truespeak: First it was Isaiah 35, now it is Genesis.
The First man and woman was Clearly named and stated, no mention of your Lilian Abi na Lilith whatever!
Keep grasping at air and trying to found your unfounded lie and confusion.
I pity the fools who shall drink up this horsepiss like wine and expect not to suffer stomach upset and sickness!
"Now there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies," - 2 Peter 2:1a
It is what Apostle Peter first warned about and later on, Apostle Jude confirmed what Apostle Peter warned about has crept into
dominique: Congrats to them. Season after season they keep qualifying for promition playoffs but always fail to make it to the premiership. They used to be a very strong team in the PL and play in champion's league before the moneybags bought Chelsea and Man City. Wishing them a successful campaign in the top flight
Dantedasz: While welcoming Leeds back to the premier league because they are actually a big team however the sad fact is they could go back down immediately without a tremendous injection of cash to buy premier league standard players. The premier league is a harsh terrain where a mistake is punished in a second if the team lacks the experience. You only need to look at all the promoted teams for the last ten seasons and where they ended up at the end of their first season back in the Premier league. The sad statistics do not favour promoted clubs.
I remember when, before ending his career at Manchester United, Frenchman Eric Cantona in 1992 and later on Ghanaian Anthony Yeboah, in 1995 used to play for them
MuttleyLaff: "Then Jesus declared, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. (i.e. The Sabbath was made to meet the needs of people, and not people to meet the requirements of the Sabbath)" - Mark 2:27
Mark 2:23-27, contextually, even shows how our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world, Jesus Christ, explains, that God did not have the Sabbath and then man to serve this day. That, the Sabbath, actually and/or in the first place, was made to serve man and to be for his/her benefit, as well, as being. Our bodies are not concrete, cement nor wood. We need to rest, so to regain expended strength and power so to manage and/or maintain our health, well-being and wellness. The other truth of the whole Sabbath matter, is that God didnt necessarily have to rest, but He, leading by example, did. He acted in this way, to show us how to act. Leave to us we will work round the clock, running and chasing after money until we run ourselves down, run out of steam and then unceremoniously fall to the ground and prematurely just like that drop dead. You dont lead, "thou shall not... thou shall keep my ...," by lip service, you lead by example. The "lead by example," is not the main thing, in positively influencing us, it is the only thing, lol. Leading by example is the most powerful advice you can give to anyone, and so after the sixth day, God rested on the seventh, lol
"Let no man disturb you about food or about drink or in the distinctions of feasts and beginnings of months and Sabbaths, (i.e. Let no man therefore judge you in food, or in drink, or in respect of a holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days)" - Colossians 2:16
"And after the sabbaths, it being dawn toward the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb." - Matthew 28:1
Now, my two beloved, lovingly dear loggerhead with each other brothers shadeyinka and blueAgent, locking horns on the matter of when is Sabbath in regards to being Saturday, Sunday or whatever day, let me draw an image to conjure up a picture in your minds to illustrate, whats going on here. I remember, when young and growing up as a child or kid, lights out was 9pm or 21:00 hours. This means, whether, I feel like it or not, whether I want to or not, it meant it was bedtime. It was not open to discussion, no debates, no arguments, it just was not negotiable other than I have to be in bed by 9pm or 21:00 hours, BUT, lol, when I finally came of age, when I transitioned from childhood to adulthood, when I have developed completely and reached maturity, I didnt necessarily have to stick to that 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime seemingly unarbitrary order, lol.
The 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order, lol, was made for me and my siblings, not my siblings and I for the 9pm or 21:00 hours lights out and bedtime, seemingly unarbitrary order. It was a laid down rule, set there for our needs, not us for its needs. Our needs, like for example, to refreshen our tired bodies, you of course, know when we were kids, how full of beans and/or energy we are, growing up, jumping up here and there, rolling and runnning up all over the place, tumbling down the hill etcetera.
The long and short of the nolstagic story, is that, now that we are grown, now that we've matured in sense, wisdom and become disciplined. sometimes we go to bed before 9pm or 21:00 hours, after 9pm or 21:00 hours, at 9pm or 21:00 hours and surprisingly, maybe with lights on, lol. The reality now, is that the hard and fast rule is no more there. At my age, it is now flexible, is what Colossians 2:16 above is saying, and no man can judge me for when and how I choose to have my rest (i.e. sabbath)
By the way, the plural sabbath in Colossians 2:16 and Matthew 28:1 above, is not talking about the seventh day rest but all days of rest which includes the seventh day (i.e. Saturday). There are sabbaths that dont fall on the Saturday, but actually do fall during the week and/or in mid week.
What are we saying here then? What is the point made here? It is that, the time is coming, indeed it’s here now, when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship Him that way, lol (i.e. John 4:23) For God has qualified us and made us competent as ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life, lol (i.e. 2 Corinthians 3:6)
Another quick one, before I close on this. I confidently am sure, each one of you knows about the implication of double solid white lines on our roads, lol. You know about obeying the letter of the double solid white lines law behind it, lol. What of, when to obey the spirit of the double solid white lines law, lol?
... There are two kinds of light, the glow that illuminates, sheds light upon something for people to clearly see and the glare that obscures because people squint and shut their eyes, as the truth is too harsh for their eyes to see with, lol.
letu: Keep on confusing your self and keep on adding your own personal twisted explanatory view/version of the gospel, every body knows who rested on the 7th day and why it was made holy as a holy commandment (the ten commandments) so like I said you're only doing yourself.
"The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath" - Mark 2:27
Jesus, in Mark 2:27 above, was teaching the principle about the Sabbath rest, that it was instituted to relieve man of his labors, just as He came to relieve us of our attempting to achieve salvation by our works. As it is now, we no longer rest for only one day, but we forever stop our laboring to attain God’s favor by ourself, by our own works and/or by our own righteousness/merit. Jesus is our Sabbath rest from works now, just as He is the door to heaven, where we will rest in Him forever
The Rothschild banking family was at one point the richest family on Earth. It was Nathan Mayer Rothschild who arranged a loan on behalf of the UK Government which accelerated the abolition of the slave trade by enabling the payment of some compensation to slave owners. That loan was just paid off by British taxpayers only in recent 2015
Dtruthspeaker: I understand, but, it is a Work in Progress, that can not be fully Presented here, since the Event itself is still on going and is not past, therfore it is subject to change, which means our present Conclusion may change also.
I agree, without demur, to all you said privately but you still managed to avoid talking specifically about what rapture actually is and how it exactly happens/happened. You even didnt put forward any bible verse to back you up
agboifeanyi242: Rothschild family are the richest family in the world, if you think Bills or Jeffs family are the richest then you should undo that.
The Rothschild family are blessed with money enough to control almost the world affairs, though they not longer have much influence again after they split their wealth.
These family are very secretive when it comes to showing off wealth, there are lots to talk about these family, many only know that they are wealthy and they reside in Europe, but today I'll be sharing some interesting facts about this family which you might have never heard of.
1. They marry themselves: when you have alot of money and power, it is very easy to be tempted to do things which can be referred to as "abnormal". the Rothschild family have so many legacies which includes keeping their family tree within themselves.
2. Some of them were over ambitious towards power: Money as they say is the root of evil, the fact that some of them have enough money as you can tell makes them believe they can set their own laws, and live by it. They are so hungry for power that they set their selves above president.
3. They are believed to set the amount Gold is sold world wide. This is to say they have control over the Gold market.
4. They control the US Federal Reserve, this is a bank in the United States of America which is owned by people outside America, and that is were USA keeps most of her money, this bank is owned by Rockefeller and Rothschild family but it is debated that Rothschild family is the major owner.
5. Some are Satanists: There are many rumors about that the family saying that they worship Satan, though it has not be admitted by the family but so many things can make you think so, the family has a reserved dark sit in their house which it's said to be for the dark lord and they allow no one to sit on it, also the family seal all their documents with stamp which is used by magician and sorcerer in the early days.
6. They relate with secret cults: The Rothschild family are believed to be the major influencer of Illuminati.
7. They influenced so many wars: Since they're the world most powerful family and believed to control half of the world money, they 8. They have about $600 billion in secret: These family are with no argument the wealthiest in the world since the past 200years and have assets worth about 400 million dollars and still believe to have more wealth in secret. but their secret lifestyle makes people not them in Forbes even year.
So when you think of wealthy people in the world always remember this family.
Dtruthspeaker: , ho, your wisdom is very plenty! I have sent a PM, this Part has to be Personal.
I am not Nicodemus and so not cut out for clandestine meetings, especially when it's concerning the rapture doctrine, but if that's how you roll, then so be it
truespeak: It is not allowed that a man should condemn himself!
But, I am willing to share seeing as you wish to drink as you said! However this things are better discussed one on one. Dtruthspeaker informed me, he has sent you a mail!
... and I am here to inspire sharing. Yes, Dtruthspeaker did send me a PM, and thats why I messaged Dtruthspeaker with "CYM"
truespeak: You would not goad me into saying more than I have said already . I know you are a thinker and can think on things for yourself besides I see Dtruthspeaker has elaborated on my findings!
Missyajoke: Matthew 24 verse 40 "Two men will be in the field one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a handmill; one will be taken and the other left. "
I would you kindly do an exegesis of Matthew 24:40, breaking it down to put into a feeding milk bottle please
Dtruthspeaker: Let me throw in a little more facts here, a close look at every Prophecy in the past, NEVER TURNED OUT the Way Man Reasonably Foresees!
I and Truespeak think that this Rapture Event would not be different! And we see many signs further grounding this belief going on around us in this country.
But as you can immediately see, it is Novel, and still under constant observation, though we personally have come to the conclusion that Rapture has begun.
I wish OpenYourEyes would come in to explain his own view for he posted on "Separation" which I think is still the purpose of 'Rapture"!
We know how and with what Noah and the seven others were not left behind. We also know how and with what Lot and his family bar his wife were not left behind, but since missyajoke and truespeak are shy to explain in layman's term what the rapture doctrine is, how it will happen and cite bible verse(s) to back up the viewpoint, please kindly step in Dtruthspeaker, to save the day and spare them their blushes, by explaining specifically what rapture is and how exactly it will happen. Thank you, as you present your fact(s) with bible verse support.
Dtruthspeaker: , we are saying the same thing from different stand points. I was holding focus that you were advocating for the pastors and Priests (the issue of this thread) in accordance to the Levites and that you tied it in to Melchizedek.
Sorry for the mix up, but I did enjoy the banter, hope you did.
Enjoy is my second middle name. I did, I enjoyed it as much as you, if not more than you.
Dtruthspeaker: By implication, you are Equating, King Melchizedek, King of Righteousness (Sound familiar?), King of Salem, meaning, King of Peace (Who do we call the Prince of Peace Again?) to the Similitude of Sin-Full children of Levi?
Even in the Clear Presentation that Melchizedek was a Great High Priest of God, Whom the Great father of Levi, Abraham, without Whom, there would be no Levi, Paid Obeisance and Received Blessings from Him,?
And even to the very defying that Paul, whom you first claimed, had Expressly Said "And without all contradiction the less is blessed of a better?
"For, “Who can know the LORD’s thoughts? Who knows enough to teach him?” But we understand these things, for we have the mind of Christ." - 1 Corinthians 2:16
"God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God." - 2 Corinthians 5:21
By implication, I am informing you that Jesus raised His nose, to ignore and/or disregard the Levitical priesthood in favour of the order of Melchizedek
Every believer, man, woman, son, daughter or child of God are dissimilar as the Sin-Full children of Levi because we operate in order of Melchizedek, working and ruling secularly as kings also spiritually be a mediatory agent between humans and God, specifically as priests, the same way Melchizedek was for Abraham. You do know, the Bible only addressed Abraham to be a prophet, but never a priest, except for in apocryphal source(s)
MuttleyLaff: Levite is old school. We are using the Melchizedek priesthood order, which is secular (i.e. king) and spiritual (i.e. priest). The Levitical priesthood is spiritual only, it is something of a handicap, it is limiting.
Jesus overlooked the Levitical priesthood, to prefer and select the Melchizedek priesthood for us.
MuttleyLaff: We are not operating the Levitical order, but we are using a superior order of Melchizedek
MuttleyLaff: "Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor:" - Ecclesiastes 4:9
Just because Melchizedek's birth and birth was unknown, doesn't mean nor imply that Melchizedek had no date of birth and date of death. You don't understand the POV, Hebrews 7:3 is making
1/ What is/are the major points that qualifies one to be a Levite? 2/ Why did Jesus adopt and favour the Melchizedek priesthood order over the Levitical priesthood?
Two is stronger than one. Since the Levitical order is singular, and the order of Melchizedek is dual, then Ecclesiastes 4:9 above, attests that the Melchizedek priesthood order is better, superior, not limited like the Levitical order is.
We are doing full circle, cycling back to the beginning in everything
Dtruthspeaker: Well, all these debates are going aside the issue, which I say, pastors and Priests fend for ourselves and disturb no one as it was in the beginning whilst you say they are Levites in the Order of Melchizedek!
So judgment of it goes to both the people out there and to the Lord High Above All!!
Where did I say "pastors and priests" are Levites in the Order of Melchizedek?
truespeak: Again, I say, that which is told you may or may not be the truth but happy is the man who searcheth a thing and findeth it for himself!
Nothing is told me anything, but that if you are anything at all being honest, sincere and truthful, you will talk about what your position really and exactly is, concerning what is the rapture doctrine, how it will happen and cite bible verse(s) to back up your position
Hunt27: Source below h t tps://www..com.ng/you-are-under-a-financial-curse-when-you-dont-pay-your-tithe-bishop-oyedepo/
Amotolongbo: He is only trying to recuperate the money he has lost during this pandemic.
Amotolongbo: It seems some people’s minds have been opened by the effects of the COVID19. They got to realize that many things being preached in church aren’t real, and understand that nothing will happen if one stays at home on Sunday.
Pastor Oyedepo And Oyakilome have been bursted now, judging their aggressive agitation against the church closure caused by the outbreak of the pandemic.
The reason they have been so much antagonizing church closure is surely based on dwindling response to tithe and offering payment and being afraid of people ever being faithful to it again.
He understands his aggressive preaching against church closure isn’t working, hence the stylish urge for tithing backed up with curse
SamuelLoch: From greed to prison! If this allegation is true, the personal assistant has just affected hundreds of life, if not more. Greed + quest for money, such a bad combo!
Hundreds of life and dreams in Naija, for starters
karo93: Noted. I will modify and add "and solid businesses" to it
There is something called, get to a point, that money begins to effortlessly work for you (e.g. as a regular passive income et cetera), than you tirelessly working for money, which often peanut(s), is this case.
truespeak: I do not hide but I am a firm believer in searching out and discovering the truth for yourself, hence my position!
If you want the above comment to be anything and anywhere believable, then put your cards on the table and lay them facing up, so we see what your position really and exactly is, concerning what is the rapture doctrine, how it will happen and cite bible verse(s) to back up your position
truespeak: I wanted to keep quiet seeing as some are waiting and hoping for a disappearing which they call Rapture and would not heed my words but I say this to you, if you had understanding of what God did with Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah and again with Noah, you would know and understand, what Rapture truly means!
MuttleyLaff: Please explain, keeping it simple, what exactly is rapture and how specifically, with examples, rapture happens. Would not mind, you presenting bible verses, you base this rapture doctrine on
truespeak: I have given clues up there for anyone who is interested in searching it out!
It is better to come to the understanding by yourself if you really care for it, than for someone to tell you.
"It is to the glory of God to conceal a matter and to the honour of Kings to search it out"!
Don't be left behind, as like how Lot's wife was left behind, is different to what the doctrine of rapture is about, and this is talking in terms of suddenly being lifted to be caught up in the air.
Being preached to, for 120 years, by Noah, that God is going to flood the earth with a deluge of water, then soon after Methuselah died, the flooding happened, at which only eight people who entered the Ark were saved from drowning, is quite different different to what the doctrine of rapture is about, and this is talking in terms of suddenly being lifted to be caught up in the air.
Now I gave you a fair, good and golden opportunity to spell out your position but you unwisely chose to hide behind the cover of Proverbs 25:2
truespeak: I wanted to keep quiet seeing as some are waiting and hoping for a disappearing which they call Rapture and would not heed my words but I say this to you, if you had understanding of what God did with Lot in Sodom and Gomorrah and again with Noah, you would know and understand, what Rapture truly means!
Please explain, keeping it simple, what exactly is rapture and how specifically, with examples, rapture happens. Would not mind, you presenting bible verses, you base this rapture doctrine on
karo93: I agree with Apostle Paul, Do your secular work alongside ministry unless God expressly commands you not to work.
The last i heard of Apostle Arome Osayi was that he will continue his secular work alongside ministry until God tells him to stop secular work. This he said he heard expressly from the Lord
I think this pattern is easier to accept for people that have solid white collar or blue collar jobs though....
What matters most is What God is saying.....and if you dont know what God is saying about it then atleast how has God worked with others in the past?
White collar or blue collar jobs (i.e. job means "just over broke" work) aren't the only means having or ways creating wealth.
Dtruthspeaker: Which Came First and Who is Greater? Is it not Melchizedek, Whom we are told his birth is Unknown and his death, also Unknown (Does He not look like someone we know? ) Hebrews 7:3.
Seeing the Similarity of Melchizedek to Christ, I think it safe and reasonable to come to the conclusion that "as it was in the beginning, so shall it be" That we have begun Our Trip Back to the Beginning, With Everything once more, Starting with Christ, the Word, (John 1:1-4), Again!
The Role and Job of the Levites have been Taken Over, by the Lord, Himself!
And if Taken Over, then the.Duties of the Levites have been Discharged!
And all Obligations Owed them, Are Now therefore, Released!
"Two are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor:" - Ecclesiastes 4:9
Just because Melchizedek's birth and birth was unknown, doesn't mean nor imply that Melchizedek had no date of birth and date of death. You don't understand the POV, Hebrews 7:3 is making
1/ What is/are the major points that qualifies one to be a Levite? 2/ Why did Jesus adopt and favour the Melchizedek priesthood order over the Levitical priesthood?
Two is stronger than one. Since the Levitical order is singular, and the order of Melchizedek is dual, then Ecclesiastes 4:9 above, attests that the Melchizedek priesthood order is better, superior, not limited like the Levitical order is.
We are doing full circle, cycling back to the beginning in everything
Jones4190: two things are involved, is either you are collecting it as a pastor or you are paying him as as a church member
"You must each decide in your heart how much to give. And don’t give reluctantly or in response to pressure. (i.e. You shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give) “For God loves a person who gives cheerfully.”" - 2 Corinthians 9:7
I don't do either. I hold good to a 2 Corinthians 9:7 superior principle
Dtruthspeaker: This Part Belongs Only to the Lord, Jesus Christ, and Paul simply stated this to explain to the Hebrews, The Submission and Compliance of Christ with Law of Sin Offerings!
Christ is Both the High Priest and the Holy Lamb Offering for Sin!
No man can lay Claim to it!
My respectful, opinion.
Where does royal priesthood belong? Is it the Levitical order or the Melchizedek order? The kingly and priestly statuses we are enjoying is in line with the order of Melchizedek style. Didnt you compute that ni?
Dtruthspeaker: It was the same Paul who raised the Melchizedek Priesthood, you are utilising, who himself said
"Neither did we eat any man's bread for bought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you. As we all do.
For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, (this is Expressly Prohibited) but are busybodies.
Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ[b], that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread."[/b] 2 Thessalonians 3:8-11
It is in the Levitical order that you are restricted to only doing temple duties/work and nothing else. As a Levite, you aren't expected to earn a secular living. You are not entitled to have an inheritance or own a land. Every other tribe in Israel had a land inheritance except for the tribe of Levi
treasuremi1: Actually, this forum is not the best place to get a convincing answer. As a young man of God, what is most important is God's divine guidance. God can never be wrong and you need to seek God's guidance in situations like this. God does not leave His children without the guidance from the Holy Spirit. On the situation at hand, don't expect any spiritual father to tell you to have or not have a side job. God who is leading you into the ministry has the blueprint and plan in His hand if you can trust Him enough to guide you. I am in a full time ministry and it's not a sin to have a side job. But what is most important is what God is saying.
This forum is one of the best place to get a convincing answer. You are even parrotting advice(s) already proffered on this forum to OP
8Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: 9Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. 10For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. 11For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. 12Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.
Christianity Etc › Re: Legend Of Lilith: Adam's First Wife by MuttleyLaff: 2:43pm On Jul 18, 2020
, we are saying the same thing from different stand points. I was holding focus that you were advocating for the pastors and Priests (the issue of this thread) in accordance to the Levites and that you tied it in to Melchizedek.
