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Religion / Re: Best Of Logicboy- God Is A Middle Eastern Caveman!!! by MrTroll(m): 8:00pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Who will come to the aid of ALLAH now? 1 Like |
Nairaland / General / Re: HBG Must Go! by MrTroll(m): 7:57pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Religion / Re: Nobody Has And Will Ever Prove That There Is No God by MrTroll(m): 7:55pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Divepen: No matter how atheist bring out researches they can never proof ... |
Nairaland / General / Re: Best Of Logicboy Series........ by MrTroll(m): 7:17pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Joshthefirst: Alfa Seltzer: Deep Sight: una don kolo I swear down! 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by MrTroll(m): 7:16pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
summarize Logicboy03: |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 7:12pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Religion / Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by MrTroll(m): 6:42pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Logicboy03:when? where? |
Religion / Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by MrTroll(m): 6:36pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
wiegraf:my comics is better than yours yours has been corrupted |
Religion / Re: The Evolution Of Morality by MrTroll(m): 6:31pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:bros,.... To answer your question... wiki: The distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum offenses is best characterized as follows: a malum in se offense is "naturally evil as adjudged by the sense of a civilized community," whereas a malum prohibitum offense is wrong only because a statute makes it so. note @bolds...an example of malum prohibitum will be say...don't drive on the right lanes. driving on the right lane after such a law becomes wrong because the law says so. doesn't matter if you are the only road user in the whole country. a malum in se would be...slavery. the civilized community has declared it evil. gbam! obviously, our great great great grand fathers were not civilized its painful to contemplate I know. take heart though, we might become 'uncivilized' to our children in a few centuries from now... Morality evolves DS, just like everything else. 1 Like |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 6:17pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:you simply did not address the second part of my statement. |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 6:16pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:although I said I was tired of arguing on behalf of Plaetton, @bold shows simply...Dogma. Willful Ignorance. I wonder how I could make a statement and you will understand it better than me. I will explain it 10 times and you will still claim that what I said was not what I said but simply something else. I tire... 1 Like |
Religion / Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by MrTroll(m): 6:07pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Logicboy03:why na? we go fire you o! |
Religion / Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by MrTroll(m): 5:27pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
wiegraf: @ihe, so god can make 1 + 1 = 3?what!? you heathen! he used a school boys lunch to feed 5000 men not counting women(seemed then that women were not worth counting ) |
Religion / Re: The Evolution Of Morality by MrTroll(m): 3:58pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:same to you Same statement again - - - see my bold - - - >your warning is redundant DS. how can you pretend not to understand what the definition clearly implies? "a malum in se offense is naturally evil as adjudged by the sense of a civilized community"did you not see the full implication of the statement? THE CIVILIZED COMMUNITY NOT GOD!!! ADJUDGED IT EVIL and as such I, a member of such civilized community per my training will naturally be outraged by the killing of millions of children. if I was a member of the elite in olden times, I might not be outraged by the thought of owning a slave because....see my OP. I ask you, would you consider an earthquake an evil thing? |
Religion / Re: The Non-Christian Chatbox ( sticky ) by MrTroll(m): 3:45pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
LB no sermon today? Edit: post am here o! we need to keep this thread going. |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 3:44pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:Oh! DS, pls don't toe the Ihedinobi path. He made us too, didn't he? every component of our being? |
Religion / Re: Are You In Church Today? Pls Gist Us Today's Money Scam At Your Church. by MrTroll(m): 3:40pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
bolaino: what do you guys seek to gain from all this?We wan go HEAVEN!!! #just kidding, NOT! 1 Like |
Religion / Re: The Evolution Of Morality by MrTroll(m): 3:36pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight: Very good.as usual, you try to coat your strawmen in clever verbiage. this is what I actually read from your link wiki: The distinction between malum in se and malum prohibitum offenses is best characterized as follows: a malum in se offense is "naturally evil as adjudged by the sense of a civilized community"see, @bold. that is my accurate position. every other thing you wrote up there is simply silly. i'm a member of a civilized community, no? |
Religion / Re: Are You In Church Today? Pls Gist Us Today's Money Scam At Your Church. by MrTroll(m): 3:26pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
it is easier to scam a person than to convince the person that he is being scammed. 5 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 3:19pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:and bring another conundrum of omniscience and freewill? Edit: except its not sentient? |
Religion / Re: The Evolution Of Morality by MrTroll(m): 3:14pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:why are making me repeat myself self na? Mr Troll: Nothing in nature is intrinsically wrong or right. earthquakes are neither wrong or right, only how it affects us humans. yes if you murder my wife, you have not done anything intrinsically wrong, only wrong based on human moral standards of which you will be punished. i'm sure nobody will punish you if you kill a chicken...you did see where I marked Culture, Locality and Time in different colours abi? I actually anticipated this question. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 3:02pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:ask Yahweh proponents. surely you know the arguments they make na abi? all morality come from GOD!!!? Is it not the case, in fact, that you have just opened a thread where you argue that human interests dictate morality?you know I don't believe in god and therefore my post is not expected to capture the sentiment. this particular thread presupposes the notion that a god exists. God, if it exists, would be far too transcendental for me or anyone to circumscribe as moral or immoral in the human sense.did you just agree that god is in fact nature? Now in your example, it will require the park ranger to absolutely know everything there is to know about the behavior of lions (omnixxxxx) which of course is next to impossible. we could say that the park ranger has done right, but what is to say that the lion, by some pristine 'lion instinct' has detected the presence of a deadly virus in the lions it saw and therefore decided to eliminate them to prevent its spread in this case, the park ranger will have inadvertently caused more harm than good. for any being to fully be in a position judge absolutely correctly the morals of any other being not related to it, then it will have to be totally knowledgeable about it, which brings us to the omniscience question.... |
Religion / Re: The Evolution Of Morality by MrTroll(m): 2:38pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight:bros, survival instinct inherent in all living things. we don't want to DIE!!! How does it affect anyone alive today, if, 200 years from now, mankind suddenly goes extinct - say from a meteor hit, for example?I don't really get this question. but if I may hazard a guess, i'll say that if we can do something to avert it, we would. still survival instinct, in this case, of our future offspring. you can rephrase the question if my answer was off point. 2.if you read the beginning parts of my post, you would realize that I actually accounted for this. the primitive man did only this, bigger brains led him to think that group survival will be best. more complex brain lent him more complex thought process and more complex set of rules...morality. 3.i'm afraid this is a strawman. now, my argument is that humans decided that those things were wrong. a lion kills, we don't say it has done something wrong, do we? even if we do say that, it will be based on our set of morals which has nothing to do with the lion. nothing in nature is intrinsically wrong or right. earthquakes are neither wrong or right, only how it affects us humans. yes if you murder my wife, you have not done anything intrinsically wrong, only wrong based on human moral standards of which you will be punished. i'm sure nobody will punish you if you kill a chicken today but ah! evolution says that you and a chicken.... . so in answer to to your question, some foolishness are in fact immoral. not all though, just those decided by us. 4.eh bros, where did you draw this conclusion from? you did see where I marked Culture, Locality and Time in different colours abi? I actually anticipated this question. 2 Likes |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 2:04pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Deep Sight: What makes anyone think that God, if it exists, is, or should be either moral or immoral, in the human sense?I assume you knew that the OP was specifically talking about the religious gods? most probably the Abrahamic versions? still, considering that you are a deist, i'll proceed with the assumption that you are using the term in the deistic sense. If you say that God does not exist, fine. But if you agree that God, if it exists, would not be a human being, then why ascribe human moral standards to it, or judge it by human morailty?read the bible. in fact, this statement has already killed Yahweh and his clones When a lion kills lion cubs in taking over a pride, do you accuse him of murder and then sentence him to the electric chair? You do not. Why? Because he is not human and has a different moral paradigm, if any at all.and therefore god, if he exists should have no business with trying to dictate our morality or trying to judge us based on our own subjective morality. in reality, I don't think YOU should be making this argument...except you will agree that your god is neither good nor evil(which by the way is what we refer to as nature. ) You consider the lion lower than you. You agree that God, if it exists, would be higher than you. If you cannot judge that which is lower based on your human standards of morailty, how can you judge that which is higher based on your human standards of morality.if we cannot or should not judge the lion we consider lower than us then god, if he exists should not judge us. or do you think he should? |
Religion / Re: Why God Cant Be Blamed For Natural Disasters. by MrTroll(m): 1:53pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
Donmichaelz: in the recent typhoon hayen,many people where quick to question Gods love.forgeting he gave them the ability to see it two weeks before now,who should be blamed for a students failure?the teacher who gave note or the student who didnt read the note?and in the olden times where the technology was not available in which to detect, before hand, such disasters? |
Religion / The Evolution Of Morality by MrTroll(m): 1:51pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
The strongest instinct of all living things has always been the instinct of survival. It is this basic instinct that gave rise to the term, survival of the fittest, the need to survive even at the expense of others. But as man continued to evolve and reproduce, he realized that he had to care for his progeny whether they were fit for survival or not; his species must have to survive, they must never go extinct. At first this idea was restricted to his immediate family; he will steal and plunder from other families in order to keep his family moving and surviving. Later he realized that to survive better, he had to co-operate with other families in order to fend off predators, both from wild animals and other stronger human colonies. To survive with other human colonies, there had to be some sort of symbiotic relationship; Common sense demanded it, necessity demanded that no man will have to work and another person will benefit. THIS made the idea of stealing evil, it didn’t take any divine being to make it known to the primitive man that since he wouldn’t want his crops to be eaten by another man, therefore he should not go about stealing that of his neighbor and that in order to gain the continued trust and help of his neighbor then he had to ensure his happiness also. Still though, stronger men always stole and tried to get away with it but as man’s brain continued to evolve, he had to devise more efficient means of curbing and curtailing the excesses of the inevitable miscreants of society. This gave rise to the fact that different societies always had their ideas of morality that somehow always matched with their culture, locality and time. Still though, the basic instinct of survival remained, nobody wants to be killed, we all want our offspring, our immediate family and by extension our particular society to survive. This is why each ancient tribe and race always felt superior and seeked to conquer the other in a bid to promote their own idea of morality. What is morality? I will paraphrase Robert Green Ingersoll: “Morality is doing the best under the circumstance. What is the best? The sum of what will increase human happiness or at least reduce human suffering.” Before Moses came down from Mount Sinai with the two Apple Tablets , the indigenous people of India, China and the Aztecs already knew that murder, stealing and lying was detrimental to their society and therefore evil. Man’s knowledge and intellect has improved that is why we now frown on slavery. It can be argued that the slave masters of old somehow felt that their slaves were somewhat less than humans or at least less than their own race and therefore fit only for labour and abuse. This is why in the Jewish scriptures you can see that they felt it proper to only get their slaves from other tribes. Morality has nothing to do with belief in a creator, there is no morality in “Believe in the Lord Jesus or perish” and there is no necessity of belief in “Do unto others as you would like them to do unto you.” Both statements are mutually exclusive statements and you can do the former without doing the latter and vice versa, or even both without any form of contradiction whatsoever. In conclusion, I believe that morality was and is a necessary condition for the survival of our species. It is the realization that we are actually the same species: black, white, Hispanic etc that we have had to set up some basic rules of survival to prevent the few miscreants and psychopaths from decimating the human race. Morality did not derive from any deity, else we would have had universal and timeless morality all through the ages. our morality is still evolving and what we consider normal today may be looked upon with revulsion by our children children. Happy SUNday 5 Likes 1 Share |
Religion / Re: Evil Confirms Absence Of God. by MrTroll(m): 1:43pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
DS, can we go back and start again from your first reply? you and LB silliness don derail the thread go far. it is now confusing me sef 1 Like |
Religion / Re: About Pornographic Movies And Unclad Pictures by MrTroll(m): 1:26pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
maryam8080: Indeed sexual exploitation (as in the form of pornographic movies and unclad pictures) should be termed and indicted as violence against humanity. |
Religion / Re: God Can Move Mountains? Phillipinos Betrayed? 10,000 Dead. by MrTroll(m): 1:19pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
free radical: When I already believe in God y would I need a wager. It is only one that has serious doubts about God's existence that can apply the pascal's wager just incase he's wrong and there really is a God.lol. the Pascal's Wager has been debunked a thousand years ago. |
Religion / Re: Using Rubber Thread On Your Hair Is Demonic, May Lead You To Hell by MrTroll(m): 1:09pm On Nov 17, 2013 |
HumbledbYGrace: Ask Ishiwawa lolAnd it was Ishilove who recommended it to the supermods? 1 Like |
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