₦airaland Forum

iblawi:
A country waiting for Africa development bank to build road and Chinese to maintain them.

Oga, you're very illiterate in matters concerning infrastructure. AFDB exists for the prime purpose of lending for these kind of projects. The Chinese contractors you see in many developing countries are there to build the said infrastructure. They are contractors. Everyone knows how hard it is to compete with them owing to their rock bottom rates and cheap materials an labour they have. The only maintenance done by a contractor contracted to build anything is covered in a short period post completion called the defect liability period, often not more than 18 months. After the elapse of this period, maintenance is carried out by the owner of the infrastructure, often government, either in house or via maintenance contractors.

Understand that, and quit yapping.

highheybee:
The fact is Nigeria is to big a nation that it can't please us all....do you know despite China topping the table of best universities in Asia ,it's still the country with the highest number of students doing postgraduates in the UK and USA..... that shows what bigger population results into....and meanwhile Nigeria is the 3rd and India second in postgraduates studies in uk and USA....
Nigerians might be fleeing nigeria....if you observe Nigeria through population density you will understand it's very small when Kenya a country with 2/3 of our area buh 1/5 of our population will result in Kenya having a higher population per square metre compared to us and with even south Africa have like 4/3 our landmass...what do you really expect...Nigeria is so populous but in a confined area which is not even up to that of SA.....compare America landmass size with China landmass size and population respectively,it shows China is constricted while USA is like dilated and that's whyany people flee China for America and same reason why Nigerians maybe not only in Kenya and SA buh also in Benin,abidjan and the rest...

Kenya has 2/3 the land mass and 1/5 the population means the density is LESS. ah ah mathematics is important in life.
Ps: India, China and even USA have leveraged their humongous populations for development,progress and influence . As for Nigerians, they're too happy to send their excess population spilling across its borders and beyond , they seem clueless about what to do with 175 million people. Life there seems to be short, nasty and brutish.

LightYagami:
What do you mean by real Kenyans??
The Indians are rich and as far as I know they are real Kenyans, been here for generations. The Kikuyus have a lot of wealth, many businesses are controlled by the Kikuyu actually. There are Arabs at the coast and they have been here for more than a thousand years, they are not less real Kenyans, they are not wealthy as the asians are tho. Then there are Anglos, they are few but they have been here for generation, they are mostly farmers. They are Kenyans too.
Somalis are real Kenyans. They are native to nothern and eastern kenya

bro, you better understand something about these brothers from the land where the Niger river empties into the sea.
They generally speaking have a condescending view of other africans, for what i don't even know.
They are given to displays of braggadocio, and equate ostentation with wealth.
They also are blindingly ignorant of other African countries, which explains the asinine comments from a great number of them.
When they see progress in other African countries, they go crying "oyibo oyibo has done it".

Brace yourself for more BS.

ChimaAdeoye:
[size=13pt]This is an amazing thread. Kenya is challenging Nigeria?

Mind you Kenya's annual budget is slightly bigger than the size of Lagos or Akwa Ibom state budget. Yet, they can put out challenge to Nigeria with what they achieved with it! We have 36 states and a Federal capital territory in Abuja. Yet, we struggle with Kenya's challenge! Imagine if this were Egypt or Algeria?

It goes to tell Nigerians we are perhaps the least achieving country in the world of our size and resources.


Imagine what Nigeria could be if we performed at our level?[/size]

At 23 billion $ ,Kenya's last budget is in fact LARGER than that of the "giant of africa" (18 billion $).
Brazen liar. But then again we are dealing with naijas, aren't we?

MPSA:
Sorry Brother, You must visit my country next time ,nothing will happen to you, I used to attend rugby matches at Loftus (Pretoria) and here in Johannesburg (Ellis Park Stadium), I attend the games of this two teams Blue Bulls and The Lions, when they play at Ellis Park and loftus stadium, but I am not a big supporter of this game, my Girl always want to attend the matches just for fun, It was just 12 years after apartheid, our people were not used to foreigners at that time. Sorry once again for that. We are still learning about the continent and the rest of the world. We were living our own life for many many years, we were separated from the continent and the rest of the world since from the beginning of SA till 1994. I don't blame my people for that, it was part of the law 12 years before you arrived in SA. That was a struggle of my people(Black,White,Indians, and others). We did so many things together(Good,Bad and Ugly) as South Africans, But at the end of the day, we are still standing as people , What I can say is, we were still healing ourselves Brother, I LOVE MY PEOPLE( ALL RACES), AND I LOVE MY COUNTRY , I don't want to blame my people, because I know our struggle.

Okay okay, but just remember there are only 2 countries in Africa with the word "Africa " in them. Y'all better stare at that demonym for a long time before venturing out. But i love you guys and your love of pap and morogo with meat. Quintessential African meal

naijalander:
I admit Nigeria doesn't not do well with infrastructure due to our maintenance culture. But things are actually changing. Also despite the limits we have still managed to do some amazing stuff, like Innosson Motors.

Hopefully, it's all within 9ja "1000 years millennium development plan". Get acquainted with your own governments plans kijana, then come to the table and contribute something meaningful.

MPSA:
South Africa is contributing a lot in africa, according to me ,Africa is changing because of the contribution of South Africa, after 1994 most SAcns were living under a bad situations, South Africa was trying to fix its problems first by building roads, houses for the poor, electricity and many more, I can't disagree, because I don't have any information about what you are talking about, I like when you call me ''wena'' , more Santon pictures

I have been to Sandton before, in 2006. Looks like its really grown and changed alot. The white folks there gave us those looks as well, esp after discovering we were non local blacks, the service even changed considerably. Eish, the trouble of living in SA whether as a visitor is having to deal with history every 3 mins of ones existence.
In fact, it was so bad for my cousin who happened to be visiting SA some time ago. There happened to be a test match between Springboks and Wallabies when he was attending a work shop in SA. Being a rugby head like myself, and being a Saturday, he was naturally inclined to attend. But alas, he and his equally Rugby mad colleague were manhandled and insulted racially by ordinary white fans and asked to leave the place in no uncertain terms, ticket or none . He only discovered much later that Rugby venues and matches are a bastion and stronghold of white supremacists and its unspoken amongst black folk in your country not to attend such places except as the help. Please SAns its impossible for black outsiders to enjoy your country when made to feel unwelcome. Work on this please, most Africans resident in your land consistently point to these things as a hindrance to the enjoyment of life.

MPSA:
No one will compare Johannesburg alone, with any city in the continent , I am not talking about Pretoria, Durban, Cape Town, Bloemfontein, Port Elizabeth, and others, SA is the best country in the continent, Eish! But our economy isn't performing very well at this moment

We all love development and progress, wena. Just give it up for all the countries in Africa making huge strides. Eish!!!!
Ps. I honestly think SA has been underwhelming in its African operations and general investment presence. I have worked with many nationalities and i never shudder to give people my honest opinion on matters. To be more specific, i really thought that SA would be a catalyst for development and progress esp in scientific matters, but i have been proven wrong in this regard. I think SAns don't understand alot of dynamics ib Africa, which is quite odd.

ChimaAdeoye:
Chai,
O'l boy why posting picshures of Germany and south africa for a mere Kenyan?

Apart from Nairobi,Kisumu and Mombassa, Kenya is almost totally a safari for wild animals and Massai people.
You have enough places to show a Kenyan than steal picshures of Germany or south africa.

If nigeria were not under a silly ruler, imagine Kenya comparing with it?

Tomorrow it will be Uganda or Burundi comparing with Nigeria.

Anyhow, the nigeria itself may fall apart pretty soon. So, i better stop calling all these backward african countries names.

Blithering idiot

kikuyu1:
You misunderstand me. I noticed Naij rural scenes lacked our livestock. NOW I KNOW WHY! Tell me why your milk production is so abysmal. With your climate you could do MUCH more. Is it cultural or attitudinal? ie Maybe Naijjans see themselves beyond dairy farming? Pls tell me and help me understand your country better. TO remind you LESS THAN ONE PCT OF YOUR MILK DEMAND IS MET! My goodness!!

They mix something called peak with water, then call it milk.

iblawi:
All the writeups in your source are fake. Please look for a better 1. Agriculture doesn't contribute 90% to our GDP and we have more cows and milk than your country.

http://www.fao.org/Wairdocs/ILRI/x5443E/x5443e04.htm

Kenya is no where on this.

Seriously, you want to compare Kenya's milk production with your country's own(epileptic) production!!!
Unbelievable just hit a new low.

MPSA:
Thank you brother for your information, But the massai tribe is the most respected tribe across the continent because of their unique identity, their identity represent kenya very well outside kenya, most of the people outside kenya want to see the massai tribe, I love the massai tribe like other people across the continent/ world. You must be proud to share your country with the massai tribe. tourist want to see the massai tribe and the Great Migration, that region is very unique in the continent, I wish to visit that area. Well done the massai people, for representing kenya and the continent very well across the world .

A friend of mine, who was so close to me, i could call him my brother, used to work for the kenya tourism board. His job took him to several parts of the world to showcase Kenya's tourist attractions. He shared with me some interesting things. He told me one day he got tired of having to field all sorts of questions from (innocent ) and inquisitive foreigners when on these missions about Kenya and kenyans when he went to visit a friend's house in a social visit in Berlin. An Italian (non)gentleman went up him and started jumping up and down next to him while uttering barely audible guttural sounds as if in imitation of maasai dance. His friends beside him were all the while letting it rip with roaring laughter and were struggling for breath while a it. He could tell immediately that he'd been to Kenya before judging from his display, but he let him finish his display before he calmly informed him he wasn't a maasai, and indeed he had very many maasai friends, and even relatives. My point : many kenyans abroad suffer a broad generalizations as to their cultural background when in fact, they don't belong to one or another group they are presumed to belong to. It also doesn't escape them that the obsession with maasai people is thinly veiled condescension and patronizing at the very least.
My point: kenyans are precious and unique in all the groups they come from and belong to, they all have unique individual as well as group identities, and we celebrate everyone, the whole is greater than the one and all are just as representative. As they say, the joy of a meal is in each bite.

Kenya leads Africa's internet access and connectivity
EAST AFRICA
by Elayne Wangalwa Last Updated: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 14:01:39 GMT 4


Kenya is now a front runner in sub-Saharan Africa's internet access and connectivity. PHOTO: Getty Images

The East African country is reported to have the highest bandwidth per person in Africa, the fastest speeds and one of the lowest internet rates.
“Investment in the continent’s connectivity is creating multiple benefits that Kenya demonstrates as a clear example of a virtuous circle, where each investment accelerates the next, with an ever increasing footprint of beneficiaries,” Ben Roberts, Liquid Telecom Kenya CEO said during a presentation on a report on ‘Lifting barriers to internet development in Africa’.

(READ MORE: Kenya working to ensure a secure cyberspace)

According to the report, Kenya has outdone itself in ensuring it tackles infrastructure barriers that have hindered it from emerging as a leader in the internet market. Statistics from the Communications Authority of Kenya (CAK) released this year indicate that internet penetration in Kenya stands at 52.3 per cent, placing it in the lead board in the region.

“Kenya has achieved a confluence of infrastructure and provision that has positioned it with the highest growth in internet take-up compared to income per capita in Africa. It has effectively become an outlier in its internet take-up, and seen Nairobi join Johannesburg as one of Africa’s two regional internet hubs,” Roberts said.

Kenya is said to have more undersea cables than its peers in the region. The nation boasts of a 20-fold increase in international bandwidth in the country to 20 gigabytes per second.

“The investment in this key national and local infrastructure is absolutely key to further increasing African internet speeds and reducing the cost of internet use to all users,” Roberts said.

Meanwhile, the East African Community (EAC) is set to receive continuity of internet connectivity as a result of Liquid Telecom’s East Africa Fibre Ring which connects Kenya, Uganda, Rwanda, Tanzania and back into Kenya. This is the first fully redundant regional fibre ring, connecting EAC countries to each other and the rest of the world.
http://www.cnbcafrica.com/news/east-africa/2014/09/09/kenya-leads-internet/



Unfortunately, there are persons known and unknown, who come over to do yahoo in Kenya from one of the 3 countries mentioned. Also, there has been an upsurge in bad mouthing of Kenya from said people in direct proportion to said yahoo activities especially on this forum.

The half life of this thread is like 1000 years.. very radioactive, its gonna make alot of people sick.. pun intended.

forgiveness:
Nigeria is building 1,000 kilometers of Standard gauge from Lagos to Kano and another 1,402 kilometers Standard gauge from Lagos to Calabar.

Nigeria is building 5 seaports

Nigeria is restructuring 4 international airports.

Nigeria is building news dams

Lagos is building Mono rails

Lagos is building Eko Atlantic city on a sand filled sea. May skyscrapers are going up there.

Can you please list Kenya's infrastructures projects?

Eat your heart out:
http://www.megaprojects.co.ke

MPSA:
Sorry Brother, if I didn't mentioned your tribe, But I respect the massai tribe in Kenya, they are the symbol of kenya across the world, No bad news from Massai tribe. Culture,Confidence,Brave and Discipline is part of Massai tribe, but I will make more research about other tribes of your nation. Sorry once again Brother.

Yes, they are about 2% of the population. They are also found in roughly equal numbers in Tanzania.
Next time you bump into a kenyan, there is a 98% chance he is NOT a maasai. Many kenyans abroad suffer the misconception of being assumed to be a maasai. I should know, i have been down that road before. That being said, we are a multi cultural nation and we celebrate everyone.

NairobiWalker:
Yes...... Vienna, NY and Geneva are also surrounded by poverty and desperation. In fact any city that's surrounded by poverty and desperation gets a UN headquarter.

The post independence generation of politicians lobbied hard and got us two UN HQs. One of their major achievements, and i remember being told by my father's friends that Tom Mboya was a big part of that. They knew the power of having those HQs and Paris has been trying very hard ever since to scuttle things.
Whenever a country sends its envoy to Nairobi, he/she doubles up as ambassador to Unep/Habitat meaning they rank very high in their home country. Its nice to have very many senior Ogas from around the world stationed in Nairobi.

naijalander:
The Giant shall awake rafiki you shall eat, munch and digest your words!

Go argue with your mates, am not your mate. And respect your host, for she is like one's mother. You need her more than she needs you. Remember that.

naijalander:
lies!!!

Its closer to ⅔ right now.

Pavore9:
So this thread is still breathing!

Yes oga. Would you like to add something?

naijalander:
because my family lives in Nairobi, not that its any of your business.

Keep up with the stupid sarcasm, if you are lucky you'll hit where it hurts. dickward.

You should know better than to insult your hosts o anyone for that matter. You don't have a monopoly on that you know.

this thread should die. I wish God grants me more days so i could one day visit 9ja. I have visited 13 African nations and yet to visit 9ja. I want to give a proper judgement.
From my travels i can assure the house southern African nations like Botswana and Namibia have an enviable lifestyle worth emulating and i can see us reaching there in my lifetime

Adios

naijalander:
schools like Covenant Uni, Babcock Uni et al beat any Kenya uni hands down. Do the research.

You left all those fantastic unis to come study in Kenya. Why?

MPSA:
GO KENYA, GO, Nageria where are you! We need more beautiful pictures from nageria, The cup is going to kenya, GO MASSAI

It's always nice to be in good spirits as i suspect you are. Big up. But just a correction, not all kenyans belong to maasai group.Very rampant misconception. Thanks .

naijalander:
HAHAHA...very funny.
Yes Nigeria could still exist in 1000 years.
UK Act of Union is 309 years old this year, who says it can't make it to a thousand?

Goal 1: Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger

Target 1.A Halve, between 1990 and 2015, the proportion of people whose income is less than one dollar a day
1.1 Proportion of population below $1 (PPP) per day
1.2 Poverty gap ratio
1.3 Share of poorest quintile in national consumption

Target 1.B
Achieve full and productive employment and decent work for all, including women and young people
1.4 Growth rate of GDP per person employed
1.5 Employment-to-population ratio
1.6 Proportion of employed people living below $1 (PPP) per day
1.7 Proportion of own-account and contributing family workers in total employment

Target 1.C Halve, between 1990 and 2015, the proportion of people who suffer from hunger
1.8 Prevalence of underweight children under five years of age
1.9 Proportion of population below minimum level of dietary energy consumption



That up there my friend is millenium development goal number 1. Three targets and nine indicators.
Where does Nigeria stand with respect to this goal?

naijalander:
I think the long term plans are pivotal to unions that are non negotiable so 1000 years may not be as senseless as you think.
Just saying, 1000 year deadline to rid the country of its many ills is not such a bad idea.

Head over to another section.... i dunno maybe try business or agriculture....maybe you might mature in discussions and hopefully say something meaningful.
Ps. Nigeria may not exist in another 1000 years.
Now run along..

naijalander:
so it makes no sense for a nation to plan 1000 years in advance?

Yes, no nation does that. Either now or in the past. See how you lie..... 1000 years plan.. faaa... we aren't daft rafiki. Many things, but not daft.
Regroup

naijalander:
Believe it or not, our MDGs are set for 1000 years, the list here is the basic stuff.

I think 1000 years make sense, we know how slow progress can be. Unicef have their own and we have our own too.

You don't have to agree with any of these, to each man his own.

I will not debate you any further. You have the most scandalous comprehension skills ever. Read up on MDGs and the basics of planning, in fact don't waste your time, go to romance section or whatever takes your fancy.
Ps. I warned you to not respond if you didn't know, but you went ahead anyway. Don't blame me for any roasting you may receive. Don't enter a Lion's den if you ain't called Daniel or Danielle.

naijalander:
keep telling yourself these lies.

I'm from Nigeria's lower middle class. I can afford travel to Kenya, SA and even Dubai like most lower middle class Nigerians. I stay at Valley Arcade Lavington whenever am in Nairobi so what exactly are you on about?

The areas mentioned in Nairobi are very well affordable for the average frugal Nigerian.

Many well to do kenyans also own homes and other properties in said places and elsewhere. I have no relations or friends in Kenya who frequent nigeria to enjoy its apparently better life. isn't that strange?

naijalander:
MDG 1: Eradicate extreme poverty and hunger
MDG 2: Achieve universal primary education
MDG 3: Promote gender equality and empower women
MDG 4: Reduce child mortality
MDG 5: Improve maternal health
MDG 6: Combat HIV and AIDS, malaria and other diseases
MDG 7: Ensure environmental sustainability
MDG 8: Develop a global partnership for Development.

MDG is an ambitious program, good thing its time line is 1000 years. The main obstacle to MDG is actually the current political structure. Nigeria is only as Federal as Federal Express. Although we implemented devolution after independence, the powers that be seem reluctant to allow all 36 states of the Fed have their own constitutions, if each state gets its own constitution, they don't have to wait on the Federal govt allocation, they can invest, mine their resources and make the country even bigger. Nigeria is a lot more complex than you think.

Also, Nigerians pay rent yearly because we practise frugal economics, nobody likes it when a landlord or caretaker starts banging on your door every 4 weeks, only makes sense to pay rent annually, I believe advanced countries also practice this.

And the Nigerians who visit Kenya and come back to start saying Kenya is better are what you would call suffer head in Nigeria. If I was born and raised somewhere in Ikoyi's upper class areas and I went to stay in Kenya for a month, I thik I'd find Nigeria much better. Nigeria's middle class would be considered upper class in Kenya, yes I said it again. Hate it or love it, its the just the truth.

Rafiki,
The MDGs were a pact signed in 1990 by 189.countries. They are TIME BOUND. I hope you have eaten book wella , and heard of SMART analysis. Never in the history of planning have i ever heard of development plans for basic indicators lasting 1000 years. Never. Nations set short, medium and long term plans in 5,10 or15 , and 25+ years time frames. The time frame for the MDGs was 2015.
All in all if i remember my development goals well, there were 8 goals, 21 targets and 60 indicators to be met. That, rafiki, is a loooooong list. Worthy of a robust discussion, but only between the right personnel.

And now my question : How has Nigeria performed in meeting the MDGs?
PS: Don't answer if you don't know, please.
here's all the MDGs in detail( https://www.unicef.org/statistics/index_24304.html )

Bifwoli:
Your oft repeated double standards to the rescue AGAIN.

If something works better in Kenya,South Africa or Zimbabwe the claim is always "oyinbo has done it" .If its in Nigeria's case then its simply in Nigeria and thats all that matters so you don't have a case.

Words like "small " ,"homogeneous " or something to belittle get thrown around. Watch out for those signs. Let some brave soul come up now ad try compare the currencies, i shall enjoy that.

Legend87:
I thought that after blasting the kenyans during the #KenyavsNigeria twitter war, she won't go there again.

ok. what did she say?