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 Christianity Etc › Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 12:57am On Jul 22, 2016 |
holahmihdeh:I always try do my best holahmihdeh:SMH at this tangential remark holahmihdeh:Please dont be deceitful, because GoodMuyis would never accept that him typing ''M-uttley.Laff'' was a spelling mistake Dont insult the readership's intelligence holahmihdeh:I call what is practised by penterascals as false indoctrination You are an accomplice, if you deny that what is widely and currently practised in penterascal gathering as speaking in tongues is not false holahmihdeh:If God doesnt impose, and if the Holy Spirit is too much of a gentle person to impose so from whom would I have learnt imposing from? No not imposing, it is called exposing to the truth(s) holahmihdeh:The Holy Spirit teaches with an ever increasing measure yet will not teach one beyond what one is not ready to handle but it is amazing how the Holy Spirit responds to enthusiasm However, Proverbs 27:17 As iron sharpens iron, so a friend sharpens a friend, might be the catalyst for the Holy Spirit to intervene in the ''personal conviction'' and teach holahmihdeh:Whatever ''saucy'' tongue means to you, definitely isnt any of my repertoire holahmihdeh:Meow! Did someone pee in your cornflakes? ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit lorhun-lorhun In your dreams but if it makes you feel better, then in your figment of imagination, an ANTAGONIST of the Holy Spirit I am to you holahmihdeh:Pride. Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. Ignorance is your choice, as it can be difficult to come to terms with the truth. I know and understand The caveat, is that you've somewhat been exposed to the truth now and can no longer plead ignorance to its knowledge holahmihdeh:Yes, yes that what is currently uttered sit is false Dont be daft, how can it be me who gave him the mumbled, incoherent and unintelligible utterance It wasnt me and certainly wasnt God too holahmihdeh:You didnt read me saying anyone was annoyed If anyone wants to be annoyed, such can be my guest and have my go ahead holahmihdeh:That goes without asking Throw a rock into a marketplace, the one that cries out the loudest is usually the one that got hit. The struggle, reluctance and protest isnt surprising because all truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. holahmihdeh:When you read people posting and exposing you to things in the BIBLE, and you cant remember reading it like that, or if you dont understand what you are exposed to, then it is no use to bickering about their actions, just do the ''Philip & Ethiopian eunuch'' needful and ASK THEM TO SHOW IT, SHOW EVERYTHING & ALL TO YOU. All truths are easy to understand once they are exposed or discovered; the point is to discover them or be exposed to them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ holahmihdeh:SMH, pot calling kettle black. holahmihdeh:Yes, twas question asked out of curiousty I hate making assumptions. Him answering those questions will save me a whole lot of guesswork bother |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Does It Mean To Speak In Tongues? by MuttleyLaff: 11:13pm On Jul 20, 2016 |
blueAgent:The thing tire we ooo blueAgent:The fascinating eye-openers are knowing who were originally to benefit from speaking in tongue (i.e. speak in a foreign language) Why was it necessary to be speaking in tongue (i.e. speak in a foreign language) Why did Cornelius' household speak in tongue that without interpretation was understood by the present audience? What are the two common denominators in the case of tongue speaking on Pentecost and at Cornelius' household? The exhibits and evidences are clearly there on display... blueAgent:You havent seen unintelligent and unintelligible yet Do you know, one time ago, a certain lady penterascal had the nerve to try typing praying in tongues on Facebook? blueAgent:Also such people like coveting parts in the bible that arent theirs or necessarily is for them The Bible is a book of division, with parts to the relevant. and that is why the advice to: Study to show yourself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was My Spirit/soul When I Lost Consciousness? by MuttleyLaff: 2:00pm On Jul 18, 2016 |
HardMirror:Since you hadnt died, your soul wouldnt have to be anywhere or gone somewhere so when you were inactive for those 24 hours, your soul was still in this realm Saying it this way, your soul would have been in the same realm or vicinity where it always is whenever you sleep Your soul in your 24 hours inactive state had its consciousness suspended The consciousness suspension is similar to when you have a siesta, night or day sleep Also it's similar to those few seconds of unconsciousness, one experiences during a sexual climax HardMirror:Your remark is neither here nor there, because the fact remains, human beings are Spirit, Soul and Body The Soul and Body is animated by the Spirit (i.e. God's breath of life) The Spirit and Soul is housed in the Body. Animals have body and soul like human beings but no spirit Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being. - Genesis 2:7 NIV You turn your face and they are disturbed; you take their spirit and they die and return to their dust. - Psalm 104:29 “Thus says the Lord GOD to these bones, ‘Behold, I will cause breath to enter you that you may come to life - Ezekiel 37:5 Your soul is YOU, and it is the soul that sinneth that shall die (i.e. the soul that misses the mark, shall be destroyed) HardMirror:This is true, it will be the end, because there is no point of return after brain death, however this is an exception to biblical people who were raised back from the dead, such as the Shunammite woman’s son, Lazarus, Tabitha or Dorcas etcetera. They had no recollection of any sort of consciousness, whilst they were on the other side (i.e. Sheol) to share with the living, after returning back to the land of the living. They also were oblivious of activites happening on the land of the living, when they were on the other side (i.e. Sheol) Delusions in the 18th,19th, 20th and 21st centuries make out they arent subjected to this rule and as a result of that, majority of them usually have some NDE supposedly consciouness to share HardMirror:The organs coud be kept alive by using a life support machine or ventilator, the muscle however will waste away from prolonged inactivity or lack of mobility, when the body isn't periodically turned The function of the heart is to pump blood, moving it to supply oxygen, which has nutrients for various parts, nerve cells and organs of the body The brain is not you, it is part of you, it is part of who you are The brain is responsible for messaging, processing, signalling and coordinating all your sensation, intellectual, reasoning, nervous etcetera activities HardMirror:No surprises here, reiterating, the blankness is normal as your consciousness was suspended when your soul drifted into a 24 hours state of inactivity Point of correction, there is no consciousness of time when ones sleeps. You are conscious of time when awake, but not when sleeping People from being manhandled and roughened up have been woken up from deep sleep, only for the sleeping person to deny being aware they were woken up. They at times would have opened their eyes and stared at person waking them up but whatever the eyes is seeing and brain is registering, isnt take in at all by the sleepy person When the now but woken up, formerly sleepy person is told, they opened their eyes, raised themselves up from the bed and even talked back to person stirring them up from sleep, The now woken up,formerly sleeping person's usual reply is a '' I didnt know I did all that or I never knew I did all those'' answer No memory, not even a blur recollection of events, happenings or time, but it is always a case of a big fat drawn blank oblivion whenever one sleeps |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 1:28pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
GoodMuyis:https://i57.tinypic.com/34sp9j4.gif Sir, ''... start replying to M-uttley.Laff'' is extraordinarily different to ''start replying to MuttleyLaff'' The dash (i.e. - ) and dot (i.e. .) you inserted changes completely MuttleyLaff and there is no way it will flag up as a mention for me to notice Why would you have to modify my moniker with the dash and dot, if not that you want to post about MuttleyLaff under a radar without being detected MuttleyLaff is the moniker and not your adulterated M-uttley.Laff version GoodMuyis:You didnt have to feel you would be intruding because obviously I had already involved you when at the very beginning, I mentioned you among others, whom I noticed had responded to JMG1's quest in wanting SERIOUS clarification about the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues GoodMuyis:Things werent derailing the thread. Did you not read JMG1 and holahmihdeh, ungraciously declining, when I made the effort to take the discourse elsewhere, as in, off the thread, ''outside'' GoodMuyis:I can tell, you do crave for the gift, but please oblige me, for what purpose exactly do you desire Speaking in Tongue and interpretation for and/or why do you really so desire the gift? GoodMuyis:You neednt have to flow to anything because there was no class and it was no lesson. My posts on were mere disclosures and surprising facts on Speaking in Tongue and interpretation Technique or no technique but did you question any of your phantom ambiguity(ies)? GoodMuyis:My role on the thread was not that of a teacher, again I did not teach, but gave JMG1 a long and detailed period of questioning JMG1 took well, he was doing well until he buckled under more lines of questioning and then switched from Dr Jekyll to Mr Hyde on me Usually am not one to give up easily but at a particular point, I said to JMG1: I haven't even started yet. I couldn't because we didn't get to start because questions I posed and about to pose to you were left inadequately answered, if at all any attempts were made to answer them. It is until after you've answered the question(s) that sequential ones will be asked you. Everything I asked you about is Bible based and will be bible backed, which is why I need honest answers or "I don't know" answers. When I counter give the answers then do a Berean with it GoodMuyis:https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen- angels/101#44552120 https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44582564 Revisit the above links to review how appreciations was given to the responses made It is by questioning we arrive at the truth. Again, you fail to accept that, wrong answers to questions asked, werent intended or planned to be corrected on that threa GoodMuyis:My role on the thread a The problem on that thread was that someone shouldnt have asked for the truth, if such wasnt ready for it It was the truth that ended whatever relationship we had on that thread, I mentioned the bitter truth but many people didnt want to hear it Who said I was teaching on that thread. My role wasnt teaching. I didnt teach nor did I get to a point to explain anything yet. My role on the thread wasnt teaching, if you review the below links, you will notice that I merely was gradually exposing JMG1 to a few facts and truths using series of open, closed, probing, leading questionings https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44552120 https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44582564 GoodMuyis:If I know you can handle the truth, I give and tell you the truth, straight up. For most of the times, I dont spoon-feed or give outright answers on a silver platter just like that because truth wasnt handed to me on a platter but rather via 2 Timothy 2:15 (i.e. approved unashamed workman rightly dividing the word of truth) and Acts 17:11 (i.e. Berean study) When I go by, what you termed ''by your method'', this is done to gauge any on the other sides, understanding of a subject and pin down where exactly they have lapses of understanding on the subject ''by your method'' is trying to stir up thinking for themselves, using the questionings, until arriving by themselves, at that face-palm golden moment of sudden realization of the truth If not everyone can take it, then, is it that difficult to say: I dont know That is all that is simply needed, to move on, just: I dont know Now there is this other adage in Yoruba that says: ''Ti oogun eni ba dani loju, a ma nfi gba ori'', so if you sincerely and truly believe in becoming wiser (i.e. making right decisions, words, comments, remarks etctera, at right time, and att God's right side) and also believe that: ''knowledge is enlightenment'' (i.e. information that sheds light brings CHANGE) then I give you the same offer JMG1 & holahmihdeh threw back in my face after trampling on it My sweet darling brother you can report back here the outcome of our discussion Trust me , it will be a John 8:32: Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free. GoodMuyis:ROTBL, SMH, with this kind of remark and unjustly backing it up with this verse, you really expect the truth be told, straight up, just like that I remember, before my another mention of your moniker, asking JMG1 series of questions about why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur etcetera Permit me to reproduce some below: 1) Do you know that ''speaking in tongues'' or ''speak with other tongues'' as in the Bible IS NOT THE SAME AS what is widespread and generally accepted today to be? 2) Do you know why it was necessary that speaking with other tongues should occur when it occurred X amount times in the Bible? 3) Do you know what was the primary objective or goal for the time(s) that speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible? 4) Do you know when speaking with other tongues occurred in the Bible who it was aimed at or meant for? 7) According to GoodMuyis, three years after her conversion, his late Aunt was firing praying tongue, now with best efforts, give a demonstration, explanation and example of ''if I pray in a tongue'' as in 1 Corinthians 14:14a above Taken from: https://www.nairaland.com/2705292/seeing-demons-angels-fallen-angels/101#44552120 Gombs take note |
| Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Prophecy On Saudi Arabia Comes True by MuttleyLaff: 1:28pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
petra1:https://s32.postimg.org/m6plb8iz9/Wolf_In_Sheeps_Clothing.jpg SMH. To what end will my definition of a false prophet serve you, hmm? OK, to placate you, it is one who falsely claims the gift of prophecy or divine inspiration. The bible believes that in the end times, they come in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. - 2 Timothy 4:3 NIV |
| Christianity Etc › Re: How We've Been Praying The Wrong Way All This Time by MuttleyLaff: 10:50am On Jul 17, 2016*. Modified: 12:32pm On Jul 17, 2016 |
tyconcepts:The ANYTHING in that sentence, is a hyperbole because in the real sense, you're to ask for anything within reason, ask for anything within your remit If you ask the wrong thing, ask the wrong way, ask the wrong side of God, ask the wrong time, ask the whatever left not mentioned and you'll be a long time waiting for request to be grant Sukkot is not an attention seeker but a bohemian tyconcepts:Prayer is the key, not faith Faith is part of all the ingredients Faith is part of a whole lot of other dynamics of getting prayers answered tyconcepts: tyconcepts:Praying hard, having the biggest faith and zero doubts, wont stop you obeying the law of gravity, jumping of a tall storey building without a parachute Click on a wrong part of any Nairaland page, hoping for a page load, is pointless Such action of clicking or typing on a wrong section, of any Nairaland page is incapable of producing any useful result because Seun (i.e. the god of Nairaland) hadnt coded anything to that section of the page to respond, obey or react to STFUareyouG0d says below: Not all prayers are answered Luke 18:1, Jesus teaches that men always ought to pray and not lose heart This within reason, ask within your remit Pray not the wrong thing, pray not the wrong way, pray not the wrong side of God, pray not at the wrong time, in short, be 24/7 in communication with God without wavering 2 Likes 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Invitation by MuttleyLaff: 7:39am On Jul 10, 2016*. Modified: 8:31am On Jul 10, 2016 |
GoodMuyis:I am just aware of this posting, and I missed noticing the thread earlier than now because GoodMuyis bastardised my ID by adding - and . punctuations to it Wonders never cease! If GoodMuyis didn't sneakily bastardise the other holahmihdeh and JMG1 IDs mentioned in his post, why I wonder did he had the need to sneakily bastardise my ID? GoodMuyis:Point of correction, it was the topic of speaking in tongues (i.e. the gift of speaking in a foreign human language) that was made into a drilling exercise by the Brother and not the topic of Holy Ghost Nothing worth it's worth is found picked from the surface. Diamonds, gold, oil etcetera come about from drilling exercises My mention of the Holy Ghost was about the ever-increasing measure and you-never-can-get-enough-of-it nature of the Holy Ghost. This then spilled into JMG1's self-interest about speaking in tongues (i.e. the gift of speaking in a foreign human language) The drilling questions were asked, so as to slowly and steadily chip away, piece by piece, the layers of misunderstanding and years of this particular false indoctrination Afterall, Gandhi at one time about truth, said that: Truth is by nature self-evident. As soon as you remove the cobwebs of ignorance that surround it, it shines clear. At times, I dont spoon-feed or give outright answers on a platter, as my aim to whomsover is being grilled/drilled is to think for themselves You can't solve a speaking-in-tongue problems with the same thinking you used when you created them The lead on from one question(s) to another is to steer towards re-thinking to a point of having an I-get-it-light-bulb moment JMG1 did an Agrippa-to-Paul- Almost-thou-persuadest-me version on me and baulked when he wrote: Thank God am a born again Christian filled with the Holy Spirit, if not I'll have started thinking you were right about me speaking nonsense. Infact I almost believed you... Some facts I shared in another recent thread shown below, has some of the answers I was expecting to hear, as responses to the posed drilling questions given to JMG1 & holahmihdeh on that thread https://www.nairaland.com/3203214/what-does-it-mean-speak#47182013 Presenting and exposing some people to the truth almost never changes their minds, in fact, it can do just the opposite. This was proven right on that thread as we had the two major protagonists on the speaking in tongues matter showing defiance by responding defensively to this widely held and false belief of speaking in tongue (i.e. their wrong idea and thinking of speaking in a foreign human language) MuttleyLaff: Gombs:https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/33#46953599 Notice Gombs above goading me on another thread over my time given on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread but because wisdom prevailed, I didnt in a retaliatory manner gung ho respond to his veiled provocation ROTBL, holahmihdeh, on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread, even had the audacity of making a shameless throw away comment that I had copied and pasted. SMH, possibly accusing one of something she frequently does Sometimes silence is more powerful than having the last word and that is what happened on the "Seeing Demons, Angels, Fallen Angels, Spirits" thread Allowed the two protagonists to have the last word over the issue of speaking in tongue and wallow in their ignorance GoodMuyis:Colossian 3:9 telling us not to lie to each other and the instructive in Ephesian 4:15 telling us to speak the truth in love, is what encouraged me to comment on the OP saying believers recharge etcetera and to counter the ''recharging'' misconception, so GoodMuyis none and/or no one should be annoyed. Tough love is part and parcel of loving one another especially when people mistake confidence for ''trait of arrogance'' as my sweet darling brother JMG1 once put it and are obstinate in misinterpreting a simple bible phenomenon or being very wrong for a long time in still misunderstanding it The truth is incontrovertible; malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. - Winston Churchill cc blueAgent 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: TB Joshua Prophecy On Saudi Arabia Comes True by MuttleyLaff: 7:36am On Jul 10, 2016 |
petra1:And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many - Matthew 24:11 KJV For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect - Matthew 24:24 KJV |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Churches In China Forced To Surrender Tithes And Offerings To Government by MuttleyLaff: 11:04pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
petra1:Do you accept that, it is not right, in the sight of God, to frighten with a curse, to force, to scare etcetera believers in Jesus Christ and the Gospel to pay tithe and offering? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by MuttleyLaff: 10:50pm On Jul 05, 2016 |
Gombs:You simply just caught Image123 going through one of his indifference moments, that's all and so shouldnt have had to form humble on him with this post nor waste away the ''Have a great day sir'' nicety on him 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by MuttleyLaff: 10:50pm On Jul 05, 2016*. Modified: 11:39pm On Jul 05, 2016 |
Image123:I cannot believe reading you too making another generalised remark in this manner and especially an unguarded one in regards to thinking What were you thinking or werent thinking, pun not intended Maybe you meant doing thinking a wrong way or going about thinking the wrong way, hardly helps progress in spiritual matters An unthinking person believes everything, but the prudent one thinks before acting - Proverbs 14:15 ISV Apart from Proverbs 14:15 above, God in Joshua 1:8, advises Joshua to mediate (i.e. think deeply) on ''spiritual matters'' King David in Psalm 119:15, said he mediates (i.e. reflects or thinks) on God's guiding principles and studies His ways In Psalm 119:97, King David says, he so much love God's instructions he thinks about them all day long. Does anyone discuss, argue or reason without thinking? Thinking is acceptable, allowable, permitted or tolerable. God in Isaiah 1:18, throws down the gauntlet with an invitation to THINK The bible in Proverbs 4:5, says, get wisdom (i.e. get skillful at making good and right decisions), get understanding (i.e know the why, the how, the when etc) Further on the bible persist in talking about wisdom, again, in Proverbs 4:7 that, wisdom is the principal thing (i.e. the summit); therefore get wisdom: and with all your getting get understanding What can wisdom be if not something borne out from sensible or wise thinking How does one make considered decisions over matters or come to sensible conclusions over issues, if not by, after or from thinking Dead or alive, (i.e. dead in a parable or alive on earth) thinking of some or any sort is done Now Image, if what you were on about is that, foolish thinking hardly helps progress in spiritual matters, then I am 120% gidigba-no-shaking with and behind you If the bible in 1 Thessalonians 5:21 says, prove all things and hold fast that which is good then how you'll going to prove things without critical thoughts about them Am sure Image123, you arent one of those who associate enquiring minds' investigative and/or critical thinking with skepticism and criticism 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by MuttleyLaff: 1:18pm On Jul 05, 2016*. Modified: 1:56pm On Jul 05, 2016 |
Gombs:The Bible is very clear of what sin(s) will bring forsaking about Gombs:Yep, add sin against the Holy Spirit too to this Gombs:Let's not be deceived, God's isnt waiting to catch us do wrong, then be keeping record of it, waiting for pay back time God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man sows, that shall he also reap (i.e. cause and effect) Gombs:You dont want to know who kill, steal and destroy is really all about? That snippet from John 10:10 and the verse's context certainly wasnt talking about the devil? Gombs:ROTBL, I guess you means this in a generalised manner that ''God isn't bothered about sin'' God is big time bothered about sin. This whole sin issue existed before Adam. Sin is a necessary evil allowed in Man's world for a greater good to come about. God has promised that in the fullness of time, sin will be no more https://s32.postimg.org/4eig85or9/eternal_Security.jpg OP, petra1 asked: Can a christian lose salvation by committing a sin Reply to question was: Yes according to Mark 3:28-29 and Matthew 12:31-32 particularly when it comes to missing the mark with the Holy Spirit (i.e. sinning against the Holy Spirit) 28“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin'' - Mark 3:28-29 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. - Matthew 12:31-32 Lets sizzle this thread up a bit, and with one or two conundrums, make it a little bit more exciting It is on record that Judas and Peter, both, committed a sin of betrayal or denial Would any of both be found guilty of an eternal sin? Would any of them not be forgiven, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What Does It Mean To Speak In Tongues? by MuttleyLaff: 12:56am On Jul 04, 2016*. Modified: 8:45am On Jul 04, 2016 |
[size=3pt]Gombs - LOL ooo ybɒɘɿ ƨi booʇ ubudO ʇo idO[/size] ministeriallist:You have every legitimate reason to be surprised because the way speaking in tongues is being done today - church folk, 21st century believers uttering unintelligible words is bable, confused noise made by a number of voices This is not speaking in tongues (i.e. not speaking in a foreign language) but is mere babbling by unintelligible utterraces It is the end time deception of the demonic spirit in Rev 16:13-14, symbolised as three unclean spirits that looked like frogs And how do frogs catch their prey? Yes, using tongues to snare believers with their false speaking in tongues deception ministeriallist:To speak in tongues means audibly saying something out or make sounds with your voice to express your thoughts and feelings in a structured, conventional, intelligible and understandable way Speak in tongues is language (i.e. tongues of man=human language) and has the same meaning with mother tongue, native tongue, dialect, vernacular etcetera For example, you can speak in vernacular, can speak in your local dialect, might speak in a native tongue or speak in your mother tongue Dottore:There is a time and a place for everything. Also there is always a reason for everything that happens or why it does not happen Things do happen for a reason and what took place in Acts Chapter 2 happened importantly because of Acts 2:5 Place Acts 2:5 close together with Matthew 10:5-6, Matthew 15:24, Romans 1:16, especially for a comparison or contrast effect 1 Corinthians 14:22 confirms that, what took place in Acts Chapter 2, was for the benefit of any unbelieving Jews at Acts 2:5 The Jews (i.e. all adult Jewish men) thousands of them from different nations dispersed to or from where they are scattered to, would travel to Jerusalem for this pilgrim festival called Feast of Weeks or Pentecost to celebrate the giving of the Law to Moses at Mount Sinai What took place in Acts Chapter 2, was for the benefit of the lot in Acts 2:5 and nothing to do for and/or with the lot in John 10:16 Dottore:ROTBL. You havent heard anything yet, you will fall off the chair if you are shown ''praying in tongues'' typed on Facebook Dottore:Yes, absolutely, and it was apart from being a sign, was for the benefit of the unbelieving lost tribe of Israel pilgrim to the festival, who incidentally were always at the top of Jesus' list of priorities. Dottore:What has born again got to do with speaking in a different language If you see the Kingdom of God, then you are born again. Please carefully revisit John 3:1-15 (i.e. the conversation between Nichodemus and Jesus) to get the low-down on born again Flexherbal:No. Haba Chief, you've turned 1 Corinthians 14:2 on its head ooo For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries - 1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV Here is an illustration of what 1 Corinthians 14:2 is saying: If you speak and understand only Ibo, but I, bilingual in Ibo and Hausa, start to speak, preach or pray in Hausa Then the Hausa tongue or language would be unknown to you, you wouldnt understand what I said, preached or prayed in Hausa I wouldnt be communicating with/to you, as it all be mysteries to you what I said, preached or prayed in Hausa Only God will understand what I said, preached or prayed in Hausa, not you, as God understands all languages or tongues ministeriallist:Yep if it was me I'll seriously go brush up my Bible, Acts Chapter 2 and all, to prevent truth decay shadeyinka:I throwe salute ooo but Glossa and Dialectos are interchangeable words because they literally mean the same thing (i.e. means language) Anyway, one is not even meant to continue speaking in tongues if there are no interpretations or audience that understands what are being said, as the main reason for speaking in tongue or in a foreign language, is a sign, not for believers (i.e. sign not for church people) but for unbelievers (e.g. for atheists, agnostic, pagan etcetera) shadeyinka:What took place in Acts 2, was the Apostles were actually speaking in the individual languages or dialects of the visiting Jews and each of the pilgrim Jews present, without need of interpretation, heard and understood the preaching shadeyinka:It's so infrequent because it's original and primary purpose was for the benefit of the unbelieving lost sheep of Israel at Acts 2:5 and elsewhere before it got passed down to the church 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Bible Scholars Lets Discuss Eternal Security by MuttleyLaff: 4:33am On Jul 03, 2016*. Modified: 7:33pm On Jul 03, 2016 |
petra1:Yes, there is such thing as eternal security. It is also known as eternal life petra1:It a crowning moment, and happens at the end or completion of the following: #1 saved, #2 being saved and #3 hope to be saved https://s31.postimg.org/w25moseiz/eternal_Security.jpg #1 saved as in: For God says, "At just the right time, I heard you. On the day of salvation, I helped you." Indeed, the "right time" is now. Today is the day of salvation - 2 Corinthians 6:2 NLT We were given this hope when we were saved. (If we already have something, we don't need to hope for it. - Romans 8:24 NLT that even though we were dead because of our sins, he gave us life when he raised Christ from the dead. (It is only by God's grace that you have been saved!) - Ephesians 2:5 NLT #2 being saved as in: Our lives are a Christ-like fragrance rising up to God. But this fragrance is perceived differently by those who are being saved and by those who are perishing. - 2 Corinthians 2:15 NLT and #3 hope to be saved as in: 9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. 10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life - Romans 5:9-10 11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble; 13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. 14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. 15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. - 1 Corinthians 3:11-15 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. - Philippians 2:12 KJV petra1:Sin means missing the mark. Everyone, believers inclusive, now and/or then do miss the mark hence can and/or do sin petra1:Yes, though saved, if such, without safely reaching the shore or harbor, due to sea sickness etcetera, jumps off a ship whilst being saved, then such would lose salvation, lose being saved and dash away any hope to be saved once reaching the shore or harbor petra1:Yes particularly when it comes to missing the mark with the Holy Spirit (i.e. sinning against the Holy Spirit) 28“Truly I say to you, all sins shall be forgiven the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter; 29but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin'' - Mark 3:28-29 31Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. 32And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. - Matthew 12:31-32 petra1:This depends on how born again is used in this question. If used, as a verb, then possibly and potentially more than one time If it is used, as an adjective, in a similar way as Jesus did, then all it takes is one time only 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 9:20pm On Jun 26, 2016*. Modified: 8:38am On Jun 27, 2016 |
openmine:I hail you jaare. Pillar to post indeed and their weak diversionary tactic attempts Looks like you know Joagbaje and Gombs a whole deal more than I thought I did openmine:Well he said Tithes And Offerings are Eternal Principles but OP never gave an explanation or responded to Goshen360 asking:When you say "eternal principles", what does that mean? Him and his lackey Gombs wont accept that tithe and offering are eternal principles, comparable to and just as the law of gravity is an eternal principle They dont want to see that, giving is an eternal principle too, comparable to the law of aerodynamics, another eternal principle like the law of gravity Are not agreeing that the principle of giving and the law of aerodynamics are not just run-of-the-mill eternal principles but they are better eternal principles than tithe, offering and the law of gravity are and this why the principle of giving superseded tithe and offering principles This is why there is no where in the Bible it is found Jesus or Paul calling whatever the believers give or are to give tithe or offering Tithe and/or offering, deliberately are not words used in any of the original text when talking about the believers' giving and/or collection One or two religiously motivated and ulterior motive bible translations (e.g. TLP etcetera) have doctored original texts by inserting offering into their translation versions, in order to falsify the original content and deceive unsuspecting congregation for unclean personal gain or filthy lucre What Joagbaje and Gombs dont want hear and accept is that giving, another eternal kingdom principle, has taken over, has taken the place of the old and no longer useful tithe and/or offering principles Also Joagbaje and Gombs dont want hear and dont want to accept that the action or state of forcing or being forced to give tithe or do offering has been replaced with the principle of giving Principle of giving, as meaning, freely transfering the possession of something or anything to someone, another or anyone without compulsion, manipulation or need of using curse or scare tactics and false information Principle of giving is an easy and simpler doctrine to teach The principle of giving, unlike the tithe & offering principles, has no hang-ups, it doesnt give anyone nightmares nor anxiety from not giving The principle of giving, unlike the tithe & offering principles, it doesnt give you cause to feel worried, afraid, scared, frightened or embarrassed from not giving The principle of giving for the believer has no penalties. If you give, dey-dey, if you no give, dey-dey, God no dey vex The principle of giving is a narrow gate, only few ever recognise or find it's narrow gate and this mainly because the principle of giving is often misunderstood. For some like Joagbaje and Gombs, if or when the principle of giving's narrow gate is found, indoctrination makes it impossible to approach the gate. For another lot, even if switched into, find it difficult to stay on the principle of giving road, so they exit to return back to the tithe & offering principles highway wide gate. Just because the principle of giving path isnt always understandable, doesnt mean it is not a better and right path than the tithe & offering principle' highway Avoid the tithe & offering principles highway with its gate that is wide for the Joagbaje and Gombs many who choose it's way Exercise faith, by coming off this tithe & offering principles worn and beaten track for the principle of giving narrow gate The tithe & offering principles have a gravitational pull and the properties to weigh down anyone clinging to or embracing them but the principle of giving cancels out all gravitational pull, lifts you on to great heights, allowing you to soar. So like the Wright brothers, did with the law of aerodynamics, dont be afraid to take unaccustomed paths, such as one like the principle of giving path, a right path approved by God, because it's always right unaccustomed paths that takes one to the best and high places 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 10:12am On Jun 26, 2016 |
Gombs:Write what you like in abuse of me but I know you're smart enough to know it has nothing to do with finally summoning spine to write I am never at loss for a response. I had 99% of all those already written up but never got to allocating time to publish them My confidence is silent, it's your insecurities that are loud Goshen360 earlier told you he doesnt have your time, I too, am very protective of my time, and prefer to prioritise what I used my time for Sorry, posting rebuts on this thread obviously is at the bottom of the pecking order Gombs:https://s31.postimg.org/598wew1q3/Gomb_Like_This.jpg 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 8:21am On Jun 26, 2016 |
Joagbaje:SMH. There's nothing quite like seeing a tool, behaving as expected, posting a silly remark as one like this and mistaking my silence for weakness or lack of courage If you havent and dont understand my words, am not surprised you dont understand the intermission and silence Next time, try ''Hmmm finally found time and/or a suitable period to publish a rebut'' Joagbaje:Yep will be nice and will be with great delight to have your self-conceited person for breakfast, lick, chew and crunch the bones before spitting them out 2 Likes |
| Politics › Re: Princess Aderemi Adebowale Packs Refuse In Lagos This Morning by MuttleyLaff: 11:44pm On Jun 25, 2016 |
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| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 10:08pm On Jun 25, 2016 |
Gombs:https://s32.postimg.org/iu8v5e1et/Two_Rabbits.pnghttps://s32.postimg.org/ymw8bz2xt/Chase_Rabbit.gifhttps://s32.postimg.org/u2a1x1j8h/Chase2rabbits.jpg Wish I could rip this post to shreds but wisdom prevails About Goshen360, ''ẹjẹ lo nrun'', as he is my brother from another mother, that is why we say same (i.e. write and |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 9:46pm On Jun 25, 2016*. Modified: 10:07pm On Jun 25, 2016 |
Joagbaje:SMH. What would cause anyone to want to avoid information? Information overload is always the main challenge for the learning fear, knowledge fear or wisdom fear anyway Joagbaje:Please be fair and honest brother, tell the truth and put the devil to shame Did I make a big deal out of ''just that'' brother? No, I asked that you compare and contrast your 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) with my 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) adding that only God knows why and how you managed to doctor in a non-existent offering wording, into that 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT) verse. before SMH, saying you tried, and shifting my heinie for you I made ''a big deal out of'' other things with you in that post, exposing you to a few incontrovertible truths, like: #1 You better start accepting that, no where in the Bible does Jesus or Paul call whatever the believers give, offering. Now, you saved your hide by not trying to sought solace or comfort in Acts 24:17 #2 Please reproduce all translations of 2 Corinthians 9:2 or any other translations of 2 Corinthians 9:2 with offering in the verse #3 Recognise that the bible is a book of divisions It is a book of divisions because it has different parts for different people, like for the Jew (i.e. Israelites) for the Gentile and to the Church ( i.e. the called out ones) There are some parts in the bible where it speaks only to the Jew (i.e. Israelites) and it wasnt speaking to the Gentile and vice versa there are equally some other parts in the bible, where it specifically speaks to the Gentile and it wasn't speaking to the Church etcetera and vice versa #4 What I am trying to get across here simply is this. DON'T COVET, ''ma fẹjumọ ọrọ ọlọrọ'', especially parts of the Bible, like those part(s) belonging to another #5 21st century believers have been indoctrinated to covet verses such as like these abandoned tithe or offering principles, like coveting passages not talking to them but was talking to others Such bad and misled behaviours are damaging and detriment to a believer enjoying fulfilment based on better principles established in charis (i.e. grace), generosity, altruism, agape and others found in Galatian 5:22-23 # Lastly made a big deal about, wondering, if the Wright brothers were fantastically bought into the law of gravity eternal principle so much as to refuse appreciating or acknowledging the law of aerodynamics which is not only just another eternal principle but is a better one, taking anyone seizing the opportunity & who doesnt want to remain grounded to heights (no pun was intended), would Pastor Chris Oyakhilome have arrived London in a private jet, receive red carpet red suited guards of honour presidential welcome at an airport with a rolls royce to pick him up Joagbaje:https://s31.postimg.org/cypg8llcb/1_Corinthians_16_2.jpg This immediately above screen grab, is the Greek-English interlinear New Testament 1 Corinthians 16:2 Berean Literal Bible The λογεῖαι (i.e. money gave) is called collection and not offering. It speaks volumes brother. Joagbaje:Waiting with baited breath, seriously though cant wait for us to get there Joagbaje:When we have the true information about the original texts there is no need to check any reference ''offerring'' sic, and I am beatifully glad you put ''offering'' in double quotes Joagbaje:This is New Testament 101, it is not ''revelation'' You can't see the wood for the trees, please clear the phantoms in the head, grasp reality and stop being a drowning man grasping at straws I do not have to destroy or rubbish your phantom evidence, because the facts speak for themselves. If money is needed, arrange or call for a giving or collection, do not hide under the cloak of tithe and/or offering which is a pretense |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 9:27pm On Jun 05, 2016*. Modified: 9:47pm On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Yes really, no not just really but a 120% really and not with your fabricated 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) evidence because this below is what Paul with a 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT) actually says: On the first day of each week, you should each put aside a portion of the money you have earned. Don't wait until I get there and then try to collect it all at once - 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT) Compare and contrast your 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) with my 1 Corinthians 16:2 (NLT) Only God knows why and how you managed to doctor in a non-existent offering wording, into that 1 Corinthians 16:2 New Living Translation (NLT) verse. SMH, you try, I shift my heinie for you Joagbaje:Of course really again now. Are you surprised? You better start accepting that no where in the Bible does Jesus or Paul call whatever the believers give offering Now, you saved your hide by not trying to sought solace or comfort in Acts 24:17 Oya, please reproduce all translations of 2 Corinthians 9:2 or any other translations of 2 Corinthians 9:2 with offering in the verse Joagbaje:SMH superficial and non-serious remarks like this is an indictment of biblical literacy Joagbaje:This thread was opened with a misguided ''Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles'' title and the original post kicked off with a misapprehension of Galatians 3:7 and put it to a wrong use when aligned with a teasing and poor taste ''many posters and tithers have deeper understanding of these things better now. . . To be continued in a moment'' remark How I wish and pray you take to your own words about ''avoid redefinition of words to suit theology'' in your last sentence You would be a wiser person, taking the right choice, at the right time and still be at God's right side, if you do Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 2 Timothy 2:15 is referenced above because I want it to be recognised that the bible is a book of divisions It is a book of divisions because it has different parts for different people, like for the Jew (i.e. Israelites) for the Gentile and to the Church ( i.e. the called out ones) There are some parts in the bible where it speaks only to the Jew (i.e. Israelites) and it wasnt speaking to the Gentile and vice versa there are equally some other parts in the bible, where it specifically speaks to the Gentile and it wasn't speaking to the Church etcetera and vice versa What I am trying to get across here simply is this. Dont covet, ma fejumo oro oloro, especially parts of the Bible, like those something(s) belonging to another 21st century believers have been indoctrinated to covet verses such as like these abandoned tithe or offering principles, like coveting passages not talking to them but was talking to others Such bad and misled behaviours are damaging and detriment to a believer enjoying fulfilment based on better principles established in charis (i.e. grace), generosity, altruism, agape and others found in Galatian 5:22-23 https://s33.postimg.org/c12yz2wlb/Chris_Jet.gif I wonder if Pastor Chris Oyakhilome would have arrived London in a private jet, receive red carpet red suited guards of honour presidential welcome at an airport with a rolls royce to pick him up, if the Wright brothers were fantastically bought into the law of gravity eternal principle so much as to refuse appreciating or acknowledging the law of aerodynamics which is not only just another eternal principle but is a better one, taking anyone seizing the opportunity & who doesnt want to remain grounded to heights (no pun was intended) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 3:15pm On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Of course and importantly, the word offering, from Abel to Cain, from Abraham to the Widow at Zarephath, back to back, has always being about or had to do with agricultural produce only (e.g. animals, crops, food or a son) with the exception of the Israelites' trespassing offering, where restitution is not only done but includes adding 20% of the original value in silver money to the offering for violation or trespassing done. You've have so far been careful but if this thread was opened up for an entitlement to money under the guise of tithe and offering you will soon make a slip, be found out and be betrayed by it Accept the reality that altruistic action or to give, is what Jesus preached and cheerful giving or collection without compulsion, is what Paul preached No where in the Bible does Jesus or Paul call whatever the believers give offering If money is needed, simply ask people to give, teach them on the principle of giving or just arrange for a collection |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 1:07pm On Jun 05, 2016*. Modified: 2:03pm On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje: MuttleyLaff: Joagbaje:Why say wrong? Joagbaje:And what kind of offering is this? What is this ''whatever-you-offer-God-is-an-offering'' called? We know that the Israelites, where commanded to give tithe and when, where and if applicable, were explicitly asked to do offering(s) but nothing of such compulsion is required from believers than to freely give without being under duress Lets call a spade a spade. Whatever believers ''offer'' is not called offering but is simply called giving or collection |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 10:07am On Jun 05, 2016*. Modified: 12:02pm On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Offering was a habitual practice done by the Israelites, it primarily involved agricultural produce (e.g. animal and food) as money was never exchanged except for when it is a trespass offering, and that is where restitution is not only done but includes adding 20% of the ''holy thing's'' or the ''neighbor property's'' original value in silver money for violating it or trespassing against it That historically in a sentence, is what offering is. Capisce 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 6:55am On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje:It was served you as a FYI in order to show that offering is now give, giving or collection Joagbaje:Honestly I had already written about what offering is in one sentence and in more than one ocassion. Again in God's greater grander or overall scheme of things, believers, rise above with another principle which by no accident is better, higher and worked out in conformity with the purpose of God's plan. God has simplified things for us now and replaced all those various kinds of offerings practised by the Israelites with single plain outright giving Jesus, Paul et al, when addressing the people, except for the Pharisees, never encouraged tithing or offering but were always harping on give, giving or collection They chose their words right and correctly, as they were deliberate and careful not to use words like tithing or offering to the people but instead used give, giving or collection Man does not do offering as was practised by the Israelites or have to put a name to an offering as was practised by the Israelites because Man has come of age and so now worships God with à la no frills give, giving or collection only |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 12:28am On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Now, go ahead and tell me I havent already given the low-down on offering, the various kinds etcetera. Though you prevaricate, duck and dive when asked pointed questions, you can redeem yourself by finding out what an offering is, answer the pointed questions asked you from going back to: https://www.nairaland.com/1456343/tithes-offerings-eternal-principles/32#46256384 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 6:53am On Jun 04, 2016*. Modified: 12:48pm On Jun 05, 2016 |
Joagbaje:This is an obstinate, a ''refuse to think deep enough'' or an unaware remark It is a remark stemming from an underlined suggestion that because gravity is already a principle in God's scheme of things, we don't need aerodynamics to add to gravity. SMH In God's greater grander or overall scheme of things, believers, rise above with another principle which by no accident is better, higher and worked out in conformity with the purpose of God's plan. Joagbaje:The Bible, Jesus. Paul and others teaches that believers giving is an act of worship. God has simplified things for us now and replaced all those various kinds of offerings practised by the Israelites with single plain outright giving Jesus, Paul et al, when addressing the people, except for the Pharisees, never encouraged tithing or offering but were always harping on give, giving or collection They chose their words right and correctly, as they were deliberate and careful not to use words like tithing or offering to the people but instead used give, giving or collection Man does not do offering as was practised by the Israelites or have to put a name to an offering as was practised by the Israelites because Man has come of age and so now worships God with à la no frills give, giving or collection only Joagbaje:And what kind of offering is this? What is this whatever-you-offer-God offering called? Lets call a spade a spade. Whatever believers ''offer'' is not called offering but is simply called giving or collection Offering as was practised by the Israelites involved agricultural produce e.g. animal and food. Money didnt exchange hands except only and particularly with trespass offering Do you do burnt offering/ordination (or cereal and grain) offering, the meal offering/the drink offering, the peace offering/freewill (or vow, wave and thanksgiving) offering, the sin offering or the trespass offering like the Israelites used to do? No, you don't and/or can't do any of them, and that is because these are well defined and tagged offerings which exclusively fell within the remit of the Israelites, formerly practised by them alone, based on and because of the Levitical law(s) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 6:53am On Jun 04, 2016 |
brocab:Haba Chief, kilode, it hasnt come to ''If-you-don't-like-the-support-It's-ok'' now There was my mention in that remark, and though I responded to it, I wasn't actually sure who it was addressed to, that is why out of curiousty and without animosity I asked who it was addressed to Welcome aboard. The more the merrier against all these tithe and offering misconceptions that Satan particularly wants people to believe in 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 7:19am On Jun 03, 2016 |
brocab:It doesnt matter now if we are Israelites or we are Gentiles brocab:Is this last question addressed to me too? It is very clear that in the Bible, the only group of people explicitly told to pay tithes are the Israelites And there is a very good & valid reason for God staking a claim and bolding asserting a right to the tenth of all agricultural produce from the Israelites Joagbaje:Nowhere!. That there, smack on, is the point It doesnt anywhere say believers should give offerings, just as it neither anywhere says believers should should pay tithe As is seen in 2 Corinthians 8:12 & 2 Corinthians 9:7, believers have moved on past tithe and offering, to better eternal principles 2 Corinthians 8:12 For if the willingness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what one has, not according to what one does not have 2 Corinthians 9:7 Each of you should give whatever you have decided. You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give, since God loves a cheerful giver 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 7:18am On Jun 02, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Not me, you tried, we tried. Thanks for your sportsmanship displayed  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 6:40am On Jun 02, 2016 |
Joagbaje:I was wondering if you can handle body blows and do understand your situation, in that you're receiving too much information at one time and cannot think about them or dont have the time to properly think over them Makes you fell like a boxer in a boxing ring being pummelled mercilessly against the ropes Again, apart from the facts in Numbers 18:24 and/or from Deuteronomy 8:17-18 why did God demand tithing from the Israelites or why did the Israelites have to tithe? Do you know why specifically, tithing became an established command for the Israelites? Joagbaje:Every single chapter in the Bible is a hit. From Genesis to Malachi, Matthew to Revelation is a hit. Been there, done that, bought the T-shirt back to back. If tithes and offerings are eternal principles, do you accept that gravity and aerodynamics as well, are external principles too? Well the thing is, tithing is rendered unnecessary by another principle, just as gravity is rendered inoperative and unnecessary by another principle (i.e. aerodynamics) Tithing prohibits or prevents believers who are tithe partisans from flying. You cant rise high in the air with gravity. There is a better law, there is a better eternal principle... That is the decisive or most important point countering the assumptions in the thread and in your postings Read Hebrews 7:18-19, you'll have a better understanding of my communication and any psychological dependence on tithing will easily be overcomed 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings Are Eternal Principles by MuttleyLaff: 8:13am On Jun 01, 2016*. Modified: 6:57am On Jun 02, 2016 |
Joagbaje:Feign ignorance on what does Deuteronomy 14:24-26 say for as long as you like. but why arent I not surprised thsat again you're not answering the question(s) Joagbaje:SMH LOL, first, you're demostrating biblical illiteracy on the subject of tithing, if you are connecting the phrase ''Abraham is father of faith'' with tithing. The long and the short of ''Abraham is father of faith'' has nothing whatsoever to do with tithing SMH, ''Abraham is father of faith, who's faith we follow'' you say, OK Abraham's faith in what gangan are you following? Joagbaje:This is very interesting, because tithing was a practice common and prevalent in the society Abraham lived then, even as a matter of fact, tithing existed or was practised earlier than when Abraham first and only one time tithed Even if what you say is true, it then begs the question, why didnt Abraham continue tithing? Why didnt Abraham tithe more than once? Joagbaje:Never mind if it is strange to you, because it doesnt matter as by your own admission you arent practising the Israelites The Abraham tithing one you are doing you arent even following it to the letter Joagbaje:That is besides the point except if you accept that there is a 20% penalty or surcharge to the original value Had to go to great lengths to tease out of you that you are practising the Abraham 10% tithing and not practising the Israelites 23 two-third% whole tithing Now you would now appreciate the probing questions asked you, were done, in order to set boundaries, to establish what form of tithing or whose form of tithing you are practising It is evident that what you are practising is a hotchpotch and nothing close to the Abraham style or type of tithing you declared doing Joagbaje:SMH. Why don't I just altogether drop everything I am doing to kindly quote them out for all to read! Or maybe I can read it out at bed time Re-read the post all over again. It's quoted in it. Done already but then pretend again as much as you like You obviously are one with an averse to receiving too much information or data. You cant, at a go, handle a lot of information or questioning, (e.g. apart from the facts in Numbers 18:24 and/or from Deuteronomy 8:17-18, why did the Israelites have to tithe? Did Jacob tithe? Why didnt Jacob tithe? etcetera) which is why I've had to resort to holding back and be biding jumping moment in this Double Dutch (jump rope) 1 Like |
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