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shymexx: Why are san men a la black people in SA the loudest in that country? Nigeria isn't special and our military is rubbish, however black South Africans are still the most cowardly black people on this planet.. You were made slaves in your own damn country and it took the whole world fighting for you to get them to move from enslaving you to owning 90% of your country despite being just 15% of the population..

You also allowed your slave masters to destroy Angola and kill more than 5 million of its population - you lot have no say, let your slave masters speak, ok?

How does that make you better from us? Some of your brothers were sold to America during the epoch of mercantile slavery. They were sold for a price by one of your own to the highest bidder. After all, we were all colonised and equally slaves to our former colonisers. I see you call us cowards, you do not have any idea how brave South Africans are even to the extent of not fearing guns. We fought against colonisation and oppression empty handed approaching heavily armed soldiers and police

sheyie2007: Just face it, some of y'all are xenophobic, it has been engraved in your brain since you got dropped on your heads.. i've been to your country I know how things go, got couple of SA friends too that ain't dimw!t like you. I'll implore you to travel out of your country and expose your shallow brain... I noticed the smart ones amongst you have travel experiences...and judging from the 3days and whatever hours you've spent on this platform, you've never posted anything reasonable...go fu©K yourself...

I will do whatever it takes to protect my child, simply because he is not in the age of making wise decisions. A child in SA is anyone under the age of 18 and is referred to as a person who cannot consent to sex and drugs. You've asked if they are being forced against their will, the answer to that is YES, they are teens and in terms of SA law they cannot make informed decision concerning sex and drugs, they are merely pushed into it.

sheyie2007: Some of you dummies keep ranting.."they come to sell drugs and force our children into prostitution"..were they made to do,these things against their will? Those guys are business savvy, they discovered y'all fagg@ts love being high and your bit©hes would do anything for cash so, they seized the moment.. sadly, a country man would think differently

Your children are very safe there in Nigeria and ours are being lured into drugs by some foreigners who are trying to make a living in SA. Once you try to raise this issue, the world accuses you of being xenophobic. Do you suggest that we must not protect our children even if they go astray. Our children are the future of SA and how will they run this country if somehow they find themselves mentally impaired because of prolonged use of drugs. One thing that I like about South Africans is that they are well-behaved travellers and would always try hard not to offend their hosts. Anyway, charity begins at home.

sheyie2007: Even with the sophisticated artillery you own, you've not had any "glorified" success in all your missions

You must be joking. Read about all missions of SANDF from yesteryears until to date. Read about how SANDF used to infiltrate countries and demolish ANC's installations, though this was not right but it display their capability of success in clandestine operations. Read more about SA border war and the mission of recce team to Angola.

sheyie2007: Lol...the world bank recently admitted it doesn't have accurate analysis of nigeria's per capital gdp, so update your knowledge factory..you have google at your disposal, i'll leave that to you...there are more middle class in this country unlike yours, and it keeps breeding billionaires... Check my previous post on the corruption index rating as i'm too lazy to type for a dimw!t..

Exactly what is that stuff that you are smoking? You mean SA does not have the middle class, you must be joking or else you must have yourself admitted to psychiatric hospital. Furthermore. GDP per capita of Nigeria will never surpass that of SA because of its population size, even if Nigeria can become the largest economy in Africa.

sheyie2007: I laugh in swahili, yes we might have "minor" tribal issues but we ain't xenophobic slowpokes like you guys, go figure......and for the record, i've got white friends dummy, i'll continue to lay down facts, bring it on!... apartheid is in it's modern form in your country deal with it..it's controlled by whites so they'll surely go to war for their "country".

If foreigners come from wherever they come from to sell drugs to our children and force them into prostitution what do you think must be done? We will be forced to act and protect our children from being ruined. I know few foreigners who continue to sell drugs despite being warned against it. They sell drugs on the school nearby

sheyie2007: Bros don't get too worked up over these guys, if they(blacks) built their country to this present stage..i'll simply keep my gob shut! They're yet to realise Nigeria is superior in this aspect .. anyday!..

You are really obsessed with race. Those whites are SOUTH AFRICAN with capital letters. They were born and bred in SA and we don't care if they have set the pace for us. They have made their contribution and thus we continue to do so as part of our contribution. The ANC, even though is not perfect it has achieved a lot, ranging from roads that meet the international standard, low cost housing, health, construction of Medupi powerstation, World cup, Gautrain and BRT, SKA world biggest telescope in Astronomy and they intend to bid for Olympics. After all SA belong to all who lives in it, whether it be a coloured, African, Whites or Asians.

sheyie2007: Burundi is a piece of cake... I'll leave Cameroon with you guys....

Unfortunately Cameroon is not in our region. SA will either be accused of playing big and reducing itself into superpowers or transgressing regional borders. It is the responsibility of either Nigeria or Ghana to stabilise that region before there can be any intervention from outside. That is a protocol and needs to be followed. Currently, SA stabilise peace in SADC countries.

Blyss: Since when did Shoprite and Game become shopping Malls? One is a grocery store and and other is media outlet.

You see, you people are so stupid. You don't move with times you know, no matter how hard we tried to modernise you. Game is not a media what ever you call it and shoprite owns many shopping malls and centres in SA. That's why when it was introduced in Nigeria you started seeing construction of world class malls that you failed to build on your own. Thanks to South Africa for making us feel like human being, that's how one Nigerian responded when was interviewed about SA investment in Nigeria.

sheyie2007: Lol...all white owned. And they're being taxed like they should..so?

Bwahahhahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahhahhahahahahahhahahahhhhahahhah, for your info there is no more so called all white owned in SA, you are outdated in terms of current affairs. SA has introduced a BEE (Black Economic Empowerment) policy where blacks have to own shares in all previously white owned enterprises. For your info my dad also has shares in MTN.

sheyie2007: Lol...all white owned. And they're being taxed like they should..so?

Bwahahahahahaha, we let the customers to pay tax for us and the rest come back to SA.

snydergp: Are u just a fool or just a hot headed young boy or whatever

No one here disputes that Nigeria will become Africa's biggest economy soon because ur population and consumer potential is 3 times that of SA so I'm actually dissapointed u haven't crossed this milestone 30 years ago. But even if this is true even by ur current growth it will take u 30 years to outgrow SA's GDP per capita. Per Capita Angola is Africa's richest nation followed by Botswana and Seychelles then SA no contest there.

I CALL U A SERIAL LIER HERE WHEN U SAY NIGERIAN COMPANIES OUTPERFORM South African companies Here are the FORBES top 20 african companies by market cap go research this STOP TALKING SH*T FROM THAT BIG HEAD OF YOURS AND SMALL BRAIN BOY

1) BHP Biliton (south africa) $71.5bn

2)Anglo America (SA) $54.3bn

3)SAB-Miller (SA) second biggest beer compant in the world $35.2

4)SASOL (SA) synthetic fuels and gas $32.2

5)MTN GROUP(SA) africa and middel easts biggest telecoms company by subscriber numbers $29.6bn

6)Kumba Iron Ore (SA) $19.5bn

7)Standard Bank (SA) excluding its offshore assets and investments outside of africa $19.4bn

Anglo Platinum (SA) $14.4bn

9)First Rand LTD (SA) $14.2bn

10) Itissalat Al Maghrib (Morroco) telecoms $13.8

11) Naspers (SA) media and DSTV $13.7bn

12) ABSA Group (SA) 11.3bn

13) Anglo Ashanti (SA) $11.2bn

14) Impala PLATS (SA) $11.1bn

15) DANGOTE CEMENT ( Nigeria) $10.6bn

16) Samlam Holdings (SA) insurance $9.8bn

17) Shoprite Holdings (SA) retail consumer goods $9.3bn

18) Old Mutual (SA) insurance and investment $8.4bn

19) Attijariwafa Bank (Morroco) $7.8bn

20) Gold Fields (SA) $7.5bn

This is the best and biggest companies currently in Africa that are listed on African stock exchanges
The two biggest goverment owned entities on the comtinent are ESKOM and TRANSNET respectively by asset value.

LIKE I SAID BEFORE STOP TALKING SH*T HERE. YOUR ECONOMY WILL BE THE BIGGEST BUT SO WILL THESE COMPANIES.

GET A NEW HOBBY MY COMPULSIVE LIER BEFORE I EXPOSE U SOME MORE

SA investors are not stupid, they will drain Nigeria dry. Bwahahahahahhahahahahaaha!!!

What about Multichoice, PEP, Game, Shoprite, Spur, Shopping malls, standard bank, lottery and MTN we have invested in Nigeria. You are nothing without South Africa's investments. When other countries abandoned you by labelling you as terrorists we as South Africa we were there for you. You started to experience world class shopping malls because of us and that's how you are paying us. Tafiakwa, nonsense.

Henry120: SA 20 years ahead of nigeria, yet your economy is crawling at 2% a year, while nigeria's economy is growing at 7% a year. Nigeria's economy is a 392 billion dollar economy, just about 15-20 billion usd below SA. Nigeria is projected to overtake SA in 2016, as africa's top economy/dog. We got the largest middle class on this continent at about 50 million people. Nigeria companies are by far out pacing that of companies in SA, DANGOTE africa's largest conglomerate leading the pack with globacom, honeywell, oando not far behind. And you come here to claim that SA is 30 years ahead of nigeria. Bros, na u sabi oh, u dey on your own for this matter.

At the end of the day we are all entitled to our opinion, same way every human is entitled to an *ss. If you believe what you wrote about 30 years, goodluck.

Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! This is indeed rhetoric. Who is making more money in Nigeria? Isn't SA companies? Bwahahahaahahahahahahahaha.

souldust: @henry, dont mind the boy muazu who says we are 100 years behind SA in infrastructure. What nonsense! To make such a statement means he is not aware of our airports that are being remodelled and rebuilt. He obviously doest know whats happening in our various states. And you also mentioned the eko atlantic city which is a good one.

That's a fact, whether you like it or not. SA is working towards being recognised as a fully third world country and that is not far my friend.

snydergp: You are correct when u say we have a lot to deal with like inequality poverty etc. Talking about sanitation SA has provided this to over 90% of its people we spend more on electricity, health and education then any other country on this continent even our national budget is twice that of Nigeria's current budget allocation to all its regional states.

Talking about roads we have a better road and railnetwork then Nigeria and we continuesly invest in upgrades our Gautrain highspeed network is equal to any in the developed world. SA set itself targets to eradicate all housing backlocks and by 2016 and 2018 respectfully. SA has the the 4th biggest road and rail improvement project in the world.

Your theory about dreams is just another foolish dream on ur part.

Our airports in Joburg, Capetown and. Durban are rated in the top 20 airports in the world and best in africa. Oliver Thambo is was rated as Africa's best airport and Capetown as the worlds best tourist city and destination.

My friend we still have a long way to go but incomparing us to Nigeria please u still have 2 decades of catching up to do

Please once again tell me that I'm rude and insulting because this is just the reality u can ask ur people who live in SA they will tell u the samething fact.

Henry this topic is about military power and not country bashing and let us not go down to that level because South Africa and Nigeria still has a lot to do to uplift our respective nations people and both nations needs each other to create a better continent. Please bro let's stick to the topic at hand

To be more exact, Nigeria is 100yrs late to what South Africa has achieved thus far. If this is 2012 then Nigeria supposed to be somewhere in the 1800 in terms of infrastructural developments and moreover their ever growing and increasing population poses a threat of reaching economic meltdown which will in turn promote the criterion of the survival of the fittest. It was for this reason that China was prompted to promulgate laws that criminalised polygamy and multiple births by couples. It is now officially a crime to have more than two children in China and even though their economy is blossoming, unfortunately it does not benefit ordinary Chinese citizens. Poverty in China is very rife and many of them are dependent upon a meal which is less than one dollar a day. Competition for better jobs is tough and in many instances a salary that has to pay a single person is shared for two.

Henry120: The F-7 is a heavily modified version of the MIG 21, it is not a MIG 21. As an interceptor it is good, but not as the main backbone of the air force. I won't say nigeria wasted money on them, as at the time they were purchased they were meant to be for the short term. The chinese and pakistani still employ them in huge numbers. It is supposed to be the first line of defence. However there is something in the cards at this very moment, we are already in the market. This is all I'm going to say.

Andrewza you keep mentioning janes defence web, I have told you severally that there is nothing online wether or janes or somewhere else that post the true picture of the military in nigeria. What you get there are just TIT BITS, not actually what really is. I have told you severally that information around the military is tightly controlled and and not much gets out to the public domain. However you have blatantly refused, and you continue to refer me to online sources. Anyway sha na you sabi, if you like hear word, if you no like leave.

That drone, all the drones built by nigeria, where not built by the airforce, rather by students at the nigerian airforce institute of technology( AFIT), not the air force. AMEBO 1-3, all 3 drones where built by students mainly for in land surveillance.

The seaward defence boats have always been manufactured indegeneously in nigeria for some time now, we also have our very own indegenous vehicle manufacturer(INNOSON MOTORS), last year nigerian engineers designed and built two oil platforms for ELF exploration oil company at NIGER DOCK in lagos. The fan fare around NNS ANDONI or the armoured personnel carrier was because they where government agency built. The navy regularly modifies / repairs her ships at dock yards across the country. So stop talking like south africa is the only african nation that manufactures military hardware or TECH. After all nigeria SAT X which was wholly nigerian built was launched into orbit early this year.



However, let me just clear the air, if you want to make this discussion a personal attack on nigeria, omo make I tell u, I'm prepared to throw out civility out of the window and get down dirty with you. Don't just for one moment believe that you're the only person who can launch verbal attacks. All @ andrewza.

All that you have mentioned is no match to DENEL and let me tell you all the info that you see in the internet is there for a reason and has been collected by military researchers across the globe. Those researchers meticulously select those countries that have an influence in the world. So far they have never been moved by Nigerian military because of their limited activity in the art of war. South Africa has such a massive history pertaining to art of war. To confirm this just google the recce team to learn how they used to cunningly infiltrate the Angolan borders to demolish their military installations and to learn more about their clandestine operations. Infact, they had a lot of activity in the past than you can ever imagine and were the most feared. I guess this is the reason that startled and fascinated the researchers to write a lot about the capability of South African National Defence Force in combat. Beware, nobody messes up with SA in terms of military tactics, they are the expects of reconnaissance, air strikes, demolitions and attack.

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Your last sentence just shows how silly you can be. Do they do that in your country. At least I know soldiers in this country are not HIV & AIDS infested like both white and black SANDF members or do not kill un armed miners protesting over pay.[/quote]Here are the facts.

1. Do you know that SA has the same number of people living with HIV/AIDS as Nigeria. Over 5 million south Africans are infected with HIV as compared to over 5 million Nigerians. Nigeria has a total population of over 140 million and SA has 51 million, hence this is the reason why Nigeria has a low percentage. I will confirm this info/stats later with the WHO and paste it for your indulgence.

2. I am very excited that you confused our police with the military. Those disgruntled miners were shot at by heavily armed men in blue. If you want to confirm it go to youtube and tell me if you have seen a single SANDF member there. Who knows, perhaps SAPS or so to say our police are even well and better equipped than Nigerian Army to the extend that they are mistaken as militants by Nigerians.

Henry120: I don't know where you south africans/ africans get your your notion of the nigerian military been not well trained or equipped. The nigerian armed forces and staff college in JAJI, kaduna state is the BEST military college in africa. The nigerian military always receive top honours on abroad tours/ trainings. Keeping believing that gibberish of nigeria army officers been poorly trained / equipped you read on line. After all, it's a free world.

For the benefit of doubts the reason so little is known about the nigerian military is that information coming out of the military is tightly controlled unlike In say, SA or egypt. However there is no dispute about the fact that SA airforce is better than nigeria's airforce, the NAVY is some what better than nigeria, offcourse it is disputable as our threats at the moment do not require too many blue water ships, but we got an impressive haul of both small and medium sized crafts, the largest haul of small or medium sized crafts anywhere in the continent. The navy is also in line to receive 7 brand new OPV's from both china and piprav shipping plant in india, so the talk of south africa having more blue/ ocean going vessels than nigeria would die of this coming 2013.

As for the army it is either you south africans are ignorant or just want to dis tort information. I'm sorry nigeria's army is far ahead of SA army whether in training, morale or equipment. We in nigeria have proven that in tours abroad right from. Burma( when we served under the british) during world war II down to this very moment. We people say that nigeria's military is undisciplined or lack training, I just crack up and laugh. When those malicious, poorly written reports where put down, we were handing it to the rebels in liberia, SLR, somalia (in 1993) and Camerounians in bakassi. Four conflicts. The facts in these areas speak for themselves, we nigerians have proven ourselves in combat over and over again. So comparing SA army to NIGERIA army, is simply put, gross daydreaming!!!!

10 russian MI-17 terminator helos would be delivered in the first quarter of 2013 to add to our growing/ large fleet of MI-35p, MI-24 hind and MI-17 attack. Now all these, are info released by the air force. What about what is not released to the public. We are not looking for anybody's approval or a "pat on the back", to say well done or good job. We get our job done. Besides when people say SA military hardware, it is the MRAPs most people go for. your helicopters lack good technology, so that one is out of the question.

So if I'm to rate SA military/ against nigeria's
SA air force better than nigeria airforce = true

SA navy against nigeria navy = true/ somewhat

SA army against nigeria army = day dreaming, nigeria better.

SA air defence against nigeria = nigeria better

You either agree or dis agree, but these are the facts.

Why you Nigerians are so stubborn to understand? You can have many men in war, but with poor equipment you will never win. If you equip hundreds and hundreds of your men with bow and spears against twenty heavily armed men, no matter how hard your men trained you will end up losing the battle. Back in those years of Shaka, the Zulu impis were the most well trained in combat in Africa, but they lost against a stick of white men who by then had the necessary firepower. You can imagine that by then there was no even a single firearm in Nigeria. Black SA were among the first bantu people to be exposed to fire and that's why even today they use it with passion. I doubt if Nigerian army is well equipped and I can't even recall when was the last time Nigeria ever enter into Arms deal. Nigeria had a lot to deal with, poverty, roads, low cost housing, sanitation, rural development, health, education, social development, etc and so tell me with Nigeria national budget which is not even half of SA budget, how will they buy all those naval equipment to compete with SA in just a year. Unless you are under something more disturbing than hallucinogens, then you will spat that nonsense. Do you think poor Nigerians will ever consume all those guns because that will cost Nigeria fortune, infact it will take all the budget of Nigeria. This is a fact.

Madam Southy: yea Iam

I am too. O bloma waar? Mams, Shosha, Garanga or Attridge.

I am based in Joburg near Pretoria. Are you South African citizen?

cytell Property: This is the problem with some people, you have now brought in tribalism. The issue i raised does not have any connection with tribes or religion.
Please can you let me know who else has achieved more than him in Nigeria.

I fully agree with you, there is no leader in Nigeria who can match his calibre. The only point that I wanted to raise was about his popularity, he is still short of hands when it comes to that department. Many people outside the borders of Nigeria know little about that man.

cytell Property: You like it or not he remains the greatest Nigerian to date in terms of achievement. He is what Nelson Mandela is to South Africa.

You cannot put Obasanjo and Mandela in the same sentence. Obasanjo even today struggles to maintain total popularity in Nigeria and not all Nigerians share the same sentiments about him, especially the igbos.

agaugust: i will not engage in war of words over a topic of which 99% of people who write on nairaland are not professionals. i work with a military/defence consulting firm in the USA, and i talk to many military officers from the USA and EU, my job also involves many weapon manufacturing companies, and top ranking military analysts who know the secrets of all these countries we are arguing about. you wont have the confidential/secret information that i have unless you work in the military industry or profession. you feel like making south africa number one in your rankings because you are a south african man, no problem sir, go ahead. just know that your patriotic wish will not win a war for your country, the better fighting force will win.

for others, who are not biased and who care to know, the americans and british respect nigerian military officers more than any other african force, why ? they compete in military schools in their own country and the nigerians beat them. i know them and i talk with them. the western powers talk about the secret nature of nigeria's military strength, even nigerian's are not aware. i wont say all that i know on this forum because a lot of people just want to talk and they have no military training and they dont talk with military officers and consultants in the most powerful countries of the west.

so, you either like my ranking or hate it....EGYPT IS AFRICAN NO.1, ALGERIA NO.2, NIGERIA AND SOUTH AFRICA HAVE A BALANCE OF POWER DUE TO WEAK-POINTS VS STRONG-POINTS AND BOTH SHARE NO.3 POSITION. if anyone has facts and figures that we can all confirm from reliable sources, please challenge me, but not with stories and claims about a country which produces 1,000 weapons and buys 50 for its own military then its citizens think all the 1,000 belongs to their military power forgetting that weapon manufacturers in south africa are mostly private owned commercial profit making companies who export most of their hardware.

99% of people who are writing these rankings did not go to military institutions to study war history from world war I to the current war in syria. it takes a good and balanced knowledge of how to combine land,air and sea power to win a war, how the quality and practical experience officer's in command can determine the result of a war, how terrain is vital, order of battle, national war doctrine, and ability to rapidly increase military strength in time of challenge to a new level beyond what is openly known to the rest of the world. war history has shown how special factors turn the tide in many wars and the country that thought it was stronger actually lost the war or faced a stalemate due to a balance of power they ignorantly did not research into before going to war.

i will like to end my contributions to this topic by saying that the british and american officers/weapons system analysts i spoke to and work with, have repeatedly emphasized that nigeria has a hidden ability to stalemate a war with any medium power in the world like brazil, portugal, south africa, mexico, syria, etc. they say it is a country you attack and end up in a long war unless you are a big power like the USA, south korea, ukraine, israel, UK, china, india, etc. goodbye everyone, i will no longer contribute unless i read a technically sound posting that represents the view of many experts conclusion, not somebody's personal opinions from their bedrooms. please if i sound rude or proud/arrogant, show me mercy and forgive me, thanks.

I still maintain my position. Expect, professor or not you cannot compare the Nigerian military to SANDF. I flatly deny this fantasy my friend, and wonder what type of hallucinogens you take. The Nigerian military is still dependent upon an old and outdated technology as compared to South Africa. How dare you relegate South African Military to that level that is in par with Nigeria and besides SANDF is 100 years away from Nigeria in terms of Military technology. Just visit www.globalfirepower.com and tell me if you see Nigeria listed in those countries and tell me when was the last time Nigeria enter into an arms deal to replenish their dinosaur type of weapons in their arsenal. Nigeria military is nowhere recognised by the global military firepower because of their inability to trade in arms. It doesn't matter how well trained Nigerian infantry is, but with the kind of fleet and weapons they use, they remain ineffective. SANDF that is SA army, SA navy and SA airforce have much more powerful weapon and firepower that can destroy the whole of Nigeria in a split second.

agaugust: sorry gentlemen, i think we have some rude and under-aged people writing comments here, or just maybe old men with no good manners, insulting words are used by the south african men on this site and for this topic, i thank God i have decided not to contribute again since some people are not operating at the same privileged level that i am with information directly form USA and EU military circles. true professionals dont waste their knowledge where it is not appreciated.

i cannot downgrade myself to the level of a south african 'army sergent' if at all he is truly a military man. i dont believe him because i did not see him display a flash of military doctrine and discipline in the way he talks to people on this forum, a true military officer well trained as he claims they are in south africa, will not use insults on people over this topic. this south african writers on nairaland are either fake soldiers or junior and poorly educated recruits or NCO, and their level of competence to write of a complex military topic like this, is very doubtful. this is a topic for generals or top class military analysts to rank a continent's military powers.

war history since 1939 to 2012, has taught every army general a lesson, who is the best military power ? who is the top of the rankings among countries ? the answer is simple and certain only after the bloody war ends, the superior country is the one that wins at the final end of the war, not before the war ! wisdom for you all. thanks.

Don't be ashamed of your country and make it as if you are working for US military industries. There is no any country in the world that would allow foreigners to infiltrate their military intelligence, especially not from Nigeria which has been declared a terrorist hub by the US. If you tell us that you are a Nigerian soldier who is earning a meagre salary I would personally agree with you 100%. Do not be ashamed of your country my dear friend and stop playing big about a country that cares less about your wellbeing. You must learn to be patriotic, accept your country with its weaknesses and be proud of Nigeria than always praising imperialists as if they do not have their own infirmities and challenges.

These chaps are so stubborn to understand. They find it hard to come to terms with the fact that there is no country in Africa that can compete with South Africa. Go and read the book "Capitalist Nigger" by Chika Onyeani, a Nigerian based in USA, who publicly admitted that South Africa is the only country in Africa which manufactures military weapons that compete to the western countries. For your info DENEL, the largest manufacturer of arms in Africa and ARMSCOR are not privately owned, it is listed as a public enterprise under the ministry of public enterprise. DENEL only sold their Potchefstroom based plant which mainly manufactured bombs to the Germans which changed its name to NESCHEM and now recently renamed RDM.

Whether you like it or not South African National Defence Force remains the best in the continent. Egypt is no more the strongest military in the continent because of the political unrest in that country. Those stats are outdated and thus, need to be updated. South Africa, the only state in Africa to have successfully developed atomic and nuclear weapons equally powerful to destroy the planet earth. The most powerful apartheid SADF and its skillful personnel are still present in the current SANDF the only aspect that changed was an integration of the former military wings of liberation movements such as, MK(ANC), APLA(PAC), AZANLA (AZAPO), BDF(Bophuthatswana), TDF(Transkei), etc into SANDF. The very same Recce team which troubled and kept the Angolan and Cuban soldiers hiding in the boarder war and which is ranked among the best special forces in the world had ever since spread their wings to an advanced level. They have grown in leaps and bounds in terms of military technological developments and they remain the best or so to say, maintain no:1 spot on the continent. Just google.

No need to panic, this is Mandela routine medical test. There isn't nothing wrong with him generally. Remember that Madiba has to go for these check-ups every now and then because of his aging.

agaugust: STRONGEST TEN MILITARY POWERS/COUNTRIES IN AFRICA :

don't be surprised,this is the correct rankings from worldwide military analysts in europe and north america

1. EGYPT
(too powerful,too strong,too well trained,too well equipped,too experienced to be challenged by any other african country. the world fear egypt's power)

2. ALGERIA
(it will shock any country that tries to fight algeria, very well equipped modern army and airforce,yet people don't know. algeria is a silent big power)

3. NIGERIA AND SOUTH AFRICA SAME POSITION

(nigerian army/navy are stronger,but south african airforce is stronger,so a balance of power. the world respects nigerian artillery and infantry. the world respects south african airforce as they have been flying combat missions since world war II in 1940. south african army has very little combat experience)

4. ETHIOPIA, ANGOLA, AND SUDAN SAME POSITION

(ethiopia has a battle hardened army,combat experience nation against nation,its airforce flew warplanes against italy over 70 years ago! respect ethiopia. angola and sudan have latest jet-fighters and massive tanks/artillery firepower with many years of real combat experience in big civil wars)

5. MOROCCO, ERITREA, UGANDA SAME POSITION
(morocco has good jet-fighters,but its soldiers are not first-class on land and air combat. eritrea is a small nation with powerful airforce and army having many years of serious battlefield experience. uganda has a modernized airforce with good jetfighters and a moderately experienced army with good commanders)

HOWEVER IN REAL WAR, ANY OF THE WEAKER AFRICAN COUNTRIES LIKE CAMEROUN CAN SURPRISINGLY AND SUDDENLY BECOME MILITARILY POWERFUL OVERNIGHT IF THEY HAVE A DEFENCE PACT WITH A WORLD SUPER POWER LIKE FRANCE. SIERRA LEONE HAD A DEFENCE PACT WITH NIGERIA AND THE IGNORANT REBELS OVERTHREW PRSIDENT TEJAN KABBAH, NIGERIAN MILITARY RESPONDED IMMEDIATELY AND DEFEATED THE REBELS. THIS IS THE REASON WHY NIGERIA IS ALWAYS AFRAID OF WAR WITH CAMEROUN IN BAKASSI, AS FRANCE CAN SUPPORT CAMEROUN AND DEFEAT NIGERIA IN A WAR. SO, OBASANJO RUSHED TO UKRAINE TO SIGN A DEFENCE PACT BEFORE MOVING MORE TROOPS INTO BAKASSI PENINSULA DURING HIS FIRST TERM.

if you doubt the above military power rankings for african countries, spend some time to carefully study each countries military equipment and war history on wikipedia, for example, google algeria airforce wikipedia, algerian army wikipedia, army of sudan wkipedia, etc. thank you

All these stats are badly flawed. South Africa is indisputably ranked no:1 in Africa. The only African country which designs the most powerful military weapons including fighter helicopter. It compares only to western countries.

Long live Nelson Mandela long live. Viva Madiba viva!!!

fame12k: please house, I want to seek opinion from those who have been to different african countries or have information about how good the way of life is in d following african countries, because am about sending job application to them
1. Uganda
2. Tanzania
3. Kenya
4. Gambia
5. Zambia
6. Any suggested african country apart from Ghana and South Africa.

Am a medical scientist, anatomist to be precise.

Thanks for ur contributions.

There is no any beside South Africa. All professionals across Africa are flogging to SA year after year with intend to seek greener pastures. There is no any African country that pays better than them. SA has many Nigerian, Ghanaian, Kenyan, Cuban, Congolese doctors, etc who came here for a better future.

talk2xp: Well said. Exactly what the muslim always say when people bastardize their religion. Those screaming ALLAHU AKBAR, ALLAHU AKBAR are also not true muslims. Muhammed only killed at war (some prophets in the bible did)and did not kill anyone after that, lived peacefully with Jews and Christian in Medina had a perfect relationship with Christian in Syria, never fought against them. Acknowledged Jesus, Mary and thought his followers about the teaching of Christ. Never chop off anyones hand for stealing nor killed anyone for committing adultery or fornication. He united the tribes in Mecca and preach peacefully everywhere he went. Some said he slept with an under aged well he never did. Am ready for this debate. Am not a muslim but am into investigative journalism and I hate blaspheming which is too rampant on this forum.

You are contradicting yourself indeed. How can you become an investigative journalist and yet you hate blasphemy. Isn't what journalists love the most? It is now high time that you must come out of the shell and declare to us what religion are you.