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AkinwaleJJ:
You are a problem to your own soul not Christianity!

True Christians told you what makes them different from other religions but you're hell bent on faulting Christianity as you misconstrue false religions as Christians.

True Christians never said they have any form of lifestyle that makes them unique apart from the assignment given to them. But you don't want the truth you feel all religions claiming Christians are Christians even though you don't know how to distinguish between Christians and false religions.

Well let me tell you the truth you may hate me as you hate my brothers. Jehovah's Witnesses are the only Christian group today, but if you want to continue slamming your head on the wall, soothe yourself. You will never find anything worthwhile in Christendom Churches, they're not Christians!

I've met a couple of JW members in fact I've worked with some.
And what I can tell you is that some of your members were a problem at work. Very lazy , very stubborn and obviously dragging the org down. It was a celebration when one of your members decided to resign.

Yet the Bible says Joseph, David, Daniel and the 3 Hebrew brother all had an exemplary trait that made every one know they were different. It was not their evangelism.

So if you say it is evangelism that makes you a Christian then I wonder where you get your gospel from

hoopernikao:
You will really need to calm down. You will really need it here especially when you are making error in interpreting the scriptures. So bro, calm down big time.


Why was my question becoming an issue for you. I have gone beyond emotional blackmail. I asked you a simple question. Why the flare?

You said yourself here, that many Christian (you aren't counting yourself inclusive) aren't living a life Jesus wants and therefore we shouldn't be surprised that Jesus will leave the believer and accept unbeliever.

Then I asked you, will he leave you or accept you when he comes? I am sure you already see the trap you want to fall into if you answer this the reason you are agitated.

So, can we say you are part of the believers Jesus will leave behind since you aren't sure of your salvation and Jesus acceptance.

It is easy to be pointing fingers at Christians who aren't meeting up in their walk and character but now I turned the game on you, to tell me if you meet up the standard, you started throwing stones.


I will ask you again
Tell me here, if you have a perfect character and meet the standard of your message as you portray it here, if not you are part of those who will be left behind since you believe your own works and perfection is what counts when he comes. Else, then you are presenting a false teaching and you should repent and correct yourself immediately.

Who knows He can come now, please ensure you are not left behind by humbly taking to correction and this cannot happen with this high emotion you are showing. So calm down first.

I wanted to leave you both to sort this out but I couldn't, seeing you intentionally misquoting him.

He never said he was a perfect Christian. In fact his whole point is that you who claims to be a perfect could be rejected while he (whether an imperfect believer or an unbeliever) could be chosen. Because at the end of the day only God know who will make heaven.

AkinwaleJJ:
If he knew the difference by means of prophecy GIFTS then what is the significance of the thread?

What's the difference between a Christian and others?

Simple answer ~ GIFTS of PROPHECY

Please don't misquote me. It is called an analogy.
I simply said just the way JW concentrate on Evangelism, Pentecostal also concentrate on Prophecy.

Meaning if you're saying it's evangelism that identifies a Christian, then a Pentecostal could likewise say it is Prophecy.

However Christ and the 11 apostles say it is Love and Righteousness while Apostle Paul says it is Love and Faith that distinguish a Christian.

The purpose of this thread however is to prove this claim because most Christians this days don't have Love or Righteousness or Faith.

Cos most Christians have been taught that according to Paul all you have to do is have Faith in God through Jesus and you're saved.

Christians these days believe there's no need to be righteous since believing in Jesus already made the righteous before God. Hence corruption is even more multiplied among Christians than other religions.

A Christian believes as long as he has confessed Jesus Christ as his Lord and Saviour, no matter what he does, he is saved and heaven-bound.

This is probably the greatest problem of Christianity and the world at large.

hoopernikao:
I will be helping you a bit to post that Philippians here to read through.


Philippians 2:12-13
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure .

Don't read the verse 12 and forget 13. Also don't read them in isolation. Read together. They were written together.


I will give you other translations.

JB Philips
12-13 So then, my dearest friends, as you have always followed my advice—and that not only when I was present to give it—so now that I am far away be keener than ever to work out the salvation that God has given you with a proper sense of awe and responsibility. For it is God who is at work within you, giving you the will and the power to achieve his purpose.

EHV
12 So then, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed, not only when I was with you, but also now much more in my absence, continue to work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 In fact, it is God who is working in you, both to will and to work, for the sake of his good pleasure

NLT
12 Dear friends, you always followed my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away, it is even more important. Work hard to show the results of your salvation, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. 13 For God is working in you, giving you the desire and the power to do what pleases him.

Now reread all. Observe the use of work, it's meaning, it's subject, it's application.

That verse is a verse of spiritual growth not salvation from sin. Not a verse of going to heaven. But a verse to walk in the spirit, to renew mind and obedience


A closer verse to it is

Ephes 2:10

NLT
10 For we are God’s masterpiece. He has created us anew in Christ Jesus, so we can do the good things he planned for us long ago.

KJV
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


Observe also that Paul has earlier spoken of this in chapter 1 before the chapter 2 of Philippians

Philippians 1:6
For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.

If you have read the whole philippians together you would have seen this. That is why I said you need to start reading through and through.


You will see same consistency in all Paul's writings.

So the working out is to produce the good works which God has already done in you and he still same working to help you show this forth.

Like I said, it's you who isn't comprehending what you're reading.

Philippians 2:12 says work out your salavatiin, yes.
Phillipians 2:13 says it us God who will determine both your willingness to work out your salvation and also your ability to do it.

Clearly vs 13 proves it is all God's doing.

Have you not read that while Esau was yet unborn God already hated him and loved Jacob? Malachi 1:2-3, Romans 9:13

Did you not read in the Bible how God hardens people's hearts according to his desire? And how he himself prepares others for his use?

Until you read the Bible with an open mind, you will "choose" not to see these things.

It's ok anyway. I guess I wish i also didn't see these things, perhaps I would still have been a devout Christian.lol

hoopernikao:
You haven't done what I asked you to do, yet you accuse me. I pointed you to scriptures to do a reading. Why not do it first then tell me what you see through it. This is not about closed mind, it's about interpreting the scriptures.

Read the two verses you quoted with its surrounding text. You will see your error. Please do.

And your last phrase already shows you are confusing your words.

If you believe we do all things by God's grace why then say man's work is what determines his eternity. You need to stay on one, you can't do Babel in this. It's either grace or its not. You can't have a mix.


If I may asked you

How are you saved?
Are you very sure you will be saved when he comes?

In answering this, honestly pay attention to your mix up.

Won't you say you're the one mixing it up?

You claim man's choice is what determines his salvation according to the scriptures you shared.

I also simply shared scriptures which show that it is not man's choice but God's choice that determines man's salvation.

Youre the one contradicting yourself here.

shadeyinka:
I have ALWAYS prayed to YHWH!
God is just one of His titles I use.

Other Titles include Lord, Lord God, Almighty, I AM, I AM that I AM, Everlasting Father, Mighty God, El Shaddai, Merciful God etc

Well, that makes you one of very few Christians who do that. Cos Christians mostly pray to God through Jesus Christ with No mention of YHWH at all.

However back to the topic, saying Muslims and Christians don't worship the same God is just the same as saying Jews and Christians don't worship thevsame God just because of choice of the prophet.

Jews believe Moses to be their Prophet from God.

Christians believe Jesus to be their Prophets from God. However the Jews rejected Him cos he equated himself to God which God Himself had already instructed them to avoid and even stone such person to death.

Muslims believ Mohammed to be their Prophet who also shares .out if the same stories with Jews and Christians except just like the Jews he also believes no man/prophet should be equated to God.

hoopernikao:
Bro, you don't like reading bible as a whole. You like picking verses and end up making it out of context.

Bible study is the whole bible not a verse. At least the verses you quoted read the whole chapter, the whole book, the whole testament.

If you don't read all of the scriptures or read the whole discussion you will end up misrepresenting the bible.

So, firstly read through those places you quoted, I mean the whole chapter. And observe Roman 8 you quoted the discussion started from Roman 7 so read it together. Don't lift.


Philippians you quoted, by just simply reading next verse your interpretation will fall apart.

So, always pay attention to reading the whole thought of the writer.

My challenge with you is you are already closed minded. While that is a good religious trait , it also blinds you to any new understanding.

Now you claimed I'm quoting scriptures out of context. Do you mean it is not by God's Grace that we can do anything at all?

shadeyinka:
I have never prayed to Allah in my life.
Since Hausa or Arabic equivalent of God(English) is Allah: the question is which Allah? The Islamic God or the God of the Jews and Christians! The context matter, for Allah simply mean "the god"!

YHWH is the Name of the Creator of everything. Every other description are TITLES!

Have you ever prayed to YHWH or you pray to God?

hoopernikao:
You are speaking for him. Let him speak for himself. His earlier posts aren't disappearing here, at least not soon.


It's also obvious you missed the key element in a man's salvation. Salvation is not God's choice. He doesn't chose who to be saved. It is God's work alone but the decision to receive what he did for you is solely yours.

Christ died for all men. Either thief, pharisee, saducees, nairalander or scammer. He died for all.


So the key element you missed is, how then was the thief on the cross accepted and the pharisee were not. The answers were there for you to read if you chose to read with open mind.


How is a man saved, redeemed and accepted of God. It's clear in the bible

Romans 10
8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


So, a man is saved by his faith in Christ, his gospel.


What you saw in the thief was an act of faith in the person of Jesus, listen to him again

Luke 23:42
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom.

He believed there is a kingdom, and he believed Jesus's own it. He believed only Jesus can get him into it. That is the act, the faith, the repentance, the reaching out, the calling on the name, the believing with the heart. That is how the thief got saved. Not a forced actions or actions driven by sharing money on the street or philanthropist. It's a believing.

It wasn't a random salvation. He acted on the word, he acted by his believe. That is, when a man believe the gospel, he receives God's salvation.


So, can we say this in the case of the Pharisee?

Well it depends on the Pharisee you refer to. Nicodemus was one, Joseph of Arimathea too. And they followed Jesus.

So, why were many Pharisee rejected? Is it God that determine their rejection? Or they rejected the mercy, salvation and preaching of the kingdom.

As a Bible student, I am sure you know the answer now.


So, does God chooses randomly? No

Is the scripture clear on who is saved and who is of the lord? Yes.


Hence, it is a strange gospel to treat the scriptures as portraying God as inconsistent and confuse being, who only act on momentary emotions.

Lastly, take note, just a little attention to verses and reading them together with surrounding text will surely deliver us from this error of misinterpretation.

This is why the Bible is an interesting book.
While you have correctly quoted scriptures that say that Salavation s man's choice, I will also quote scriptures that say that Salvatoon is God's choice.

Romans 8:30
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.

Phillipians 2:12-13
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; for it is God who works in you both to will and to do for His good pleasure.

I hope you see here that it is not your choice or will but God's will.

MaxInDHouse:
Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Our preaching and teaching program (evangelism) was ongoing throughout. It's only face to face contact that our organization stopped globally. So we are still preaching and teaching until the end! Matthew 24:14

What is the use of the so called GIFT of prophecy nah!

I don't understand what you mean by evangelism if it is not face to face.
Cos Jesus and His disciples could have sent letters to the neighbouring cities but they rather went on a face to face evangelism even when they faced persecution, sicknesses and attacks.

But then they had the gifts of the Spirit and power of God to guide them. You clearly do not believe in the gifts of the spirit so your plight is understood. So for your family's sake you can keep hiding in the face of diseases.

Fvckyouall:
Am not sure you need fear and trembling. You just need understanding and hop for the best, No single person knows who God would chose

Well understanding is key but at the end of the day no one knows what he doesn't count as sin and yet God counts it as sin.

King Saul simply chose to spare some lives and because of that he was rejected by God.

David simply chose to count his army and God counted it as sin.

Ananais and Saphira simply chose to withhold some of their own property and donated some and because of that they were struck down by the Holyspirit

hoopernikao:
Bro, why speaking for me? You are the judge and the jury. Lol. It's an offence doing this.


I still awaits the response of Fvckyouall. Since he has described to me the unblemished and perfect loving man Jesus is coming for. I need him to convince me he (Fvckyouall) is one of those perfect being that the Messiah is so eager to meet.

From my following 8f your exchange together, he never said God only chooses the unblemished. His affirmation rests on the verses where the Bible said even unbelievers like the crucified thief were chosen to make heaven while the self-righteous Pharisees were rejected.

MaxInDHouse:
Thousands are still getting baptized now as they are studying with us on line Sir, so Covid19 only stopped face to face contact but not our ongoing global preaching and teaching program.
Thousands are still flocking into God's Organization! Matthew 28:19-20

So of what use is the gift of prophesy now to your folks who are claiming they have it?

Clearly you never passed comprehension in school.
I asked if you did any evangelism during the lockdown and you're showing pics from when the lock down was obviously relaxed.

There's no lock down anymore.

MaxInDHouse:
Where did this gift travel to when Corona virus was coming?

Same question I was asking you about your gift of evangelism. Where did your evangelism travel during the Covid Lockdown?

MaxInDHouse:
Let me answer my two questions before leaving the thread!
Most so called Christians today thought first century Christians were like angels from another planet brought here to start a movement but that's not true, it was common people like you and i that congregated as the first Church!


According to God's law Israelites are to LOVE their God and their neighbours {Leviticus 19:18} Jesus later emphasized on this reminding them the importance of those two laws! Matthew 22:37-40

But this is just the general law given to all Israelites as a nation, so Jesus introduced a new kind of LOVE in fact he called it a new commandment {John 13:34} since Jesus' followers will differ from Judaists this kind of LOVE will exist only amongst the Christians so no matter the nationality of a person once he becomes one of Jesus' disciples he must be LOVED the same way Jesus loved his followers! John 13:35

This kind of LOVE is stronger since a Christians must be willing to surrender his/her life for fellow believers if the need be, this will remind all people of the man who surrendered his life for his friends! John 15:13



There is no MANNER of any kind that distinguished Christians back then from other people, a thief and traitor like Judas Iscariot was one of Jesus' Apostles, a sceptical person like Thomas was also an Apostle of Jesus, fraudsters like Ananiah and Saphirras, adulterers like the Corinthian brother, fearful and stubborn ones like Peter, run away slave like onesimus and all kinds of people came to join them! 1Corinthians 6:11
The only difference is how they often organize themselves to go out preaching and teaching in their neighbourhood just as Jesus and his disciples used to do before his death.
That's how people back then could recognize them as followers of the Jewish carpenter who claimed he is the Christ! Act 11:26

Goodbye!

You're just an incorrigible attention lover.
After threatening, vowing and promising to leave my threads, here you are still jumping on every thread.

Well, no where in the Bible does it say Christians are identified by evangelism. Cos even Jesus and his disciples often settled down in different places and not going to preach. Waiting until they were led to move to another place.

The people of Antioch where the word Christian was first mentioned were so named because of their way of life.
Even Paul and other apostles referred to themselves as people of the way. Neaming there was a way and manner of lifestyle that they were identifiable by.

Clearly evangelism wasn't it. Cos evangelism is simply one of the 5 fold ministries. You might as well claim Christians are identified because of their gift of Prophecies or Teaching or Pastoring or Apostleship.

Clearly you only speak of evangelism because you believe your JW organisation takes evangelism most seriously among the 5 fold ministry. This is only because your organisation lacks the gift of Prophecy.

Your argument can be contested by Pentecostal churches who claim to have the gift of Prophecy saying that only prophetic Christians are Christians as some do.

shadeyinka:
I think you should know that there is a difference between a TITLE and a NAME!

OBA (king) is a title while Lamidi Adeyemi is a name
PRESIDENT is a title while Muhammadu Buhari or Joe Biden are names

God, Eloha, Allah, Olorun etc is the TITLE for the CREATOR: but His name is YHWH!

As one one claims that the God of Moses, Zachariah, Mary etc is ALSO your own God, what name other than his TITLE or ATTRIBUTE is He Called?

I am sure you know that the Creator has thousands of TITLES

Good point. So hace you ever prayed to Allah since it means God?
Clearly you do not pray to YHWH but to God. So why can't you pray to Allah?

Or because the word is mostly attributed to Muslims you can't?

mhmsadyq:
I I think you just want to disagree by all mean. But no wahala!

The President of Nigeria is the title of Buhari.
Buhari is the name of the President of Nigeria
Both statements address one person; Buhari.

YHWH is the name of God.
God is the title of YHWH.

I can as well say YHWH and all other names use to address God are TITLES. HIS name is ALLAH SWT!
Source? The Glorious Qur'an.

But Allah also addresses himself with several other names and you can call him by any of those names.

[17:110] Al-’Isrā-الْإِسْرَاء/بَنِيْ إِسْرَآءِيْل
"قُلِ ادۡعُوا اللّٰہَ اَوِ ادۡعُوا الرَّحۡمٰنَ ؕ اَیًّامَّا تَدۡعُوۡا فَلَہُ الۡاَسۡمَآءُ الۡحُسۡنٰی ۚ وَ لَا تَجۡہَرۡ بِصَلَاتِکَ وَ لَا تُخَافِتۡ بِہَا وَ ابۡتَغِ بَیۡنَ ذٰلِکَ سَبِیۡلًا ﴿۱۱۰﴾

Say: ‘Call on Allah or call on al-Rahman (the Most Compassionate), by whatever Name you invoke Him, (all) the Best Names are His...

Good point. So hace you ever prayed to Allah since it means God?
Clearly you do not pray to YHWH but to God. So why can't you pray to Allah?

Or because the word is mostly attributed to Muslims you can't?

hoopernikao:
Did you actually read and see all these from the Bible? I mean the Christian Bible? Bro, you are mixing a lot together.

Well, the God that the Bible show to us is a God that has a stable, consistent character and actions, not the one you presented above with a random, unstable attitude. He can be predicted because His words are His bounds.

I am not sure you are seeing this same God from the scriptures. If we cant know God (actions, desires, expectations) from His word, then we are of all men most miserable.

Also the Jesus you presented, looks more like a Philanthropist than a Savior of the World

I believe further and careful study will help.

Can you say God is consistent in the Bible though?

Apparently God's ways in the OT especially concerning judgment and mode of worshipping him changed in the NT. God in OT was more judgmental. While in NT God is loving and merciful being not quick in judgment so that everyone should repent.

In fact in the NT, God sent Paul to the Gentiles (Uncircumcised) with a different gospel and sent the other Apostles to the Jews (circumcised) with another gospel. Did you not notice that?

While Paul preached Faith absent works is salvation.
The other apostles preach Faith with works is dead.

From the aforementioned will you say God is consistent?

hoopernikao:
Sure it is. I am asking this based on your response. So, i want to know where you belong in the categories you explained.

You have pointed to me those who cant see/meet or choose by Jesus. And also pointed to the reasons they wont be choose.

I will appreciate your answer. So, i ask again.

Will you be chosen when Jesus comes based on all the requirements you have listed earlier?

Interesting question. But even you are not sure you'll be chosen. Which is why the Bible says work out your salvation with fear and trembling.

AkinwaleJJ:
Please i beg you, erase my username i'm not interested!
If you're irritated by comments from my christian brothers nothing can make me stay here we all belong to the same organization and our thinking is the same!

Done.
It was almost a pleasure having you here.

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks my friend, ire ákárí!
So what do you have to say on topic?

Do Christians and Muslims worship the same God?

JWs globally (represented by MaxInDHouse) say "NO"

OP Mr Myer say "YES"

So please leave my matter aside as it's causing a distraction, what's your own PERSONAL opinion on the topic?

If NO or YES substantiate with the scriptures or anything you feel like using to buttress your point thanks!

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You said you won't comment on the thread yet you can't honor your own word.
No wonder you can't honor God's words but keep twisting them.

MaxInDHouse:
Apologies on her behalf Sir, we've resolved the issue, henceforth she will never comment on your thread again nor share anything with you.
Please don't be offended by her harsh confrontation, God bless you!

You mean you have commanded her not to comment.lol
Anyway she will be missed but certainly not you.
Your false humility only works on those who don't know you. Good riddance.

shadeyinka:
1. No contradiction that:

1. Allah is the name of the chief idol in the Kaaba!
Is the same as
2. Allah is the the name of the supreme being!
claimed by Muslims

2. No contradiction that:

It is logically possible that Abdullah's Allah (an idol made of wood/stone) was upgraded by Mohammed to be like the Jehovah of the Jews (who is without an image)?

Okay!

Abraham likewise came from a background of idolatry and polytheism before the Bible said he was called to worship the monotheistic God.
How come you do not attribute the same analysis to God that maybe Abraham simply upgraded one of the idols of his father and name him God who was later name Jehovah?

Assumptions borne out of dislike of other religions are just products of religious intolerance.

There is no proof that Judaism., Christianity and Islam serve different God. Except the opinions shared by religious bigots.

shadeyinka:
Can you see how the intrigues Has to be built up upon assumptions and insinuations so as to explain àway the clearly written Word of God so as to fit within your organisations position.

What did God Himself say (in contrast with your organizational position)?

Exo 6:3:
"And I (God Himself speaking) appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them."

Maximus, note what GOD HIMSELF said (short and straight to the point!)

Contrast with your organisations position

Long and complex: explaining away what YHWH Himself has said.

Aren't you to be pitied!?
Haven't you replaced the authority of Jehovah with that of your Organisation (the voice of sinful humans)?

He's been so brainwashed by the JW organisation that he only sees what he has been taught in their schools and articles.

I always wonder how he always quotes scriptures completely out of context. And still defend it when the Bible is saying absolutely something else.

In Luke 10:26 Jesus makes a very important distinction that is still creating a lot of confusion in Christianity today;
He said to him, “What is written in the law? What is your reading of it?”

Until your reading of the Bible is at oneness with what is written in the Bible, you cannot interprete the Bible rightly.

This is the summary of the problem called Maximus.

AkinwaleJJ:
Going through your profile i found this
Corona virus humbles Christians and Muslims
Contradictions and inconsistencies in the Bible
Thanks i don't need much discussion with you no more.

Did you go out for evangelism during the Covid?
Did you receive any revelation concerning 2020 being ravaged by Covid?
Were churches and mosques not locked up during Covid?

Isn't it interesting how Christianity is about the way of Truth, yet most Christians hate to be told the truth.

haekymbahd:
Since Genesis is attributed as one of the books of Moses and it is claimed that God reveal himself to moses has "the Lord" but not to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and Co..

Is there a possibility that the author of Genesis inserted the word "the Lord" in the book of Genesis based on the fact that was the name revealed to Moses and the book was written after Moses and not during Adam or Abraham's era...

The word Lord has always been used to identify God even since the story of creation.

That the English Bible replaced the word YHWH with LORD is actually an inaccurate translation. (Google and study more on the word YHWH). Even the Jews do not mention it loosely out of reverence.

The revelation of the name YHWH to Moses is a unique revelation that is different from the Lord that had been used to describe God even before the revelation to Moses.

Lord means Master while YHWH by biblical explanation means I Am That I Am. Exodus 3:14

AkinwaleJJ:
I thought you're a lady, so this is how you treat people who speaks from the heart in response to your quest!

Thank you very much sr!

I didn't invite him to this discussion cos he is very self-righteous and condescending in his approach.

I invited you even though I knew you're JW because you are mature in your responses to discussions.

My apologies to you cos hsu your man but thats just the truth.

AkinwaleJJ:
I thought you're a lady, so this is how you treat people who speaks from the heart in response to your quest!

Thank you very much sr!

Only to people who speak in a condescending manner to others, especially when they are too proud to learn.

MaxInDHouse:
I'm sorry if my presence is not welcome please pardon my manners henceforth i'll never ever comment on your thread.
Meanwhile the Bible says people have been calling on JEHOVAH'S name before Abraham was born! Genesis 4:26
Goodbye!

Genesis 4:26
And as for Seth, vto him also a son was born; and he named him 5Enosh. Then men began wto call on the name of the Lord.

Why do you quote scriptures disporportiinaely and irrelavantly?
How does the above scripture prove that the name of the Lord Sets called upon was Jehovah?

Like I've always advised you, try studying the Bible by yourself and not just vomiting what is on your JW sites and articles.

God revealed himself at various stages in the Bible in different names according to his dealing with the person or people. To Abraham he revealed himself as God Almighty. To Moses he revealed himself as YHWH (Jehovah), yet some believe to Christians he reveals himself as Jesus Christ hence the doctrine of trinity. Also the book of revelations says he yet reveals himself to those who conquer.

So when it says in Gensis 4:26 that Seth called on the name of the Lord, it was clearly not Jehovah as God himself said he had not revealed that name to their fathers, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

If you can't indulge in intellectual engagement without being offended by all means please feel free to evacuate the building. But if you have something meaningful to contribute on this discussion, you're very welcome.

Nuttella:
It is believe after so many researches that the Allah is also called Baal.
The ones that some kings of Israel worshipped along with Ashtheroth. Both of them are fallen angels in the second heaven.

Your opinion.
If the name Baal was never mentioned in the Quran as being the same God as Allah then how can you ascribe such?

Jesus cursed those who ascribed his power to Belzebub. So unless Quran says Allah is Baal or you have proof to back up your claim, you shouldn't go casting spersions on other people's God just to prove yours is the true God.

haekymbahd:
Every religion believes this from Jews, trinitatians, Unitarian Christians, Muslims, e.t.c

Everyone thinks theirs is the real one and others are product of falling angels, Jinns .. So your perspective sha and not general

U think a particular God is a demon or falling angel while yours is also believed by others to be the demon...

You understand. That's how religion works. Every religion preaches it is the only right religion while others are idol or demon worshippers.

shadeyinka:
You see why we always take opposing sides
One person is ALWAYS going by their organizations position (even if it conflicts with plain scripture)

The other is always going by the plain scripture EVEN if it conflicts with his organisations position.

Shalom!

He seems to be blind to the fact that he doesn't worship God but worships his organisation.