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GEJ is the stupidest president Nigeria ever had.

YES!

More words to follow.

illusion2:
Ore mi atata,ojo t'o ba bere si ni ma lo 'emi' abi 'awa' fun ara e, Yaba left l'oda ni yen o   .(My dearest friend ,the day you begin to use 'we' or 'us' for yourself. . . na psychiatric ward be dat o !)

Isn't it interesting ,how we begin to look at etymolgy,sentence construction,context and predicates for some suras and yet we take some just as they are for e.g when the Qu'ran talks about not eating pork,has anyone cared to investigate why ? Probably it isn't really forbidden when we take the pronouncement in context  

Or covering your hair,hands,feet or women shaving pubic hair (one of my main concerns with Islam   ).

So let's always take everythiing in context or leave as is . . . . .  

Although I'm stiffly afraid you may mis-comprehend what I got to say regarding this, I'll say it.

You sound like an unrepentant atheist there. Islam, like any other "religions", heavily gets a lot to do with dogmatism. I'm not saying, in any way, there's no wisdom in any set down dos and donts in Islam (or generally religions), but if thats what you adherently want to see, understand and believe then better renounce your faith. And there's absolutely none you'll ever embrace in.

And regarding taking things in context is what many non-Muslims (and very sadly and unfortunately even some Muslims) do to justify killing in the Qur'an or other snooty actions. More-over, some Muslims too do so to back up their pedestrian understanding of the Bible. I know. So, unless and until we distant ourselves to doing so we'd better forget understanding one another.

Lastly, got an example to set: is there a wisdom in carrying an ordinary wooden/metal cross and say it's there to protect its holder? What's protective in it?

illusion2:
Very simple. . . Allah was refering to the GodHead - The Father ,The Son and The Holy Spirit.

3-in-1, One Immutable ,Immortal ,OmniPotent & OmniPresent God.

You cannot fathom him like 2+1 =3. But Trinity it is.

Allah, the Exalted, wasn't referring to anything like this. What can you say about other numerous verses that say direct opposite of you false thinking? Let's presume your "explanation" of the verse(s) is correct, how did you arrive to that?

Our God, Allah, the Exalted, is 1-in-1; He's nothing like 3-in-1, 1-in-3 or whatsoever. Allah is One with no partners to Him. He is One in His Self, Attributes, and Actions.

Suratul Ikhlas (C. 112) has said it all:

In the name Of Allah, The most Gracious, The Most Merciful.

Say, Allah is One,
Allah The Everlasting, The Eternal,
He has not given birth and was not born,
And no one is comparable to Him.

illusion2:
The more I read the Qu'ran,the more the Bible is confirmed. I am beginning to believe the Holy Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) had a sound knowledge of the Bible,but as we all agree he was both a spiritual and a political leader.

Hmm. You do not believe in anything (positive) about the noble Prophet, Muhammad (SAW). If did you wouldn't have been a Christian. So address him the way you actually wanted to; don't do anything to "please" us. That's unlike we Muslim who believe in everything positive with Jesus (PBUH) and his mother; and the revelation sent to him by his Creator, Sender and whom he worshiped.

The political side . . . . (I'll reserve comment for now).

Thats the most interesting one I want to read coming from you. Waiting. . .

illusion2:
Dear Bro Muhsin (not Mushin  ),

You are correct. Lol!

There are 2 possible explanations of the suras above - one of which is my theory on the Trinity. The other is Olabowale's theory. . . so . . .you believe what you want. I hope you catch my drift 

I would like you to shed more light on that theory--yours; I know of Olabowale's not because it's the one want but its the one I believe in and its the one I know is right as many facts show.

I wish you all the best.

Lagosboy:
@illusion

You must have the muslims explantion before like bro Muhsin highlighted but let me quickly explain it again.

The Quran wasnot revealed in english but arabic and no christian arab would ever ever use this arguement of 'we' to justify trinity. This is because yoruba is similar to arabic in some terms and etymology. When a king in yourba wants to adrees himself he says "awa npa yin lase" "We are commanding you" The 'WE" doesnt indicate there are two kings but a language of nobility and status. I n arabic Allah sometimes uses "Ana" (I) for himself ans sometimes uses "Nahnu" WE for himself signifying his status. In english it is called the Royal WE and was previously used by the royals centuries ago.

Exactly! So it is in Hausa; not even an emir addresses himself using "WE", an ordinary-royal-family wannabe uses "WE" referring to himself. We can understand something (here) as: if a created soul, feeling "proud and pride" of himself uses the plurality of "WE", what of his/her Creator? We can say (because so it is) that He has every right to do so.

More-over, Qur'an is never and can never be 100% correctly translated using any language. Remember it's a book which Allah specially revealed to show his Power, Wisdom and everything--to the extent which it makes it inimitable. Qur'an challenges all (then and even now) to produce any book like it, but none is yet produced; not can be. Thats why. Hence translation can only and only serve some purposes.

Regarding above, lest you don't know, illusion2: some translations are in today's Muslim world discredited. For example, Yusuf Ali's among others.

The same David of yesterday.

illusion2:
Dear brother ,I sense sincerity in your heart and it is plausible that if Usman Dan Fodio had gotten to my great grandfather's village earlier I could have been where you are at the moment with a name like Ismaila,Hakeem,Isiaka or something similar .

However God in His infinite mercy did not make it this way.

I have said the shadadah many times with my childhood friends when we used to play football on the streets of surulere many years ago,after they come back from 'ile-kewu' we would recite lai la illalau. . . alif,ba, ta, tha etc. However that doesn't make me a muslim,neither is it possible to become one.

I have read the Quran twice and the Bible many times more and although the core fundamentals are similar,I do not agree with many aspects of Islam.

I love muslims however & Insha Allah - Muki will become my wife in due course . I will christen her Mary. Alhamdulilah ! 

On the issue of Trinity,Allah clearly made you aware of this,but you probably have not come across these verses in the Qu'ran :

Sura 6 vs.94
"And behold! ye come to Us bare and alone as We created you for the first time. . ."

Sura 7 vs.11
"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; . . ."

Q.23 vs.12
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth. . ."

Q.21 vs.73
"And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve"  (trans. by Pickthal: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone).".

I'm most surprised at you bringing that deeply discussed issue here and at this very moment to defend your many times debunked doctrine of Trinity, illusion2. You are not a newbie here. Not at all. That vividly reminds me of our former "friends" (who mostly have gone to oblivion) such as Neotic, Osisi, Davidylan among others who so often talked about that. Sir Olabowale, remarkably, in consort with a few of us tirelessly all the time explained that, citing as many convincing references as possible from both other Qur'anic verses and Yoruba (and/or Hausa) language. But they never believe. Pity.

Well, the question isn't directed to me--as the whole thread is not 'mine' but Sheikh Lagosboy's. But I wish illusion2 cares to google the question and see how many sites he'll be given, why because its an age old held "loose" of Islam by fellow but eager Christians all over the world. Care to do that?

BTW, forgive me if my words sound bad. I just feel I should pronounce them because of their relevance--although they don't answer the questions you posed. Thanks for your understanding. I wish you all the best.

@Poster,

Lets have the news link, else it's a complete lie.

Hey,

Although I haven't yet played the video after numerous trials, I know of the man's speech. He's said to have a "golden voice".

Beside, there are still more like him; the likes of Dan-Masanin Kano. He, too, is very articulate and speaks very impeccable, interesting and sometimes even rhyming English.

May his (Balewa's) soul rest in peace, amin.

ifyalways:
Thanks.Muhsin and what?  
Yep,They are mine.

You are welcome, Mother of Twines.

Salam, Sister IFY and all,

I never thought you would object to Lagosboy's syaing:

Lagosboy:
Mukina2 or Jarus could you post this thread on th main page , if Ify doesnt have any objections. Perhaps Allah might guide others to islam from her story.

"Nairaland Curiosity that leads to conversion to Islam - Story of Ifyalways" This might be a good topic. others what do you think.

It could be better, and may help more people to understand what Islam is. Jarus, I know, will still be around to sanitize the thread even more closely when those people come around once again. More-over, I can recall when one atheist, I think Banom, reverted to his ex-religion (Christianity), almost everyone aboard Nairaland was alerted, for the thread was sticked on the main pages for a considerable time.

You have gone far, far off-topic guys.

zayhal:
And those were just hers

I felt like that incriminates mine, which preceded hers.

Welcome to Nairaland, vaughn22.

Salam IFY and all,

Muhsin sounds good, isn't it? Wouldn't you name one with it?

BTW, may Allah bless them, amin. Are they yours?

Subscribed.

That's what I too believe. And be rest assured, all other scams orchestrated and perpetuated by America will come out in the wash soon, God's willing.

deols:
Allahu a'lam

Well thought and said. Yet every human has a feeling, thinking, view, etc towards everything. That was just mine.

I still can only laugh.

As for Islam [for example that Iranian woman] had the man been caught he would also be brought to book, and be punished for his misdeed. But as regarding the woman, no more evidence was needed, i.e. since she (as divorced, additionally) gave birth while she was unmarried. Get it?

^^^ You should compose one.

What are you referring to, any way? The mistake they make in their writing or what they are seemingly protesting about; or what? Can't get it.

azharuddin:
Exactly the words i was searching for. It doesnt matter if it is fabricated or not. Allah can do this and much much much more than this.
Also Nowadays I always feel the end is nearing, some kind of chaos is about to happen.
May Allah save us from Dajjal and the difficulties of the coming times.
Ameen.

Exactly! You get my point.

Ameen to the prayer.

The law is a law, isn't it? If you think killing whoever kills is that justifiable what of other states where who killed is not killed?

I'm, at least for now, not in any position to justify these laws to you. It'll mean derailing the thread. Come to Islam for Muslim section for this and more questions like this; inshaAllah answered they'll be.

Thanks.

@Poster,

Don't be that a cynic. Although we know anything like the so often repeated free, fair and credible election in Nigeria is a near to impossible task, we should cling to hope and expect the best from those responsible for the act.

I wish my dear country, Nigeria all the best.

MrPrsdent:
its sad but thats the law.perpetrators know wht awaits them

Compare your statement and what Islam enshrined for its law offenders who are aware of it. Does it deserve all the blames it gets whenever a culprit is (or to be) penalized over so-so misdeed?

Hence Ahmadinejad's comment stands valid and on point.

P:S

This is just to stress that point. Ain't say you do anything wrong, or you talk about Islam or Muslim. Thanks.

Hey,

Old Aloy+Emeka and his tantrum infected posts mean to dent Islam.

Keep trying and failing. U'll never succeed.

I laughed after reading this piece and shook head.

US grandmother set to be executed

Teresa Lewis, 41, set to be the first woman to be put to death in Virginia state in almost 100 years.
Last Modified: 23 Sep 2010 09:16 GMT


The US state of Virginia is set to execute by lethal injection a 41-year-old grandmother, the first woman to be put to death in Virginia in almost 100 years.

The US supreme court late on Tuesday rejected a last-minute reprieve for Teresa Lewis, who will receive a lethal injection at 0100 GMT on Friday morning.

The court said in its brief ruling that the stay of execution requested by Lewis "is denied".

Abolitionists paint Lewis as an example of why capital punishment is flawed, saying she has diminished mental faculties and was taken advantage of by smarter accomplices.

But with an IQ of about 70 or above, Lewis is considered fit for trial in the southern state of Virginia and she pleaded guilty to hiring two men in 2002 to murder her husband and stepson to pocket their $350,000 life insurance policy.

No intervention

Adding to the supreme court's decision, Bob McDonnell, the Virginia governor, has said he will not intervene to stop the execution, seeming to remove all final chances for a reprieve.

"After numerous evaluations, no medical professional has concluded that Teresa Lewis meets the medical or statutory definition of mentally retarded," he said in a statement.

He said he could find "no compelling reason to set aside the sentence that was imposed by the Circuit Court and affirmed by all reviewing courts".

Lewis met Rodney Fuller and Matthew Shallenberger in a Walmart superstore. Soon she began an affair with the 22-year-old Shallenberger and encouraged her 16-year-old daughter to get together with Fuller, who was 19.

Lewis admits she left the door of the family trailer in rural Pittsylvania County open in 2002 so the two young accomplices could enter and shoot her husband and his 25-year-old son, who was in the military.

All three pleaded guilty. The triggermen got life in prison, but Lewis, who was deemed fit to stand trial, was sentenced to death as the mastermind of the killings.

But Lewis's supporters offer a different picture of a borderline mentally disabled woman, who has struggled with a behavioral dependency disorder and was addicted to prescription drugs.

And they further question why she should be executed when the two men who actually carried out the murder were handed life without parole.

Ahmadinejad's comment

Lewis's case made global headlines on Tuesday when Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, contrasted the lack of protest over her impending execution to the "storm" surrounding a woman sentenced to be stoned in Iran.

"A woman is being executed in the United States for murder but nobody protests against it," Ahmadinejad told a group of Islamic figures in the US on Monday, according to IRNA, Iran's official news agency.

Iran has been under international pressure to spare the life of Sakineh Mohammadi Ashtiani, a 43-year-old mother who was sentenced to death by stoning for adultery in 2006.

Lewis's lawyers argue that new evidence, including her low IQ, has appeared since her trial that should prevent her execution.

The key piece of evidence they wanted considered was a letter from Shallenberger, who killed himself in jail in 2006, in which he claims full responsibility for the murder plot and suggests he pushed Lewis into it.

"From the moment I met her I knew she was someone who could be easily manipulated," he allegedly wrote. "Killing Julian and Charles Lewis was entirely my idea. I needed money, and Teresa was an easy target."

Lewis will become only the 12th woman to be executed in the US since the death penalty was reintroduced in 1976. In that time 1,215 people have been executed.

The US is among the countries that execute the most people each year, along with China, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.


http://english.aljazeera.net/video/americas/2010/09/201092383014117772.html

Assalamu alaikum,

Malam Auwal, long time no hear. Hope everything is fine. May Allah guide us to the right path, amin.

Regarding the video footage: I watched it for times more than count, thinking I would feel convinced that it was real but that I fail to do. Reasons being what I later came to know, i.e. the controversy around it. First, some people assuredly told me that they watched it more than a year ago. Second, it's said the incident happened in Nepal, while others say it occurred in Indonesia---Indonesian language is heard at the end of the clip. Third, the reasons given for the Imam's exasperation vary. Some say the fire service refused to give the Muslims blah blah blah, some say he (Imam) sought the help from the region's leader; some from the president, etc, etc, etc.

Auwal, needless to mention, I'm a Muslim. I don't think Islam, in spite of all the obvious, needs anything like that doctored 'miracle' to stand a true religion. Allah, the Exalted, in his boundless and limitless power and izza could do much more than that simply work of lifting a minaret. We know HE used the same air in annihilating Samuud and Aadawa, among other miracles that incontrovertibly and unarguably show his infinite power. That can be a handiwork of some magicians, salafis/Sufis, etc.

And Allah knows best.

Asslamu alaikum,

I'm so delighted about the development here. May Allah, the Exalted, shower His blessings on you, IFY, ur (our) teacher, Lagosboy and us.

Assalamu alaikum,

[center][b]Narrated Abu Juhaifa (may Allah be pleased with him):

The Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, made a bond of brotherhood between Salman and Abu Ad-Darda.'

Salman paid a visit to Abu Ad-Darda' and found Um Ad-Darda' [the latter's wife] dressed in shabby clothes and asked her why she was in that state. She replied, "Your brother Abu Ad-Darda' is not interested in (the luxuries of) this world."

In the meantime Abu Ad-Darda' came and prepared a meal for Salman. Salman requested Abu Ad-Darda' to eat (with him), but Abu Ad-Darda' said, "I am fasting." Salman said, "I am not going to eat unless you eat." So, Abu Ad-Darda' ate(with Salman). When it was night and (a part of the night passed), Abu Ad-Darda' got up (to offer the night prayer), but Salman told him to sleep and Abu Ad-Darda' slept. After sometime Abu Ad-Darda' again got up but Salman told him to sleep. When it was the last hours of the night, Salman told him to get up then, and both of them offered the prayer.

Salman told Abu Ad-Darda', "Your Lord has a right on you, your soul has a right on you, and your family has a right on you; so you should give the rights of all those who has a right on you." Abu Ad-Darda' came to the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, and narrated the whole story. The Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, said, "Salman has spoken the truth."

Bukhari Vol. 3 : No. 189[/b][/center]

Assalamu alaikum,

@nopuqeater,

I don't think that film is ever produced. It's just a usual internet-spread-rumors. Hence you cannot find a single website, be it Islamic, anti-Islamic, neutral, etc that reliably talk about the film.

May Allah protect His beloved Prophet, His religion and its followers all over the world, amin. May HE guide us all to the right path.

https://www.dailytrust.dailytrust.com/images/resized/images/stories/people/bello%20garba%20bello_192_240.jpg
Bello Garba Bello

Friday, 17 September 2010 05:18
Jaafar Jaafar, Kano

A new twist was added to the story of the slain assistant director of State Security Service (SSS) who was murdered in Kano alongside his wife and three children when family members said yesterday that his eldest son’s admission on Monday that he committed the murders was made under duress. Family spokesman Umar Danjani Hadejia said yesterday that a representative of the family had an audience with the suspect, Bello Garba Bello, and that they discussed his “confession” for about an hour.


According Danjani, Bello, popularly known as Baba, told the family representative that the SSS operatives forced him to confess that he killed his father, mother and three siblings. “He told a representative of the family who had an hour’s session with him that his confessions were not true, and that he admitted to the killings in order to stop the treatment meted out on him,” Danjani said.

Contrary to police claims that Baba said he committed the murders alone, Danjani said that Baba told the family’s representative yesterday that he was not part of the murder, and that the murder was committed by about seven hoodlums.

Danjani, an immediate younger brother to the slain mother of five and cousin to the late SSS officer, also said his late sister was a heavily-built woman and he could not imagine a situation whereby her lanky son could overpower her.

“She was a giant and very strong. I can’t imagine a situation whereby a person of Baba’s lanky frame could overpower her. He can’t overpower five persons in one fell swoop. We believe even animals can’t be killed in that sequence by one person,” he said.

Danjani said Baba also told the family that he was sweet-talked into admitting to the killings “because they pestered him with questions and dehumanising treatments.” According to the family, Baba had been in chains ever since his arrest and they promised to let him off the hook if he admitted to killing the family members.

The family also said immediately after the incident, they queried 11-year-old Farouk after his escape from the murder scene and he did not implicate his brother. “He told us that somebody from the fence called one Aminu, but we are dismayed to see something contrary in Farouk’s statement to the SSS,” he said.

The family also appealed to the SSS to release Farouk since they concluded that Baba committed the murder alone. “You can hold Baba since he is a suspect but you cannot hold Farouk. You should let him join his family,” Danjani said.

http://www.dailytrust.dailytrust.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2984:family-kano-murder-suspect-forced-to-confess&catid=2:lead-stories&Itemid=8