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ONYEUTALI:
The divinity of Jesus was not understood by the early Christians the way we do today. Jesus was not understood as God incarnate by the early Christians but as a predestined divine Messiah.

You are right in your claim if and only if the writer was influenced by divine inspiration which made him see beyond his contemporary understanding of the person of Jesus.

Preciousgirl:
When onlookers, millitary and passers by mocked Jesus on the cross, the gospel writer considered it blasphemy.

Why was this blasphemy?

THE THIRD HOUR!

Mark 15:25-27,29
"^[25]Now it was the third hour, and they crucified Him.
^[26]And the inscription of His accusation was written above: THE KING OF THE JEWS.
^[27]With Him they also crucified two robbers, one on His right and the other on His left.
^[29]And those who passed by blasphemed Him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who destroy the temple and build it in three days,"

My Questions:
Would it be blasphemy if it were another like Moses, Elijah or Peter on the cross?

If not, why is it blasphemy in the case of Jesus?

Thank you

ONYEUTALI:
It's a problem of translation.

Some versions used the verb "jeered" and some used "insulted".

Fact is, the original Greek texts used the verb "blasphemed". But contrary to the contemporary meaning of the verb in which it is understood uniquely as a defamation of what is divine, the Greek language applies the verb on mortal humans too.

Kobojunkie:
OP, I hope you are paying attention. According to Jesus Christ, insulting His person or God is not considered blasphemous in the New Covenant. Instead blasphemy against the a Spirit of God is against the Law and punishable by death(unforgivable, with the Spirit Himslf being the one to carry out the execution unlike the case with the Old Covenant law of blasphemy).

Dtruthspeaker:
In your thread you said Jesus is God which the maker of the statement knew. Thus, Blasphemy is Insult Directed to a Person Greater than man while for distinction purposes Insults to men are described as such.

ITbomb:
[s]So 200k for kitchen na budget.
Poverty na bastard[/s]

seanwilliam:
[s]Oboy if this kind lady carry my dick for mouth . E go lost [/s]

IgiveLadiesBj:
[s]Same thing I said in my head...

Ashawao boy [/s]

donnie:
What they actually want is to destroy the Isrealite DNA, E1B1A because that is the bloodline through which YAHAUH will bring salvation. That will be the end of salvation for mankind but YAHUAH will always preserve a remnant. Mind you, the chosen people are below the Sarah-Haran (Sahara) desert and not where you have been taught.

It is not new, it has happened before. Satan has always been about corrupting the chosen bloodline. The seed the serpent/Cain has continued to do this throughout the ages. It happened in the time of Noah. They did it again through the summerians, who were mixed with the seed of the fallen ones and they enslaved the pure humans.

And just like in the days of Noah and the people of summer, the seed of the serpent/Cain is doing it again today.

Dtruthspeaker:
I understand, you are not able to bear it.

God is The First and Most High Lawyer ...

Dtruthspeaker:
... and we Lawyers are just following Him and we Just Learnt and Understood and Presented what went into her case, her Trial, her Conviction thereof and her Sentencing.

Dtruthspeaker:
This is simply because crime must be Proven To The Reasonable Irresistible Conclusion that the Accused Commited the Offence which is not Always Possible and Easy with man, But This is Very very Easy with The Lord for He Convicts by

1) Super Camera and Microphone planted in, on and around the Accused with Unlimited Memory to Record Every Activity without missing any instant.

2) All the Thoughts of the Accused Record themselves in a Book of Records which is Always in the Possession of The Lord.

3) His Powerful Witnesses can not be Evaded nor Avoided eg the air, the earth, the sea etc

4) Satan, man's First Accuser MUST COMPULSORILY REPORT YOUR MATTER TO COURT (even though he is the agent provocateur)

5) Your Soul too Must Speak Up The Truth for in God's Court, No One can Lie, No, not even Satan the father lies!

So God can Always Convict Any Person with Incontrovertible and Uncontestable Evidence, Everytime, Anyday, Anywhere!

Dtruthspeaker:
The Question is Why?

Dtruthspeaker:
This was another thing we learnt during the lockdown, The Law is God and God is Law and The Whole world is Wrapped in Law!

And Like God or Being God, The Law, Is Good and Always Always Good.

Dtruthspeaker:
Therefore, As Already Commanded, It is the Doing of Good that is Prescribed By God, thus Lawyers are Supposed to To Do The Law and Do Only Good, For they know and can know The Mind of God.

Between I and Truespeak, we say to each other and we wish to tell other lawyers, that we work from 'Headquaters' Directly and God's Office is Not Far from Us!

So, just like His Angels, Lawyers are Close to God and it is and will be very greatly terrible and woeful when they mess up.

If there is one group of people who can not do any wrong thing, it is us, lawyers for we are the Masters or supposed to be the masters at Discerning Good and Evil, Right and Wrong!

Eviana:
Well last I knew, a "nail" is an inanimate object incapable of making any type of communicable sounds, looks or gestures.

Eviana:
I got a ban on this (my original moniker) because of a biblical stance that I took. So what it told me was to basically "shut up" and accept what was said regardless.
So clearly, I do not have "freedom of speech or religious belief"...which is something I've not experienced before.

Eviana:
As far as "spamming", I have never ever been involved in or been an acessory to any illegal activity in my years of life on planet earth....contrary to how I've been portrayed on this forum for my 4 year stay.

Eviana:
I only posted those writings for (2) reasons:
1). Data there in Nigeria is expensive and many cannot afford it, so I chose to write out what I felt was powerful info for some people here...to read while they browsed through Nairaland.
2). Many people here, including myself, are concerned about clicking on infected links...which is why I wrote down the info on some of my threads for people to go and read more.

Eviana:
I had "0" sinister intentions for posting about freedom in Christ Jesus...through my threads.

Eviana:
I am not an alarmist...but I can't control folks' opinions of me.

Eviana:
I am a person who has experienced the joys and peace of Jesus and who wants others to experience the same.

Eviana:
My apologies to the owner for using up disk space by posting too long threads.
I think I had a total of "5" threads where I quoted from a book...never was banned for that until a few weeks ago.

Eviana:
Sir, I think people get too comfortable in conflict.. chaos....division....deceit...rejoicing in torturing innocent folks...endless debates..mockery...

Eviana:
Do you get what I mean?

Eviana:
Me...well I'm gonna forever pursue peace now...

Eviana:
You take care..

Dtruthspeaker:
We knew she was guilty but we were considering why their the Judgment was very very great for we did not think that her crimes were that great to justify such Great Judgement.

But we have been studying God's Judgement and we could see the fairness in them so we knew that there were many things in there that we do not see.

So we revisited and reviewed the case and all these charges came to light when we learnt during the corona period that sin, offence and Trespass mean the same thing.

So, in the light of Offences, these charges began to drop out and we have been shouting since for we were heavy and could not speak for months.

We were only able to recently revisit it for the purpose of drawing up these charges, but her Offences were very Great indeed and we are now Settled why there Judgment was indeed very great!

Dtruthspeaker:
A Greatly Good God Who Does Not want his creations to bear burdens and Consume Punishment.

For the Acquisition of the Ability to Discern that which is Good from that which is Evil Brings Responsibility.

And Responsibility, brings liability

And liability brings Punishment!

Which is known as "Men's Rea".

Therefore, The Great God kept man away from the "Guilt of Offence" but man pushed himself into it now he is "Guilty" and must seek to remove himself from his "guilt".
Pastors who are lawyers ought to have taught these things!

truespeak:
Aah! Her Offences are too NUMEROUS to List, for When I see More, it Opens up even So Much More that I am overwhelmed!

Break-Time!!!!

Dtruthspeaker:
I have given up drawing up more Laws She Broke but it seems that her crimes alone may be up to 30.

Honestly, I knew they would be many like 20 but I did not really think that there would be more but I see now that there are still many other offences which I do not wish to process because the weights of these ones is very very heavy on my soul and I am not even able to lift myself up.

truespeak:
Same here!

MuttleyLaff:
Without reading out other charges, as these three, are strong enough to prosecute, with, Eve's only defence, being, her self admission, self-incrimination and/or self confession statement:
"The serpent tricked me and I ate some of that fruit"

Kobojunkie:
Wait a second... So you believe Jesus is the Messiah and also that Jesus is a liar?
Wow...

ThePlainTruth:
I beleive Jesus is The Messiah, I never called Jesus a lier I was only showing who the Jews are expecting as thier Messiah and that if they are correct then there may still be another Messiah coming.

Kobojunkie:
You need to understand the meaning in what you.

The Jesus Christ that you claim to believe in told you that He is the one and only Messiah..the only way to God. By believing that there is another messiah to come, you essentially declare Jesus Christ a liar.

ThePlainTruth:
Jesus did not write the the New Testament, it was written 70 years after Jesus accended to Heaven so we cannot be sure about everything that was claimed that Jesus said but I will never call Jesus a lier.

Kobojunkie:
So, you believe in a messiah called Jesus different from the one written of in the New Testament and much of known history? interesting!

So where can I go to find and read about your Jesus?
What is known of Him and where can we, in maybe Jewish history, find information about His teachings, His life, claim to fame etc.?

vybzkartel:
Mark 14:61-64
^[61]But He kept silent and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked Him, saying to Him, “Are You the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”
^[62]Jesus said, “I am. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming with the clouds of heaven.
^[63]Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “What further need do we have of witnesses?
[^64]You have heard the blasphemy! What do you think?” And they all condemned Him to be deserving of death.

Why did the High Priest consider Jesus' statement to be blasphemy?

Thank

Sanchez01:
What is wrong with these pictures?

Kobojunkie:
Nothing seems wrong with the pictures to me

Emmanuelcann:
Everything is wrong!

enilove:
Idolatry .
Leviticus 26:1 KJV
"Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image,
neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the Lord your God"

Sanchez01:
Does this apply to either or both?

tfrancis:
I feel like sharing this today as I read through John 3:18 a popular verse all of us know in the bible;

John 3:18 says, "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already"
John 3:16 says, "For God so loved the world, that he gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON,...."
While John 3:17 says "For God sent not his SON into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through HIM might be saved."

Then, who comdemned you? God did not condemn you if you already believe on HIS son. When you neglect the SON, you neglect the Gift of the father (GOD). You automatically activate the condemnation because you did not believe on HIS SON JESUS.

Now the question is, Do you believe in JESUS Christ as your Lord and Saviour?

To be FREE from satanic condemnation, all you need if JESUS.

He's not asking for your properties, money, cars, etc. All His asking you is to believe on the GIFT of GOD, JESUS CHRIST!!!! I don't think that is too much for HE that died for you on the cross of Calvary. Ooooh! I can categorically, and boldly testify to this that He loves you so much as father loves his children.

As a father, I can do anything for my children in my capacity, how much more our God in His supremacy!

It's all lies of the devil to tell you God doesn't love you... Here What John 3:16a says, "For God so love the world...", "so love" not just "love", "so love" Can you imagine that? AGAPE LOVE!

Will you not rather believe on HIM today, surrender to HIM, and be FREE from condemnation?

Wait don't go right now, just pray the prayer of surrendering your life to Jesus, if you are yet to do that, He loves you;

"Oh Lord, I heard your word that you love me and died for me on Calvary.
Please have mercy on me and forgive all my iniquities.
Wash me with your previous blood and continue to be my Lord and Savior from today.
I believe you Jesus Christ that you died for me.
I surrender my life to you from today.
Thank you Lord.
And now am saved in Jesus' name Amen"

Congratulation if you pray that prayer!

Please Get a Bible and find a bible believing church to start going!
JESUS LOVES YOU! BYE!

Kobojunkiee:
It was God Himself who condemned man, from the time of Adam, to die as a result of his sins, not Satan.

Kobojunkiee:
God warned Adam that on the day Adam ate from the Tree of Knowledge of good and evil, Adam would surely die, and it was so...

Kobojunkiee:
....Adam died that very day (a thousand years is like a day to God, I believe the story was written from God's perspective).

Kobojunkiee:
Since Adam did not eat of the Tree of Life, Adam had no afterlife/eternal life and so he perished i.e. was returned to the dust from which he was made, as God deemed it so.

Kobojunkiee:
An understanding of what the condemnation of sin refers to is necessary here. As contained in the Bible, it refers to the death instituted from the beginning by God Almighty Himself beginning with Adam, down to everyone who dies in sin. According to the judgement made by God, those who do not believe in Him, as Adam did, would die a death that resulted in their entirety(the whole man-body, mind and soul) being returned to the dust from which he was made upon death, also known as death by perishing. Those who die this death cease to exist as there is no afterlife/eternal life for such persons.

We were all once condemned to die this death. When Jesus Christ, Life Himself, showed up, He offered as a gift to those who would simply believe in Him, Eternal life, revoking the condemnation of sin that is death from their lives, so that those who believe can never again be condemned to death by perishing even if they choose not to obey Jesus Christ since Jesus Christ did not the gift of eternal life to be revoked.

That said, there is a sort of catch. Given an eternal life, one now has a new choice to make... a choice to obey, with the reward of spending that eternity in Heaven or the choice to refuse to obey Jesus Christ, to end up spending that eternity in Hell in the end.

Bodydiialect57:
Is it only homosexual that will be greeted with a big surprise on that day?

Revelation 21:8
" But the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers,
and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars (e.g. like jesusjnr2020 et al)
shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone:
which is the second death."

livingchrist:
Repent jesusjnr2020, pride goes before a fall.

Proverbs 29:1
"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy."

haddeylium:
You're missing the point!
Aaron is Moses' mouth, yet he's distinct person and Moses' words through him are not his Own. He's a spokesman to Moses .

Likewise, Jesus is the 'Word of God' or God's word.Jesus' God "Jehovah" used his Son to convey information to us, and delivers instructions to us.
So, he served as God’s Word, or Spokesman.
That's why he could say to his listener that: “What I teach is not mine, but belongs to him that sent me. If anyone desires to do His will, he will know concerning the teaching whether it is from God or I speak of my own originality.”​—Joh 7:16, 17;

jesusjnr2020:
You're the one really confused.

Jesus wasn't God's mouth. Jesus was God's Word! And God's Word proceeds from God's mouth!

Jesus didn't belong to Himself but God, so also the Word(s) of God that comes from Him. That agrees with the Truth that the Word of God and God's speech was the same.

He was an embodiment of the Words of God He spake.

So to use Aaron's instance to compare with His is very erroneous.

I can't continue with this blind argument if you're too blind to see the Truth.

God bless.