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sleekman:
The man's a lunatic I agree but there would have been no invasion if there was no oil in that country. Look at Sudan/Darfur & Ivory Coast, imagine all of the genocide that has been taken place in these countries yet this same people turned a blind eye. In less than 2 weeks they attack Libya. What did they expect? Did they think that they will start their propaganda wars and the man will just sit tight and watch? Y are they not doing the same thing in Saudi Arabia & Yemen? They are all raving lunatics, just that they found equal measure in Gaddafi

I subscribe to this thought.

Salam,

I was just surfing my system when I found this piece. I had started composing it to post it here before things "deteriorates" further. Although not fully organized, or even finished, I will post it. Maybe some of you might find some of its content useful and worth reading. Here it is:


Assalamu alaikum,

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

I believe I don’t have to repeat myself since I have already mentioned my intent on another thread that I want you and me to peacefully resolve one issue concerning Shiite doctrine, which, quite unfortunately you seem to have started snipping at. Forgive the language if it sounds rude; I can’t do less as I am at times temperamental. But that, be rest assured, isn’t going to affect the free flow of our discussion here, inshaAllah.

Well, engaging one in such a discussion isn’t a tea party as one might think especially to a student like me—still under his teachers’ instructions. I’ve been wondering where to start. They say: to begin is to start from the beginning, thus I’ll start from there here too.

Sister Uplawal, could you please, briefly, tell me what you know about Ahl-Sunnah wal Jama’ah? Secondly, what do you know about the Shiite sect? Where do you think the former is wrong, and the latter right and why/how?

Thanks very much. May Allah, the All Knower, guide us to the right path, amin.

• Shiites concept of dissimulation wreaks on simple-minded Muslims.
• Prophet’s Companions are far from deserving curse.
• Ahlus Sunnah and Shiites: which one is on the correct path?
How can there be any compromise or link between the Ahl-us-Sunnah and the Shi’it? The Ahlus- Sunnah are those who uphold the Qur'aan and the Hadeeth (Sunnah). It is through them that Allah, the Exalted, has protected the deen. They are those who engaged in Jihaad for the glory and dignity of Islam and established the glorious history of Islam.

On the other hand the state of the Shiites is that they are those who curse and insult the Sahabah ((RAma). They are those who are denigrating and demolishing Islam. For, indeed, it is the Sahaabah (RAma) who are the ones through whom the Deen has been passed down to us. So those people, who curse and insult them, in reality, are destroying Islam.

Therefore, how can there be any association or compromise between the Ahl-us-Sunnah and the Shiites whilst they Shiites curse and denigrate the three Khulafaa: Abu Bakr Siddeeq, Umar Faarooq and Uthman, (RAma) ?

If they had any sense, they would know and appreciate that they are in reality cursing the Holy Prophet (S.A.W) himself. Abu Bakr and Umar (RAma) were both fathers-in-law of the Prophet (S.A.W). Also, during the lifetime of the Prophet (S.A.W) both were his right hand men; and after his demise, it is they who had great worry feeling for the welfare of the Deen. Who else has ever been honoured with such a position and honour as was granted to these two? Again, it is these two who had always participated and had been with the Prophet (S.A.W) during all the Ghazaawaat (battles). These facts are enough to refute the Shiite beliefs.

As for Uthmaan (RA), he was the husband to two daughters of the Prophet (S.A.W). It is clear that Allah, the Exalted, does not choose for His Rasool (S.A.W) a son-in-law and companions except those who are the best.

If the Shiites are true to their claims, then could they explain why Rasoolullaah (S.A.W) did not forewarn the Ummah and clarify the alleged enmity of the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha (ie Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthmaan (RAm) towards Islam?

Their insults and curses are not limited just to the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha but are also directed towards Ali (RA). Because Ali (RA) himself, in Masjid Rabia, gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Abu Bakr (RA) and also gave his daughter, Umm Kulthum, (RA), in marriage to Umar (RA). He also willingly gave the oath of allegiance (bai'ah) to Uthmaan (RA). Not only this, but he was actually the right hand man and a well-wisher of the Khulafaa ath-Thalaatha. So could Ali (RA) have chosen a kaafir as a son-in-law for himself? And could Ali (RA) have given the oath of allegiance (bai'ah), as he did, to a kaafir? Subhaan Allaah! This indeed is a great accusation!

Furthermore, how do these Shiites curse and insult Umm ul Mu'mineen (mother of the Believers) A'isha (RAha) when Allah, the Exalted, Himself has mentioned her in the Qur'aan as the mother of the believers?

Allaah tabaarak wa ta'aalaa says:

"The Prophet (sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their (believers) mothers (as regards respect and marriage)." (al-Ahzaab, verse 6)

There is no doubt whatsoever that only that person will curse and insult Umm al-Mu'mineen who does not consider her to be a mother. Because for one who does have a mother, does not curse and insult her, but loves her.

Hadith:

Abu Sa‘eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: "The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w) said: ‘Do not slander my Companions, for if one of you were to spend an amount of gold equivalent to the size of Mount Uhud, you would not even come halfway up to their level." (Reported by al-Bukhaari, al-Fath, no. 3379). So by slandering the Companions (Sahabah) you would be committing Kufr!

The Prophet said: "The best of my nation is my genaration, then those who follow them, and then those who follow them." Sahih Bukhari

So how can we insult someone who were more pious and who loved the Prophet (S.A.W) more than any other generation. All I say to the Shiites is fear Allah and stop these insulting lies about the wives of the Prophet (S.A.W) May Allah Guide the Shiites to the True Islam, and May Allah show us what the Shiites really are, Ameen.

Wonderful! May Allah be with you BB.

^^^ Don't we have Mod here? Those pictures should be removed ASAP.

BB will make it to Aso Rock this year, inshaAllah.

Congrats

Hey, I like this thread.

illusion2:
Just like its futile to read the Koran out of context,you can't appreciate my question outside the entire post.

Read everything again and let me have your opinion.

It's becoming too amazing especially when I remember that it's the same illusion2 (although I fear or maybe someone used his username then) who clearly shows that he understands Islam's stand on killing of innocent souls.

Read this, please: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-359506.768.html

Thanks to you all.

Welcome back, LagosShia

We'll meet soon, inshaAllah.

Assalamu alaikum to you all especially brother azharuddin for continuing with posting on this thread in my absence. May Allah, the Exalted, reward you all for it. I (or rather we) remain grateful.

illusion2:
Is killing of muslims by muslims ok??

What do you think?

BTW, this coming from you remains something of sheer surprise at least to me. It sounds so immaturely thought out question.

Salam,

I like this thread; and I hundred percent believe with the choice of those members. They even did more than what's stated there. Only Allah's reward can (and over, as He's capable of doing more than just that) satiate them for what they did and still are doing. May Allah, the Exalted, reward us all, amin.

I laugh at that political drama that happens in Nigeria, and of course in Kano--my home town.

Lets see who is that stupid to believe them.

ifyalways:
Thank you.
@Mushin Muhsin . . . still waiting for your inputs.

Muhsin dey busy undertaking training for INEC Voter Register. Beside, I, sincerely and actually speaking, know little about that issue. I had a well written book concerning it and have read it sometimes ago, but it must have been either lost or misplaced. Can't locate it for now.

uplawal:
@Keep deleting post you guys,why dnt you leave the posts as it were,and why did you leave some and deleted some,very biased set of people

Wouldn't you sheath the sword and let the bygones be bygones. I, for once, read all the deleted and the present replies yesterday night. There is nothing that worrying if yours--meaning replies, are left or deleted as it doesn't make much difference. Wouldn't we behave like the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, and his Companions? What is the meaning of reading about them; it's of course primarily to learn from them, emulate them and do as such.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right path, amin.

BTW, Haven't you seen this: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-580613.0.html I assume you must have; why then you are yet to indulge me, Sister? Why and why? Please I beseech you to come up there. I got only some few days to leave this board for the INEC exercise, which is gonna last for at least two weeks. Hence it's either now or probably never. Understand? Thank you very much.

Ciao!

[quote author=isale_gan2 link=topic=580613.msg7501764#msg7501764 date=1294671374]Brother,

Please don't be distracted from your exams/studies o. The thread and all the posts will still be there for you to respond to when you're less busy!

Salaam.[/quote]Thanks, Sister.

But this is an act of Ibadah; I ought to do it, though not that incisively for now. May Allah, the Exalted, guide us, amin.

Salam,

I had even forgotten to say my say about the OP's subject.

I wonder why even the doubt between who to choose: the mother of course. I see, though, that everything thats need to be said has been aptly said by brothers and sisters in the house. I would like to refer you (and us, too) to the story told by one of Ashaabul Kahfi. He denied his wife and children food for his parents. He always make sure his parents are satiated before his family and self. He had to spent a night sleeplessly when one day he came back home late; they have already gone to bed. He waited beside the bed, not wanting to wake them up, nor leave the place as they can any time wake up; his children weeping, begging him to give them some, till morning. Allah, the Exalted, moved away the stone that blocked their way after invoking Allah's help because of that good doing.

Looking at that (plus many other hadiths), we can conclusively say mother is very far higher in rank.

^^^

Simply put, there will never be that unity among Muslim Ummah. And you--Shiites, are the cause of that! Please say no more, pal.

ifyalways:
Alaikum Salam.
I am ard and doing good.what abt u?

Good. Glad to 'hear' that.

Can we please discuss "contraceptives and family planning" ,what shld a muslim do or not do,abortion;is it ever permitted etc

I see Lagosboy has attended to that. I may say more later, inshaAllah.

mukina2:
why should he be ignored?

there is nothing malicious in his post.
why do you people like starting issues?

zayhal:
Mukina,

It's you that is sounding malicious now. No one said Toba sounded malicious. But we all know his kind of person, generally. Or do you want to feign ignorance at his kind of person and his hatred for Islam? Besides, I doubt if my reply to Toba means anything to him. He's used to my ways and I'm used to his.
I'm surprised you're saying 'you people'. Which people? who are the 'you people'?

mukina2:
where in his post on this thread did he say anything about hatred for Islam?
i didnt see it maybe you could point it out for me?

This is what I hate most with this board these days. Please, we should behave ourselves. May be you don't know: I perfectly well know many of you people here are older than me, but (at a risk of sounding pompous) I have never fought anybody here. All I know I once had a mild disagreement and brief encounter with Abozula and that is since settled. Please and please. . . Thanks for your understanding. Matter buried and forgotten.

chakula:
Imagine! to my conclusion this thread was created for a purpose why lagosshia is trying to corrupt it, we knew and, have a threads that all this kinda of discussions take place there which you initiated with your hand and,some created in respect of you and co. but yet you have to stumble here and continue doing the same thing.Please let this thread achieve the purpose been created for.

That's why I think I'll not respond to any of his (LagosShia) blabbing further. And, wallahi, if not because I am busy doing exam and other things I would have created anew thread to fully disprove his misguidance for all to see. For instance, in even the few posts I made there, he couldn't refute anything convincingly and logically. Likewise Abuzola's and other brothers' response to him. What he simply does, if you keenly read between the lines of his tantrum infested posts, is just spamming, bringing voluminous historically doctored happenings, which cannot be found in any authentic Islamic history book.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right path, amin.

LagosShia:
YOU ARE A DRAMA QUEEN.

you just throw word you cant prove.you run away just like Umar did 

no one is asking you to renounce your aqeedah.i am only asking you to complete your iman.the declaration by the Prophet Muhammad of the wilayah of Imam Ali was the point during which the verse of completion of religion was revealed.without belief in the wilayah of Imam Ali,your iman and aqeedah are deficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hadith_of_the_pond_of_Khumm

This thread isn't meant for you as its title foretells, yet you are trying to hijack it and even drag me into engaging you. Please stop it! Let the sister come. . . And as mentioned by a brother, AbuHanifa, above, your turn will come soon. I am now too busy to indulge you in what might end in futile, for I fear you aren't here to accept any truth, rather you are here to make trouble and dispute everything that isn't in line with your view.

Nonetheless, I will say some few words regarding your reply above. You very much had (and still has) me smiling and wondering. Why bring Wikipedia into this?! This is very naive and ignorant of you--a stalwart Shiites who by hook or crook looks after to preach yet resolve to citing a non-Muslim site to establish his claim. Re-check that, bud.

And, for your info and other readers, the verse: (الْيَوْمَ أَكْمَلْتُ لَكُمْ دِينَكُمْ وَأَتْمَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ نِعْمَتِى وَرَضِيتُ لَكُمُ الأِسْلاَمَ دِيناً) meaning: This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favor upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. (Q5:3) It's not revealed for that reason as innumerable Muslim scholars incontestably report. This is an indisputable truth believed by virtually all.

The verse was revealed during the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, farewell pilgrimage on Arafat day. In the narration collected by Al-Bukhari in the book of Tafsir, through Tariq, he said, "The Jews said to `Umar, `By Allah! There is a verse that is read by all of you (Muslims), and had it been revealed to us, we would have taken that day (on which it was revealed) as a day of celebration.' `Umar said, `By Allah! I know when and where this verse was revealed and where the Messenger of Allah was at that time. It was the day of `Arafah, and I was at `Arafah, by Allah.''

There are numerous Hadiths that support this fact that are definitely authentic and of the Mutawatir type. This Hadith was also reported from `Umar through various chains of narration.

I am afraid I have to stop from here; my time as always is finishing. May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right path.

Asslamu alaikum,

[center]Jabir reported: I heard Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) as saying:

Verily, the Satan has lost all hopes that the worshippers would ever worship (him) in the peninsula of Arabia, but he (is hopeful) that he would sow the seed of dissension (disagreement,MISUNDERSTANDING, chaos,war) amongst them.

Sahih Muslim Book 39, Number 6752:[/center]

LagosShia:
why do you at all cost want to engage the sister,when as you well know she is just being exposed to the Shia side of the story of Islam?why not engage a full-blown shia,a shia to the core and one like myself who will never become a sunni.and if you disprove that shia islam is wrong i would rather leave islam totally and be without a religion.and if islam is not my religion then i would rather stay with no religion and call myself an "agnostic".


the offer has being forwarded to you in 2 others threads.come let us discuss.i am not trying to hijack your thread nor am i dissuading the sister.i am only putting forth a suggestion.you more or less see the sister as susceptible to shia islam and she is open-minded.so lest she becomes a shia,you are trying to concentrate on her to "win" her back.and you believe yourself so much and have the confidence to think you can control her?i dont think you can brainwash her.she is an intelligent woman and like us all Allah has blessed her with the power of intellect.

How predictable! If I were you I wouldn’t have said a word here, especially since the poster (that’s me) even predicted that. More-over, I know many will be displeased at me replying you; no! I am only replying not you directly (or even indirectly, for I know nothing good will come out of it) but the sister through you, for she’s as well, inshaAllah, going to read both what you say and what I will say in the following lines.

Before then, I will make something clear, and that is there is nothing in this world, inshaAllah, that lead me to renounce my Aqeedah, not to mention the Deen (faith) all-in-all. Wallahi I would rather be killed than to do that. But very foolhardy of you, you are announcing leaving your Deen if proved wrong of your sect. Allah forbid! And, am not engaging you not because you are that mighty! You are very much “defeatable”, for what you hold is nothing like truth.

Unlike how you perceived, it’s at only one and single cost: her willingness and interest. If she say she isn’t willing or interested in indulging me in anything like that I certainly will leave alone for the sake of Allah and for good. Allah, the Exalted, has seen my intention, and I know, inshaAllah, I’ll be rewarded for that.

It’s me who would tell you that Sister Uplawal is an intelligent woman. I know her (though just here) before she accepted Islam; I think there is no more intelligence above that. And, to prove that she’s even more intelligent that you, you very foolishly said above that you will renounce Islam… (Sic).

I shall say more when I get back, inshaAllah; but not you! To the response I am expecting having soon from the sister.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right and straight-forward path, amin.

Assalamu alaikum,

May Allah, the Exalted, cure him, amin. InshaAllah this is an expiation of his sins. And, tell him to take courage; even the Prophets suffered some sort of illness in their lives; and more people are suffering from the worst.

^^^ You are welcome.

So it's said in your religion; but do you believe? Yes or no? Food for thought about the authenticity or otherwise of this belief. LOL!

Rubbish. Lets have an authentic source if you want us to believe.

Assalamu alaikum,

In the name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful

I believe I don’t have to repeat myself since I have already mentioned my intent on another thread that I want you and me to peacefully resolve some issues concerning Shiite doctrine, which, quite unfortunately you seem to have started "snipping" at. Forgive the language if it sounds rude; I can’t do less as I am at times temperamental. But that, be rest assured, isn’t going to affect the free flow of our discussion, inshaAllah.

Well, engaging one in such a discussion isn’t a tea party as one might think especially to a student like me—still under his teachers’ instructions. I’ve been wondering where to start. They say: to begin is to start from the beginning, thus I’ll start from there here too.

Sister Uplawal, could you please, briefly, tell me what you know about Ahl-Sunnah wal Jama’ah? Secondly, what do you know about the Shiite sect? Where do you think the former is wrong, and the latter right and why/how?

Thanks very much. May Allah, the All Knower, guide us to the right path, amin.

^^^

I never insult anyone, especially a sister. I just want her to objectively read what I have to write and ignore what LagosShia will definitely be saying to deviate her (as well as other readers') attention. And beside, I'm thinking of opening a fresh thread for that. How do you see?

BTW, where are you Sis? I'm signing out for now. I'll inshaAllah be back later.

Cya!