₦airaland Forum

speedyboi: ^^^so wifi owned by cooperate organizations won't be restricted? It will be accessible to everyone free? Utter Bullshi/t! I say it again, saying all wifi connections in any country is free is very ridiculous and makes every other point valueless.

I'm done replying you! The fact that I personally wasn't able to access free wifi in SA Proves you wrong!

You've been in SA for only a month, surely that visit is not long enough to can tell the whole world that you know a lot about South Africa. In South Africa all network communications are regulated by the national government and currently the South African government is planning to install and connect more than 75% of households with internet by 2025. You could have asked one of South Africans to kindly help you to access WI-FI during your short stay in Mzansi.

speedyboi: From your name, I can tell. Well I was in Johannesburg early last year on an official purpose and I stayed one month. Where I lodged, I used my device to search for wifi and it found three connections all of which I needed a username and a password to access. I don't know your definition of free, But as for me; if a wifi connection requests a username and a password for accessibility, then its not free.

Meanwhile, saying all wifi connections are free in any country is quite ridiculous though.

Then, from my experience, most wifi connections are not free in african countries, believe it or not!

I say it again, I access wifi anytime, anywhere in Jozi whenever I want to free of charge, MAHALA. Its an initiative by the government to promote info free of charge to the citizens.

speedyboi: Why do you people like to generalise things just to ridicule the country.
Well for your info, wifi is almost everywhere in nigeria, most are just not free.
In my office anyways, wifi is free to staff. I also heard unilorin offers free wifi to students and staff. So dude speak for yourself. Maybe you live in a backward village like yourself, that's why you don't get wifi connections cos I notice whenever I search for networks, my phone/system finds many connections, but mostly not free. This phenomenon applies to south africa as well, only few wifi are free. I don't know where you got your story from.
The op clearly pointed it categorically that: how many nigerians can access 'free' wifi.

Wrong!!! Am based in SA and wi-fi in my country is free anywhere. Don't make yourself Mr know-it-all, because you will encounter booby traps along the line.

mchidi: hey stop talking foolishly nigeria had the highest amount of medals in the paralympics is a disabled even works hard than a disabled sa(blacks)coz their whites has totally dominated the sport world in sa

Mchudi- I will advise you to go and see a psychiatrist for a check-up. I am not sure if Nigeria has a quality services for your treatment. Unfortunately it's only in South Africa and abroad where you can be offered the best of such therapy. You are really sick and we are not going to entertain your madness any further because the last time we checked, Nigeria never won even a single medal in the last Olympics. Moreover, blacks and whites in SA are referred to as South African and it's not us who cursed Nigeria not to have whites and become a diversified nation.

safarigirl: I've never liked Charlize, don't even watch her movies, so you can tell who I prefer.

Whether you accept it or not, Hollywood will always put Whites above blacks, hence the purpose of Tyler Perry.

Is Megan Good not as good an actress as Megan Fox? But Good would never get a role over Fox, hell! They don't even make big budget movies and consider black actresses, save for Halle Berry (mixed) and Zoe Saldana (who constantly denies being black, she prefers Dominican...illiterate), who else do they give leading roles?

They know it's mostly whites that pay for the cinemas, hence, more 'white' movies e.g Harry Potter and Twilight...how come they don't put blacks in those ones? Even Hunger Games, where blacks were given somewhat insignificant roles, some red-necks still had a problem with watching blacks on their screens, hence the controversy.

This isn't a matter of ignoring racism, but seeing stuff for what they are, there is an apparent boycott on blacks in Hollywood generally, and we all know why, whether we admit it or not

Pure lies Hollywood is not a racist. What about the likes of Denzil Washington, Samuel Jackson, Will Smith, Mogan freeman, Forest Whitaker, Halle Berry, Wesley Snipes, etc, who rake in many awards and still are making it big in Hollywood. I'm just asking though!!!

agaugust: EX-PRESIDENT THABO MBEKI OF SOUTH AFRICA HAS PUBLICLY ADMITTED THAT CUBA DEFEATED HIS OWN COUNTRY SOUTH AFRICA IN MILITARY COMBAT. CASE CLOSED, PEOPLE ON THIS SITE SHOULD FIND A NEW TOPIC TO DISCUSS. CASE CLOSED BY EX-PRESIDENT THABO MBEKI.

Truly you misunderstood Mbeki's comments towards Cubans efforts of having discouraged SA attempts to dominate the entire region, probably SADC. Mbeki did not specifically asserted that Cuba defeated South Africa. Don't make your own conclusions because you will surely fail comprehension tests. The Cubans defeated or in essence discouraged Apartheid SA efforts to colonise the whole region and thus does not translate to South Africa losing to Cuba. South Africa single handily fought against two countries and yet managed to contain them right in their home soil. Get yourself the book titled "South African border war" to learn more about all the operations of the SA recce team in Angola and how splendid the SA special forces were in executing task of crushing down Cuban planes and their failed attempt in demolitions to cut down oil in Angola

baby-boy:
The Producer of the Movie is someone who grew up in America and Both Vivica Fox and Isaiah Washington are not house hold Hollywood names, Vivica Fox is out dated in Hollywood no one uses her anymore and Isaiah the same and once your not on Tyler Perry list then Nollywood is your next destination. Adding Vivica to the movie does nothing to enhance the popularity of the movie.

Do you suggest that Vivica Fox and Isaiah Washington are nothing compared to South African born Hollywood actress Charlize Theron? Lol!!!

cheikh: Msauza


@^^ Please re-read my post again. I have not said that the "quality" is fantastic. Did I? Nevertheless, implied in the very subjective "quality" debate is an assumption that Nollywood is no good as demonstrated in your write-up above. Every watcher of Nollywood knows and is exasperated by the above mentioned technical faults nevertheless most of the stories they convey are compelling and very relevant to the consumers including your good self hence you are annoyed because of the "technicalities" etc . My friend relax. Many of us are willing to overlook those temporary technical faults most imes because we know our shortcomings as a people without any technical "sophistication"/abilities given our general lack of resources. We should be a little mindful and generous of spirit to our compatriots who have taken the bull by the horns to do for self what the government or others cannot do- self employment(self taught), massive job creation, entrepreneurship and positive representation/promotion of Naija which our so called government officials/reps cannot do nor capable of doing(lootocracy). Bro, I very much understand and sympathise with your viewpoint because you are obviously nurtured/addicted to everything "Western"/Hollywood as your "standard"/yardstick that's not to say we do not acknowledge/accept some goodness from your worldview. "Quality" is a relative concept so we cannot be overly dogmatic and ascribing some "spurious" value to our own home grown industry which clearly is not competing with anybody. I believe Nollywood will improve immeasurably with time and with some of your "positive" criticisms taken on board they will surely be making some movies you'll find qualitatively good and perhaps attractive/conducive to your aesthetic taste too without the "voodoo" nor part 1, 2 and 3. . It's no biggie . Why are you so hung up about awards/validation by Hollywood(Americans)? I think the African world have actually validated the relative "quality" of Nollywood films by their massive popularity and consumption everywhere Africans(blacks) reside globally . To me the "Quality" debate is rather pseudo-intellectual and not exactly clear enough because your "technical" reasons may seem plausible but lacking in empathy and clear understanding of the environment in which those films are made/produced/marketed for our consumption. African awards are more meaningful for us and that is what matters including the financial rewards too hence it is a growing three hundred(300) million dollars industry.

Whether you like it or not, Hollywood will always be a pacesetter and modelled by any film industry outside the United States. Nollyhood actors themselves have recently teamed-up with Hollywood actors in the movie Dr Bello and hopefully its a dream of every Nigerian actor to feature in Hollywood movies.

afam4eva: I wonder ooo...i don't know when winning an oscar(an American award) has become a yardstick for adjudging movies. People should focus on getting awards from their country rather than waiting to be waiting to be validated by America.

There is an importance in that, because how will you come to know if your movies are the best if they do not receive honours from other nations?

cheikh: Msauza
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@^^Whaooo since when did Hollywood become our value system let alone the standard for Indians and Africans? My friend India is far bigger than USA in numbers of eyeballs watching movies and Africa via Naija perhaps bigger too. This talk about quality is not exactly right given the paucity of technology/finance available to our[b] enterprising [/b] self taught film makers. Our stories are yet to be told. Hollywood is lacking in original stories but full of electronic rassmatazz/gimmickry . Perhaps the gimmicks are the interesting part for you hence the talk about elusive and very subjective "quality". We should stop comparing Nollywood to Hollywood. They are two different value/technical systems. We do not manufacture film props and equipments anywhere in Africa except perhaps in "white" South Africa- that says a lot about the history of the country/film industry. Nigeria after all acquired/started TV(Western NIgeria) first in Africa but has anything changed for the better? The South African films you are so in love with are just mere films mimicking Western aesthetics without much relevance to Africans who should be the focus/market place not faraway NY-USA chasing shadows hence Nollywood is making more money/relevant than RSA film makers "quality" or not. The stories are relevant/enthralling to majority of the African world including the diaspora.Please review your aesthetic view point perhaps you may learn to appreciate the inherent beauty of Nollywood without "technical" wizardry/gimmickry. They will acquire the knowhow soon so no big deal.

You are missing a point here and your argument is irrelevant. We are speaking about the quality (The best) and not about who is making more money or who is producing more movies which sometimes does not make sense. Nollyhood movies still has a lot to improve, from picture, sound, cinematography and editing and besides most of their movies are recorded in the VCD format which freezes easily most of the time. The overuse of witchcraft and voodoo in most of their movies is very disturbing and the technology they use to depict such magical powers in practice is very amateurish and very insultive to our intelligence. The use of Part 1 , Part 2 and Part 3 to divide their movies is really unnecessary as they make the story long for no reason.

agaugust: PUBLIC RECORDS AND EVIDENCE AVAILABLE TO THE WHOLE WORLD PROVES THAT CUBA DEFEATED SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY NEAR THEIR HOME LAND ON AFRICAN SOIL.


(1) south african ex-president Thabo Mbeki declares the truth confirming that cuba defeated south african military on african home soil


QUOTE : "As we conversed with our hosts, we recollected the period in our region which ended just over a decade ago, which saw the involvement of

apartheid South Africa in a massive and concerted effort to impose its will on the region and thus extend the life of the apartheid crime against humanity.

Cuba's contribution to the defeat of that campaign of aggression and destabilisation against independent Africa was, of course, particularly exemplified by

its decisive involvement in the military struggle to defeat the apartheid forces that had invaded Angola soon after that country's independence from

Portugal.

The Cuban forces were to stay in Angola for over a decade. That stay ended only when, after their defeat at Cuito Cuanavale, the apartheid invaders

(south african military) understood that they would never be able to realise their objectives and that the Angolan people should have the freedom to determine their future. With

that realisation came the understanding in Pretoria that it could not dictate to the independent African states through the use of force. Neither could it

hold back the tide leading to the independence of Namibia and the liberation of South Africa."

browse full details on :
http://www.afrocubaweb.com/southafrica.htm



(2) wikipedia south african border war declares that cuba defeated south african military on african soil

QUOTE : " Cuba considerably reinforced its troops in Angola and came to the defence of the besieged FAPLA; the South African advance was stopped at

the Battle of Cuito Cuanavale, the largest battle in Africa since World War II, in which both sides have claimed victory. The bulk of the Cuban forces

advanced towards Namibia further to the west, threatening to cut off the SADF-Forces (south african military) remaining at Cuito. On 27 June 1988, Cuban MiG-23 fighters

bombed the Calueque hydro-electric complex at 16.7367°S 14.9669°E, disabling it and killing 12 SADF soldiers. For some analysts the stalemate at

Cuito and the death toll and vulnerability to Cuban MiGs was viewed with apprehension (fear) by the SADF (south african military )and may have had some bearing on the fact that a

peace accord was agreed soon afterwards."

browse full details on :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Border_War

You wish it could have been like that, but its untrue. Cubans never defeated South Africa. There were more Cubans who died in the border war than South Africans. There were more than 55000 Cubans who were deployed to Angola to fight against 3000 South African soldiers. Cubans failed to defeat 3000 South Africans to emancipate Namibia from SA colonisation. Apartheid South Africa volutarily liberated Namibia from colonisation in 1990 after the release of Nelson Mandela.

Here are facts;

If you claim that SA lost to Cuba, then why did it take them 23 years to defeat SA?
Until 1990 Namibia remained the colony of SA and there was no at any stage where Cuba managed to demolish SADF military installations as compared to how SA demolished Angola.

mchidi: I think nigerian military is the best in africa coz we got the number and also the equipment and also u can't compare sA with nigeria coz dey gat no war experience at all dey have nat fought any war at all yet dey compare SA to nigerian,that just the first point if nigeria decides to close all MTN & DSTV offices in SA will suffer huge economic loss coz nigeria is there largest market in africa so if south africa decides 2 pick a fight wit nigerian they will lose in the long run and remember nigeria is ECOMOG and ECOMOG is nigeria

Dear Mchudi: it is evident that your knowledge about military is very limited. You have asserted that SA does not have a history of engaging in war. In actual facts SA has a vast historical experience in war as compared to Nigeria. SA played an increasing role in both the 1st and 2nd world war. Notwithstanding, the fact that the longest war fought on African soil, that is the border war. Prior the border war SA waged war against the Germans in Namibia formerly known as South West Africa and overpowered them to seize Namibia to their power. Namibia remained the colony of SA for many years until SWAPO (political party in SWA/Namibia) called for independence from SA with the help of Angola and Cuba. That conflict marked the beginning of 23 year long war fought in the African Soil which was dubbed South African border war.

There are currently no sources which will ever conclude as to who won the battle between SA, Angola and Cuba. Aside Egypt, there was no any other country in Africa that could match or ever challenge SA in the battlefield. In the past South Africa used to enjoy the status of being called the Superpowers of Africa.

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Mogidi: 99% of Africans enjoy Nigerian films more than they do SA films. I live in London and can attest to the fact many Africans (especially women) I meet ask me about Genevieve, Omotola Ini edo etc. Am not a movie buff so I know very little about movies but the way other nationalities crave nigerian movies leads me to the fact that it may not be the best but they're the most watched and liked.

Facts:
Type African movies on youtube and you'd find out nollywood dominates the industry in both quantity and view count.
BlackBerry Babes has [b]2,096,287 views
Mad Sex 2 has 2,042,209 views

@Memphis357


Rome was not built in a day dude. I don't find German, Polish or French artists selling out concerts other than in their own countries.
I have never heard any Chinese song even though there are a billion of them.
P-Square - Chop My Money remix with Akon has a whopping 12,106,701 view count.
We should sometimes be optimistic about our achievements.

Do not confuse viewership and quantity with the best. The question is " Are Nigerian movies actually the BEST in Africa?". My dictionary tells me that quantity is a number and the fact is; you can produce more but fail to produce one quality work. The same thing happens in India where many movies are produced within days at a low cost, but still fail to make it to the Oscar awards. I lived in New York in the US for two years and everytime African movies were released in the US cinemas majority of them happened to be from SA. While I was there I watched Catch a fire, Schuks Shabalala, Mr bones 1 and 2, Jerusalema played in the united states cinemas.

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Mogidi: 99% of Africans enjoy Nigerian films more than they do SA films. I live in London and can attest to the fact many Africans (especially women) I meet ask me about Genevieve, Omotola Ini edo etc. Am not a movie buff so I know very little about movies but the way other nationalities crave nigerian movies leads me to the fact that it may not be the best but they're the most watched and liked.

Facts:
Type African movies on youtube and you'd find out nollywood dominates the industry in both quantity and view count.
BlackBerry Babes has [b]2,096,287 views
Mad Sex 2 has 2,042,209 views

@Memphis357


Rome was not built in a day dude. I don't find German, Polish or French artists selling out concerts other than in their own countries.
I have never heard any Chinese song even though there are a billion of them.
P-Square - Chop My Money remix with Akon has a whopping 12,106,701 view count.
We should sometimes be optimistic about our achievements.

Do not confuse viewership and quantity with the best. The question is " Are Nigerian movies actually the BEST in Africa?". My dictionary tells me that quantity is a number and the fact is; you can produce more but fail to produce one quality work. The same thing happens in India where many movies are produced within days at a low cost, but still fail to make it to the Oscar awards. I lived in New York in the US for two years and everytime African movies were released in the US cinemas majority of them happened to be from SA. While I was there I watched Catch a fire, Schuks Shabalala, Mr bones 1 and 2, Jerusalema played in the united states cinemas.

Eze Promoe: [color=scarlet]Msauza, just like you mentioned some SA films, there are also some good Nigerian movies like Mirror boy, Last flight, etc but the problem of some Nigerian film producers is that they do it in other to make gain, I can see that the reason is that the government don't fund this industry, so producers try hard to do all in their powers to avoid loss.[/color]

Film industry is not really a government affair. The government has a lot in hand to deliver public services and will not invest a cent unless is for a public interest, such as educating the public about the dangers of drugs, sex and HIV/AIDS. In essence, the government only regulate the market, such as child labour, age restrictions and to see if the movie will not polarise the society.

Eze Promoe: As a lover of African culture, i love watching Nollywood and found it interesting, no matter how people bashes the industry for lack of suspense. But just yesterday, i watched a South African opera and i was like WTF! Too boring! You can see some mistakes which is uncovered by the camera. Ghanaian movie industry is also coming up, pairing with the Nigerian movie industry. But be as bad as it is, i've never seen any African movie like Nollywood. Could my assumption be right, or could it be that i haven't made more exploration in Africa's cine world?

Not all the work in South Africa is done by professional film makers. Some of the work is assigned and done by amateurs and students. South Africa is the home to one of the best film schools in the continent and has also produced some of the best Nigerian film directors and producers. Nollyhood is good in terms of the volume, but the quality of their movies and story line leaves a lot to be desired. The background songs in Nigerian movies are creating a lot of problems because when you are busy watching the movie and appalled as to what will happen next, someone will be singing at the back giving you the clue of what exactly will happen. Such movies will never win you an international awards. The professional work of South Africans is very amazing and has even surprised the Americans to the extent that they have now turned SA into Hollyhood movie destination. Just watch district 9, Tsotsi, Jerusalema, the Lion's king, etc

ifyalways: Which kind of progress?

Political, socio economic, population, entertainment ?

All aspects of life, from politics and socio-economic arena.

onila: almost half of botswana population is infected for a small country that sucks. .botswana is shi.t!

only 3.5 of our population is infected
it has nothing to do with our population size or not

@ ONILA- Your comment is not only untrue but indirectly shows the level of your illiteracy. Why do you have to reduce this whole discussion into HIV/AIDS? Don't you know that it is an indisputable fact that AIDS is ravaging the whole of Africa like termites which are roaming about an anthill and very interesting, there is no any country in the world that had never been hit by a case of HIV and AIDS. Let us come into facts, Botswana and SA are the only two countries in Africa, which up to so far have successfully dealt with the scourge of this malaise. The continent's only two major ART project are found in those two aforementioned countries.

In terms of the latest WHO statistics, Botswana has estimated 300 000 people infected with HIV/AIDS and because of its small population of over 2million, this will produce more disturbing proportions. Dr Muller of the RED CROSS recently has noted and vehemently denied the conventional system by WHO of ranking countries hit by HIV/AIDS in terms of percentages in relation to their total population. This is very misleading, he noted, people are not only restricted in one area but travel from time to time. Majority of Batswana have dual citizenship and had always been their tradition to marry South Africans.

Here are the WHO stats:

An estimated 9.8% of the total population of South Africa is infected with HIV, which in reality is slightly over 5million people in relation to 52million South Africans. Nigeria has an estimated 3.6% of people infected with HIV and AIDS, in reality this will bring the number to 5.7million Nigerians living with HIV and AIDS in relation to the total population of 160million. All those numbers of people living with HIV/AIDS in both SA and Nigeria are by far bigger than Botswana

cjrane: I usually don't read this thread because i think it is meaningless. Nigeria and South Africa will never go into an armed conflict so that all the noise in this thread can not be tested. So i see it as pure speculative waste of time.

But i wish to point out a fallacy in your statement "Or Angola where we embarsed the cuban army". This statement is completely false.
The Cubans disgraced SADF and did win the Angolan conflict with MPLA remaining in power and Jonas Savimbi even killed in action.Perhaps you were too young to know the truth or you believed the propaganda they fed you in South Africa.

Indeed, the dismantling of apartheid and release of Dr. Nelson Mandela were part of Cuban demands before they would withdraw their forces and stop killing the then SADF.Indeed if it were not for fear of provoking a major US military intervention, the Cubans had every means of crossing the border into South Africa and sacking the racist regime in Pretoria. The SADF was not any obstacle at all. Have you asked yourself why Cuba (Fidel Castro) was about the first country and world leader that Dr. Mandela visited immediately he was released?

Your statement is not only incorrect but reflect the level of your misinformation about the border war. Buy yourself the book titled " The South African Border war" or google the wikipedia.

agaugust: i did not want to personally address any south african again on this issue, but i am forced to do so now. i had decided to write to the general public only, and just to correct some faulty opinions expressed here.

[b]SOUTH AFRICA HAS A WAY OF MAKING EXCUSES TO AVOID HEAVY COMBAT, AND AS A SOUTH AFRICAN COMMENTATOR, YOU HAVE THE SAME EXCUSE MAKING MANNER AND WAY OF AVOIDING A MORE RESPONSIBLE STANCE AND ACTION ON THE AFRICAN CONTINENT. if there is a will there is a way, dont tell me that a congo president will reject an offer to intervene with brigades and squadrons to liberate congo dr. i know all the fact about rwanda/uganda plundering congolese mineral resources, thats newspaper information. south africa avoids diplomatic tact in congo crisis that will open doors for an intervention force with very broad rules of engagement. nigeria was being frustrated by UN/AU on sudan but obasanjo was determined to stop the blood bath and our pressure broke the barrier, we landed in sudan. the sudanese army and supporter of APC militia did not see you as a threat, so they did not go to attack your camp at night with a whole battalion of attackers, they wanted nigeria out of sudan by discouraging us, they know who is the master of land warfare, they attacked the right contingent with heavy force.
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congo dr is a sovereign state and if it calls for south african full military support, no white man UN can stop him, does israel/USA/britain/france listen to the UN when their security is threatened? no, they act like real powers. they talk about their sovereign rights to take action and protect their selfish national interest. if congo dr asks for full south african forces to engage the invaders, he will not get that support even if he asks, because south africa is a paper tiger that will not go into heavy bloody combat in the hot zones of africa, they will send some soldier boys to show their presence and mark the attendance register, they wont send in brigades and squadrons, because of fear and also their manpower shortage !

i dont like addressing you personally because you use insulting language on this public forum, if you are a south african military man indeed, then you are in the file/junior cadre/NCO, but if you are in the ranks/officer cadre/CO, then you are displaying to all of us, the kind of commanders the south african military produces from their academy. a trained military officer from a good academy speaks and writes with caution and he selects his use of language/words, especially in a public forum.

If I look at your previous posts they do not really reflect what you are preaching about. The kind of language you used was so bitter to the degree of undermining the level of your maturity. In many occasions you appeared to be so unreasonable, so unsound and irrational to the extent that I even suggested medical therapy.

Here are some of the facts for your indulgence:

Military is not judged by the size of its manpower, but by the kind and effectiveness of weaponry they use. In that respect it is indisputable fact that South Africa is well equiped than Nigeria. I would not nor even attempt to argue the strength of SA military against US military, looking into their huge budget, their well trained fighter pilots and their organised logistical support. It is for this reason that most of the third world countries are considered superpowers. Look at Spain which has a sizable population of almost one third of Nigeria's population, but will that arrive to the conclusion that the Spaniards are less powerful than Nigerian military? I know that Nigeria like to compare itself to South Africa in many respects and I bet if you model SA to measure your military strength and economic successes you are aiming too low. You better model the likes of the US and UK, so that tomorrow when you wake up, you will be miles away from SA. That dream will not come easy though, it will be a long tedious process that will require commitment of the highest order by your politicians and sometimes is bound to fail due to a human factor such as greed, corruption, embezzlement and money laundering.


Do not go after what analysts write about Nigeria concerning its possible market explosion that will surpass that of South Africa in 20 what-what to the extent of even being more developed than SA in terms of infrastructure. That is a ghost promise, such information is unreliable and only suggest that South Africa's economy would be stagnant while their Nigerian counterparts flourishes. South Africa possesses a large number of world class economists and expertise, who from time to time advises the Minister in the office of planning, headed by Trevor Manuel about how to expand markets in order to remain economically relevant.
Today, China's economic growth outpace that of the US, but it will be long dream for china to completely beat America in all respect.

shymexx: Nah, it's your assignment for today - go research about how the border war played a role in ending apartheid in SA... If it were just because of Namibia, ANC wouldn't have joined on the Angolan and SWAPO side - everything was intertwined(Angolan civil war, border war, and war against apartheid; 3 in 1)...

Namibia was more like a buffer zone between Apartheid SA and the rest of Africa, since Zimbabwe was still a quasi-British colony at that point in history...

Read more, son - daddy is home!!

You read about the history of South Africa and now you want to teach me. I have never read about it, I lived it. Very interesting indeed!!!

This is amazing indeed!!! The war that took place many years ago saved our a*sses, let alone the fact that it was lost. How does it come that it saved us when we were only liberated in 1990 when the new president by then (Mr De Klerk) was appointed and heeded to our call to release Nelson Mandela, unbanned all former liberation movements, liberated Namibia and facilitated for the talks to end apartheid. That is the reason he shared the noble peace prize with Madiba and hated among the white community in SA as he is labelled as a traitor and back stabber.

shymexx: So, you expect Mugabe to deploy his army to save your ar.ses when his country was also still a quasi-apartheid state at that point in history, huh?? He tried his best to support the ANC indirectly - deploying Zimbabwean army against apartheid SA would have been suicidal!! Bear in mind that West(including Israel) were behind the apartheid regime and they supported them with everything...

The military wing of ANC(including Mandela) were trained in Libya and many African countries contributed in the guerrilla warfare against your slave masters... Heck, Angola and Afro-Cubans did all your hard work for you, by shattering the buffer zone the apartheid government created between SA and the rest of Africa - and they had no choice but to start looking for a way out after that...

Be grateful, mate!!

The war that saved your ar.ses!!

Bwahahaha, is this not rhetoric? The same happens to us. Did you expect Madiba to deploy his armies in 1994 to Rwanda when his country was still a quasi-apartheid state?

shymexx: ^^^^Every black South African who disrespects Angolans/Afro-Cubans/Africans/black-world deserves to be slapped!!! Angola lost more than 5 million people to give you freedom - be grateful!!

You see, that is where you are wrong, the Angolans fought for the liberation and independence of Namibia which only gained their independence in 1990 through Mr De Klerk( the last president of the former regime) who also released Mandela from prison. Remember that Namibia is the former colony of South Africa, that's why even today the main language that is widely spoken in Namibia is Afrikaans. Go and make your research and that is your assignment for today.

shymexx: This is why I personally think Nelson Mandela is the most overrated African ever!!! Robert Mugabe is everything Mandela will never be... Mugabe sent Zimbabwe soldiers to Congo to help them against Rwanda/UK/US sponsored rebels, when his country was deep in the toilet...

Mandela is all noise, but no substance - overrated icon, ask Winnie...

This is rhetoric, the very same Mugabe failed to deploy his armies during the dark days of apartheid when the sons and daughters of South Africa were doomed like cockroaches. When oppression and harassment by the apartheid police was the order of the day and when the whole world abandoned us by claiming that they are exercising pressure from outside. Why didn't they exert pressure within or should I say they feared SA military which was rumoured to be stockpiling a powerful atomic and nuclear weaponry. I am just asking though?

Not even a single country was deployed to our rescue and that made us hopeless to the extent of not even seeing the reason to live anymore. The youth of the country had to stand and declare that enough is enough and to charge against a heavily armed police and soldiers bare handed without any bulletproofs whatsoever to protect their bodies. That's why resistance and defiance run in the veins of South Africans and has since become part of our DNA. We do not take nonsense for nothing and the fighting spirit is in us. Nigerians should have long ago declared their revolution, it does not mean that when the government is run by a black man then there will be nothing wrong. I heard you as Nigerians are not cowards, so why can't you use your bravery to get your house in order first?

agaugust: ANYONE WITH BETTER FACTS OF HISTORY ? 1994 MANDELA WAS PRESIDENT, AND 1994 RWANDAN GENOCIDE SAW 800,000 BLACKS DIE IN CIVIL WAR, SOUTH AFRICA WATCHED THE BLOOD OF ITS FELLOW BLACKS WASTED. CONGO DR HAS BEEN IN CIVIL WAR AND EXTERNAL INVASION UP TILL TODAY AND SOUTH AFRICA CANNOT MOVE IN TO SAVE CONGO DR. A LIVING DOG IS BETTER THAN A DEAD LION, THAT IS A WORD OF WISDOM. A WRITER SAYS HERE THAT SOUTH AFRICA HAS 3,000 SOLDIERS IN MISSIONS ABROAD, I DONT KNOW THE REAL NUMBERS, BUT WE KNOW THEY ALWAYS AVOID REAL COMBAT, THEY DONT WANT TO DIE, BUT THEY WANT TO BE AFRICA'S NUMBER ONE SOLDIERS WHO TACTICALLY AVOID LIVE BULLETS AND LIVE BOMBS IN COMBAT ZONES. A POST HERE SAYS SOUTH AFRICA HAS 1,200 SOLDIERS IN CONGO DR, YET THAT NUMBER IS LESS THAN THE ESTIMATED 1,500 NIGERIAN SOLDIERS WHO DIED IN ECOMOG COMBAT ZONES ALONE. THE ACCLAIMED NUMBER ONE MILITARY POWER IS SO TINY WHEN IT COMES TO PUTTING MEN INTO THE BATTLEFIELD, SO WHAT IS POWER ? WHAT IS TOP RANKING ? DO YOU GET TO THE TOP OF FIFA FOOTBALL RANKINGS BY PARADING SUPER FOOTBALLERS AND YET NOT PLAYING MATCHES AND WINNING FOOTBALL COMPETITIONS ? WHAT IS RANKING? IS IT A JOKE ? IS IT AN ANALYSIS PEOPLE MAKE IN THEIR BEDROOMS ?

MILITARY RANKINGS IS NOT ONLY JUDGED BY STOCKPILE OF WEAPONS AND DEFENCE INDUSTRIES MANUFACTURING LISTS. REAL MILITARY ACHIEVEMENT IN WAR IS A MAJOR FACTOR IN RANKING MILITARY POWER, OTHERWISE WE WILL OVER-RATE A FAT COW WITH PLENTY OF FLESH MEAT BUT VERY SHORT DWARF HORNS ON ITS HEAD. SOUTH AFRICA HAS TROOPS IN CONGO DR YET THAT COUNTRY KNOWS NO PEACE, IT IS STILL IN PIECES. IF THERE IS ANY TRUE MILITARY GIANT IN THE SOUTHERN HALF OF AFRICA WHO RANKS NUMBER ONE, LET HIM WAKE UP AND CLEAN UP THE MESS IN CONGO DR, GIANTS DO BIG THINGS, NOT SMALL THINGS. GIANTS SHOW THEIR POWER ON THE BLOODY BATTLEFIELD AND NOT ON THE INTERNET WEBSITES.


SOUTH AFRICAN SOLDIERS ARE IN SUDAN, HOW MANY DIED IN REAL COMBAT ? THE BODIES OF MANY NIGERIAN SOLDIERS WERE BROUGHT HOME FOR BURIAL TO THEIR WEEPING WIDOWS JUST A FEW YEARS AGO AFTER THE SUDANESE ARMY AND supporter of APC MILITIA MEN ATTACKED OUR PEACE KEEPING NIGERIAN INFANTRY WHEN OUR MEN SLEPT AT NIGHT. WE HAD NO HEAVY WEAPONS BECAUSE WE JUST WENT TO KEEP PEACE AND THE UN WAS NOT GIVING US ENOUGH FUNDS TO TRAVEL THOUSANDS OF KILOMETERS AWAY FROM HOME ALMOST IN THE MIDDLE EAST TO INTERVENE IN A BLOODY 25 YEAR OLD WAR. NIGERIAN SOLDIERS FOUGHT AND DIED DURING THAT ATTACK, BUT THE WORLD WAS SURPRISED THAT WITH LIMITED NUMBERS OF MEN AND LIGHT ARMS, THE LARGER SUDANESE FORCE COULD NOT BREAK INTO THE TEMPORARY CAMP THE NIGERIANS SLEPT IN. TRUE WARRIORS GO AND LOOK FOR DEATH WHERE IT CAN BE FOUND, COWARDS SAY WE TOO ARE THERE FOR RECORD PURPOSES, BUT WE WONT BE IN THE FIRING LINE TO DIE, WE HAVE WIVES AND CHILDREN WAITING FOR US BACK HOME, WE DONT WANT TO DIE IN SUDAN'S WAR !

WHEN GENERAL MARTIN LUTHER AGWAYI NIGERIA'S EX-ARMY CHIEF WAS TO RETIRE, THE UN INSISTED HE BE RETAINED TO HEAD THE UN/AU FORCE IN SUDAN/DARFUR AT THAT TIME, THE UN DID NOT SHOP FOR A SOUTH AFRICAN GENERAL WHO DOES NOT WANT TO DIE AS REPLACEMENT FOR THE NIGERIAN ARMY GENERAL, NOT EVEN FROM EGYPT, THE UN WANTED A NATION WITH PROVEN AND BATTLE TESTED MEN AND COMMANDERS, THE ADVANCED WESTERN NATIONS MAN KNOWS WHO CAN WIN A WAR.

ANYONE BEEN TO THE LIBRARY ? PLEASE GRAB A COPY OF THE BOOK I MENTIONED, SMALLEST BOOK IN THE WORLD, IT IS THE LIST OF SOUTH AFRICAN MILITARY HEROES 1990 TO 2012. YOU WILL READ IT ALL IN 5 MINUTES, THE BOOK ACTUALLY HAS LESS THAN ONE PAGE !

Military is not a football and the rankings are not determined by the number of soldiers who died in action. Infact, if you die at war in mass it shows your weakness, your inability to contain your enemy using the right equipment and complete failing to assess and reconnaissance the battle field before you deploy your armies. It is only baboons that leads the whole troops into traps. This was the reason South Africa has its own Military University which is in partnership with Stellenbosch University in Saldanah to educate their officers about the Military Geography, planning and strategising, espionage, art of war, electronics, engineering, etc, where at the completion of their academic training are awarded with BMil(Bachelor of Military) degree. The president of America, Mr Roosevelt once said the strength of one country's military is determined by its wealth, their ability to manufacture arms and where possible acquire them by means of trade and dedication to train their armies to handle and use such weaponry effectively.

sheyie2007: You got access to all these in the 90s... I'm proud to come from a black nation that has ruled itself since the 60s and still made economic achievements this great...we'll get there ...

Ohhhh!! What have you achieved? Cassava, yam yam and pepper soup. Bwahahahahaha

sheyie2007: No matter how much of these you post on this platform, it won't hurt any nigerian emotionally cuz we know, your colonial masters are behind all your achievements till date..enjoy the moment bra

The question is what have your white masters did for you? Bwahaahahahahaha. Nothing. Perhaps, they have seen that there was something wrong with you upstairs.

sweetcheecks: @Shymex, that will not work on me broer, what Nigerians do try to make themselves feel better about their country's state of affairs by talking nonsense thinking we will feel bad. Aint happening broer, you will have it blow by blow. Humulity my big backside , You must start by clogging your pie hole with yam then you'll get somekind of aknowladgement from MSAZAS.

By the way, Steve Bantu Biko was a South African, Xhosa and a very proud one like the rest of them Xhosa men. If you want to use our Steve Biko to justify you nonsense you are
mistaken. Try finding you own world recognised heros. I know
no one of such statute being Nigerian.

Nigerians are nothing more than proffessional bullshiters', with a country which has mastered organised chaos.

@Sweetchicks, sisi we are wasting our energies. It seems as if we are missing something here, the so called brave Nigerians do not have their own heroes. Whenever they speak about African heroes they will point out our brands such as Bikos, Mandelas, Shakas, Tambos, Sisulus, Tutus,etc. I have never heard of any from their side. Bwahahahahahahaahahaha!!!

shymexx: You started the name calling by labelling us the "most greediest"(whatever that means) in the world... I gave you the right comparisons(black SA army vs. Nigerian army)... If you're really interested in chest-beating - you would have responded to that...

Black South Africans need to pay homage to all the black people in world because we gave you lot freedom...

I told you that you must come to SA so that we can offer you a free treatment for your madness, unlike in Niger where you will have to pay for it even though you are paying for your taxes. I promise you that you will receive a best world class treatment in the world best hospital absolutely free. Don't hesitate and waste valuable time while your condition is still treatable.

shymexx: You and I know that they wouldn't have won, if it were to be them fighting against apartheid by themselves... The whole black world, from London, North America, South America to all of black Africa fought for them... The pressure forced the West to go against their "apartheid brothers" in SA... The defeat the apartheid army suffered in Angola and the subsequent independence won by Namibia, Zimbabwe etc. also contributed to their freedom...


Black South Africans are ungrateful people, to be honest...

Did you drink your medication? You need a serious therapeutic treatment. Oh!!! I forget that Nigerian hospital does not have the right training to cure your medical conditions, you either have to be flown to us or Europe. Poor shame!!! You are disgraceful to your countrymen and am quite certain that majority of them disown you.