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orunto27:
He who is least in the Kingdom of Heaven is greater than he.

Sarassin:
and.......!

Yeah orunto27 and....!

Sarassin:
As you know, the Historian Yosef ben Matityahu otherwise known as Josephus lived circa 37CE-100CE. He was an ethnic Jewish turncoat

from frying pan into fire by ''upgrading'' from a non believing Jewish to a traitor
who not only denies Jesus as Messiah but also betrayed his people by siding with the Romans (i.e. double-crossed his own people)

Sarassin:
who was the head of the Jewish forces in Gallile (and so would have obtained historical accounts from better sources) he was granted Roman citizenship

and had a change of name from the Yosef ben Matityahu Jewish name to a Roman name of Flavius Josephus

Sarassin:
I concede that Josephus’ dating of certain events can be problematic but on a balance of probabilities, his accounts were far more reliable. He was not a Christian Historian therefore he had no bias in his accounts either for…or against Christianity. In fact his treatment of John the Baptist is quite sympathetic.

Christians often point to the Testimonium Flavium as evidence of the historicity of Jesus, and yet will cast aspersion on the historian when his accounts do not conform to orthodox beliefs

Am not surprised, afterall he was pro John the Baptist and a non believing Jew for that matter

Sarassin:
I agree that Isa 40:3 heralds a ‘forerunner’ it does not specify ‘Who’

Luke is merely quoting the Prophet Isaiah and writing long after the facts. We should remember that the author of Luke also wrote the Book of Acts. The volumes were composed during the reign of the last Flavian Emperor Domitian (81CE-96CE) and was still being revised much later. By no stretch of the imagination is the gospel author of Luke an eyewitness to the accounts he wrote nor is he an historian.

Josephus too wrote about things when he wasnt even born when they happened

Sarassin:
This is simply not true. Is 40:3 simply announces a forerunner.

John the Baptist is unlikely to have uttered those words. Those words are incompatible with the Baptist’s earlier denials that he was Elias reborn (Jn1.21) The reasoning here is quite simple. John the Baptist was well versed in the scriptures. If he denies that he is Elias reborn, why would he then admit to being the “herald “ or “forerunner of the Messiah” knowing full well that only Elias reborn could make such a claim?

I agree that there are holes, but in my view, on the balance of probabilities, the holes are more glaring in the biblical accounts

That will be, if based on Josephus' biased and miscalculated accounts

nspodcast1:
Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who led a decades-long fight against racial discrimination in South Africa, says the oppression of gay people around the world is the “new Apartheid.” The retired Anglican archbishop spoke openly with NBC’s Ann Curry about God, the bible and homophobia.

In a sit down with Ann Curry of NBC joined by his daughter, he said;

“It’s not a choice, you don’t say, I choose to be white, or I choose to be black. It’s a given, you don’t choose your sexual orientation”

When asked about if he thinks that God hates gays, he said:

“I am absolutely utterly certain that God wouldn’t be homophobic. I rather go to Hell, that go to a homophobic heaven”

He was spoke about the long standing arguments concerning the bible’s rejection of homosexuality. He said:

“The bible said quite a lot of things many of which I do not accept at all. Yes many of us say that the bible is the word of God, but yes, it is the word of God through the mouth of human beings”

He concluded by saying:

“God sits there, and weeps, because God is saying, you know what? You are all my children, you are all members of one family, my family, and when are we going to learn to live amicably together?”

Hmm, the man knows, as he has firsthand ​experience of what he is talking about
Try walking in his shoes then you'll know how he came to feel this way
and may understand why he says what he says about this issue

Iamsynord:
[size=5pt]While diss Tracks date back to the Sunny ade Vs Ebenezer Obey ,kollington and Barrister era,the list will address only contemporary Hiphop Tracks

1) Nico gravity ( Finish timaya) - Nico gravity diss track for timaya.Finish Timaya was a Hit Track.He went ahead to release season 1 and season 2 and even shot a video for the track.

2) Tony Tetuila ( Omode Meta)- After leaving the Remedies,Tony tetuila released the Mega hit " omode Meta" which was a diss track targeted at former group mates, Eddy montana and Eedris Adbulkareem.The song gained wide prominence and is tagged as the father of contemporary afro pop in Nigeria.

3) Mallam Spicey ( 1005 naira) -After TerryG dissed Him in a one liner in Free madness part 1 where he said " Me i no be mallam spicey wey no day fourth bar" koba".Mallam spicey responded with 1005 naira bling bling wey boys day wear .The song became a hit and he shot a video for it.

4) RuggedMan (Eh Ehen) - This is arguably the first rap diss track in nigeria hiphop sphere where Rugged called out Eedris,and some other Mcs.The Song was a Hit and changed the Nigeria Rap scene.

5) Kelly handsome ( Igwe) - Igwe was a Diss track by Kelly handsome where he dissed the then Mo hits record and Choc city boys.The Song is one of his career's biggest and has a video to it.

6) Wande Coal ( Who born the Maga) - Wande Coal was the only Mo hits member who responded to the Kelly handsome diss with his " Who born the Maga" track off M2M album with kayswitch as a guest artiste. Wande Coal shot a video for it.

7) MI ( Beef) - Mi beef track was targeted at all those artistes that dissed him from Iceberg slim to kelly handsome and some other rappers. The Song was a Big hit and also has an interesting video[/size]

8 ) 9ice ( Talk am listening)- Following the altercation between Rugged and 9ice, a couple of diss songs were released.
But the most prominent of the diss track where rugged name was directly mentioned is Talk i am listening featuring Seriki. The song was a hit.

[size=5pt]9) Olamide ( First of All) - Olamide Took a Jibe at Chocolate city Rapper Mi in his hit track ,First of all where he said " In short you can call me Mi,oga fun gan afi bi ti waje,. And lines like " different shows,one cloth ki lo fe fo se

10) Mode 9 ( Death Blow) / Eedris ( WackaWicki Mcs) - I dont know which should have made d list but i settled for d Two. When Death Blow came out. It was a hit.Death blow had part 1 and part 2.The song was directed at Ruggedman.The song remains one of Mode 9 biggest hit

Eedris Abdulkareem WackaWiki MCs was quite a Hit when it was released too..

Pls Note ,it is not based on the illest or dopest diss tracks. It is solely based on the popularity of the diss tracks.

Notable mentions

Vector- Distractions ( Reminisce diss)
Vector - The truth ( Mode 9)
Rukus - The list
Aq- international rapper ( local rappers diss)
Yung6ix- one tweet.
Iceberg Slim - Mr international ( MI)
Sinzu- Exit Strategy (Godwon Diss)
Mode9 - Talking to You.

Which is your favourite diss track ??

Written and Compiled. by Iamsynord[/size]

Ruggedman's replies to 9ice's diss track where 9ice name was directly mentioned
Ruggedman - A Word Is Enuff For The 9ice
AND/OR
Ruggedman - Chinaydu

Sarassin:
In the final analysis, we see that the Christian NT presents John the Baptist as ‘forerunner’ of Christ and it is important to the texts that John is presented as ‘before’ Jesus. But a third source, the Roman Jewish historian Josephus in his antiquities gives us a description of John the Baptist that occurs several paragraphs after his description of Jesus. Implying that John came later.

Knowing who Flavius Josephus is, helps a lot, to understand the reason behind his inconsistencies
It also let you guess why certain information in his works can be misleading and not be connected to Christian interpretations
What was Josephus' ethnicity?
What was Josephus' original or real name?

Sarassin:
In addition we are given the year 36CE by Josephus as the date of the year of the death of the Baptist, yet the Christian canons inform us that Jesus having been tried for sedition was dead by the year 30CE. His earthly ministry lasting no more than 3 years. It therefore follows that the conversation recorded by the Gospel author of Mathew purportedly depicting a conversation of John raising his doubts as well as all talks of “wonderous happenings” attributed to Jesus (Mat 11:3) could not have taken place whilst the Baptist was in prison since we know he was not released by the murderous Herod before his death

When was Flavius Josephus born? (i.e. what year was Josephus born?)
You probably have guessed where answering the date of birth question is leading to :-)

Sarassin:
We know from other Gnostic writings that Jesus himself was reluctant to avail himself of the Baptismal rites of John only being prevailed upon at a much later stage. Could it be that the ministry of Jesus commenced much earlier than is being presented in the NT? Perhaps, could it be that both men had rival ministries completely un-related?
More likely than not, can we be entirely sure that John the Baptist was a forerunner of Christ as depicted in the NT? Most assuredly not.

The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness,
Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God
- Isaiah 40:3

As it is written in the book of the words of Esaias the prophet, saying,
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight
- Luke 3:4

John said,
"I'm a voice crying out in the desert,
'Make the way for the Lord straight,' as the prophet Isaiah said."
- John 1:23

Old testament Isaiah 40:3 above, make it entirely sure that John the Baptist was a forerunner of Christ
John the Baptist confirmed with it with new testatament John 1:23 along with other NT narration as provided above

Sarassin:
Thank you all

The submission(s) are so full of holes that anyone who knows the facts can see right through them. No, thank you

JMG1:
Today is just super dry, seems everyone is busy.
I needed clarification on something which is bugging my mind and have been expecting one of our great brethren here to help address it but nothing.
Here is what I posted earlier on here

Brethren in the house, I need serious clarification about this and its about the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues

Read below

JMG1:
Based on my knowledge and my experience also on the journey God took me before I was being baptised by the Holy Ghost and could speak in tongues

Am not trying to be mean, not trying to hate, not try to be a smart alec but you dont speak in tongues

JMG1:
The bible says when you receive Christ Jesus as you Lord and saviour, you receive the Holy Spirit which is right but from my own knowledge and understanding, baptism of the Holy Ghost and power with the evidence of speaking in tongues does not come until the heart is fully sanctified.
I understand that when you are born again, your spirit is but not the soul which means your thoughts and mind is still the same as there is still the old adamic nature in us but after salvation comes sanctification which is when you renew your mind with the word of God then after the heart is fully sanctified, then baptism of the Holy Spirit. Reason for all this is because the Holy Spirit does not dwell in an unsanctified heart so until there is sanctification, there is no baptism of the Holy Ghost.
This is how I understand it and this was exactly how it happened in my own case.
Now there is this other church I went to, and what they teaches is that a sinner as soon as he receive Jesus can be baptised immediately and also speak in tongues, which they also practise backing it with scriptures like

Acts 2:
37 When the people heard this, they were cut to the heart and said to Peter and the other apostles, “Brothers, what shall we do?”
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptised, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.”

How this church you go or went to, teaches, is erroneous

JMG1:
And some other scriptures and this they practise in that church, once you receive Jesus, they help you to speak in tongues

a red flag should have raised up signalling a problem with ''they help you to speak in tongues''

JMG1:
I understand that satan has he's own counterfeit of speaking in tongues.

And thou shalt be brought down, and shalt speak out of the ground, and thy speech shall be low out of the dust, and thy voice shall be, as of one that hath a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and thy speech shall whisper out of the dust
- Isaiah 29:4

Of course, satan has he's own counterfeit of speaking in tongues, aided by familiar spirits etcetera

JMG1:
Now my question is, can a sinner who just receives salvation and hasn't gone through sanctification of the heart be baptised with the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues?

Yes, if talking of the real gift of speaking in tongues according to 1 Corinthians 12:10

to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy,
to another distinguishing between spirits,
to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,
and to still another the interpretation of tongues.
- 1 Corinthians 12:10

JMG1:
This is really bordering me and confusing and they use lots of scriptures in the bible, 1 Cor 12,13,14 and some others to back it up.

On the day of pentecost, when about 120 of them were baptised, they already believed and received Jesus, they were already followers of Christ so it was easy for them to be baptised but a sinner who just receive Jesus to be baptised in the Holy Ghost and can speak in tongues just immediately is what baffles me.

Bro CharlyG1, sis analice107, bro vooks, bro GoodMuyis, bro oyeludef and others, please contribute

Thanks and everyone should have a great night

cc posters Tjayjosh, sonofthunder, donnie, GoodMuyis and Peritus who so far had responded to your post

⁹Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.
¹⁰For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept;
line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
- Isaiah 28:9-10

Wherefore the Lord said,
Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me,
but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:
- Isaiah 29:13

''Precept upon precept'' in Isaiah 28:10 above, means:
the arranging or placing things in relation to each according to a particular sequence, pattern or method
(e.g. like maybe, on top of another, side by side etcetera)
That is the rule to understanding the Bible
(e.g. do an orderly arrangement of things relating to any Bible subject of interest like tongues guided by the Holy Spirit
and NOT following the order or arrangement, mentioned in Isaiah 29:13, laid by men)

Apart from repeating line upon line twice, for emphasis
''line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little'', this is self explanatory

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
- 2 Timothy 2:15

2 Timothy 2:15 is referenced above because the bible is a book of divisions
It is a book of division as it has parts for the Jew, Gentile and Church
there are some parts in the Bible where it speaks to the Jew and doesnt speak to the Gentile,
there are some parts, the Bible says to the Gentile and it didnt say to the Church etcetera

Having laid down the above (e.g. Isaiah 28:9-10, Isaiah 29:13 & Timothy 2:15),
now let's both start find out how much of 2 Timothy 2:15 you are made of

You enquired about the evidence of ''speaking in tongues'', mentioned Acts 2, 1 Corinthians 12 1 Corinthians 14, 1 Corinthians 14 etcetera,
and the below quotes which stood out like a sore thumb
''Now there is this other church I went to,
and what they teaches is that a sinner as soon as he receive Jesus can be baptised immediately and also speak in tongues,
which they also practise backing it with scriptures like''

1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be?
2) Do you know why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible?
3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible?
4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible who it was aimed at or meant for?
5a) Do you know, who or how many, on the day of Pentecost, spoke with other tongues? (i.e. give the number if not names or identities)
5b)What to your undestanding does ''speak with other tongues'' means?

¹³ Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.
¹⁴ For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.
¹⁵ What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will
- 1 Corinthians 14:13–17

6) What is ''speaks in a tongue'' in 1 Corinthians 14:13 above all about?
7) According to GoodMuyis, three years after her conversion, his late Aunt was firing praying tongue, now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above
8 ) Why is it necessary that when my spirit prays my mind needs to be fruitful? (i.e. in relation to 1 Corinthians 14:14b)
9) Also give a demonstration explanation and example of praying in the spirit as in 1 Corinthians 14:15 above

²⁷If any speak in a tongue, let there be only two or at most three, and each in turn, and let someone interpret.
²⁸But if there is no one to interpret, let each of them keep silent in church and speak to himself and to God.
- 1 Corinthians 14:27–28

10) What do you think of 1 Corinthians 14:27–28 above, does the church you mentioned also practise backing up ''speak in a tongue'' with scriptures like these?

Those 10 will do for now, so lets have a kit-kat at this point

Kei144:
Da. 7:13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.
Da. 7:14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all peoples, nations and men of every language worshipped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Matthew 7 is significant for both Christians and Jews. It tells us a lot about the Jewish messiah. It also tells us a lot about Jesus Christ. Christians should study Daniel 7 and get some proper understanding about Jesus Christ and thereby correct some of their doctrines

What are some of their doctrines that needs to be corrected which Daniel 7 and Mathew 7 addresses?

sarassin please let us know when you've finished, docked and tied up at wharf,
so to know when the coast is clear to start querying some of the contents in your posts, towards checking their validity(ies) or accuracy(ies)
(e.g.
¹it is unlikely he was Christened “John”,
that name was likely granted him by no less a personage than Jesus at a much later stage as will be shown.
²It was against this background that John the Baptist encountered Jesus of Nazareth
³''Many of John’s disciples continued in their own path and refused to subsequently recognize the Messiahship of Jesus,
because above all else they had no authority from their master to do so, it was indeed complicated.'')

PS: Still an interesting and tantalising thread as usual, and am already anxiously waiting to read the next instalment(s)

efficiencie:
Historical balderdash awash with hogwash...all that matters is a new creature...

Sarassin:
Thank you for your carefully considered opinion.

Forget doing riposting jor. Just continue the unreeling, we are reading

LoJ:
And what is this kingdom of heaven?

It is the main subject of talk, in most, if not all of Jesus' teachings
The time promised by God has come at last!
so change the way you think and act, and believe the Good News
The kingdom of Heaven/God is here

Sarassin:
Jesus called him " the greatest among those that are born of women " But at first sight nothing in the ethical teachings of the Baptist seems to justify such a superlative estimation. Afterall John, as Jesus says (Matt.21) came “in the way of righteousness,”

Further, John the Baptist was untouched by those latest Jewish ideals, such as man's forgiveness of his neighbour,and universal love, the influence of which is paramount in the teaching of Jesus in fact by that new ethic of love propagated throughout the Christian world by the Sermon on the Mount, initially taught as well by the Jewish sage of the second century B.C. who wrote The Testaments of the XII. Patriarchs.

What then could have convinced Jesus to place John above the greatest teachers and reformers of old Israel, above the likes of Isaiah or Jeremiah? Could it be the new peculiar purificatory rite, known to a later age as the ' baptism of John ' or baptism of repentance,' or rather the re-interpretation of the spiritual meaning Jesus himself ascribed to the baptismal ceremony in his teaching?
It is worth exploring.

It is worth discussing the ''superlative'' bit in detail indeed about what made Jesus to say John was the greatest among those born of women of course including prophets the likes of Isaiah or Jeremiah

Fact is, John straddled an old and newly forming or emerging dispensation
John had one foot in the law dispensation and the other foot ''dipped'' in grace dispensation

Unlike other prophets, the likes of Isaiah or Jeremiah, John not only announced Jesus, he actually met Jesus
(i.e. John made formal public statement(s) about Jesus, His occurrence, intention etcetera and importantly saw Jesus)
It is for the above plain reason that Jesus said, as REGARDS, on earth, John was the greatest among those born of women
as everyone else announced the coming, John however announced it is near (i.e. close by)
Also, for the other fact, him being the last prophet, who not only announced Jesus but saw Jesus korokoro too

HOWEVER, as regards in the kingdom of Heaven, it is a different criteria used
as the least person in the Kingdom of Heaven, is greater than John is

PS: Interesting thread, as usual, am anxiously waiting to read the next instalment(s)

analice107:
LOL. It was the World meal?

Yeah the typed ''world'' predictive text instead of intended to type whole word
and particularly the easy and laid back manner innocently you posted ''would have, if people didn't get there as at when they did.
... the dogs were just about finishing the whole world meal''

MizyB:
b, c, a, a, c, c, b, a, a, b.

I doff my hat https://s21.postimg.org/kjfwrp3ir/applause.gif

MizyB:
They nailed Christ's hand and feet to the cross too. On his head was a crown made of thorn- my spiritual parallel.

Please continue, please meat upholster this skeleton, this afterall is meant to be educational

MizyB:
Spiritual significance - I don't know sir.

Please push, breathe in deep and push harder

analice107:
But we can get it in a shop?

No not that I know of

analice107:
They could and would have, if people didn't get there as at when they did.
When the people went down to see what happened to her body, the dogs were just about finishing the whole world meal

I hail and shift seat for you. Nice try...

analice107:
What's it about?

It's about one of his films on spirit possession where animals, demons, extraterrestrials, gods, or spirits enter human bodies to take possession and control of human bodies

analice107:
How can we get it?

It's a box office film
It's not digitised so you cant get it.

Watch Chief Hubert Ogunde's Jaiyesimi (1981) film (i.e. Dele and the possessed Jaiyesimi)

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How Well Do You Know The Biblical Easter Story?
Here’s the opportunity to refresh your memory.
Find out how just well you know the Easter story from the Bible.

1 Palm Sunday is the week before Easter. What does it mark?
a) When Jesus was put on the cross - it took a long time for him to die
b) Jesus entering Jerusalem on a donkey
c) Jesus going on trial

2 Why was Jesus coming to Jerusalem?
a) He was being put on trial
b) He was visiting his home town
c) To celebrate Passover

3 On what day was the Last Supper had?
a) Maundy Thursday
b) Good Friday
c) Easter Sunday

4 How did Judas betray Jesus?
a) He marked out Jesus to the Roman soldiers by kissing his cheek
b) He disclosed where Jesus was eating his Passover meal
c) He stabbed him in the back

5 Who was Pontius Pilate?
a) One of Jesus's disciples
b) The Roman Emperor
c) Roman governor who oversaw the death of Jesus

6 Who was the criminal who set free so that Jesus could be crucified?
a) Barrack
b) Barbosa
c) Barabbas

7 Who else was crucified alongside Jesus?
a) No one. He was on his own
b) Two thieves
c) Two murderers

8 What words did Jesus according to the Bible cry out while on the cross?
a) 'My God, My God, why have you forsaken me'
b) 'I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die'
c) 'He will swallow up death in victory; and the Lord God will wipe away tears from off all faces'

9 Who came to visit Jesus at his burial site only to discover he'd been resurrected?
a) Mary Magadalene
b) His mother, Mary
c) The Bible doesn't specify

10 When did Jesus leave Earth to join God in heaven?
a) Immediately
b) After he appeared to his disciples
c) After he'd spoken to the women who visited his grave

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And of Jezebel also spake the LORD, saying,
The dogs shall eat Jezebel by the wall of Jezreel.
- 1 Kings 21:23

³⁰Then Jehu went to Jezreel.
When Jezebel heard about it, she put on eye makeup, arranged her hair and looked out of a window.
³¹As Jehu entered the gate, she asked,
“Have you come in peace, you Zimri, you murderer of your master?”
³²He looked up at the window and called out,
“Who is on my side? Who?”
Two or three eunuchs looked down at him.
³³“Throw her down!” Jehu said.
So they threw her down, and some of her blood spattered the wall and the horses as they trampled her underfoot.
³⁴Jehu went in and ate and drank. “Take care of that cursed woman,” he said,
“and bury her, for she was a king’s daughter.”
³⁵But when they went out to bury her, they found nothing except her skull, her feet and her hands.
³⁶They went back and told Jehu, who said,
“This is the word of the Lord that he spoke through his servant Elijah the Tishbite:
On the plot of ground at Jezreel dogs will devour Jezebel’s flesh.
³⁷Jezebel’s body will be like dung on the ground in the plot at Jezreel, so that no one will be able to say, ‘This is Jezebel.’ ”
2 Kings 9:30-37

Why didn't or couldn't the dogs eat Jezebel's hands, head and feet?
Keeping in mind, this is Calvary/Easter period, what is the spiritual significance and/or spiritual parallel in the Bible?

Joagbaje:
1 Corinthians 14:39
Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues ().

In Acts 2:17 Peter quoted the words of the prophet Joel:
“And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy ....”

This was fulfilled on the day of Pentecost when the Holy Spirit came. In Acts 1:8, Jesus said
you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you.

Just for the record, no one despises prophecy
but what most despise is fake or not genuine prophecy

Joagbaje:
One of the ways to put that power to work is through the gift of prophecy.

The gift of prophecy is a door to the supernatural; it’s a way to bring the supernatural power of God into your life, finances, job, or congregation if you’re a minister of the Gospel. Therefore, you must learn to prophesy!

This is a gift, without discrimination, for all believers.
Believers, by defacto, are ministers of the Gospel

Joagbaje:
If you speak in tongues long enough, the anointing will come on you to prophesy; the Word of God will bubble up within you.
And when that anointing comes on you, with the Word boiling inside you, give it vent; let it out. That’s prophecy

This is misleading, a big fat lie, and the author and you know it
Speaking in tongues, is not a precursor to have the gift of prophesying
(i.e. speaking in tongues, is not something that happens or exists before the anointing to come on believers to prophesy)
There isnt any precedent for this claim in the Bible, that if you speak in tongues long enough, the anointing will come on you to prophesy
When the anointing prophecy comes on, some people, literally start blurting out the truth a la Saul manner (i.e. before he was crowned king), some a la Moses, Samuel, Jeremiah, Jesus style etcetera

Joagbaje:
To prophesy is to speak words that have divine potency; words that have life; so, don’t despise prophecy.
Prophecy is like a guiding light. It was through prophecy that the people knew about the coming of Jesus.
There were so many prophecies that the Saviour—the Messiah—would come.
The only proof that God had for the people to recognize and say, “This is the messiah,” was His Word spoken by the prophets about Christ—the Messiah

The first prophecy about the Messiah, the one anointed for the work of man's redemption is mentioned in the bible, as early as in Genesis 3:15

Joagbaje:
Prophecy is vital. Have there been prophecies about your life? Paul said to Timothy,
“This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare” (1 Timothy 1:18)

Make war with those prophecies. Take every word of prophecy concerning your life seriously.
Write them down, so you don’t forget, and chart your course with the creative power of God’s Word in your mouth

There is the need to check or confirm whether or if a gift such as prophecy, is good enough and worthy of developing

This is because, prophecy is a gift or instrument, depending on the source, equally used as a divine communication by God and evil or familiar spirits

Note that, prophecy is received and passed on in visions or in dreams, by means of visitation

Visitation by vision, occurs, note not in a dream, but via having powerful feelings or seeing strong clear images in the mind, in real time or as it happens in the future, of an apparition, a spirit. or events

Visitations also occurs in dreams, when one sees powerful or strong clear images an apparition, a spirit, or events as it happens in real time or in the future in a dream(s) during sleep

There are two possible objectives of prophecy:
to bless (i.e. to create and reassuringly maintain a state of extreme ease, power and sound mind)
or
to curse (i.e. to create and maintain a state of extreme fear, anxiety and distress)

There are at least two outcomes with any prophecy:
to lead right, give good tidings (i.e. give good news, good instruction or good information) or give advance notice of something (i.e. give warnings)
or
to mislead, give nightmares, night terrors and bad tidings (i.e. give bad news, give bad instruction or wrong information)

Where one has déjà vu accounts, and there arent clear cut signs in the prophecy(ies) of leading right, giving good tidings or good instructions, giving advance notice of something (e.g. like giving advance warnings) then before wanting to outrightly develop the ''gift'', why not have a pen and paper ALWAYS nearby, for quickly writing the encounter and events down, whenever visitations either in dream or vision come

This will allow one over a period or passge of time, to see whether it is a gift masquerading as coming from God or it truly is a gift from God

We ought to test terrestrial and celestial spirits too,
just as in 1 John 4:1, where we are advised, to test the spirit-man (i.e the spirit behind the man)
because as soon as or when the spirit(s) masquerading as coming from God, gains a proper foothold, it will with the help of false prophets mislead the easily deceived and/or lead many astray

Then the LORD said to me, "The prophets are prophesying falsehood in My name.
I have neither sent them nor commanded them nor spoken to them;
they are prophesying to you a false vision, divination, futility and the deception of their own minds
- Jeremiah 14:14

This is what the LORD Almighty says:
"Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the LORD.
- Jeremiah 23:16

⁸"For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel,
'Do not let your prophets who are in your midst and your diviners deceive you,
and do not listen to the dreams which they dream.
⁹'For they prophesy falsely to you in My name;
I have not sent them,' declares the LORD.…
- Jeremiah 29:8

vooks:
Emmanuel!

Amen

But this is not prophecy
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This is an unintelligent fraud, buffoonery on stilts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaHYXzrk03I
<sup>- Kemi Omololu-Olunloyo unknowingly prophesied
$1 WILL BE N300 & £1 WILL BE N400 if PMB gains power at 2:30 - 3:10mins
- Weekly Community rally under #Molete Bridge #Ibadan 19/1/15</sup>

KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: Our youths have no works, where are the jobs
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: The jobs created that they could benefit from werent offered or given to them
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: Election period is here, and I earlier promised that when it's here, I will deal with APC mercilessly
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: Where is our money? Where is the petrol?
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: Petrol is now N87 per litre. The common man caught afford the petrol price, talkess of have any in their generator. KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: Eh, what else is left to talk about?
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: What about food on the table? When are you lot going to effect having the price of pure water change to N20?
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: You now have the temerity of bringing, offering and waving Buhari at us.
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: You want us to vote in the military?
KEMI OMOLOLU-OLUNLOYO: THE DAY BUHARI TURNS TO BE THE HEAD OF THIS COUNTRY,
THAT DAY WILL BE WHEN $1 WILL BE N300 & £1 WILL BE N400

How she unwittingly managed to prophesy $1 WILL BE N300 & £1 WILL BE N400 if PMB gains power looks surreal
That right there, is a gift of prophecy that needs nurturing

kallmemrB:
your write up in incomplete...you should have educate people more on the various gift of prophesy....
and also u cant learn or copy it...its a divine gift...dont say blablabla cos ur pastor or prophet is saying it
read 1Corinthians Chapter 12 and 14 for better understanding

Joagbaje:
is there any place i talked about copying prophecy?

Copying wasnt mentioned in the write up
but kallmemrB if you want the copying prophecy, come and collect it write about it

...

vooks:
The 'enabling power' can speak, be grieved,be blasphemed and is most certainly referred with personal pronoun HE.

What was that thing you said about information?

vooks free me jor. Leave me alone.
I've had enough say on this thread and am done on the thread. Thanks

JMG1:
MuttleyLaff, vooks, superior1, you all have made great points and we understand quite well what we didn't before. Not please let's not derail this trend and move on. Lot of us are silently on this thrend learning so please let's keep on with the edification and not focus on challenging each other knowledge about the Holy Spirit. We not ALL KNOWING, only God is. God bless

vooks and I go way back, you can see the respect and understanding we accrue each other in our posts
and we don't take anything personal or make snide remarks to each other.

Now, so far this thread hasn't been derailed, as it still touched and made some clarifications on one of the thread title's subject.

If you think this has anything to do with challenging, then you have a lot more to learn.
You are trying to deny others from picking up one or two things from what emanates from the discussion with this muzzling attitude.
My last post on the thread.

vooks:
Two cents is a gross exaggeration of their worth. Not even in a hyper inflationary economy like Zim would they ever be two cents
The Holy Spirit is an IT?
What is it?

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It is the enabling power or force that flows between God the Father and God the Son, shared between them and other worthy or privileged believers

The root of information and truth is bitter but when it's fruit is eaten, it's sweet
My last 2 cents on this thread.

temi4fash:
Superior1 has said it all....

He couldn't have said any better

God bless and continue to increase you sir

@mutteyleaf

if you are using power generation as means of argument then your argument is flawed

why

1. No two flat can use the same amount of power even if they use the same amount of items cos of what we call tolerance level in the electrical equipment

2. Are you saying you can measure the amount of Holyghost living in a person because power can be measured.

3. Are you saying for instance a man is usually under the influence of the spirit 24 hours. do you watch and use all the items of your huse for 24hrs even when there is a mains supply.


N.B

When we argue or debate on issues we should learn to respect one another, As we are brothers and sis in Christ. So, we should not argue and fight.

Shalom

Please carefully read all the analogies about the Holy Spirit I've used before inventing up what I 've never insuniated.

I mentioned power supply and how you managed to switch this to power generation us baffling.

The Holy Spirit is not metered or measure
It just flows to power believers according to the measure of their capacity

We use power in the house according to what we have i.e. capacity we can handle.

Did Jesus recharge the Holy Spirit?
Your numbers 1, 2 and 3 are off the mark.
When your brother started with his snide remark, it didn't cross your mind to check and rein him in, hmm?
Respected isn't demanded, it is earned.

superior1:
Like I usually do, I would have replied you in a more brotherly fashion but for the word "crab mentality", I wont bother replying a second time.

Sort of crab mentality is not crab mentality

Dont know what you on about with this your sort of crab mentality ''whatever lexical semantics you like to play'' was the
- sort of crab mentality is not crab mentality

Sort of crab mentality means making snide remarks like:
''Refilling, filling, expanding filling.....whatever lexical semantics you like to play.... ''
which sort of sounds like, if I cant see the bigger picture, neither can you.

What a flippant remark, and reducing someone's labour & used precious time to ''whatever lexical semantics you like to play''
Who is playing. You think we post here out of idleness or boredom?
You think people post here for thrills, kicks or likes? Hmm?
Or fancy posting on the thread for killing time sake?

superior1:
I wont bother replying a second time

If it is going to be another jawando, thoughtless, careless or irresponsible reply, then I agree with you not to bother any other time

superior1:
I took college Physics. Televisions, Radio and most other electrical appliances have got a capacitor, it helps to retain electrical current in the circuit, stabilize voltage and power flow to avoid raw

electrical current hitting the circuit.

SMH,
you showing off your knowledge of capacitor, thas now made a really big impression of you on me.

superior1:
No Minister/Christian stands 24/7 under the raw anointing of the Holy Spirit, have not seen any with such claims

Where did you read about standing 24/7 under the raw anointing of the Holy

Spirit?
Who did you read, typed standing 24/7 under the raw anointing of the Holy Spirit?

If you had ''farabale'' (i.e. humbly) read the post trail, you would've correctly seen it, read and elsewhere echoed as ''connect 24/7 to the Source or Mains''

When you connect your flat or house to the national grid (i.e. major or local NEPA or PHCN power stations), it powers your flat/house to your capacity
It powers your flat/house to the capacity of whatever electrical appliances you have present.
Also the electrical appliances wont come on unless they are plugged in to the sockets and switched on
It is the same amount of power that comes into your flat/house, that will come into my flat/house but it will be dispersed according to needed electrical equipments capacities
The power coming in is constant, continual and ever present. We dont need to recharge the TV, the fridge freezer, the radio, the AC, the cooker, we just make sure that there are connected to the

Mains via a live socket and merely switch them on for use

Likewise Minister/Christian ought to remain connected 24/7 to the Mains. And if connected, but not switched on, then switch on as per when needed, to receive the Juice, ever present in the Wire or

Cable dispense from the Power Station

superior1:
Capacitors have internal dielectric system which often drains the stored charges, the capacitors become weak and their capacitance weakens overtime, it has nothing to do with the steadiness of

current supply. It needs to be recharged or replaced.

Arent you here, obfuscating the issue, complicating a simple analogy and running wild with it and turning it into something else

The Holy Spirit doesnt need to be recharged or replaced
We connect to the Holy Spirit and receive power by plugging in to the Mains via a socket and remain plugged into it for constant Holy Spirit power supply
Now, if you had meant and/or referred to recharging, as in, recharge faith which has become weak
or replacing, as in, replace faith which was lost, I would gladly agree with you

Believers get fired up by hearing and hearing by the word. Believers get charged up or recharged by hearing and hearing by the word

Believers are not powered by batteries. In fact, cant be, not by batteries, which when it runs low or down, needs recharging.

Believers are powered (i.e. anointed to do stuff) via the Holy Spirit.
When believers switch off, the Holy Spirit.is stopped from power flowing, when believers switch on, the Holy Spirit automatically transmits flow

What you superior1, don't want to admit, is that, believers need the power from above at all times.
Believers need it 24/7 in their all and every task or action, 24/7 in every talk, 24/7 in every thought and deed.
Without mincing words, wherever and in whatever believers find themselves, they need the constant power source connection and that is only possible if they are, all the time, plugged in.
Believers recharge faith but they dont recharge the Holy Spirit

Mark this too, renewing a right spirit within a believer(s) (i.e. born from above) is not infilling of the Holy Spirit or the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

superior1:
I can still recall enough elementary physics to do the talk like it appears you are full of...

Dont be shy, finish what you started and left with three dots unended. Full of what?

superior1:
folks like you are good at theories

SMH, this remark tasted sour and bitter. It and the subsequents are full of venom

superior1:
but I doubt if you have ever put them into work, any minister who operates and have operated under the anointing will only laugh at your Christian physics theory

Scoffers, right?
Well scoffers were active in the times of Jesus and since scoffers are yet extinct, so laughed at by scoffers over the ''Christian physics theory'' sic, is worth the trouble
We, all, will give account for all

superior1:
The kingdom of God is not in mere words or quoting drakes, bible concordance, Greek/Aramaic etc, those are stuffs we are done with, there are many unbelieving theologians who do that quite often. Our study at this stage is to get ourselves approved as a workman that needed not be ashamed, dividing the word with accuracy empathizing the integrity of the word with our lives, fruits and demonstration of power with visible signs and wonders.

SMH. Not much to say to this, except, as you retreat back into that world of fantasy and self-delusion, watch it brother, watch the swagger, because pride comes before a fall

superior1:
Whatever you chose to believe, I wish you well

Without adding the patronise in your well wish, almost wished you same you wished me
but opted out for wishing you a positive blessing

vooks:
I got banned yesterday by the spambot.

My belated sorry about the ban
but personally I think the spambot should have banned you longer, as I read a few knee jerk reactions, too many, in your post, however God knows best

vooks:
Whatever

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That ''whatever'' is classic,

''Ti a ba bu ounje sinu epo epa, eni ma yo, a yo''
which loosely means
''when food is served in groundnut pods, diners who will eat, enjoy the meal and be full will be''

and it was implying that food doesnt have to be dished and served on plates,
(i.e. which you were egging me to do via opening a new thread with your invite)
as when it is served on groundnut pods, there will be those who will eat out of the pods and at the end of it, not only eat one's fill but be full too.

I will now reply piece by piece your post

vooks:
I think we are saying close to the same thing.

Yes, it is correct when you think we are saying close to the same thing,
however, mind you, it is the sense of duty and the purpose found in Colossian 3:9 which tells us not to lie to each other
and also the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 which tells us to speak the truth in love which compelled me to comment on you saying believers recharge
So, for the record, it is ALWAYS in love that I react and write some truth(s) to counter the ''recharging'' misconception

vooks:
If you note, I was clear that the refilling is not a repeat of the previous experience but it is entirely new.

If you were clear that the refilling, is not a repeat of the previous experience but it is

entirely new
did you know and/or notice I never used ''refilling'' but had consciously used ''infilling''?

vooks:
So far be it from you to insinuate replenishing

So far be it from you claiming I insinuated replenishing. I had always made reference to ''flowing'' (i.e. as in inflow, infill upon making

Connection) and never suggested ''replenishing''
You know about the ''indwelling of the Holy Spirit'' and ''infilling of the Holy Spirit''? Right?

vooks:
That's the problem with analogies. They are never exact.

There is/are no problem(s) with using analogies.
Jesus used analogies quite a few number of times. Analogies shed light on or throw light on truths, analogies made understanding truths simple.
If analogies are good enough for Jesus, it is a good enough tool for use by me too. Biko, I make no apologies, if unable to acknowledge the truth from the analogies.

If you say analogies are never exact, you techically are right. This is why Jesus has more than one analogy or different analogies to describe the Kingdom of God.
Each analogy throws more on dimensions not shown on the other analogies
Remember when I used an analogy of the kids wearing oversize shoes and suits, then another about electrical appliances (e.g. iron, TV etcetera) plugged in, connected to the Mains and switched on. They compliment each other about the Holy Spirit being like an oversized worn dress or be a flowing current, giving power to what is connected to the Mains
Each analogy taking about the same thing and shedding more light, information & knowledge about the Holy Spirit subject where the other might be limited in offering

vooks:
The disciples filling of the Holy Spirit the second time manifested in boldness.
The first time it was tongues. Do you honestly think that on Pentecost the disciples LACKED capacity for receiving boldness, and they only stumbled into this sometimes in Acts 8 at which point they

lifted up their voices to heavens,and God filled them with boldness? Exactly what is 'space for boldness'? Fear?

If not, why didnt the disciples have the boldness, at the ''indwelling of the Holy

Spirit''
The ''infilling of the Holy Spirit'' of casts out fear, giving the capacity to receive boldness which is in the power of the ''infilling Holy Spirit''
Now there is you, going on thinking capacity means only space, volume or amount when apart from them lot, it means also ability, capability

When you connect your flat or house to the national grid (i.e. major or local NEPA or PHCN power stations), it powers your flat/house to your capacity
It powers your flat/house to the capacity of whatever electrical appliances you have present.
Also the electrical appliances wont come on unless they are plugged in to the sockets and switched on
It is the same amount of power that comes into your flat/house, that will come into my flat/house but it will be dispersed according to needed electrical equipments capacities
The power coming in is constant continual and ever present. We dont need to recharge the TV, the fridge freezer, the radio, the AC, the cooker, we just make sure that there are connected to the

Mains via a live socket and merely switch them on for use

vooks:
A more sensible way of looking at it is that before the threatenings, there was no need for boldness.
Once they were intimidated, they were cowered, and they ran to God seeking, not a way out as many are wont to but a way through; boldness. Boldness is a new dimension of filling with Holy Ghost

they had yet to experience.

Response to be continued...