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Kobojunkie:
1. I don't believe you are yourself clear on the meaning of the passage that you posted there. Can you please go back, re-read those verses again and try to comprehend what is written as it is written there.

2. About your claim that only those who are "perfect" entering into Heaven, I am afraid that is not what Jesus Christ said there in Matthew 5 - there is no mention of Heaven in the context that those statement exists in. Also, I believe you are way off when it comes to the meaning given by Jesus Christ Himself there in that context when it comes to the word "perfect".

3. As to your claim that God sees the "perfect" Jesus Christ whenever He sees you, I am afraid that is not according to the teachings of Jesus Christ as Jesus Christ made no such claims that can be found anywhere in the gospels. If I am wrong, can you please provide a reference for this claim you make suggesting that whenever God sees one of His New Covenant followers, He instead sees Jesus Christ, the "perfect" one?

I'm afraid you're digressing into the concept of substitution. Whereas this discourse is on whether or not anyone can live without committing sin.
I showed you sins in the bible which can easily ensnare any human being. I wanted to know if you think anyone can overcome them viz Pride, Stubbornness, Lust, Fearfulness, Love of money, Not doing what you know is right, etc

Kobojunkie:
Ok @Myer, I am going to need your help with this one cause you have lost me with this one.

Now you tell me how the passage supports your claim that
* no man can live without sin
* or that sin is defined elsewhere except by Jesus Christ Himself, for those of us who are of the New Covenant agreement?

Help me out here man... I really need to know where you are headed with this one cause I am scratching my head to understand exactly what it is you are going with this. Tell me what it is I am hearing from Jesus Christ here as far as what we have been on so far?

It's clear unless you choose not to see it.

Iniquity means sin/lawlessness.

So even if you call the name of Jesus, prophesy, work miracles etc but still continue to sin, you can't make heaven.

The condition for heaven is to be perfect as God is. ( Matthew 5:48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect. )

But here is the contradiction, since Jesus has died for your sins and now God sees the perfect Jesus whenever he sees you. How come Jesus says you cannot still make heaven if you continue in iniquity?

Kobojunkie:
you are still refusing to listen to Jesus Christ Himself who came to show you that there is a way. Why no show us where Jesus Christ Himself tells you that indeed you cannot do without sinning?

I already stated severally that Jesus Christ is the law. He is the one to look to as far as the definition of sin, not James or revelation or even the book of proverbs. If Jesus Christ did not say it is sin, no man can make it sin. That said, since the LAW of God Himself that indeed you can be free from sin. What are you still debating?

Unless you can show where the LAW of God Himself went back on His claim that those who are born of Him are no longer slaves to sin, I don't see the point of your seemingly random clipping of verses all of which don't even tell you it impossible to live above sin. None of those verses even contradict what Jesus Christ declared so why try to offer them up as reason for why you must refuse the LAW of God Himself?

You do remember that all scripture is inspired by God?
But if you insist on hearing it from Jesus

Matthew 7:21-23
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid your claim that no man can oneeed exist above sin is in direct contradiction to the claims of Jesus Christ Himself. Paul and the other apostles were never set up as standards for anyone to follow. The standard has always been, and remains Jesus Christ, for everyone who will follow Him. That Paul and supposedly others struggled, does not change the fact of Jesus Christ as the one and only standard set by God Himself, and since God says it is possible, one ought to believe that indeed it is so.

By the way, do you know what sin is?
I ask because you listed there a couple of things that you assume to be sin but are no where in the commandments that directly stipulate what sin is. For instance, fear, stubbornness, pride are not sinned... They are conditions of the human heart but nowhere does Jesus Christ stipulate that they are sins.

Doing what you know is not right is no exactly the way God defines sin in His word. No, sin is disobedience of His laws as stipulated in either of His covenants. Since we are of the New Covenant, there are given us about 46 commandments that define for us what constitutes sin.

Another one, the love of money is not listed as a sin either...having money as a god/idol is a sin however.

Back to what I said, if you believe Jesus Christ is indeed the TRUTH OF GOD then you ought to believe that GOD HIMSELF said what Jesus Christ did about sin, which is that this who live in direct obedience of His Commandments do not live in sin... According to the very Word of the living God, those who are born of His Spirit of God are no longer slaves to sin, but instead sons/children of God. Rather than living in disobedience to His Commandments(sin) those who born of the Spirit of God live in obedience to His Truth(commandments) by His Spirit.

Now, of course, much of Jesus Christ Himself says there in the gospels runs contrary to what many of you have heard from your many MoGs but remember, the judge and the standard remains Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ alone - there are no passes to be issued to anyone who falls short of thar standard..nonewhatsoever.

James 4:17
So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin.

Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Proverbs 6:16-17
There are six things that the Lord hates,
seven that are an abomination to him:
haughty eyes, lying tongue,
and hands that shed innocent blood,

1 Samuel 15:23
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because you have rejected the word of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king.”

So you see sin is inevitable. What a Christian has is the blood of Jesus speaking mercy.

Kobojunkie:
Not everyone sins!
Of course that is not what your pastors, who trade in lies, have told you is the case, but the truth is not everyone sins. All most definitely have sinned(past tense) but not everyone continues to sin(present future).

There are indeed those who are no longer slaves to sin.... They are instead transformed through a rebirth by the Spirit of God into sons of God. Yes, those who obey the commandments of Jesus Christ are no longer slaves to sin, and yes, they are living breathing humans, just like you and I and the many pastors and prophets out there.

The standard had never been men who call themselves pastors and preachers but instead Jesus Christ - the Spirit of Truth Himself. Billions walk blind and have lost sight of the truth of God - Jesus Christ - seeking instead pastors, much like the unbelievers seek out babalawos and psychics, for advice and guidance.

No man except Jesus can overcome sin. Even Paul had his sin which he begged God to take away.

Do you love money? You're a sinner.
Do you still fear? You're a sinner.
Are you stubborn? You're a sinner.
Do you have have pride? You're a sinner.
Do you think lustfully? You're a sinner.
Do you not do what you know is right? You're a sinner.

Even James concluded that if you're guilty of one sin you're guilty of all.

We know what the bible says but how practical is it?

Sin corrupts and unfortunately everyone even your pastor still sins.

Either through lying, lust, envy, fornication/adultery, revelry, stubborness, pride, drunkenness, love of money, etc.

So what makes you think anyone can live without committing sins that corrupts

The problem is no one likes t o be corrected.

I'm sure even Linda Ikeji doesn't like her stretch marks but she is just being stuborn to admit it.

Stretch mark or not, i think she's beautiful and successful.

valentineuwakwe:
https://punchng.com/religious-fanatics-twisting-kukahs-statement-to-divert-attention-soyinka/

Exactly. Religion definitely promotes the need to create imaginary enemies. Christians find offence just because you don't believe in Jesus. Muslims find offence well in everything that doesn't support the Quran.

The only difference is Christians are not as violent as Muslims.

Hence the conclusion is religion only promotes hate while preaching love and servitude and a place called heaven.

In my office for example in my office just because you don't stand up during their prayer session you're deemed a devil.

Meaning every if you're not a Christian you're an enemy. If only Christianity promotes violence like Islam some of us would not only have been sacked but also attacked even by Christians.

Apparently the axiom Live and Let Live is not acceptable to religionists both Muslims and Christians esp in Nigeria.

Jafaar:
Go and read the story of how he died,He knew
Get your facts right

He was preparing for a crusade only to sleep and never wake up. I did have my facts right.

If he could communicate with the holyspirit he would have known when he would die.

His death came as a shocker not only to his followers but even to him.

Positive13:
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Glaswegian:
Lol.

Was there a year there was no crisis in Aso Rock?

More wisdom to your akanauche.

I actually tried to google his previous prophecles only to find that he's one of the newbies. So he's etill frying his luck.

My own question is why is it that even in a country as Christcentric as Nigeria all they see is bad prophecles and not God's blessings. Even when the bible says God good and not evil.

jesusjnr2020:
Why keep a girlfriend in the first place?

So in your bible marriage happens without girlfriend?

Your question should hqve been is he ready for marriage?

MuttleyLaff:
"¹⁶And the LORD God commanded him,
“You may eat freely from every tree of the garden,
¹⁷but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil;
for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.” "
- Genesis 2:16-17

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Did God's words, have anything about "touch it and die" in the Genesis 2:17 you referenced, hmm?

After eating did they still die?

Communication especially report is like that. Can't blame Adam from r the touch.

But how can you explain that they did not die even though God said they'd die?

And pl don't say it was a spiritual death. The body bible never mentioned such.

MuttleyLaff:
"⁴³Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you are unable to accept My message.
⁴⁴You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out his desires.
He was a murderer from the beginning, refusing to uphold the truth, because there is no truth in him.
When he lies, he speaks his native language, because he is a liar and the father of lies.
⁴⁵But because I speak the truth, you do not believe Me!"
- John 8:44

One of the reasons is because the father of lies is the devil

"¹Now the serpenta was more crafty than any beast of the field that the LORD God had made. And he said to the woman, “Did God really say, ‘You must not eat from any tree in the garden?’ ”
²The woman answered the serpent, “We may eat the fruit of the trees of the garden,
³but about the fruit of the tree in the middle of the garden, God has said, ‘You must not eat of it or touch it, or you will die.’ ”
⁴“You will not surely die,” the serpent told her.
⁵“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”"
- Genesis 3:1-5

The first lie in the Bible isnt the lie the serpent told Eve, at Genesis 3:4-5, but actually was the lie Adam told his wife, Eve for her to repeat at Genesis 3:3.

Now though this was a blatant lie but it wasn't held against Adam because there wasn't a malicious intent behind the lie, same as there weren't any behind when Abraham lied that Sarah was his sister and not his wife, when Moses told Pharaoh he only wanted his people to worship him for few days when his plan was to liberate them, when God Himself allowed a willing lying spirit to deceive the king or when Rahab lied to hide the spies from Israel, unlike the evil intentioned lie the serpent told Eve

Nobi today, yansh don dey for fowl back. From the very beginning, humankind has been adding to and twisting God's word(s) and it continues to this day, even on this thread, lmso

Which lie did Adam tell Eve? Gen 2:17 it was God who said they'd die from eating the fruit.

JesusSonOfGod:
There's no way you can make heaven, except you are born again. There's no other way, no other short cut to enter the Kingdom of God except by being born again. This is why Jesus Christ stated it and made it clear how important it is by saying "Verily verily..."

No matter how good you may be, no matter how many poor people you have helped, no matter how charitable you are and no matter how you have abstained from sin, if you are not born again, you will end up in hell.

This is not a matter of denomination, this is the truth. You can't make heaven with your self righteousness, it must be God's righteousness, which you can only receive through being born again and preserving it by living righteously. By the manifestation of the fruit of the Spirit in your life, which is also the character of Jesus Christ reflecting in your life.

Time is ticking. If you are reading this and you are not born again yet, then you are not reading this by coincidence. Come to Jesus and be saved.

To be born again, you must hear the Gospel, believe in Jesus Christ, repent of sins, confess Jesus Christ and be baptized. Then grow in faith by studying the word of God frequently. These should be done in a Bible believing church. God bless you.

John 3 : 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, He cannot see the kingdom of God.

John 3 :5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, He cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

You do understand that those heroes of faith in old testament are going to make heaven right?

anochuko01:
you don't sound like one who reads the bible... and the intentions behind what you wrote is as clear as crystal...

What's my intention? I'm curious.

zoputa:
Please throw in your contributions. Is it proper for a Christian lady to look sexy? Assuming a husband loves her looking sexy outside, is it good she dresses hot?

I don't support it anyway... If you have your own clear answers, you can add.

Have you ever picked upyour Bible to read it personally?

Esther dressed in a wy that was appealing to the king which waswhy she was selected.

Peter never said women shouldn't dress sexy but they should be more conscious of their inner beauty.
The question therefore is at what point does a woman's dressing go from Esther to Jezebel.

Omooba77:
Why does God Hate Lies according to Proverb 6:17?

God only hates lies against him. These are instances where God himself promoted lies according tothe Bible;

1. When God told Adam and Eve they would die if they ate of the fruit.
2. When Abraham lied that Sarah was his sister and not his wife.
3. When Moses told pharaoh he only wanted his people to worship him for few days when his plan was to liberate them.
4. When God hmself sent a lying spirit to deceive the king.
5. When Rahab lied to hide the spies from Israel.

Just to mention a few. Of course bible references will be provided upon demand.

Big Daddy is around the 1M range.

Price?
Interesting how you give other details but price.

thundafire:
They always look for way to steal money. Nigeria politicians are very good in that

The more important questiom is how his tomb inspires anyone. Rather his achievements are what shoud be celebrated. But of course his only achievement is being the first prime minister.

OpenYourEyes1:
If you are born-again, you are a New Person. If you don't go about having intentional sex after being a New Person, you are a virgin.

You misconstrue spiritual newness to physical newness.

When you became born again, did you physically become a child? Did you lose all the knowledge you had?
Did all the physical bruises on your body disappear?

Like wise, the hymen that was broken is not restored. The sexual experience a guy has doesn't disappear also.

There for e the term virgin cannot be used for anyone who has already had sex before. Since the husband/wife will not meet such a person as untouched but as someone who has had sex before.

Dictionary:
Virgin; a person who has never had sexual intercourse

It's possible to be celibate not virgin. A virgin is someone who has never had sex. Once you've had sex even Jesus can't chqnge that cos that woud be deception which is only what the devil does.

MaxInDHouse:
@Myer

If your church doesn't teach that you must go out to PREACH and TEACH in your neighborhood, we can understand your situation but learn to ask questions so that you will know the practical application of each verse in the Bible.
That book belongs to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES if you refuse to learn from us you will continue to argue and argue and argue with your fellow religionists out there, you will never come to agree on tenets of Christianity.

The Gifts Paul mentioned @ Ephesians 4:11

Apostles- To oversee the Christians activities throughout the earth, that's what our GB does, any misconduct of members tells on their office of oversight so they set rules guiding the Organization {Act 15:22-29} whoever rejects their guidance is no longer part of the Spiritual Family!

Prophets- To prophesy so that the Organization know what to expect in the near future. This gift is no more operational today because the Bible has been completed, there's no prophesy useful for Christians again when we know what the future holds {1Corinthians 13:8-13} so we are all acting as prophets as we go out to tell people what God says about the future!

Evangelizers- To PREACH and TEACH in our neighbourhood, this gift is what all of us stive for (including females in our midst) because it's our IDENTITY! Act 11:26

Shepherds- To shepherd God's flock, only the fittest spiritually speaking can handle this office because they must be exemplary amongst the Christians! 1Timothy 3:1-7

Teachers- To inculcate and compel others to love and fine works {Hebrews 10:24-25} this is also a special office, as members will look forward to imitating what they does! Hebrew 13:7 compared to 1Timothy 4:16


Of all these the only gift open to females in the Christian congregation is Evangelizing, apart from this all females are to learn when they are in the congregation {1Timothy 2:11-12} women are weaker vessels {1Peter 3:7} so they can disorganize the congregation therefore whatever they want to know about the affairs of the congregation, they will ask their husbands at home not to contribute in any of the administrative work {1Corinthians 14:33-35} that's the secret of PEACE within JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES Organization! 1Corinthians 14:40

Thanks for sharing. It only proves my point that preaching is for Evangelists.

360degreess:
..God prophesised about his coming.they have deceived u completely

Well prophecies can be argued that it was Jesus it was referring to. Cos even before Jesus several claimed to be the expected Messiah but could not fulfill the other prophecies that described the works of the Messiah.

So besides this verse, which other verse in the bible do you have to back up your claim where it says expressly that it was Muhammed God refered to.

MaxInDHouse:
OK i get you now, you are saying only evangelizers are to go for evangelism shey?

But let's go back to Paul's letter @ Ephesians 4:11

There it was written that some were Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, Shepherds and Evangelizers.

Please you earlier said the order to go and PREACH in their neighbourhood was given only to the 11, yet the 11 in question were Apostles, so how come they are the same people to go out evangelizing and not the Evangelizers nah?

Who is an Apostle?

360degreess:
The problem with most Christians is ignorance..Go and read the original Hebrew Bible (songs of Solomon 5:16), prophet Muhammad was mentioned by name and praised by God Almighty.But your scholars are hiding the truth from you and you are believing them blindly..

SoS 5:16 (Hebrew bible) His mouth is most sweet; yea, he is altogether lovely. This is my beloved, and this is my friend, O daughters of Jerusalem.'

How can Songs of Solomon that was written in 1000bc feature Muhammed who was born around 600ad?
Who is ignorant now??

telltimes:
It is dangerous to lifting men to the same level with the great prophet, never ever tell people that a criticism of a mere mortal is an insult on the supernatural almighty Allah just because they serve Allah. We all sere Allah/God! - Micheal A Adeniyi writes.

But you Muslims do that all the time. you equate Muhammed to the only begotten Son of God, Jesus. How insulting.

MaxInDHouse:
So you now agreed that each disciples have their assignment as followers of Christ.
Now let's treat Ephesians 4:11-13!
Apostles Paul was talking to Christians from Ephesus who wants to work for God but don't know that each disciple had his own gift.
So was is telling them that they shouldn't think of themselves too much as to feel special than one another because whether you're an Apostle, Teacher, Prophet, Shepherd or Evangelizer all are gifts from God, so you should be contented that you're privileged to work with God. The body of Christ (Congregation/Church) is what we're all working with God's Holy Spirit to build. And when the Spiritual construction of the body is complete people from near and far could SEE the works of God's Holy Spirit as the gifts are put to good use for positive result!

But there is no single member of the Christian congregation that is NOT SENT to preach and teach in their neighbourhood. Please read the Bible book of Acts of the Apostles and try to figure out if there are members of the Christian congregation back then that weren't commissioned to PREACH and TEACH!

You're still choosing to see what isn't written in the bible even when the bible has explicitly said otherwise.

He said go and make disciples, yes.

Then he chooses who will do the work of evangelist- those who will preach and win souls.
Those who will teach, those who will pastor, prophecy and the apostles.

It even specifically says not many should be allowed to be teachers because of how much judgment awaits those who mislead others.

James 3:1 My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment
Mark 9:42, Matt 18:6 If anyone causes one of these little ones--those who believe in me--to stumble, it would be better for them if a large millstone were hung around their neck and they were thrown into the sea.

So, you see that unless you're sent you will not only abuse the ministry but also mislead others with your errors and by so doing incur judgment on yourself.

But if you study your bible you will see these things yourself and not just believe everything they tell you.

MaxInDHouse:
Let's go back to that verse again!

And Jesus came and spoke to them saying "All power has been given to me in heaven and on earth, therefore go and PREACH to all the nations baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit. Teaching them to observe all the things i've commanded you and look i am with you always until the end of the world" Matthew 28:18-20

Please Mr Myer,
How many countries did the 11 Apostles reach?
How many people were baptized through them?
How many individuals did they teach personally?
Are these 11 still around today?
Has the world ended?
Is Jesus still working with the 11 today?
When did he made this statement?
Was he with the 11 alone or the 500 disciples who saw him last?
Now that none of them is here today, has that command ended?

Juxtapose the verse I shared with Ephesians 4:11-13.
Not all his disciples are sent to evangelize.

Out of the new converts he will also send some to evangelize.
The same way he chose 11 disciples out of the many disciples. He also still chooses out of the new converts who to evangelize.

Are you also a prophet? Do you speak in tongues, do you work miracles? These are according to his gifts.