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MaxInDHouse:
This is political!

The Arab world want to take over power from the West, they found out that the nation that served longest as world power in the past was Italy (Rome) and the tool Romans used to keep that position for that long was Catholicism (religion)
So after lots of internal disputes amongst themselves they came to agree that Muhammad whom they themselves exterminated would have been useful to them. HOW?
If all Arabs should embrace the same god instead of each family having it's own god as they've been doing in the past, it will be easier for them to form alliance against the west and they will use Islam (religion) to recruit more fighters to support them.
Muhammad was assassinated because he is imposing the custom of the Jews on them and telling them that their numerous gods are worthless. Before then there was no nation on this planet that's worshiping just one deity except Israel. So they thought he is insulting them by raising the tradition of their enemies against their own, but when they now reconciled and thought of making use of what Muhammad introduced, the bone of contention now is which name will the God of Islam be called?
Of course Muhammad can't call on the name of the God of the Jews "JEHOVAH" in the midst of the enemies of Israel so he can't fabricate any name other than living it as God (Allah)
So Allah simply means God and God is just a title not the name of any specific deity, the name the God of the Hebrews called himself is "JEHOVAH"
If i want to preach and teach an Arabian about my own God now, i'll use the name JEHOVAH but when talking about the title then Allah would be appropriate because Allah simply means God therefore all the deities in the world could be referred to as Allah (god) why the Arabs fought against Muhammad wasn't the name but that there is just one Allah (god) so which Allah (god) should be scrapped amongst several deities that the inhabitants of Mecca worshiped back then and which should be retained? That's what caused the rift between Muhammad and his people not the issue of a specific name!

You're right to point out the fact that Allah simply means God by translation.
Whether that God is the same as Jehovah is a subject of debate.
But I believe even gods know and recognise that there's only one God. Even Apostle Paul corroborates this. Acts 17:23-24
So for the Muslims and Jews to be worshipping that God means their followers are all worshipping the same One God.

Do you know that the name Jehovah only exists in the old testament?
Not once was Jehovah mentioned in the new testament.
Christians now believe God having exalted the name of Jesus even above his own name means that Jesus is the God of Christianity. Philippians 2:9-11

If I'm wrong please don't hesitate to prove me wrong with scriptures.

hoopernikao:
Can i ask you,

When Jesus died and rose, there was not single book of what we called New Testament is written then, So please, what covenant was in operation then, since the New Covenant is not available and the Old is now Old (going by your explanation that books are the covenants)? If you take the writings as the covenant, so were they still under Old covenant even after Jesus resurrection? Bear in mind that the first book of the NT is written 50 years after. So was the covenant suspended within that period that no one has penned down all the events as scriptures?


The scriptures is not a covenant, it is a documents that shows you God's dealing with man. It only documents the covenants which you read today to learn and to know God's purpose for man: Christ.

I am avoiding having to write a long explanation on this,

Let me share an illustration;

Take Nigeria for example, our traditional/indigenous religions had their own laws and practices, they had been living by for ages.

Let's say suddenly an educated traditionalist decides to document these practices iand write them in a book that was published in the year 2020.

Does that mean that traditional religion started in year 2020?
Cos from your explanation, that because the books of the new testament were written 50 years after Christ does not make them new covenant right?


How then do you explain the message of what was documented informing us that the death of Chris ushered in both a new covenant and the Holyspirit dispensation which were not in the old covenant.

Jesus Christ brought the new covenant. John 1:17.
Whether it was documented 1000 years after him, doesn't negate the fact that a new covenant was given through him.

I asked you a question, what does the new covenant mean to you cos I believe your answer to this question will settle this confusion.

hoopernikao:
So, in conclusion,
When you read or see the word covenant in the Bible, it's just part of the dealings of God with man to save and redeem man. It's not referring to writing of the Bible. If you observe the said covenant is always associated to events and explained in events when used.


So you must try to keep your mind away from thinking the Bible is talking about the books of the Bible when you read/hear Old Testament/Covenant or New Testament/Covenant.


You may not agree with the following but it's the truth:
that your (our) knowledge of calling a part of the scriptures old and another part new was actually influenced by translators' segmentation of the Bible into two. If you haven't heard or seen that word before, you will never have such notion nor see it intended in the scriptures if you are given a whole Bible to read. All the texts of the scriptures are clear.

First let me start by reminding you that the present book called the bible was canonised.
However it was canonised to reflect to a great degree the timeline and journey from the Old to the new covenant (testament).

Those who canonised the bible did their research before separating the bibke into Old testament and New testament.

Saying new testament/covenant is no differential from the Old means not only did Jesus' death achieve nothing, but also the early Christians (apostles of the new covenant) were persecuted and martyred by the Jews (custodians of the old covenant).

One major difference between the old testament and the new testament is the Laws of Moses being replaced by the Law of the Spirit.
In fact Apostle Paul in His epistles condemns any bekiever who still practises the laws. He called such accursed. Galatians 3:1-14

At this juncture i believe you should explain what you understand by the new covenant to help me better understand your position cos I really don't see it.

shadeyinka:
Is Allah the same as Jehovah?

Just go to any mosque and shout "Jehovah Allahu Akbar" and see if you are not reduced to minced meat!

Well, Arabic bible translations refer to God (Jehovah) as Allah.

mhmsadyq:
As Muslims, we believe Islam is the religion chosen by the Supreme Being, Allah SWT for Mankind and the jinns.

Islam is the religion of all the Prophets and Messengers of Allah sent to tribes, nations, and peoples from the time of the creation of the first man, Adam AS.

But at some points in time, the true message from Allah usually get lost and in some cases corrupted by men. Therefore, the need to send another Prophet or Messenger as Allah wills.
Allah said this about the father of Faith in Qur'an 3:65 - 67,
[3:65] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لِمَ تُحَآجُّوۡنَ فِیۡۤ اِبۡرٰہِیۡمَ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَتِ التَّوۡرٰىۃُ وَ الۡاِنۡجِیۡلُ اِلَّا مِنۡۢ بَعۡدِہٖ ؕ اَفَلَا تَعۡقِلُوۡنَ ﴿۶۵﴾

O People of the Book! Why do you dispute about Ibrahim ([Abraham] i.e., why do you regard him as a Jew or a Christian])? The truth is that the Torah and the Injil ([the Gospel] on which both your religions are based) were sent down after his time. Have you not even (this much) sense?
[3:66] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"ہٰۤاَنۡتُمۡ ہٰۤؤُلَآءِ حَاجَجۡتُمۡ فِیۡمَا لَکُمۡ بِہٖ عِلۡمٌ فَلِمَ تُحَآجُّوۡنَ فِیۡمَا لَیۡسَ لَکُمۡ بِہٖ عِلۡمٌ ؕ وَ اللّٰہُ یَعۡلَمُ وَ اَنۡتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۶﴾

Listen! You are the people who have also been disputing about matters of which you had (but some) knowledge. But why do you dispute about things of which you have no knowledge (at all)? And Allah knows but you do not know.

[3:67] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"مَا کَانَ اِبۡرٰہِیۡمُ یَہُوۡدِیًّا وَّ لَا نَصۡرَانِیًّا وَّ لٰکِنۡ کَانَ حَنِیۡفًا مُّسۡلِمًا ؕ وَ مَا کَانَ مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ ﴿۶۷﴾

Ibrahim (Abraham) was neither a Jew nor a Christian; he was a (true) Muslim, far detached from all heresy and falsehood. Nor was he one of the polytheist.

Also,
[2:135] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"وَ قَالُوۡا کُوۡنُوۡا ہُوۡدًا اَوۡ نَصٰرٰی تَہۡتَدُوۡا ؕ قُلۡ بَلۡ مِلَّۃَ اِبۡرٰہٖمَ حَنِیۡفًا ؕ وَ مَا کَانَ مِنَ الۡمُشۡرِکِیۡنَ ﴿۱۳۵﴾

And (the People of the Book) say: ‘Become Jews or Christians, then you will be guided aright.’ Say: ‘(Nay,) the truth is that we have embraced the religion of Ibrahim (Abraham) who, far from every falsehood, turned absolutely to Allah alone. And he was not of the polytheists.’

[2:136] Al-Baqarah-الْبَقَرَة
"قُوۡلُوۡۤا اٰمَنَّا بِاللّٰہِ وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡنَا وَ مَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلٰۤی اِبۡرٰہٖمَ وَ اِسۡمٰعِیۡلَ وَ اِسۡحٰقَ وَ یَعۡقُوۡبَ وَ الۡاَسۡبَاطِ وَ مَاۤ اُوۡتِیَ مُوۡسٰی وَ عِیۡسٰی وَ مَاۤ اُوۡتِیَ النَّبِیُّوۡنَ مِنۡ رَّبِّہِمۡ ۚ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَیۡنَ اَحَدٍ مِّنۡہُمۡ ۫ۖ وَ نَحۡنُ لَہٗ مُسۡلِمُوۡنَ ﴿۱۳۶﴾

(O Muslims!) Say: ‘We believe in Allah and in that (Book) which has been revealed to us and (also) that which was revealed to Ibrahim (Abraham) and Isma‘il (Ishmael) and Ishaq (Isaac) and Ya‘qub (Jacob) and their children and those (Books) too which were given to Musa (Moses) and ‘Isa (Jesus) and (likewise) which were given to other Prophets by their Lord. We do not make distinction between any of them (in the matter of faith), and we have submitted ourselves to Him alone (the Only, the One God).’

Islam recognises all Prophets and Messengers mentioned in the Bible and the Torah and some that were not mentioned or known by us. Especially, there are 25 were prominently mentioned in the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Islam believe in Isa AS, which i think the Christians call Jesus. But Islam condemns the assertion that he is the begotten Son of God (Allah)

[3:59] Āl ‘Imrān-آل عِمْرَان
"اِنَّ مَثَلَ عِیۡسٰی عِنۡدَ اللّٰہِ کَمَثَلِ اٰدَمَ ؕ خَلَقَہٗ مِنۡ تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿۵۹﴾

Surely, the example of ‘Isa (Jesus) in the sight of Allah is the same as that of Adam whom He formed from clay, then said (to him): ‘Be.’ And he became.

[43:59] Al-Zukhruf-الزُّخْرُف
"اِنۡ ہُوَ اِلَّا عَبۡدٌ اَنۡعَمۡنَا عَلَیۡہِ وَ جَعَلۡنٰہُ مَثَلًا لِّبَنِیۡۤ اِسۡرَآءِیۡلَ ﴿ؕ۵۹﴾

He (‘Isa [Jesus]) was only an (exalted) servant whom We blessed with favour. And We made him an example (of Our might) for the Children of Israel.

[19:35] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"مَا کَانَ لِلّٰہِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ مِنۡ وَّلَدٍ ۙ سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ اِذَا قَضٰۤی اَمۡرًا فَاِنَّمَا یَقُوۡلُ لَہٗ کُنۡ فَیَکُوۡنُ ﴿ؕ۳۵﴾

It is not Allah’s Glory that He should take (to Himself anyone as) a son. Holy and Glorified is He (above this)! When He decrees any matter, He only says to it: ‘Be,’ and it becomes.

The major point of departure between Islam and Christianity is the Sonship of Isa to Allah SWT.
This is a blasphemous statement in the sight of Allah.
[19:88] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحۡمٰنُ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۸۸﴾

And (the disbelievers) say: ‘The Most Kind (Lord) has taken (to Himself) a son.’
[19:89] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"لَقَدۡ جِئۡتُمۡ شَیۡئًا اِدًّا ﴿ۙ۸۹﴾

(O disbelievers!) You have indeed brought most horrible and unusual evil (on your tongues).
[19:90] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"تَکَادُ السَّمٰوٰتُ یَتَفَطَّرۡنَ مِنۡہُ وَ تَنۡشَقُّ الۡاَرۡضُ وَ تَخِرُّ الۡجِبَالُ ہَدًّا ﴿ۙ۹۰﴾

The heavens may just burst at this (fabricated lie) and the earth split asunder and the mountains fall down to pieces,
[19:91] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اَنۡ دَعَوۡا لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ وَلَدًا ﴿ۚ۹۱﴾

That they have attributed a son to the Most Kind (Lord).
[19:92] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ مَا یَنۡۢبَغِیۡ لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۹۲﴾

And it is not befitting the Glory of the Most Kind (Lord) to take (someone as) a son.
[19:93] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اِنۡ کُلُّ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ اِلَّاۤ اٰتِی الرَّحۡمٰنِ عَبۡدًا ﴿ؕ۹۳﴾

Whoever is (dwelling) in the heavens and the earth (whether an angel, a jinn or a human being) will appear just as a servant before the Most Kind (Lord).

Wow. This is deep. Thanks for sharing the references too.

What then is your take? Do Muslims and Christians worship the same God though in different ways?

hoopernikao:
Observe properly, that the word covenant was not used loosely as we use it this days.

When that word is used as New/Old in the Bible it is always explained.

Observe the verse you quoted.

HEBREWS 8:6-13
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

Verse 6 used the word promises. That means we must trace what that means. When, how, where did God made his promises. At what point in time? Was it an event or a writing or both.

There are two key events in OT that defines God's promises

1. To Abraham
2. To Israelite.

And this promises were firstly seen in events and documented as scriptures. So when the scriptures speaks about old promises, that won't refer to a writings but an event in time that was now documented in writings (scriptures).

E.g The promise to Abraham cannot be called the Book of Genesis but that promise was documented in the book of Genesis, but the book is not a covenant as much as the promise to Abraham was a covenant.


Observe the next verse

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

This explains when and what is the covenant. He said the Old covenant was made: to who?

To fathers of the house of Israel and Judah

Where? Observe what he said below:

day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt.

Very specific.
The covenant as in an event. We can see this events documented in Exodus, Deuteronomy. Note that there is different between documentation of the events and the events itself. He called the events in those period (exodus from Egypt) a covenant. In fact this events wasn't in Genesis, It was documented in Exodus-Deut.

So, the old covenant has a recipient - Those coming from Egypt. In fact it is clear from above that God didn't make the covenant with everyone but specifically "their fathers".


So what is called the new covenant in the scriptures?
Now observe next verse.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

He didn't say New scriptures. A new covenant, not a writing but a promise, an event of actions and plans. What we have as scriptures will be the explanation of these events


So, Genesis to Malachi documented this covenant, a promise of God made during the Exodus. The documentation which is what we called now the Old Testament (Scriptures) is not the covenant made, but gives us the explanation of what transpired to learn from. The covenant is a promise.

Note that God firstly made a covenant to Abraham. You can't called that covenant book of Genesis just because it was documented in Genesis. The covenant with Abraham is an event, a promise which we can read and learn from Genesis. Same with the promise he made to Israel, it's a covenant, now documented in the books we called OT today.

Lastly observe the verse below.

In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

So what is the new covenant? It's not Mathew to Revelation but the covenant of the Spirit in Christ Jesus.

Where can we find this documented? All through the scriptures, not just what we called NT

When was it fulfilled? In the events of his death, burial, resurrection and the giving of the Spirit.

Where is this event documented for us to read? In Matthew to Revelation.

So you must know the distinction between events called covenant and the writings that documented the events.

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So going back to where we stated.

The word covenant was never used loosely in the scriptures and was never used to mean the writings of the scriptures. The idea of calling a part of the scriptures Old Testament was influenced by translators who trying to help in reading of the Bible decided to demarcate into two and called one Old and another New. It was never from the scriptures and this have not helped many in proper bible study and understanding.

Infact, it is funny how translator called Matthew - John New Testament, when the scriptures shows clearly that there cant be a new testament when the testator is still alive. Jesus was with humanity in all the 4 gospels, so why is it called Old? But the reality is this is not even the issue, the Bible was never referred to as old in any part or in full.

Doesnt the bible contains the documentation of the events of the old covenant? Yes
Is any part of the bible now become old covenant or testament? No.

The scriptures are scriptures, in its completeness we find God's work in Christ for man, in man and through man.
So, that means, no part of this must be treated as old or new, as the word of God are always new and abide forever.

I find your writings very well articulated and presented.
However, it does not cloud my judgment not to see the truth or lies in them.

At this point, I really wish to understand your point, and i hope you won't disappoint. (just couldn't resist the rhyme.lol)
You seem to disagree with the writer in Hebrews if your submission is that there is no difference between the old and the new testament/covenant.
Regardless of the documentation, do you believe there was an old testament after which Christ ushered in a new testament?

I ask cos it would seem that the whole purpose of the birth, death and resurrection of Christ wasn't even necessary since the old covenant is to be continued.

I believe you need to be less closed-minded in order to both acknowledge and appreciate that the birth, death and resurrection of Christ paved the way for a new covenant. The more pertinent question is whether the old covenant was abolished or parts of it yet remains in the new.

Mikecold:
(1). I told you there is freewill in heaven, when God cast Satan down he ended the rebillion that Satan orchestrated in heaven (the exact reason why punishment in its is a dissentient for future violators.)

When souls who lived on Earth go to heaven, they don't think of violating heaven principles even with their free will because they have tested the seductions of the world and can't fall to the end of Satan (btw you can't escape all the temptation of the devil here just only to fall when in God's presence)

(2). A child is without knowledge they go to heaven if they die, not an adult that knows the difference between Good and Evil (Adam and Eve were told the consequences of their actions that's why they fell for the devil promises)

(3). What is changed in my explanation of regret, you regret simply because you are disappointed, you don't regret when things go well, disappointment brings regret (is that an entirely new explanation to the word?)

You are disappointed either because of your error or someone's else's and in this case it's man own error.

(4). Adam and Eve weren't kids, they were given everything to keep them comfortable, they were told the consequences of their actions, (you can blame God if they weren't told).

The tree in question wasn't some knive a kid runs into on the ground, it had a specific location including someone having to take the pain of climbing or stretching just to eat from the fruit (you can't carefully do all these and claim innocent)

(5). Satan can not die as you put it, it has everlasting existence (it has an everlasting disconnect from God's mercy which is a torment on its own, this was the state he wished for man)

Unfortunately for him man had not yet the tree of life like him so man could still be redeemed.

Death to man was attached to the tree of knowledge he ate from (from day one)

(6). God is not just a creator, he is also a judge, he can't be seen to be unfair in this role whether friend or not.

If God boasts in job and the devil is confident he would disappoint him, should God set aside this test from the devil?

would the devil not call God an unbiased God that sheilds him from testing them, did Satan not test God's own son.

(7). Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but to establish it (we still follow the obey your parents, no adultery, etc law)

8. God trusted his creatures enough to give them free will, there would be no concept of that same trust if he didn't trust them to keep his word as he commanded

Leaving them was a part of the freedom the freewill came with (because giving them freewill and gagging on it does not indicate trust which the freewill came with)

He didn't abadon them per-say he always came in the cool of the day.

I have taken pains to point every thing out, remove bias, if you assimilate it even from a theology perspective this God is perfect in everysense

Youre sharing your own opinion.
As a biblical scholar, it would help if you had biblical references for each of your point.

hoopernikao:
And then be persecuted like Paul

How else can a Christian share in the glory of Christ except through persecution? Lol.

The challenge is we have seen God continue to prosper nominal Christians that devout Christians start to question if the persecution route is worth it.
Trust me, there was a time I was ready to go to Okija Shine, Sambisa forest and even outside the shores of Nigeria just to be propagate the gospel and even be martyred for his name sake.

But with time I realised I was no different from an extremist Muslim who is likewise prepared to be blown up to further the Islamic cause.

AkinwaleJJ:
Your friend, profile name starts with M!

Wow. Maximus? Cool. Now I can connect the dots better.

jantman:
@Myer
If I will be honest with you, Christian and Muslim don't serve the same God.

Muslim wants to serve the one and only true God but their religion is a deception and doctrine of Satan. The foundation of Islam is faulty

I remember I came accross article about the foundation of Islam. I was told that the father of the prophet Mohammed is known as Abdhalla who was worshiping a deity called (Allah)

Abdhallah was a slave of a deity, an Idol called (allah)
Abdhallah gave birth to a son named Mohammed who continue from his father legacy and became the founder of Islam.

Mohammed became very powerful and start conquering nations and when he does he will introduce Islam to those nation he has vaptured through war, that is how Islam spread all over middle east

From experience when a man worship Idols, even after his death, one of his sons must continue the father's legacy as a priest to this deity.

@Myer
I am an introvert and I think a lot and can write an article and explain it to you more better but i just have to answer you in a hurry

I hope you perceived what Islam is all about?

If I get you right, Allah decided to create a story in the likeness of the Christian God?

Well, I don't know where you get your information from but I can assure you it's just an opinion.

azmanaty02:
Fulani cow is sweeter than yoruba cow

You this racist bustard.

Kobojunkie:
Did you know that all knowledge whether Good or Evil, belongs to God?

Did you know that there is only one Spirt of Inspiration who inspires all creativity?

Did you know that even the secular songs some love to hate are also inspired?

Did you know that God gave man no command as regards what music he can sing or listen to or even how to take a shower, or grow his beard or even bath?

Do you know that when you bend your mind to obeying the rules of ordinary men you shackle yourself to their laws and their rules, not God's.

Which denomination do you belong to?

HellVictorinho:
Are you saying Jesus is not the son?
If he is not the son,then who is?
If YHWH has no son,then it means Christians worship a God different from YHWH.

It could mean you worship the same God. Just his messenger Jesus was not fully accepted.
However the Jews only accept Christ as a Messiah and Prophet as their God never promised to have a son. Rather he promised that the Seed (Son) of the Woman would crush the head of the serpeant.
Likewise Muslims accept Jesus as a prophet of immense calling and signs and wonders. But God cannot have a son. Rather man can only be his servant.

But I understand that Christianity is hinged on Jesus being the Son of God. But if Jesus was a Jew then Judaism and Christianity worship the same God. QED.
And by inference Muslims and Christians worship the same God too.

jantman:
@Myer
Are you a Muslim?
Are you a Christian?
Or
Are you a member of the body of Christ?

Don't be concern about about the affairs of others. Be concern about yourself because on Judgment day you will only answer about yourself

Love everyone

True.
But while we are still here, can you simply answer the question, giving your reasons an well.

HellVictorinho:
How can God be the father of Jesus and not be the father of Jesus at the same time
How does that make any sense?

Remember God (YHWH) has been God even before the birth of Jesus Christ.
The Jews including Jesus Christ himself worshipped this God (YHWH).
The Jews simply parted ways with Jesus when he claimed to be the Son of God.

AkinwaleJJ:
Just love reading, chatting and sharing romance stories, i'm JW and married to a Nairalander (JW too), i'm sure you know my man very well, he's always on the religion section!

Didn't know you're a lady. So who's the lucky mystery man?

jantman:
@Myer
If I will be honest with you, Christian and Muslim don't serve the same God.

Muslim wants to serve the one and only true God but their religion is a deception and doctrine of Satan. The foundation of Islam is faulty

I remember I came accross article about the foundation of Islam. I was told that the father of the prophet Mohammed is known as Abdhalla who was worshiping a deity called (Allah)

Abdhallah was a slave of a deity, an Idol called (allah)
Abdhallah gave birth to a son named Mohammed who continue from his father legacy and became the founder of Islam.

Mohammed became very powerful and start conquering nations and when he does he will introduce Islam to those nation he has vaptured through war, that is how Islam spread all over middle east

From experience when a man worship Idols, even after his death, one of his sons must continue the father's legacy as a priest to this deity.

@Myer
I am an introvert and I think a lot and can write an article and explain it to you more better but i just have to answer you in a hurry

I hope you perceived what Islam is all about?

The irony of all this 8s no Muslim has come on this head to say that Christians and Muslims worship the different Gods only Christians.

Cos it's even somewhere in the Quran where it says Muslims should learn from Christians in the ways of righteousness.
Muslims just like the Jews only reject the fact that Jesus is Son of God and also the idea of the Trinity of God.

Allah simply means God. So as long as Christians, Jews and Muslims are worshipping the one and only God, by inference they're all worshipping the same God albeit in different ways.

It is only human religion that divides and makes Muslims and Christians not want to have anything in common.

kingxsamz:
Lol. Even in the bible the god of the old testament and new testament are clearly different, talk more of between two religions.

Interesting.
Please shed more light

hoopernikao:
There are more work on ground than online Sir, especially in silencing the voice and influence of the pandemic.

Am sure you have been good.

On this we certainly agree.
So much noise online.
The world yearns for the word of life, not words of argument and egomania as is common on here.lol

Your absence was truly felt. Hope you brought a fresh doze of anointing like the Apostle Paul after his return from Arabia.

hoopernikao:
Absolutely a continuation. All that is written in New is taken directly from the Old. No new revelation. Until you see the scriptures as a whole and start reading and understanding it as such there are alot that won't be understood.

Note
No writer of the new testament has a Bible study beyond reading the old. When you read the word scriptures in New Testament, that solely refer to the OT (Genesis - Malachi) in their time not 4 gospels or epistles, yet they communicated all you read today in NT from it.

Paul read OT and taught salvation, faith in Christ. Jesus read OT and taught redemption, grace and God's mercy. Same as other writers. Their teaching is from old.

So, until you start seeing what they saw in OT and start understanding what those who heard them understood, you will not have full appreciation of the whole scripture one.

What does the phrase New testament mean?
Let me rather answer you with scriptures.

HEBREWS 8:6-13
But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises.

For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second. Because finding fault with them, He says: “Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they did not continue in My covenant, and I disregarded them, says the Lord.

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put My laws in their mind and write them on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. None of them shall teach his neighbor, and none his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their lawless deeds I will remember no more.”

In that He says, “A new covenant,” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.


John 13:34
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

Oyebaba10:
But Islam does not lead to salvation

And Christianity leads to salvation?

Salvation is relative.
I guess to a Christian only hope of heaven is seen as salvation.
To a Muslim, submitting to God's will, being saved from sinful ways, spiritual attacks, having a successful life and the hope of heaven is salvation.

So a Muslim would tell you Islam leads to salvation.

ewelike98925:
The xtians worship yahweh, the muslims worship allah. However, there is only one God i.e God the father, who in his infinite kindness sent his only begotten son to die for me and you.

How has that sacrifice differentiated you from a Muslim?
A lot of Muslims are even more christiane than Christians.

Saintmary:
Why do people wait until after death before celebrating a person.
Such an amazing person.

Unfortunate reality.
Wish she was celebrated while she was yet living.
She truly was a non-cape wearing super hero.
Saving the lives of bachelors and manchelors everyday.lool

hoopernikao:
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Bro, you still have somethings mixed up. And I feel that is what is informing your actions and thought.

Note that
1. Salvation in Christ or Christianity never promised a life without temptation. Temptation is not sin, and the fact that you can be tempted shows your humanity. What Christianity gives you is strength, hope and leading to be able to overcome this. Will some fall in this? Yes. Is it right? No. Can I live without being tempted? No. As much as you have desires, temptation will abound. Yet the scriptures provide a way out of this always.

2. Christianity or Salvation never promised you a life free of challenges. Anywhere that is preached is a false gospel. In fact it promised you a more challenging life for the gospel sake. So, can I prevent challenges? No. Do I have the power to overcome these challenges? Yes.

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So, you must firstly know in reality the gospel you recover and believed. This days there are many ANOTHER GOSPEL flying around. A proper understanding of what the Bible teaches and offers is key.

Of course I'm not speaking merely of life's challenges, that's a given also.
What I mean is as regards struggles with sin.
A Christian just like other non-christians is commiting one sin or the other.
Otherwise how do you explain Nigeria having almost the highest number of Christians in the world yet the most corrupt country in the world.

hoopernikao:
The old testament as you called it, is as both relevant to Christianity as much as the New Testament. There will never be new without the old. So actually, not old per say. Scripture is scripture.

You mean there is no difference between the old and the new testament?

hoopernikao:
Bro, trust you are doing great. Longtime.

I am sure you know this answer yourself, that Christianity has its own identity saviour and traditions. And our feelings or experience can't change that. It's the Christian culture that should change our thinking.

It's been aeons. I had feared you have been caught up in the spirit and translated to Sambisa to convert Shekau and his cohorts.lol

jantman:
@Myer

You know the answer to your question, but if you must know?

All Muslim wants to worship God in their own way
All Christian wants to worship God in their own way

But Islam does not lead to salvation

To answer your question; HERE IS THE WORDS OF JESUS: to (Sadhu Sundar Singh)

The Disciple,—What is the meaning and purpose of the cross, and why do pain and suffering exist in the world?
The Master,— The cross is the key to heaven. At the moment when by My baptism I took
the cross upon My shoulders for the sake of sinners, heaven was opened, and by means of My thirty-three years bearing of the cross and by death upon it, heaven, which by reason of sin was closed to believers, was for ever opened to them.
Now as soon as believers take up their cross and follow Me they enter heaven through Me (John x.9) and begin the enjoyment of that unbounded bliss which the world cannot understand, for heaven is closed to unbelief. Hope and experience will teach the unbeliever that joy follows pain, but that that joy does not endure. But I give to My children ease in pain, and perfect happiness and peace.
Those who joyfully take up My cross are themselves upborne by it, and ever supported by that cross they enter heaven at last...

Just as Christ said He is the only way to God. I believe Muslims also believe Muhammad is the way to God.
The question is that is this the same God or different Gods?
Bearing in mind that Jesus was a Jew yet some Christians say the God of the Jews is different from the Christian God.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam all share the same Father Abraham and other prophets. How then can they be serving different Gods?

Samfloxin:
allah is a small god

How we choose to spell god/God is dependent on the speller.lol Muslims spell their God as God just as Christians spell God as God.

It is only a Christian that would spell a Muslim God as small god. And vice versa.

AkinwaleJJ:
Left religion section for romance, don't have time for religious arguments no more.

Lol interesting. Now you're searching for love?

PoliteActivist:
Did he worship a different God

He is just a person and not a religion. I don't believe I have any opinion on his choice of religion or God.

enilove:
We don't worship the same God.

Christians worship God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob.

Muslims worship god of Abraham , Isaac and Ishmael .

The Christian God is the God that called the prophets in the Bible . Example , Abraham Moses , Elijah , Elisha , Jeremiah etc.

The Muslim god has only Muhammad as his prophet . '' There is no God but Allah and MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET'' .
That is the hidden truth about Islam .
Other prophets of the Bible are not the prophet of Allah .

Christians can face anywhere to worship their God .
Muslims must face the kabah to worship their God .

Christians believe God is our Father .
Muslims believe they are slaves of God .

The god of the Muslims command them to kill Christians , which means he is not our God .

I wish you would share your references from the bible or quran to help separate opinions from facts.

PoliteActivist:
Fela nko

What about him?