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Emmanystone:
Have you, as a Christian ever wondered why the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul said we should abstain from sex during fasting and prayer?

MuttleyLaff:
Please for the benefit of others especially invited guests,
reproduce here the passage with its chapter and verse
that states that a man should not have sex with his wife or vice versa

budaatum:
You said Paul came up with it actually.
And if it is correct, that Paul did say so, it must be known that Paul got quite a lot of stuff from non-Christian sources and not just from the Holy Spirit. Though, I don't know if he wrote this or where he got it from

Emmanystone:
Sir, i didn't say Paul came up with it, i said 'The Holy Spirit through Paul' said...

Emmanystone:
Let's discuss Paul sources some other time, but today is about Sex during Fasting and Prayer.

budaatum:
Could you provide biblical references please.

Emmanystone:
Yes sir.
1 Corinthians:7:5
Defraud ye not one the other, except it be with consent for a time, that ye may give yourselves to fasting and prayer;
and come together again, that Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.

Mujtahida:
The essence of the seed is ten times greater than the essence of the blood.
There's sperm in every cell in a man's body.
The sperm is called the life force.
Iis believed that keeping it in the body keeps a man spiritually sharp.
It enhances spiritual sensitivity and alertness.

Ishilove:
My good sir, focus

Sarassin:
Hmmm...@bolded I bet Mrs Mutters is none too pleased with that!

Mujtahida:
The holy Spirit did not. Millenia before Christianity, it was known in various Buddhist and Hindu sects that men should abstain from sex during periods of spiritual exercises like fasting.
In Yoga a man can experience orgasm without ejaculation. Abi Holy Spirit dey Buddhism?

Aonkuuse:
this is the problem of human beings, they always want to make issues out of nothing,
why did God create a man with private parts and went ahead to install hormones in human beings.
so why should sex be carnal in marriage?

Mujtahida:
All religions try to regulate and control sex with deceptive words like 'holy', 'carnal', 'sinful' etc.
Nature just goes on on its way and doesn't give a damn about the artificialities contained in religious books.

Emmanystone:
Mia Caro, Christians didn't come up with the idea of no sex during Fasting and prayer, the Holy Spirit did.

Sarassin:
Really, well Cara Mia what do I know?

Emmanystone:
Nuclearboy is no longer in Nairaland.

Emmanystone:
I was having this chat with some friends about Sex in marriage.
They were of the opinion that sex is completely Carnal. One said, the only Holy thing in Sex is because it was ordained and instituted by God. But, the act of it is Carnal.

I totally disagreed, saying everything about sex is Holy.
A very deep ordinance that goes far beyond man.
I said, sex is worship. When a man and his wife are engage in sex, God sees them just the way He sees them at the alter worshipping Him.

One asked me a question which threw me off. I tried to wriggle myself out of it, i couldn't

This is the question she asked, 'If Sex in marriage is not carnal
pls bare in mind that Carnality is anything done outside the dictates of God),
Why did God command that a man should not have sex with his wife during Fasting and Prayer?

Have you, as a Christian ever wondered why the Holy Spirit through Apostle Paul said we should abstain from sex during fasting and prayer?

Emmanystone:
Pls contribute your thoughts.
Well, i asked the Holy Spirit and He gave me an answer, but let me hear from others first.

Sarassin:
Completely unrelated.
The good Lord commanded, "Go forth and multiply"
How do you comply with God's commandment if not by the act of marital conjugation?
Christianity generally perceives fasting as a half-measure of penance and a half measure of supplication therefore consumation of the sexual act during fasting could be considered counter-intuitive to the aims of fasting.
But one cannot then make that leap that ergo, abstention from the sexual act during fasting renders the act Carnal.

Emmanystone:
Calling in MuttleyLaff, Ronpet777, Butterflylion/ Butterfly1on, Budaatum Ishilove my babe.

Emmanystone:
Pls explanation to the bolded.

Emmanystone:
Someone asked me why Couples shd abstain from sex during fasting prayer if sex was not carnal,
i didn't have answers to that,
when i asked Him,
the answer He gave blew my mind.
Only Him could give such an answer.
He is real.

Emmanystone:
He that comes to Him must first believe that He Is, then knowledge through revelation will come.

Emmanystone:
The gathering of the faithfuls having a common goal, which is to worship, praise, and be exhorted.

budaatum:
From whose perspective do we have it, is a valid question.
The problem stems from the story itself,
and not from my scepticism.
Its definitely not from Abraham nor Sarah
nor does the narration claim God wrote it.
A believer may not require answers to such questions, but I would assert that anyone who desires to wring the ultimate knowledge and understanding from the narration would definitely wish to consider it.

MuttleyLaff:
Every Scripture passage is inspired by God. All of them are useful for teaching, pointing out errors, correcting people, and training them for a life that has God's approval.

Are you familiar with the verse quoted above there?

Sarassin:
Check....

budaatum:
From whose perspective do we have it, is a valid question. The problem stems from the story itself, and not from my scepticism.
Its definitely not from Abraham nor Sarah
nor does the narration claim God wrote it.
A believer may not require answers to such questions, but I would assert that anyone who desires to wring the ultimate knowledge and understanding from the narration would definitely wish to consider it.

budaatum:
A problem to you. A virtue to me
But as I say, Alice did not really fall down a hole except as a work of fiction. Still words still mean what I say they mean, a la humpty dumptyism.

So, what, apart from the 'facts', is of significance here? Remember the start of this was my statement that,

"As the skeptic that I am, I am more likely to believe there was some science behind the wine making."

Do note that when I believe a thing, I mean that I do not know if a thing is quite as I claim it is but I hold that it might be as I claim for convenience. Hence, if I believe it is raining outside, it is because I am not certain that it is raining outside but I am willing to go by that assumption and go out with an umbrella. If I were certain, I would say "It is raining outside". One might think the result is the same, but sticking my head outside to check if it were raining would better inform my need, or not, for an umbrella

budaatum:
How can I be opposed to what I post here?

Really?!

When I did go to Church, I joined Bible Study. We read Luke, going through it section by section, and I learnt a great deal about the practises of a Christian. Everyone knew I was an atheist in the group. Belief never came into it. I think everyone should go through a course of Luke.

I met this blind old man there who became a very good friend of mine. He described himself as a Church of England member and not a Christian. At every study, soon as anyone said "Only through Christ shall one enter the Kingdom of God", he would jump down their throats. "What about Hindus, Muslims"? And 'looking' towards me, "atheists?" he would ask. I used to tell him that that was the belief of Christians, but he would accuse me of not preaching my atheism!

Now, there was this woman, the kindest simplest person you could imagine, so full of love. I'd ask my blind old friend if he thinks I should preach my atheism to her. His response was, "that would be cruel, as it would be like taking away that which comforts her". I agreed.

I do not require anyone to abandon what they believe if they so wish to stick to it. I strongly hold the position that a faith held by knowing is far superior than one held by belief

I say what I say, knowing those who can handle it will, and those who can't will ignore it.

I am asking you to abandon your beliefs and know, instead.
For it is written that,
"Those who seek should not stop seeking until they find.
When they find, they will be disturbed.
When they are disturbed, they will marvel, and will reign over all.
And after they have reigned they will rest."

Emmanystone:
Can we call what we are doing here a Church?

But Budaatum said he is an atheist, not a Christian.

He is opposed to what he posts here, so we can't call this a gathering of the faithfuls.

He is here trying to make us see why what we believe is a fraud, for us to abandon it as he has, and join him in his unbelief.

Emmanystone:
What do you want to call the assemblage where we agree to meet to exhort and be exhorted?
The Church is not a building but the gathering of believers with a common goal. That's what i meant.

We are told not to neglect that Assembly, what do you call that Assembly?

Emmanystone:
Guys like you who don't go to church
How's the family?
Sorry about the cold.
Meanwhile we are being scourged here.
Wait!!!!, Buda, did you read the book you sent to me?
Hmmmmm

budaatum:
Family good.
I used to go church, to figure what you all went for. Did 12 years of it but found it not to be catching. So I only go once in a while, mostly special occasions. Went Saturday week though.
Had a meeting with the Bishop of Woolwich.
He's Nigerian. Nice man. Told him I'm posting a picture on the internet of him washing my cup. He laughed.

Yeah, I read it years ago. What'd you make of it?

Emmanystone:
Guys like you who don't go to church
How's the family?
Sorry about the cold.

Meanwhile we are being scourged here.

Wait!!!!, Buda, did you read the book you sent to me?

Hmmmmm

budaatum:
The problem with all this is that
no one could have provided the detail about Abraham and Sarah so as to be able to write this story.
It wasn't as if either of them left a journal. Leaves one to assume, and perhaps conclude that it was made up after the fact.
Or perhaps the angel Gabriel narrated it to someone.

I guess I am questioning how the story of Abraham came about.
Its not as if I take it as a given, or a record of a historical fact

budaatum:
I omitted a lot of stuff. As does the Bible itself.

Amongst my people, and probably Abraham time people, not producing offspring is just about the second worst thing a man could do.
The first is not marrying at all.

In my home town, Sarahs would have been told to find some young man to get her pregnant before its too late.
Even Abrahams would do what the biblical Abraham did, as its the only way they had for fertility tests in those days.
It's not even strange for the Abrahams to tell the Sarahs to go get herself pregnant if he'd tried elsewhere and failed.
And if either got pregnant, "Thank God", is what they'd both say.

budaatum:
Yeah, those bloody demons are going to heaven.
Hopefully they would change their nature first.
Can't have them being demonic in heaven!

budaatum:
It is claimed Sarah's was past the menopause
and that Mary knew no man, claims we unfortunately cannot verify
but which those who believe in do, so by faith, an attitude we atheists have a deficit in.

budaatum:
Our attitude is as is said in Porgy and Bess, "the things you are likely to read in the Bible, it ain't necessarily so".

budaatum:
I find it a pity that "For God so loved the world...." was inserted into the text.
It does contradict what has been declared as Christ's actual teachings, and contradicts it in parts.
It makes more sense for it to have read "that whosoever does as he taught....".
And would have ensured a seeking for better understanding of his teachings.

budaatum:
Well, its written already, and I take it as it is.
You can see my preference above if I had written it.
Goes to show though that the writers had an intention in mind

budaatum:
Usurping God with a new God perhaps?

bloodofthelamb:
Try again bro

invisikay:
In Today's service in daystar, Pastor Sam Adeyemi shared his view on tithe, he says that tithe as paid in the old Testament as a law with curses attached has expired, and no Christian should be pressured or forced to pay tithe, he also said that not paying tithe does not attract a curse for a Christian, since we are under a new covenant, he however stated that giving is a choice, everyone should decide the percentage they want to pay with the knowledge that you will be blessed based on how you give.
You can watch the video on the church YouTube Channel, Facebook page or website today

MuttleyLaff:
If you missed the service in Daystar, where Pastor Sam Adeyemi shared his view on tithe, it is going to be rebrocasted at 3:00pm Nigeria time
otherwise, wait for tomorrow, when it would have been already uploaded

invisikay:
In Today's service in daystar, Pastor Sam Adeyemi shared his view on tithe, he says that tithe as paid in the old Testament as a law with curses attached has expired, and no Christian should be pressured or forced to pay tithe, he also not that not paying tithe does not attract a curse for a Christian, since we are under a new covenant, he however stated that giving is a choice, everyone should decide the percentage they want to pay with the knowledge that you will be blessed based on how you give. You can watch the video on the church YouTube Channel, Facebook page or website today

budaatum:
John 2

Stop turning my Father’s house into a market!

In this chapter Jesus makes two things, wine and a whip of cords.
As the skeptic that I am, I am more likely to believe there was some science behind the wine making.
Besides, it reminds me of my clubbing days when people used to ask me for pills and I freely gave them Tictacs.
You wouldn't believe how high people got on them!

budaatum:
Perhaps the wine wasn't the fermented sort, is what I am suggesting here as sufficient time for fermentation had not elapsed.
Or perhaps it's like the palmwine in the Orolu Kingdom - it tastes better diluted.

budaatum:
I'll focus more on his Daddy Freezeness act of asking that the temples not be made into shops!
Rather pertinent to our own times, won't you agree?
It does amuse me that he too is asked what/who authorises him to tell the pastorpreneurs of his day to stop selling their fake gods!

budaatum:
The fact he didn't "entrust himself" to those who believed him is saying something I am sure we'd return to later.

budaatum:
I actually tried to respond to this, but found I was unable to make a graven image

budaatum:
or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above.

budaatum:
Gods, however (least my above sounds evasive) are human constructs used to explain existence to one another

Emmanystone:
I didn't see the invite. I don't understand the rules of Chess, so can't play it and won't enjoy it even if i watched you guys. So, enjoy your bonding

Emmanystone:
Good morning brother.

Emmanystone:
But you said females aren't excluded.
You guys seems to be playing a game outside of here.

Anyways, let me mind my business.

budaatum:
Don't mind him.
Cold is wiring his ass.

Emmanystone:
Oh, you guys are playing Chess online.

Emmanystone:
So, what's going on?