, M.H.S, Sc.D
Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer

G. Daniel Shealer Jr., Esquire
Vice President & General Counsel
Assistant Secretary

Daniel B. Smith
Vice President, Finance & Chief Financial Officer

Kathy P. Smith
Vice President, Marketing & Communications

Thomas B. Trzcinski
Treasurer

Gregory P. Miller
Assistant Treasurer

Samuel H. Clark Jr., Esquire
Assistant Secretary

Peter B. Mancino, Esquire
Secretary

phase1:
I have a friend (was my room mate while in medical school) he finished medicine and travelled abroad and was shocked that he would not be even allowed to practice as a phlebotomist (a job below the level of laboratory assistant in the medical laboratory hierachy) without adequate certification. He thought his 'almighty' nigerian MBBS degree covered that already.

mediclife1987:
Very well spoken, you have really tutored me well on what I had no idea about.

I'm really sorry for my outbursts up there. Please kindly pardon me.

This is the way forward.