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South Africas Government is richer than its Naai-gerian counterpart. FACT!!!

NaijaPikinGidi: That remains wasteful ... no use! No qualified pilots. I could go on! Why are you waiting to take Rooivalks and hardware to DRC if not because your SANDF is insisting that the UN must pay immediately for the cost of the deployments. That's the difference between Nigeria and your South Africa. Nigeria deploys men and hardware first ... at our own cost and asks for UN reimbursement later. So much for South African "big budget"!

Not qualified pilot but yet are far better than Nigerian pilots. A country that does not even have a civilian Airline because people are scared of flying proudly Nigerian Airline. We have trained many of your pilots, today you have all the guts in the world to point a finger to your masters. You do not even know how deployments work, every South Africas hardware under the UNs inventry has got to be signed for before leaving the shores.

chris365: it's obvious you are an ignoramus with a computer. you don't even have a clue of what you are saying. read your own comments and judge for yourself.

SA still receives large amount of military aid till date and it has been proven several times.

[size=14pt]In 2010 and 2011 South Africa was scheduled to receive $800 000 in Foreign Military Financing, according to the US Department of State. Foreign Military Financing to South Africa topped out at around $1 million but now stands at around $750 000 per annum, according to the Africom official.[/size]
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30196&Itemid=107

I have said it before Military aid is better than charity case. BTW! We were scheduled to receive what we have never received.

chris365: we don't have submarines but our navy have gone for countless anti submarine warfare training. hence, we have the capability to destroy your submarines.

military budget doesn't translate to strong military tactics. there are many gulf arab states that spend more than israel in defense but cried for help just to quell a crisis which they have money to tackle in their backyard.

this is one of the reasons why we call you south africans liars and hypocrites. your government receives more US military aid than Nigeria. they help you maintain all your shiny equipment you bought and can't maintain yourselves.

[size=15pt]US military aid supports SAAF C-130s[/size]
According to an official from the US military’s Africa Command (Africom), most of the $750 000 per year of the US government’s Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grant money is used to support Hercules aircraft, and includes things like buying spares and providing aircrew training. Aircrew use simulators in the United States to practice emergency procedures that would be too risky with real aircraft.

In 2010 and 2011 South Africa was scheduled to receive $800 000 in Foreign Military Financing, according to the US Department of State. Foreign Military Financing to South Africa topped out at around $1 million but now stands at around $750 000 per annum, according to the Africom official.

Other foreign military financing goes towards the South African Navy - money goes towards an adaptor on a submarine hatch collar, the official said.
http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=30196&Itemid=107

read the rest for more surprises

If you speak about C-130s we received that long time ago when I was not even born. Nigeria is still America's Charity case, that's a fact. Deal with it.

Your National budget is too small, even smaller than South Africas Gauteng province alone.

NaijaPikinGidi: You obviously spend wastefully, whereas Nigeria spends with wisdom, tact, and on a needs or threat based order of priority! We don't have permanent cold storage space for hardware and crafts that are surplus to requirement like SANDF. You think you spend more ... but how has that impacted on your misadventures to CAR and DRC?

We received gifts and have put the gifts into good use, just like you received currently much older gifts decades ago and have not deemed them obsolete enough for replacement! Your Dakotas cannot compare to Nigeria's brand new Alenia ATR surveyors. Fully paid for ... so why can't your so called military budget afford replacements for those third-hand aircoffins?

Does Nigeria need submarines? YES! Do we need them now? NO! Can we destroy your submarines? Try us and see!

Your ANC blablabla ... Anyways, we have discussed this several times over ... not worth recycling again! Enjoy!

Who said that we spend wastefully? We surely don't because we must protect our oceans and airspace. Look what is happening now in Naaigeria where pirates and insugents have found themselves comfort zone. Thus, do you want SA to become part of statistics, surely that is not the course we want to take.

souldust: you still cannot call it a military aid becos military aid brings to mind all that which the likes of Israel, Egypt and Columbia gets.

Btw, whats wrong with taking military aid? It only goes to show we have good friends. Friends you can only dream of. Birds of a feather, they say, flock together. Becos we have good friends is why you can believe that we are good people

Military aid is even better than becoming a charity case. Military aid comes in hard cash and you chose what to buy from it.

Augustine Again: .




it amazes me how a nigerian civilian is kicking all south african military men around like a football on military matters, i just wonder what the real nigerian military men will do to south african military men on the battlefield.....naija will delete mandela's nation from the map of africa




thats a youtube real life video of Mi-24 Helicopter take-off/landing ! its not wikipedia story....you big buffoon




world standard for helicopters is that they have 100% ability to take off and land vertically on one spot without any need of runs, any helicopter that cannot do that vertical take of landing has a serious technical problem.

maybe your south african Rooivalk helicopter then falls in that class of low engine power helicopters, no wonder no country has purchased one single unit of the low engine power south african half-french made Rooivalk helicopter

read and educate your 33% south african brain http://www.copters.com/pilot/run_takeoff.html

here is another video of Mi-24 Hind helicopter from engine off to start to take off from one single spot without any runway runs and the helicopter is armed....33% south african brain

NNS Thunder of nigeria can carry NAF Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunship. FACT !!!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xxa8stNA2iE


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Well, with stupidity I will agree with you that you are kicking them all over the places but with intelligence that's a big no. Surely you never knew that a gunship can take off in full speed, thanks I introduced that to you. There is a technical advantage to release pressure from the rotor of helicopter, it helps to reduce take off time. That's why gunships always appear to have moved some few metres from the initial spot. Remember, a metre is just a normal walking steps.

Sometimes it becomes so difficult to argue with a Nigerian, because the whole of Nigeria is a bush, unindustrialised and primitive country. The whole world knows that you cannot compare Nigeria to SA in terms of developments. The country whose 70% population are still stucked in villages and so, that would always be a problem when you try to make a sense in the 419 brain because they rely more on internet for information other than observation.

NaijaPikinGidi: You received a gift! And you are making a mountain about the same action towards another country? Check the current age of the gift you received and hopefully you'll see that Nigeria bought brand new surveillance aircrafts that outperforms your Dakota air-coffins. Anyways you got third-hand gifts!! Pitch-black pot calling kettle black?

Does Nigeria have Submarines? No

We spend more than Nigeria can only dream of in Military expenditure.

FACT! Nigeria still receives gifts at this age and era, you remain the biggest America's charity case. Our new ANC government has never received anything from America that concern military.

Augustine Again: How many times will you tell the same lie that is clearly proved false with sources ?

see reason why no smart person on nairaland respects and believes you again. you tell lies too much.

you have lost all your credibility on this forum.

what do you gain from deceiving people ? make your country look good and other peoples country look bad ?

i wonder what values and morals your kids will have in life since you their father is like this.

SIPRI ORG ARMS TRANSFER DATABASE is a public source and respected worldwide in military matters. i posted it many times here and it says America US Air Force transferred its own used 5 Dakota aircraft to South Africa in 1966 as second hand gifts.

the december 2012 crashed south african Dakota of year 1943 manufacture is third hand gift from US air force to Royal air force and all those air forces used the aircraft and that is why the sources i quoted from inside south africa, all mentioned the different registration numbers used on the same aircraft by america and britain, that means they used the aircraft and gave south africa as third hand hand-me-down gift. FACT !!!

now you south africans leave NNS Thunder alone or i keep posting your own rusted Dakota air force maritime aircraft that are all older in age than nigerian NNS Thunder warship . FACT !!!

if south africans like to give other people s..h..i..t, then be ready to receive the same dose of your own medicine from nigerians. FACT !!!



S.ource : SIPRI Arms Transfers Database Information generated: 05 September 2013


S.upplier/R.ecipient

U.S.A/South Africa

Year Nos.
Nos. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments

5 DC-4/C-54 Dakota Transport aircraft 1964 1966 5 Second hand


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South Africa received gifts in 1966 while Nigeria receive theirs at this modern age in 2011. Nigeria is still an America's charity case even at this day and age. Shame!!!

Augustine Again: you say i dont know anything about military, okay, let me teach you @fighter pilot that helicopters are neither VTOL or V/STOL as aeroplanes, go find out the meanings on google or english dictionary.

i now prove my point with a video, NNS Thunder can carry Mi-35 Hind helicopter. no need of running space for take off or landing FACT !!!!!

reason why Tanzania's army is boss over south african army in Congo DRC....33% soweto brains cannot fathom how a helicopter takes off and land


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBoegaVK_Vw


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Agaugust that is called running take off and I have seen it being done with rooivalk.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2wGXDHrHZY&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DD2wGXDHrHZY

You are disgracing yourself big time lately. Gunships do not behave like ordinary helicopters.

2smooth2shout: this your gbagaun answer sef proves it to be a lie..lol

You can cry as harder as you want to without facts. The whole world from South America, North America, Europe, Asia, Ocenia to Africa know that the Denel's made snyper weapon has made history that day. It is a much talked about incident in South Africa and been all over the local and international news. Well done our pride of the lions!!!

Augustine Again: It tells me that you told a big lie.

Actually, SA was even robbed of that title because in accordance with the BBC correspondent in Congo DR the distance from where the snypers where positioned to where one officer was knocked was quite more than 2.2Km which could be close to 2.5km.

Augustine Again: source please, a reliable source .

remember your south african Lt.General has denied any SANDF sniper k.ill in congo DRC....its a fake report like Seleka k.ll ratio

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It tells me that you do not watch BBC news.

Augustine Again: source please, a reliable source .

That is confirmed my frendo, I have even saw it on BBC news

Currently there are only four countries in the world who managed to take out target at over 2Km away with a confirmed snypers killer shot and they are;

1. UK
2. US
3. South Africa, and
4. Canada

There is also one unconfirmed case in Australia and where is Nigeria? Nah!! I am just asking.

Augustine Again: .

[size=16pt]meet nigerian army's best female sniper for year 2006...sergeant emily okpa

http://obiakpere..ca/2006/12/meet-nigerian-armys-best-female-sniper.html [/size]


[img]http://beegeagle.files./2012/11/407449_311906345523851_1365050652_n.jpg[/img]
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That is just a medium range snyper rifle, hence is only accurate at closer distance of 300-500m. That cannot take out the target standing at over 2.5Km away.

chris365: you should know that every military has it's own training. Nigerian regular soldiers are trained to be snipers, that's why when we didn't have special forces in the 90s, we still had snipers that saw action in somalia, SL, and Liberia.

I've shown pictures of Nigerian long range sniper rifles currently in use by the army and information i got says not only the special forces are trained to have such skills.

Snipers are old in the army and they've seen action in every military intervention Nigeria participated in.

@augugust showed proof of NA snipers suppressing and taking out enemy targets in somalia during the 1990 operation restor hope.

Snipers are not a new trend in NA

You had snypers but not advanced trained snypers who could take the target from over 2Km away. Any snyper with such a skill are one of the few and many forces to date are still struggling to produce such a capability.

By the way which kind of snyper weapons do you use in Nigeria? Don't ever tell me its a secret again.

Augustine Again: please sir, after the expatriate nigerian mathematics teacher helps your son at school in johannesburg, beg him to come teach you also privately at home part time...you need that nigerian upgrade too

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I don't have a child who is taught by any Nigerian mathematics teacher. My child attend model C schools where you won't even see any Nigerian.

Augustine Again: after proving you south africans wrong with simple mathematics...

NNS Thunder flight deck 24m length
Mi-24 Helicopter 18m length

all measurement information freely available on google....

why should i keep wasting my time repeating the same post/comments again and again 77 times for a 33% brain that cannot put an 18m shoe into a 24m shoe box ? get it ?

make sure one of those nigerian mathematics teachers we sent to help south africa is teaching your son, so that he does not grow up to be like you

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@Agaugust, damn it!! You such a stupid freek!!

24-18= 6 and 6/2=3

Those calculations are just estimations because out of that free 6m space no pilot is so accurate to land exactly at the half mark of 6m. What on your mind has never happened because pilot do not think with their a.sses but their head. Those insinuations of yours are childish and would not be risked by any professional pilot.

Any helicopter which is between 18-20m in length would require an open and much bigger landing platform of over 30m for safe landing and take-offs.

Just like you mentioned before that any ship will have to be fortified to carry double the weight of its permissible load, that applies to the length and breath(beam) of its flight deck as well, which must be doubled to meet its safety standards.

I guess you never looked at that or either you wittingly ignored it.

Augustine Again: sit down in south africa and continue to post your own personal opinions of what you dont know, and is happening in america. i dont get paid for trying to educate a fool that does not travel.....not interested in time wasting

Simply because you are wrong and will have to admit your mistakes. NNS thunder cannot be used as a landing platform for Gunships. FACT!!!

Just admit it, you are beaten, period!!!

agaugust: even foolish countries of the world like Togo have army snipers that can k.ill at long ranges.

since when did old 1940 world war II sniper tactics become a great topic to debate about ? its nothing special, go read war history of 1940 long range army snipers.

That is a lie. Not every country has that capability, no wonder it takes ages for any person to make his mark. It is generally not easy to pick the target from over 2km away, I can give that assignment to hundreds of Nigerian snypers, none of them would ever do it the first time. Nigerias special forces are still very young and have a lot still to learn. Many poor countries do not use long range snyper weapons and hence have not been properly trained in that regard.

Snypers are not necessarily long range sharp shooters because we have many different types of snypers. Some are gifted to pick the target with just a mere assault rifle but definately not AK 47 because it is very inaccurate due to its inherent sights which are not adjustable. So many countries can only go that far as snypers are concerned.

agaugust: NNS Thunder can carry a Mi-24 Hind helicopter gunship. FACT. PROVED.

however, i just said if it does, but nigerian navy has no plan to use a nigerian airforce helicopter on NNS Thunder, the plan is to use a specially made naval helicopter and the choice is AS 555 Fenneck helicopters from france because those have anti-submarine capabilities.

some new information coming in from beegeagle also says there is likely option of nigerian Type 056 brand new stealth warship from china carrying Z-9 naval helicopters which can be armed with 300km long range anti-ship missiles, we are awaiting any official information on that.





"Coast Guard cutters with their Jayhawks HH-60Js and other helicopters performed security and interdiction in the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm and also in 2003 for Operation Enduring Freedom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HH-60_Jayhawk


fool, that very NNS Thunder is one of the american coast guard cutters that operated on many different voyages and missions together with warships in Persian Gulf carrying Jayhawk helicopter much bigger than a Mi-24 Hind on its flight deck....fool

"In 1998, Chase departed with the USS Russell (DDG-59), USS Crommelin (FFG-37), and the USS O'Brien (DD-975) for Military Interdiction Operations (MIO) in the Persian Gulf. During this patrol, the Chase diverted four vessels in violation of United Nations Sanctions against Iraq, interdicted 1,527,740 gallons of fuel-oil, and conducted eighty-six gunnery exercises."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USCGC_Chase_(WHEC-718)

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Chief what you are insinuating is impossible, that's why your Airforce cannot even think about it. The flight deck of NNS thunder is only 24m by length and most gunships range from 18-20m, which means they will only have about 4m extra space that will have to be shared further in halve leaving only 2m from the front to the rear. That is too risky indeed because gunships are not just ordinary helicopters, they are huge. I wonder if you had ever seen one with your n*aked eye. The US had many bigger ships than the chase and how sure are you that Jayhawk was specifically used to land on the chase other than much bigger alternative landing platforms.

chris365: yeah right.. you just proved your stupid1dy by posting a disgruntled statement of more than a year ago. a few soldiers misbehaved, so what? did you hear him talk about any of our neighbors having the capability to invade Nigeria?[size=15pt] NO[/size]

my post came from a diplomatic row SA had with ZIM recently which SA yielded out of fear of ZIM.

i made a statement and backed it up. so far all i see from you is just anger and squabble.

i would like to talk further but you are to dunce for me. chow now

am still waiting for that picture of your monkey relative.

What is it that South Africa fear about Zim?

agaugust: are you south africans all a nation of mathematical fools ? no wonder pretoria is begging nigeria to send you more and more nigerian mathematics and science teachers to open your blind eyes and improve your 33% brain in mandela's rainbow nation.

instead of you to use mathematical data to determine how an helicopter will land on a ships flight deck, you are using your ordinary eye sight....fool

Mi-35 Hind helicopter is even shorter than the 18m i said, its FULL length from tail rotor end to overhead rotor end and gun pod in the nose all together is 17.5 m and that is 6.5m smaller than the NNS Thunder flight deck and that means if the Hind lands on the Thunder there is still extra free space of a whole 21 feet free space between the helicopter and the ships structures and only at the front of the helicopter do you have a structure 21 feet far away, on all two sides and backside of the helicopter is open free always empty air space you fool

21 feet is more than enough space to park a 16 feet long Honda Accord car and leave extra space. you are a foolish navy cook in south africa, the whole of mandela's navy does not know applied mathematical geometry....rainbow nation of fools

19.76m long american jayhawk helicopters have been landing of NNS Thunder Hamiliton class ships at random without any accident or mistake, and the american helicopter is over 6 feet longer than Mi-35 Hind....you fool

"Coast Guard cutters with their Jayhawks HH-60Js and other helicopters performed security and interdiction in the Persian Gulf in 1991 in support of Operation Desert Storm and also in 2003 for Operation Enduring Freedom."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HH-60_Jayhawk

it is only foolish pilots like in that published media news of south african air force Rooivalk helicopter gunship pilots that flew the helicopter in broad daylight and entered into city street electricity cables flying helicopter like a blind bat, because his south african brain cannot calculate distance between two objects

now stop all these time wasting argument that show how badly south african military men apply basic mental calculations wrongly on a battlefield, no wonder the UN does not trust SANDF and they asked a Tanzanian man to be ordering your army about with all your DENEL shiny weapons....fools

CASE CLOSED !

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Dude, we know that you are a master of mathematics, in particular geometry and trigonometry to calculate all those spaces which will make safe landing of the gunship on that tiny NNS thunder. Even though we are not that sharp in mathematics we cannot just be easily fooled around by self appointed mathematics professor. What you are insinuating is grossly impossible and hence your assertions and analysis of probabilities are untenable. The extra space of 6.8-7m is still not a safe space for the attack helicopter's take off because the do not just take off as if they re being lifted by a crane. NNS thunders heliport deck was meant for light utility helicopters which are by far smaller than many Gunships.

It is often uncomfortable for helicopter pilots to be extra careful everytime they have to make a landing or take off, that is the reason why the floor is made as wide enough as possible for pilots not to worry about any possible threats. Why would the gunship ever be carried by a ship with such a small landing floor. That is just an inconvenience and a grievous risk that a professional pilot would never dare to take, perhaps you mistaken NNS thunder as a valour class frigate.

chris365: where's the lie there.. ode

When Rwanda was giving you orders was the anything wrong there?

chris365: yeah, reminds me of our snipers using FN fal in somalia.. Nigerian military no be today o

we like to go close than from afar like your cowards

Snypers do not have to come any close to the target unless they are still amateur and doubt their skills. The most highly trained snypers pick their target from kilometres away.

agaugust: .

NOW TRENDING...current topic on worlds forums...How a small Tanzania Now Orders big South Africa Around In Congo DRC

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I can't believe this stupidity.

OMG!! Boko Haram strikes yet again, despite heavy deployment of the army to the regions most affected by terrorist attacks. Instead these cowards called NA send mere civilians to fight BH on their behalf and only to find that they fall on the death trap set by the insurgents. It looks like Boko Haram has captured Army vehicles, weapons and their uniforms and use them to lure civilians to their death trap. Here I bet with you, The Nigerian military is defeated, period. It is just only a matter of time that they will officially announce to the world that they have finally lost the battle against terror and that the UN must takeover.

http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-23918155

swanky@vodamail:
The envy is killing them big time fact they ran away from a UN mission end of the story we are in the DRC making history whether they like it or not while their army is at home getting the beating of their lives and we are still waiting for the body of Shekau the BK leader their army claimed that they have killed that what I call propaganga

Bwahahahahaha!! Yes, We want to see that body and instead the big primate Jonathan keeps on making the noise by making childish rants that they are winning the war against terror while people are being killed everyday in Nigeria. Today is Sunday, that is the feast party of BH where they strike the most. I wonder what will they be up to this Sunday.

NaijaPikinGidi: Please stop fooling around! We are not playing silly South African University Games here! LWKMD.

I guess your gunships will squeeze nicely in that small heliport deck. Bearing in mind that gunships use wheels to land instead of ordinary stands (pods). Agaugust has a thing or two to teach us indeed.

Piekkie Greeff pushing on SANDF to deploy Rooivalk without any fuss.

http://www.enca.com/south-africa/give-un-rooivalk-helicopters-greeff

agaugust: ....while the south african army does the R.aping and M.urder of innocent girls and women/wives of other people in Congo DRC

"The SANDF is supposed to be a "disciplined military force". However, there have been 93 cases of misconduct brought against members of the SANDF serving in the DRC. Of the 93 cases, most shockingly, at least 23 involve R.ape, s.exual exploitation, s.exual abuse and assault of women. These include, for example:

- Alleged s.exual molestation;

- R.ape and murder of a Burundian girl;

- S.exual abuse and exploitation; and

- S.exual abuse and misconduct."


http://allafrica.com/stories/201306130303.html


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I don't know how is this going to help you because all soldiers misbehave in deployments including those that you trust a lot "Indians". Having been there myself I know that prostitution is the order of the day and just how those little girls willingly sell their bodies to UN soldiers. In the DRC it is even known among security police that everyday afternoon till midnight those girls flock around UN bases to sell their bodies and what saddens the most is that they have nothing to do because those girls are even their source of income through bribery.