kkins25: me waiting for budaatum to give the "alternate theory"? me also waiting for MuttleyLaff to tell me this kinds of miracles have been accomplished by men.
Dtruthspeaker: True, it can be countered that way but I think the balanced Judgment here would be "Satan may be a son of God OR may just be plain wicked Satan" just like Dtruthspeaker may also be a white man.
Satan came among the sons of God, and isnt ever a son of God, just as Dtruthspeaker, came among the white men, and Dtruthspeaker isnt ever a white man, but just is plain black skinned Dtruthspeaker. Capisce? Let it happen truthfully, dont force it that Satan in Job 1:6 is a son of God
Dtruthspeaker: But after this Judgment is there any further evidence that may tilt it one way or the other?
And this is where john 14:30 tilts it, in calling Satan "prince of" just as our Lord is Also the "Prince of Peace" and the children that is son of a King are Always called "Prince"!
"For, At just the right time Christ will be revealed from heaven by the blessed and only almighty God, the King of all kings and Lord of all lords." - 1 Timothy 6:15
Smh. You have misunderstood that prince, in Ephesians 2:2, is used in reference to rulership and not monarchy
Satan is able to accomplish Job 1:7 because he rules over the flies, hence why addressed as lord of the flies. He is the ruler of the spiritual powers in space. He exercises authority over the lower heavens, and is the spirit now working or ruling in the disobedient.
Dtruthspeaker: Truthfully, i do not go beyond the Direct Explanation supplied in the Bible so I am generally ok with Mathew 12:24's Explanation of who the Beelzebub be, el-thing is.
"But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, "This man casts out demons only by Beelzebul the ruler of the demons."" - Mathew 12:24
Truthfully, you do because of Proverbs 25:2, need to go beyond the Direct Explanation supplied in the Bible to get the implied explanation. Now the word "Beelzebub," is associated with flies and the other flies because, in fact, the Jews, regard the fly, in particular, as more or less impure and demonic. This is how or the reason why Beelzebub, is called the ruler of demons (i.e. lord of the flies) Interestingly enough, the devil in German folk-lore is depicted in the shape of a fly
All rulers, necessarily are not princes. PMB is not a prince nor is he monarchy, yet he rules Naija. Satan is not and never was a son of a King narrative you are trying to force on. Give it a rest please, lmso.
Dtruthspeaker: Truly you said these things but I thought it was because you Appreciated that "Landlord meant "Lord of the Land" hence my statements thereafter.
"The earth is the LORD’s and the fullness thereof, the world and those who dwell therein, (i.e. The LORD owns the earth and all it contains, the world and all who live in it.)" - Psalm 24:1
Nah, I was focusing on the word "Lord," in regards to what it means and also that to make it clear that the word "Lord," signifies and/or indicates belonging to someone (i.e. Owner)
Dtruthspeaker: By Job 1:6 Satan is a son of God and if a son of God therefore a "prince".
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them" - Job 1:6,
The Bible has never anywhere addressed Satan as a son of God. Please even try to push it or force that narrative.
Job 1:6, is not calling Satan a son of God, the same way if I should type that: "Now there was a time when white men came on this thread, and Dtruthspeaker also came among them" it doesnt mean that Dtruthspeaker is a white man, lmso. Do you get it now, lmso.
Dtruthspeaker: He is Lord of the Heavens we do not see and Lord of the Sky and Lord of the Weather and Lord of Days and Lord of Laws and Lord of Life and Lord of Death and Lord of Hell and Lord of ALL!
MuttleyLaff: Now I dont see where you thought I typed "Lord of the Land"
What about Beelzebub? What lord of, is Beelzebub? Smh sigh.
Dtruthspeaker: Being a prince, by virtue of John 14:30, he is a prince of this world, therefore a "lord" also of this world.
Mathew 12:24 beelzebub is prince of the-evils, D'evils, Devils!
Therefore by Ephesians 6:12 , Satan/Beelzebub is the "lord of" Darkness and Wickednesses and all their powers "Of this World"
but what I typed was: "Lord, is from the same root word we get the word "Landlord" from.
I also typed that: "Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner of every other human being and in fact, the Owner of the Sabbath"
Now I dont see where you thought I typed "Lord of the Land"
He is Lord of the Heavens we do not see and Lord of the Sky and Lord of the Weather and Lord of Days and Lord of Laws and Lord of Life and Lord of Death and Lord of Hell and Lord of ALL!
What about Beelzebub? What lord of, is Beelzebub? Smh sigh.
Then you have sinned against That Specific Person including Any other Person Affected by your Offence.
I would just love doggedfighter to sincerely, truthfully and honestly answer those two easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless and straightforward questions
Dtruthspeaker: True, I put that aside knowing that everyone Knows or could easily know that The Lord Jesus is Indeed God who hath Power to Forgive Sins as the scribes Rightly Knew and disclosed.
But I also wanted to bring to the hearts of men other things they Ought to Know which is Also Connected to this Issue, so that they may act Rightly in Knowledge and Understanding.
Are you so sure about the emboldened and underlined?
Preciousgirl: Mark 2:23-24,27-28 [23]Now it happened that He went through the grainfields on the Sabbath; and as they went His disciples began to pluck the heads of grain. [24]And the Pharisees said to Him, “Look, why do they do what is not lawful on the Sabbath?” [27]And He said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [28]Therefore the Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”
What did Jesus mean by this? Thank you
MuttleyLaff: Your tone and words already conveyed it and I know you had good intentions with the ''sir'' thing but using ''sir'' just became intolerable for me
Claiming the sabbath hasnt been abolished is indefensible but when posters whose ID we wont mention try to put up a defence, what they write is so feeble and ridiculous as to deserve laughter or making fun of. Opting for the former, is why you see me downing the laughter tonic instead of outrightly make fun of post(er)
Wouldnt it be nice, if other posters are as mature and unruffled as you are. We can have a fall out, without needing to or taking it personal. Besides, thats the beauty of law of liberty, to respect your choice, as it's based on the current level of recognition and understanding
No, I dont like to play on words, my words are crystal clear but some posters, inadvertently and some other posters with hidden agendas, inaccurately paraphrase some posts of mine they cant come to terms with
Whenever I share information or when exposing truths, I like making conscious efforts in selecting right words to use in my posts so in essence, what I like doing is, to deliberately and intentionally pick certain words or phrases for maximum effect in all my communications
Maybe because my wordings, most times can be uncompromisingly forthright, that is why some think ''I like to play on words''
I clearly understand that you believe in keeping the fourth commandment but do you believe you're an Israelite too? Do you also believe in the strict enforcements in Exodus 31:14?
All the 10 commandments at some point stopped being binding but before you start crying blue murder, almost all were brought back The same 10 commandments, less one (i.e. the fourth commandment) were brought forward in the NT. Each one of the ten commandments, except for the fourth commandment were and are explicitly reintroduced or reinstituted by Jesus or the NT
28Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest 29Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. - Matthew 11:28-29
Yes, there is no specific day of rest for believers. Jesus gives us rest. Jesus Christ is now our rest. We have rest from the work of flesh. Jesus is the rest. Jesus is the true rest
MuttleyLaff: Exactly petra1, Jesus, is the Lord of the Sabbath. He, as it were, is the Owner of the sabbath. and as Owner of the sabbath, you dont hear Jesus saying: Keep the sabbath Jesus never repeats the 4th commandment, the same way He explicitly repeats and commanded each of the other 9 commandments
So, yeah, it's not just about a specific day, and it has nothing to do with the fourth commandment The law of liberty in Romans 14:5 is providing clear evidence that there is no specified day Galatians 4:9-12 (i.e. New Living Translation) on the other hand, criticises this on grounds of going back to weak and worthless principles
Lord, is from the same root word we get the word "Landlord" from.
Same way, landlord is the owner of the land or house, so is, Christ, the Owner of every other human being and in fact, the Owner of the Sabbath
doggedfighter: There's nothing like sin. That's what I meant.
1/ What to your knowledge and understanding does sin mean? 2/ Following up on your response to #1 above, what then makes you so sure that there is nothing like sin?
shadeyinka: Even in the kitchen, a Food may be prepared expensively, perfect, aromatic, delicious and appetizing: however, it it is contaminated by a drop of poison or filth (excrement), it is no longer fit for consumption but for the refuse dump.
Such is the SIN NATURE of man which makes the Food unfit for the use of the Creator!
Exactamundo, only that Martian hasn't a rubbish can, dustbin, garbage bin nor refuse bin, lmso
I'm beginning to think that church is scam, may God have mercy on me if what I'm thinking is wrong but, I just got back from a Thanksgiving Sunday, everything is so discouraging, how can they ask for money, money, money and don't give back to society.
For example if you meet them for financial assistance they will say hope on the Lord and they will pray for you, but when they need, they will collect from members, I don't understand.
When I was a teenager (though it was white garment church) you will see as they will cook for everyone and even share items, buying and selling of items, it was fun and everyone was happy, but these days Pentecostal it's all about " bring your tithe, bring your vow, bring your seed, bring your salary, bring your gold, " please I need some encouragement to continue coz it's becoming annoying, I thought giving should come from the heart, this one now is forceful giving, please house what is the way forward.
No insults, matured response please
gobuchinny: My brother, i have been in your shoes. I discovered however that when i sat down Alone with my bible and the Holy Spirit i discovered so many errors in todays "church"
Sad to say that the church as you know it was hijacked when Constantine became a Christian and set up ordinances of men. Same ordinances that the protesters took but the pentecostal have taken it to a dangerous place.
They have totally derailed from the salvation story to their own stories to fill their purses. The way is indeed narrow as Yeshua won't have said that if it were not so. So many are lost. And thw deceivers will continue to deceive and themselves being deceived.
My advise again. SIT DOWN ALONE WITH YOUR BIBLE AND INVITE THE HOLYSPIRIT AND STUDY THE NT FIRSTLY to understand d covenant as i find out a lack of understanding of the new covenant is a major issue
Btw i have not seen the inside of a "church' in 2 years but im stronger on faith now than ave ever been since 2006 i gave my life to Him
Peace
MuttleyLaff: I knew you're confused dot com. You have to be more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles, if you thought, I danced, clapped and was impressed by Martian's Hindu Lord Shiva antics
Fyi, Christianity is a Constantine/Roman state invention piggybacked off, the disdainful epithet created by the people of Antioch, a city notorious for their ability to invent nicknames and associate others with the nicknames.
MuttleyLaff: "28But don’t begin until you count the cost. For who would begin construction of a building without first calculating the cost to see if there is enough money to finish it? 29Otherwise, you might complete only the foundation before running out of money, and then everyone would laugh at you. 30They would say, ‘There’s the person who started that building and couldn’t afford to finish it!’" - Luke 14:28-30
What you dont know the value of, you'll misuse, abuse and disuse will be the last stop for such thing. Marriage, is no exception to this and so, is not really for every one. Our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Yahshua Ha Mashiah aka Jesus Christ, did not marry. Apostle Paul was not married. Jephthah's daughter did not marry (i.e. she dedicated her life to the service of God)
"10... it is better not to marry.” 11But He said to them, “Not everyone can receive this saying, but only those to whom it is given." - Matthew 19:10b-11
Yes, in Genesis 2:18, it does say that, it is not good for mankind (i.e. human beings) to be alone, but note that Adam understood the importance of marriage, aside from love, companionship and relationship, that at Genesis 3:20, he named his wife, Eve, because she would be the mother of all the living (i.e. template)
Don't contemplate marriage, if you have no understanding, that, in marriage, there's has to be three persons. Marriage, if its your portion, is just a training ground, on where to sharpen your unconditional love and relationship skills.
Bottom line is that you need to have head start, know what exactly are you expecting to get from marriage and also what you are prepared to give in the marriage.
VBCampaign, fyi, Deji Yesufu, in his write up, didn't mention the philandering of Pius Angbo that Dr Ifeyinwa Angbo referred to, in the widely circulated video of her ordeal, as the root cause of why her husband, seasoned reporter with Channels Television, Pius Angbo, pummelled and sat on her, because she tried to suggest that he stop using money on for his sexual exploits but rather divert it to their kids upbringing, well being and home family set up.
I asked myself, what husband in his right mind, would want to beat up his beautiful inside and outside, medical doctor wife, such as she is.
There is nothing mysterious about marriage. Marriage is a training ground, where you hone your connecting skills. Marriage, prepares you for the ultimate and eternal relationship. Marriage has expiration. Love outlasts and outlives marriage. In fact love is eternal, but marriage is not. Love is forever, but marriage is not. Love and relationship are forever. Three things lasts forever. They are: faith, hope, and love. All three are hinged on relationship
shadeyinka: The failure of personal choice/volition to comply with an expressed command resulted into people becoming bad products. Choosing not to act in accordance to God's wish is what turns the human being into a bad product.
Unfit products are fit only for God's refuse dump!
Exactamundo, only that Martian has just only a "kitchen heaven" and nothing whatsoever, at all, even when food goes off, end up in the dustbin or go into the trashcan, lmso
shadeyinka: Unfit products are fit only for the refuse dump!
sonmvayina: But it says man was created in the image and likeness of God, where did the bad products come from?
"26Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness, to rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, and over all the earth itself and every creature that crawls upon it. 27So God created man in His own image;in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them" - Genesis 1:26-27
I like red, as the colour, exudes an air of love, romance, boldness, courage, danger etcetera to me. We, human beings, are physical image representation of different attributes of God. God is incorporeal, but created human beings, to physically project different aspect, different visual imagery and likeness of the Godhead.
Image is instant, while likeness is continuum. The latter, is evident in Genesis 1:27, as seen above. Notice that the mention of "likeness" is left unsaid, in Genesis 1:27. Why? Its because its continuum.
The failure to comply with an expressed command resulted into bad products. Not acting in accordance to God's wish is where the bad products came from.
shadeyinka: If this above is your rebuttal, your shallowness is beyond redemption!
Martian: My shallowness? You said your God requires blood sacrifice and I asked reasonable follow up questions!!
Why does your God require bloodshed? What is shallow about that question. My replies to your bible quotes are meant to show you what your bible quotes look like to me. Don't quote nonsense and I won't reply with nonsense.
Aside the fact that the life of the flesh is in the blood, it is because of the genetic instructions written in blood
The consequence (judgment) of sin is death(by execution): sin committed in the physical must be atoned through the physical! The full blood is the required evidence that the death sentence has been passed passed!
Without the shedding of Blood, there is no remission (forgiveness) of sin! A sinner shall not go unpunished!
So why is there still hell according to you guys ?
shadeyinka: Unfit products are fit only for the refuse dump!
[img]https://s5/images/ezgif-2-bb81ab7ea10d.gif[/img] I suppose everything Martian's cooks up on his cooker and dishes out, goes to kitchen heaven and nothing whatsoever, at all, ends up in the dustbin/trash can, lmso
letu: Another fake faith, after dancing clapping and being happy for your Hindu Lord Shiva you want to turn around and flex with the Christian faith keep on changing colour like a chameleon
I knew you're confused dot com. You have to be more confused than a chameleon dropped into a bag of skittles, if you thought, I danced, clapped and was impressed by Martian's Hindu Lord Shiva antics
letu: I WILL SAY AGAIN SO MUCH FOR YOUR CHRISTIANITY.
Fyi, Christianity is a Constantine/Roman state invention piggybacked off, the disdainful epithet created by the people of Antioch, a city notorious for their ability to invent nicknames and associate others with the nicknames.
letu: You've already been exposed, keep on clapping for your Lord Shiva come to think of it are you now loosing the grip of faith that you have in Jesus that your now spicing it up with the India subcontinent Hindu Lord Shiva , keep on clapping and worshipping your Lord Shiva thinking that you're doing anything to me, so much for your faith in Christian Religion .
You've shifted from "Greek philosophy and the Roman concepts" to now "India subcontinent Hindu Lord Shiva" What is the matter with you sef gangan, hmm?
I applauded Martian for having the chutzpah to give his way of looking at and thinking of the questions, unlike someone like you, who the questions have you clammed up, lmso
Yahshua Ha Mashiah, aka Jesus Christ, is the author and perfecter of my faith, there is no chance of ice in the Lake of fire that I'll lose grip of my faith in Him nor the redemption, reconciliation and salvation works He's done
jesusjnr2020: This is the sad reality of life. Death comes to all men, so ensure that when death comes, you're ready to go.
It's sad though that she didn't live til at least 70 years.
May God grant the family the fortitude to bear the loss.
MuttleyLaff: Adam actually was meant to die. If A&E weren't meant to die, then, the TKGE will have never been placed in an unmistakable, unavoidable and central place.
Let me shock you with something unusual you won't get to readily hear from the bullpiss pulpit. Forget Methuselah and 969 years. Why he had to live that long, is a story on itself, for another day and another topic heading, just know that, ideally, man really isn't meant to live past circa 30 years old. Yahshua Ha Mashiah, aka Jesus Christ, lived 331/2 years, go figure
The thing is, it is not the the number of years we live, that matters, but it is the number of lives, we impact with the number of years we've lived, that matters.
Martian: 1) Father, Son, Holy Ghost, and two others.
2) The “Big Bang” was the point.
3) No! If we have God the father, God the son, and even God the Holy Ghost, we MUST have God the Mother and God the Daughter. So God is 5 in 1 persons. I call it the Pentahead.
4) I would tell you, but then I would have to kill you. Let sleeping dogs lie bruv.
5) N/A
6) Intersupralunar warfare in the 5th dimension created a need for refugee spacetime for the children of God the Mother.
letu: [s]Free your self from Greco Roman philosophy/ concepts.[/s]
None of the easy, peasy, lemon, squeezy, ten bitsy questions have any connect(s) with Greco Roman philosophy/concepts.
What a disappointing, disgraceful and abysmal way to dodge ten easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, point blank and straightforward questions and leaving them high and dry, unanswered. Smh sigh.
You're not communicating your answers to the questions because you don't want the illusions you're under, get exposed, get dislodged and destroyed, lmso. You know that, your sin(s) will find you out, should you dare give your answers to the questions.
Kobojunkiee: Why does it matter that He, God, did not write the text presented in the book of Genesis? What texts do you know of that were written by God Himself that we have today, to compare it with? Adam and Eve did not know themselves naked, not until after they ate from the forbidden tree, so what was so wrong about them being naked before that? And what is wrong with the unclothedness of man even now? Are nudists ignorant folks? Adam and Eve, slaves? I don't follow... they had the freedom to do just about anything they wanted except to eat from the one tree. For all we know, Adam and Eve may have lived a million years in the garden of Eden before the fall of man took place... so how do you know they were not able to carry out at least part of the mandate as given by God during their time before?
budaatum: No junkie. It is you who infers. And it does matter that He did not write it with his own hands since it is relevant to its understanding.
Something is clearly wrong if a loving Almighty God would rather keep Adam and Eve as ignorant naked slaves especiallyif that same God blessed them at creation and told them to “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth”, which I doubt they'd be able to do if they did not eat of the fruit of the tree of knowledge of good and evil to learn how it should be done.
Something, defo, is clearly wrong, the moment one starts a remark with "Something is clearly wrong if a loving Almighty God..." as if putting a loving Almighty God on trial.
Is it possible for an ignorant human being to name the genus of the animal kingdom. Is it an ignorant human being who understands that his wife is the template from whom other human beings will form from?
Their offspring were addressed as sons of God, not slaves. They were au naturel quire alright, but didnt mind that, as they very covered in the garment of righteousnes, which they realised was stripped of them, after eating the fruit off the TKGE.
He couldn't see past her being and/or going against the grain, but looks like they've now maturely resolved their differences sha
Didn't Area Fada too, initially have issue of conformity with his daughter ni? He seemed to have first forgotten that the apple never falls far from the tree, lmso. Anyway he soon factory reset himself, to accept his daughter as who she is and not judge her based on her sexuality.
jaxxy: After listening to this gal sing here I certainly believe olamides management style has serious issues and flaws.
How can a talent like this not blow under u Even. Banky w go make this gal blow in 6months, Davido in 2months. I’m Highly disappointed. If u can’t manage a person set them free or recommend them to other mangers na like subcontracts.
Which kind nonsense is this
You should listen to her "E be like say dem swear for me" album.
She's vocally, lyrically, artistically and instrumentally more skilful than Simi, Yemi Alade, Tiwa Savage and even Teni the Entertainer rolled into one.
"I Don’t Give A Bleep About You" is about him whining that she should conform, adapt, fall in line et cetera. and "Never Gon Blow" track, is she, also even mimicking him, too, lmso. Equally as good as other tracks on the "E be like say dem swear for me" album
budaatum: Are you answering my question with one of your's because you do not have an answer to mine?
For your information, I did not introduce "the Hebrew word(s) "muth" aka "mooth" mean and equally by extension the Hebrew phrase "muth, muth", so can't understand why you'd be asking me to explain them to you.
If you have a source, kindly share it here please.
I missed it. I also can not see where it says anything lthat "indicates, a beginning of dying", as you claim. Mind posting a link so I can check for it where you got that from please?
I take advantage of all available versions, meaning I dont particular have a favourite
Now talking about clearing up once and for all please, please what to your realisation, does the Hebrew word(s) "muth" aka "mooth" mean and equally by extension, what does the Hebrew phrase "muth, muth"?
DappaD: Adam was never meant to die at all if he never ate the fruit.
Adam actually was meant to die. If A&E weren't meant to die, then, the TKGE will have never been placed in an unmistakable, unavoidable and central place.
DappaD: In fact, we wouldn't even be counting the years he lived if he never disobeyed God's command. God made it clear that in the day that Adam ate the fruit, he would die.
"16And the LORD God commanded him, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden, 17but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”" - Genesis 2:16-17
From the moment we are born, our mortality (i.e. the state of being subject to death) clock, starts to tick down.
The Hebrew words, "muth, muth", used in Genesis 2:17 above, which often as equally seen above, is usually translated as "surely die" or literally, as "you will certainly die," if truth be told, in a Hebraic manner of speaking, the Hebrew words "muth, muth," correctly, indicates, a beginning of dying.
The Hebrew words, "muth, muth," in fact, not only conveys a meaning of beginning the point of death but also gives, a sense of entering into cessation of life (i.e. a sense of gradual or slow death starting), hence why and how, it is, we die by the second, we are in fact, slowly dying. It will interest you to know that, one million cells in your body, die every second. That means in one day, approximately 1.2 kg of cells in your body dies.
Let me shock you with something unusual you won't get to readily hear from the bullpiss pulpit. Forget Methuselah and 969 years. Why he had to live that long, is a story on itself, for another day and another topic heading, just know that, ideally, man really isn't meant to live past circa 30 years old. Yahshua Ha Mashiah, aka Jesus Christ, lived 331/2 years, go figure
The thing is, it is not the the number of years we live that matters, but it is the number of lives, we impact with the number of years we've lived, that matters.
DappaD: From God's perspective, a thousand years is like a day.[Psalm 90:4, 2Peter 3:8] so since Adam died at 930-years, it meant that he didn't live up to a day(1,000years) in God's eyes.
So Jehovah[the name of the God of the Bible] never lied.(Titus 1:2) Since Adam was genetically close to perfection, he was able to live that long but since then the life expectancy of humans has greatly reduced because of obvious reasons—but eventually he died and decomposed back to the dust of the earth, which Jehovah said would happen.(Genesis 2:17, 3:19)
It is a given, Yahweh, (i.e. God) didnt lie. He said they will begin to die, and thats exactly what happened.
DappaD: The eyes of Adam and Eve were OPENED in that they became ashamed and were fully aware that they were sinners.(Genesis 3:7)
Maybe it's like you don't understand what actually transpired in Genesis chapters 2 and 3 so let me give you a brief rundown. Jehovah provided the following for both Adam and Eve: 1. A beautiful home. Genesis 2:8 2. A marriage partner. Genesis 2:21-24 3. Nutritious food. Genesis 2:9,16 4. Satisfying work. Genesis 1:28, 2:15 5. Prospect of living forever. Genesis 2:17 ALL FREE! And He was going to do more, if only Adam and Even closely followed God's program. All of these were free provided they both obeyed a simple rule given to them to keep away from a tree that represented God's authority over them.(Genesis 2:17)
But then came along one of Jehovah's spirit sons/angel, though unnamed, later came to be addressed as Satan and Devil, acted on his own freewill and employed the use of a serpent and performed the work of a modern-day ventriloquist so he hid his true identity. He came to Eve because he knew she was the youngest intelligent creature so she might be naive and curious. Then he sowed doubts in her mind by: 1. claiming that Jehovah was lying to Adam and Eve that they wouldn't die if they ate the fruit. 2. claiming that God wasn't completely honest with them and was withholding something good from them. Genesis 3:1-5
But ask yourself this question, in contrast with all Jehovah provided for them, what had Satan (using the serpent) given to them? Did he provide them with anything good? Food? A home? A marriage partner? Life? As in why should we give attention to someone who has nothing worthwhile to offer?!!! Try and reason please.
Remember that Satan seduced Eve into thinking that she would become like God so that she wouldn't need anybody to tell her what was right or wrong! Genesis 3:5 By giving in to Satan's claims, she never became like God, instead she later died. She had served Satan's interests and had come under his rulership even though Satan deceived her into thinking that she was doing it for herself, but actually she became a SLAVE to Satan.(John 8:44, James 1:14-15)
Ever since then, the vast majority(99%) of mankind have come under the influence and authority of Satan in one way or another(1John 5:19) Satan the Devil has been misleading the entire inhabited earth for more than six millennia but all we can see since then has been pain, suffering, war, crime, injustice and several other woes.(Revelation 12:9-12) So now considering all of these, who was being honest between Jehovah and Satan? Because Satan is the one who has all the governments and world powers of the earth at his beck and call(Matthew 4:8-10, Ephesians 6:12) and nothing good has come out of his rulership even with the advance of science and technology and with the different types of governments that have been experimented since then. So who was actually lying in the Garden of Eden, budaatum?
Christianity Etc › Re: If Nothing Can Exist Without A Creator, So What Created God? by MuttleyLaff: 5:16am On Dec 10, 2020
