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hupernikao:
Moses never gave them a temple or tabernacle to worship, they wanted it. They rejected Moses ordinance which is God dwelling in what no man's hand made.

The given of the ark, temple was as a result of rejection of God's plan.

Na was oh. Which bible are you reading?
The demands of the Israelites were;;

1. A golden calf when they thought Moses was dead where as God was giving him the 10 commandments.
2. To go back to Egypt when they thought they would die in the wilderness.
3. To have a king just like the other nations.

If you say they imposed these on Moses ,I wont argue with the fact because that was clearly stated in the bible.
But they never demanded for a temple to worship God.
God called Moses to build a tent of meeting (tabernacle) where He would appear to Moses and they would commune from time to time. Exodus 25

It was God that gave Moses the dimensions and requirements to build the tabernacle to look like God's throne in heaven, comprising of the outer courts,inner court and holy of Holies. From Exodus to Leviticus, this is clearly described.

Though it was David who later decided to build God a temple but the template was from the tabernacle God instructed Moses to build.

In conclusion, no where at any point did I say Jesus did not quote Moses or the old testament.
My bone of contention has always been that you do not agree that there was a new covenant and that Jesus' teachings and the teachings of the Apostles differ from the teachings of Moses.

Another clear difference in their teachings is that Moses was a man of battle and taught the Israelites to kill both chronic sinners and also attack and kill Gentiles and take over their lands and properties.
Jesus on the other hand taught the way of Peace. He set his eyes on spiritual warfare not physical. He even prevented his disciples from fighting to save him or themselves. He taught that those who live by the sword would die by it.

I realise we have derailed the topic of this thread for too long. So let's refocus on the topic. Perhaps we will open a different thread to continue further discussion about the old and new covenants.

hupernikao:
Okay so let's take it gradual.

Paul and Jesus explained Christ from the law and prophets.

So, I asked were they explaining the prophets or not? Were they not explaining what the prophets taught?

If they were?

Then ask yourself, what did the prophets taught in this case? You agreed it was same as what Paul and Jesus taught. The scriptures are what Paul and Jesus taught.

So, did Jesus and Paul teach old covenant? If not, how then did the writings of the prophets became old if that was the authority Jesus and Paul relied on.

You are mixing this concept together Bro.

You are still trying to prove yourself to be right and the bible to be wrong.

I have given you scriptures in the bible both from the old and new testaments that clearly stated that the old testament prophesied of a new testament.

Meaning that there was an old testament and now there is a new testament.

hupernikao:
Bro, if you are saying what the scriptures say, I will fully admit to the scriptures. But the truth here is you aren't saying the scriptures. You gave a text and I showed you that Moses preached the same thing you pointed to. So how does Moses now become the preacher of old covenant or what is different from what Jesus preached. He taught from Moses book.

You are the one who isn't ready to admit the fact that Jesus preached using Moses book. Jesus overcame temptation using Moses notes, Jesus taught his disciples using Moses jotters. How then do you say Moses is a preacher of old covenant.


You will need to understand what old covenant really mean. You have always mix the events of covenant with the documentation.

You must clear your mind on that.

Ask yourself these simple questions.

Did Moses preach life?
Did Moses preach salvation?
Did Moses preach God's love?

When Jesus said, God so loved the word.... Should not perish but hath eternal life, who was he quoting. Who presented life and death to the Israelite in Deut 30 and taught they chose life? Is that different from what Jesus said in John 3:16? Is it different from what Paul also taught in Romans 10:7-12 Bro, read them well.

I showed you that Paul literally quoted Moses in Romans 10:7-10 (Deut 30:6-10) without editing it, speaking about christ, life and salvation. He quoted exactly what Moses taught the Israelite verbatim.

Erase your mind of thinking anyone speaks from a clean slate without the authority of the scriptures. Even Jesus used the scriptures as his authority. And when you say scriptures, it literally mean Moses.

Scripture actually should mean the word of God.
And the word of God is Jesus Christ.

So even if you try to prove that Moses was quoted by Jesus and his apostles, what Moses taught was still Jesus Christ.

The point you seem not to understand and which I notice you still try to avoid is addressing the differences between the old testament and the new testament.

[quote author=NGpatriot post=109723797][/quote]Succession or Secession?
Cos all igbos and in fact all Nigerians believe in succession. Secession however is a personal choice.

Having read your post, biko change am to secession.

Tired2022:
I live in alone in a 2 bedroom apartment. I never bring prostitutes home. Everything must happen in the hotel. I live a very secluded life.

As a scientist, your should probably try counselling or therapy first. But I suspect they will only give you drugs that might have other side effects which may render you impotent or something. Though I don't mean to scare you.

I'm a Physicist myself and like I shared earlier, going on a spiritual journey helped me and it can help you too.

ccmmjjjkkk:
How much is Kazakhstan penetrated by the United States: In 2006, there were a total of 25,868 registered NGOs in Kazakhstan, with a population of 15.31 million in the same year.
Among them is Soros's Open Society Foundations, which has funded hundreds of students in Kazakhstan to study in Europe and the United States, and more than 700 journalists, with a total of more than $100 million in support of "civil society initiatives."
Today's Kazakhstan has the following chaos:
1. Kazakhstan JC also joined the protesters.
2. The merchants provided free food for the demonstrators.
3. The armored vehicles and military vehicles that suppressed the riot were chased by demonstrators and fled all over the streets.
4. Mukhtar, the leader of Kazakhstan's largest opposition, shouted "coordinated action" to protesters on Facebook.
The Whatsapp number of the contact information he posted belongs to the Ukrainian telecom operator. The exiled leader of the Kazakh villain says he wants to overthrow the regime like Kyrgyzstan, Ukraine, Georgia and Armenia.

This your caption is too sexual.
Or is it just my dirty mind?

AntiChristian:
So what is Faith according to Jesus?

Good question.
Jesus did not define faith. But identified and acknowledged it in different people, mostly before he healed them.

By observing these people, they all shared a common denominator- they trusted in Jesus' ability to save them and they followed through by their actions.

Kobojunkie:
God gave the centurion a command to act on. And in obedience, the centurion stepped up to Jesus Christ to ask Jesus Christ for help in the manner that he did.

We can't ascertain that since that is not contained in the bible.
Cos if that was simply the case Jesus would probably not have marvelled so.

Ryda:
Pot don see kettle finish that's why

Lol this one offed me.

I even expected him of all people to be more understanding of Okposo's plight.
If God forgive person sin, shebi bible talk say make him self dey fit forgive others?

Anyways, most pastors and choir leaders have a lot of confessing to do.
They are at a pedestal where temptations bombard them beyond normal.

The challenge is to be able to identify and separate the wheat from the tares as explained in the parable.

NNTR:
Hebrews 11:1, 6
'1Now faith is the assurance (title deed, confirmation) of things hoped for (divinely guaranteed),
and the evidence of things not seen [the conviction of their reality
—faith comprehends as fact what cannot be experienced by the physical senses].
6But without faith it is impossible to [walk with God and] please Him,
for whoever comes [near] to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists
and that He rewards those who [earnestly and diligently] seek Him'

2 Corinthians 5:7
'for we walk by faith, not by sight
[living our lives in a manner consistent with our confident belief in God’s promises]'

Faith, is akin to the first step, at the bottom of a stairs, you take, even when you don't see the whole set of stairs

None of us knows, what might happen, even in the next one minute, yet still, we move, we go forward. Why? It is because we trust. It is because we have faith, loll.

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

The bolded is exhibited by every human and animal. Not only believers.

So my question to that is, do animals have faith?

I believe you understand the scriptural connotations of faith but perhaps you can't aptly put it in words.

hupernikao:
And as per the Old covenant. You are the one who is mixing things up.

What I told you was that what you called New was actually a renewal. It was called old because of Israel rejection not the covenant itself. Moses taught exactly what Jesus taught. And I have shown you the scriptures.

The rejection of Moses is what is taken as old covenants not the teaching of Moses.

Moses taught life, was that life different from what Jesus taught?

Moses was the foundation of God's promise. Jesus was only fulfilling what Israel refused to fulfill.

Not sure we can exhaust this here. Hopefully one day we will be able to see and compare things we'll. But before then know that


Moses was the preacher of the law of spirit of life and also in it we found the law of sin and death. Man then has a choice to make, either life or death. This is Moses doctrine and what Jesus preached too.

If I may ask, are you humble enough to accept and admit if you find out you're wrong?

Cos on this issue of Old and new covenants, it's been clearly stated in the scriptures I shared with you both from the old testament and news testament.

I believe we have exhausted that discussion already.

hupernikao:
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Let me make this discussion easy. When the Bible say scriptures what book/books was it referring to? I hope you know it was referring to the writings of Moses and the prophets. That was all they had in their days.

The scriptures (in Jesus day), was OT texts.

Now note.

Paul called OT text
The word of God Romans 10:17
Holy scriptures 2 Tim 3:15
Gods breath vs 16

Paul said, it CONTAINS. the explanation of the death burial and resurrection of Jesus.

1 Cor 15:3-4
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:


Jesus said it contain the story of his suffering and glory,

Luke 24:26
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?

27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

He taught them from Moses all about his resurrection. That is Jesus used Moses notes to teach.

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Do you know that in Jesus days, the word scriptures, will simply means the teachings of the prophets.

A simple starter, any where you see the word scriptures in the Bible first replace it with what it truly means in their time, Genesis to Malachi, the old testament writing or the teachings of the prophets.

Then explain how Jesus and the apostles taught from the teachings of the prophets without teaching what the prophet taught.

Everytime Jesus teaches, his authority is the scriptures (the teachings fo the prophets, Moses). Except you want to claim Jesus didn't use the scriptures to teach.

You're distgressing.
This is why I say theologians only complicate the simple bible.

Scripture simply means the writings in a holy book.
Of cos in the days of Jesus it referred to the old testament.
Today both the old and the new can be referred to as scriptures.

When Paul, Apollos and Jesus explained through the Laws and Prophets about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus, they simply explained the scriptures that prophesied it.

This discussion isn't about the new testament dropping from heaven without any relationship with the old testament. We know it is a continuation of it.

This discussion is about the simple fact that there was an old testament and now there is a new testament.
Testament in case you don'tknow is just synonym for covenant. So those who canonized the bible already made it easy when they divided it into 2 sections.

In one of my previous replies, I shared some of the major differences between the old testament and teachings of Moses and the new testament and teachings of Christ and the Apostles. I was surprised you ignored that.

By the way, there are so many differences between the old and new covenant.

1. Mode of Worship
Moses taught that God must be worshipped in a physical temple. Jesus taught that we are the temple of God as long as the Holyspirit dwells in you.
And no longer would anyone have to go to Jerusalem but those who worship the father, worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24
Which explains reason number 2.

2. Sabbath
Moses taught that Saturday (the day God supposedly rested) should be declared work-free and even a sin to perform any work on sabbath.
Jesus taught that he is the Lord of Sabbath and it is ok to do the work of his father such as healing, etc.
And eventually this would lead to the changing of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday (the day Jesus supposedly resurrected). Since Sabbath no longer holds any meaning in Chisstianity.

3. About Sin and Forgiveness.
Moses taught that only God can forgive sins. In fact he created several atonement for various degrees of sin.
Jesus taught that He could forgive sins and even taught that every Christian can forgive sins. John 20:23

4. About the Temple
Moses received the detailed template of the temple supposedly from God,from the length, breath, with, height and even the weight. He received instruction as to the 3 chambers-outer court, inner court and Holy of Holies. And the High priest that could conduct certain rights.
The death of Jesus supposedly tore the veil of the holy of holies. And by this the veil was open. Any one could not gain access to the Holy of holies without being a high priest.

5. About Israel and the Gentiles
In the old covenant Moses received, God separated the Jews from the Gentiles (the rest if the world including you and I).
But in Christ, there is no dichotomy. We are all children of God once we place our faith in Christ.

There are certainly much more differences, but as time would permit, this is all I can share for now.

hupernikao:
Jesus isn't worship as God. He is God.

Exactly why the Pharisees considered him blasphemous. Cos it contradicts the teachings of Moses.
Bear in mind that it sounds normal to is today to refer to yourself even as son of God talk less of referring to yourself as God. But before Jesus it was blasphemous.

Kobojunkie:
You misunderstand! I didn't say that all of God's commandments to us, especially as individuals are those only housed in His Covenant.

You say the centurion was a Roman but that Roman understood quite well how God's power and authority works over even sickness, how and where did He get that understanding from?

And did the centurion know to approach Jesus Christ with that knowledge he had of authority and him having similar power over afflictions and sickness?

I don't quite follow.

How is that obedience to God's commandment?

Tired2022:
I live in alone in a 2 bedroom apartment. I never bring prostitutes home. Everything must happen in the hotel. I live a very secluded life.

No matter how disciplined you are, once in a while you must have broken this your rule.

LeyeWrites:
You could have made sense.

Not everything online is for every audience.
I make sense to people of evolved minds, not numskulls.

Omicronvaccine:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CZGo6ZytAEA/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link

Lol interestingly I don't see any female commenting on this post. Even the feminists agree she took it too far.

Tired2022:
I'm a scientist, so I know I'm clearly addicted. I just had to create this account to stay anonymous because what I'm about to spill is so shameful to me. Even worse, is that I don't know what the end will be because I lack total control of my third leg.

Alright guys, my dick is my only problem right now. In fact I feel so depressed and traumatised.

I have everything going well for me, I make enough money to buy just anything moderate. I have not been to the hospital for over a decade because the need never arised.

So what's my problem? I can't answer that question because I'm so confused. I know I'm addicted to prostitutes and I haven’t been able to tame this dick of mine.

I'm a very shy guy, I find it hard to socialize with men not to talk off the opposite sex. So, I started with masturbation which lasted over a decade. Then I started making good money, I felt masturbation wasn't what I want, that I had to stop it.

I started visiting prostitutes. Its over 5yrs now, and all I want is to Bleep them all. Yeah, that's how I feel. Bleep all the women, yet I can't even approach one. So, I go for the easy way, prostitutes!

My biggest problem right now, isn't that I'm so addicted to prostitutes or spending money (over 70k every month), but I have had 35 prostitutes without protection. I'm so mad right now because I just bleeped a public toilet without protection. It's the only reason I decided to share this with you all. I'm sufferingggg...............

I have decided to get a girlfriend, I wish to marry next year, but I'm so ashamed, I don’t deserve any woman. Apart from the prostitutes I had without protection, I have had sex with 102 prostitutes in total. And I'm just 33yrs. Gosh! I feel so dirty!

I'm so obsessed with women, and I feel masturbation is the culprit. I fear more that I may not stop even if I have the most beautiful girl on earth by my side. I read the story of a lady who claimed her husband was obsessed with prostitutes in Canada, it shocked me so hard.

Is there anyone who has faced same predicament as mine? How did you win? No woman is safe with me, not even minors because I can't control this dick of mine.

Without alcohol, prostitutes are never attractive to me. So, I must take some alcohol to be in the mood.

Last night, on my regular routine, after drinking alcohol, I met this chubby lady. She was so sexy. I told her exclusively, I find it hard having sex without condom, that I only wanted her to give me a handjob. I pay well, so this girls know me already, it's a fight to have me in their room.

She gave me a Mouth Gig which I wasn't okay with, but I felt save to some extent. After giving me Mouth Gig for a long while, I didn't reach climax. I started mastubating, hoping to reach climax. Still it didn't happen. The lady was already like, f××k me without condom, but don’t release inside. I was contemplating in my mind, Gosh! Not again. Eventually, I reasoned, f××k it! I had her without protection and it took less than 5 minutes for me to reach climax.

This is exactly the same scenario that plays out in all my shameful adventures with these women. And I'm so feld up right now.

I can go on and on, but I don't like writing long epistles. Gosh! I have sex evey 2 days! I can't even go just 1 week without sex. Although I haven’t masturbated in the last 5 yrs, addiction to prostitutes is killing me. How do I even stop this whole sh××t? I feel suicidal.

Please note, it took me a whole lot to share my problem here. I won't take it funny with anyone who says this isn't real. I just want your honest opinion (castigation or advice), please state it. If you don't have anything to say, please and please keep you fuxcking mouth shot.

Cc lalalasticlala, mynd, I want more opinion on my predicament. Thanks!

Good thing you're a scientist, so I can see from your post that your analysis is on point.

You've stated the most crucial point, you find it hard to socialise with men and women. So you resorted to what you could easily do via mastirnation without any need for others and patronising prostitutes which you can do as long as you have the money.

What I will prefer might seem a bit far fetched but I always believe in giving God a chance.
I'm not a religious person but I know that things happen in churches and mosques that have made them stand the test of time and remain relevant and thriving for centuries and even millennia.

Whichever one you feel obliged to try, either church or mosque, embark on a spiritual journey to find God.

And I can assure you that somewhere along the line,you will find the solution to your problem.

But please do not stope your habit immediately... ease yourself into it and stop progressively.
Because if you stop abruptly, chances are you will be wound up and eventually you might relapse and become even worse than you are presently.

So take your time to reduce it gradually until you're able to stop it.

Once you find where you want to commit yourself to,either church or mosque. I won't advice any other for now in Nigeria cos these are the dominant religions, please make sure you submit yourself to whatever they require of you.

If they ask you to join a foundation class, pls do.
If the mosque has their demands, pls oblige (as long as they dont ask you to bomb anyone).lol no offense to my Muslim friends.

hupernikao:
Bro, Pharisees never taught Moses. Take the scriptures on face value. Jesus said they weren't teaching Moses, that they don't even believe Moses. You must do all you can to believe that, because that's the word of God. You need to allow that thought to flow from the scriptures.

The Pharisees were just like Israel, they never believed Moses they rejected his words, they needed their own. That rejection of Jesus is same as what happened to Moses with the Israelite. They never believed God. They just want to enjoy miracles but not ready for obedience.

Don't you wonder how Jesus used Moses extensively to teach.

Even in temptation he quoted Moses in all the 3 temptations to overcome temptation.

yet you said he didnt teach what Moses taught. So why used Moses materials, patents, Moses words. We can safely claim Moses wrote all the books of the Bible if you read the Bible as it should. All writers were by extension Moses disciples. You will have to embrace that Bro. It's the word of God.

The problem is that you are now a victim of your own eisegesis.
Jesus never agreed with the Pharisees because his doctrine was different from theirs. So when he said they did not believe Moses, he was simply making a point.

It was the same Jesus that acknowledged that the Pharisees were the teachers of the Law.
They taught what Moses taught but they also did not practise all that they preached which was the point Jesus made when he said they did not believe Moses.

Matthew 23:2-4
The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, 3 so  do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practe.
4 They tie up heavy burdens, hard to bear and lay them on people's shoulders they themselves are not willing to move them with their finger.


If you notice, I take my time post scriptural references that 100% back up my points.

Just like I explained to you and quoted the scriptural references of Jeremiah and Hebrews where the bible stated that God himself promised to give a new covenant. Is it that you do not agree that God said through Moses, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Joel etc that he will give a new covenant?

Because it is clearly stated in these verses.
Moses that you quotet in cluding the other prophets simply prophesied the event that would happen in the future, that God will give them a new covenant.

And in Christ the prophecy came to pass and the new covenant was given.

By the way, there are so many differences between the old and new covenant.

1. Mode of Worship
Moses taught that God must be worshipped in a physical temple. Jesus taught that we are the temple of God as long as the Holyspirit dwells in you.
And no longer would anyone have to go to Jerusalem but those who worship the father, worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24
Which explains reason number 2.

2. Sabbath
Moses taught that Saturday (the day God supposedly rested) should be declared work-free and even a sin to perform any work on sabbath.
Jesus taught that he is the Lord of Sabbath and it is ok to do the work of his father such as healing, etc.
And eventually this would lead to the changing of Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday (the day Jesus supposedly resurrected). Since Sabbath no longer holds any meaning in Chisstianity.

3. About Sin and Forgiveness.
Moses taught that only God can forgive sins. In fact he created several atonement for various degrees of sin.
Jesus taught that He could forgive sins and even taught that every Christian can forgive sins. John 20:23

4. About the Temple
Moses received the detailed template of the temple supposedly from God,from the length, breath, with, height and even the weight. He received instruction as to the 3 chambers-outer court, inner court and Holy of Holies. And the High priest that could conduct certain rights.
The death of Jesus supposedly tore the veil of the holy of holies. And by this the veil was open. Any one could not gain access to the Holy of holies without being a high priest.

5. About Israel and the Gentiles
In the old covenant Moses received, God separated the Jews from the Gentiles (the rest if the world including you and I).
But in Christ, there is no dichotomy. We are all children of God once we place our faith in Christ.

There are certainly much more differences, but as time would permit, this is all I can share for now.

So please, do not deny the obvious truth. Hebrews 8 even confirms this, there was an old covenant which also prophesied the coming of a new covenant.
And the new covenant is in Christ.

hupernikao:
You may need to buttress your point for clarity. How does the two information you wrote contradict and how does that prove Jesus never taught Moses?

His point is that Jesus taught that he was both the son of the God and also the Father in human flesh.
Hence he referred to himself as a God. Which is why Pentecostals and Trinitarians often worship Jesus as God.

Kateland:
Nna na WA oh. This one na news?

Na news because she is a brand.
If person like you talk am,nobody cares because you no get branding.

But for someone like her, her fan base cares.
Just try make am for this life, e get why.

sonmvayina:
He is a "nobody"...

That's a reason.
Also his teachings were considered blasphemous to the teachings and laws of Moses.
Also he introduced new covenant.
He also would forgive people's sins as if he were God.

So considering these reasons it's difficult to blame the Pharisees and Saducees for not accepting him.

hupernikao:
Let me try to clear this for you.

The Hebrew 8 narrative were taken from Moses writings. Moses wrote both what you called old covenant and new covenant.

I said earlier that you have to ask yourself when ever you read a NT text, ask yourself where the writer was reading in OT for him to be able to write what he wrote because no NT writer wrote from a clean or empty slate. They wrote from reading the scriptures (OT).

So where was the writer of Hebrew writing from? Of course, Moses, because that very text was taken from Ezekiel and Jeremiah who were students of Moses.

Ezekiel 36:26-28
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God


Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people


They both read Moses. Their prophecies wasn't from an empty slate. It was taken directly from Moses spirit and inspiration.


Now let me give you where they copied it from in Moses writing. It was a copy of Moses text that they explained.

Deuteronomy 30:6
And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live

That is what Moses preached to his audience. That is what you called new covenant but Moses preached same to them. It was preached as far back as Adam's time.

Observe Moses preached circumcision of the heart, and then circumcision of the flesh. He preached both.

Moses called the receiving of the spirit as circumcision of the heart.

Ezekiel called it new spirit.
Hebrew writer too.

It's the same.

Observe the word "that you may live" as uses by Moses. That's what NT writer explain as eternal life.

Moses preached it.

That is its through circumcision of the heart (in NT language: receiving of the spirit), that man will live (in NT language: man receives life eterna

That means, once again, no inspired doctrine you see in the NT that doesn't originate from Moses. Including what Jesus and Paul taught. Anyone who must stand to teach or prophesied by God, must take from Moses spirit. Remember the 70 elders?


So, I implore you to take your time to read Deut 30 and all of Moses as I said before and juxtapose with all the teaching in the NT.

May God grants us more understanding.

I believe I should ask you at this point, are there any differences in the message Jesus Christ taught and the teachings of Moses?

hupernikao:
No Sir, God's covenant in Christ was first spoken to Adam, preached and written by Moses, fulfilled in Christ.

Moses we can say, is the custodian of it, the pacesetter of it and preached same to Israel.

Hope to read from you in due time.

Have a good day

Please you have to question your theology if it continues to say one thing, while the bible says
another thing.

Theology is when you try to see God's salvation plan in every event of the scriptures. Good. It started since God promised that Adam's son would crush the head of the serpeant and it would bruise his heel.

But what the bible says concerning God's covenants however is clear;
There was an old covenant and there is now a new covenant. Jeremiah 31 prophesied this and Hebrews 8 confirms and expounds on it.
In Jeremiah there was a promise of a new covenant in the future.
In Christ that prophesy was fulfilled and the new covenant was established as expounded in Hebrews.

Jeremiah 31:31-34
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make pa new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when qI took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, rthough I was their husband, declares the Lord. 33 sFor this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: sI will put my law within them, and I will write it ton their hearts. uAnd I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ vfor they shall all know me, wfrom the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord. For xI will forgive their iniquity, and yI will remember their sin no more.”

hupernikao:
Let me try to clear this for you.

The Hebrew 8 narrative were taken from Moses writings. Moses wrote both what you called old covenant and new covenant.

I said earlier that you have to ask yourself when ever you read a NT text, ask yourself where the writer was reading in OT for him to be able to write what he wrote because no NT writer wrote from a clean or empty slate. They wrote from reading the scriptures (OT).

So where was the writer of Hebrew writing from? Of course, Moses, because that very text was taken from Ezekiel and Jeremiah who were students of Moses.

Ezekiel 36:26-28
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules. You shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers, and you shall be my people, and I will be your God


Jeremiah 31:33
But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people


They both read Moses. Their prophecies wasn't from an empty slate. It was taken directly from Moses spirit and inspiration.


Now let me give you where they copied it from in Moses writing. It was a copy of Moses text that they explained.

Deuteronomy 30:6
And the Lord your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your offspring, so that you will love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live

That is what Moses preached to his audience. That is what you called new covenant but Moses preached same to them. It was preached as far back as Adam's time.

Observe Moses preached circumcision of the heart, and then circumcision of the flesh. He preached both.

Moses called the receiving of the spirit as circumcision of the heart.

Ezekiel called it new spirit.
Hebrew writer too.

It's the same.

Observe the word "that you may live" as uses by Moses. That's what NT writer explain as eternal life.

Moses preached it.

That is its through circumcision of the heart (in NT language: receiving of the spirit), that man will live (in NT language: man receives life eterna

That means, once again, no inspired doctrine you see in the NT that doesn't originate from Moses. Including what Jesus and Paul taught. Anyone who must stand to teach or prophesied by God, must take from Moses spirit. Remember the 70 elders?


So, I implore you to take your time to read Deut 30 and all of Moses as I said before and juxtapose with all the teaching in the NT.

May God grants us more understanding.

I like to digest your thoughts before replying. I've been pretty busy this past few days. Once I am able, I will respond to this.

But what I can tell you from your first paragraph is that every covenant before Jesus Christ was the old covenant. The new covenant started with Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkie:
Faith is as explained in scripture, a direct product of our honoring God... a currency earned through our direct obedience of His commandments to us.

Luke 7:6-9 Matthew 8:10

And Jesus went with them. When he was not far from the house, the centurion sent friends, saying to him, “Lord, do not trouble yourself, for I am not worthy to have you come under my roof. 
Therefore I did not presume to come to you. But say the word, and let my servant be healed.
For I too am a man set under authority, with soldiers under me: and I say to one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and to another, ‘Come,’ and he comes; and to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.” 

When Jesus heard these things, he marveled at him, and turning to the crowd that followed him, said, “I tell you, not even in Israel have I found such faith."
And when those who had been sent returned to the house, they found the servant well.


In this passage, Jesus marveled at this man's faith.
Bear in mind that this is a centurion,most likely a Roman and not an Israelite.
Also he did not obey any commandment,he simply believed and trusted that Jesus could heal his servant with just a command and not having to come to his house since he was unworthy of hosting or being in the presence of Jesus

So this negates your definition of faith as obedience to God. Honour is truly reflected here.

But what I believe captured the heart of Jesus was that he trusted his ability to save his servant even with just a command. He had a conviction that Jesus could accomplish anything.

Kobojunkie:
I am afraid faith is none of the above! All those are ideas are of the doctrines and traditions of men where faith is concerned and not of scripture.

Consider that the author of Hebrews 11 wasn't meant as a definition for the word "faith" but instead to provide a description for faith instead.

What then is faith?

hupernikao:
1. Firstly, if what you refer to as OT and NT is the scriptures, then we have nothing as such. All scriptures are God's breath, God's word. Word of Grace.

2. Jesus never had any new law. Like I said earlier, Jesus only preached and brought to fulfillment all Moses wrote. Infact Moses is the custodian of the scriptures, Jesus came to fulfill it not to give a new one.

Observe, Moses, preached both sin and death, also life (Deut 30). That's exactly what Jesus preached too and the apostles. Hence, Moses and Jesus never gave two different explanation.


3. New covenant isn't as related to Moses writing or commandments. Covenant was had with Israel, which they rejected, the new simply means a renewal, not a new as in absolute different. It was a renewal of that covenant Israel rejected. To be the custodian of God's message to the world. That is the world to receive the spirit through their obedience, but they rejected it.
This is what was renewed in Christ. Not a new covenant.

So, the writing of Moses wasn't what was renewed, the writing of Moses told them God's plan, God's covenant for Israel to the world, they rejected Moses and disbelieve the covenant. Then they perished. Notice, they rejected and perish. In NT language that is rejecting life and perish. JOHN 3:16


Hence, covenant of God from Adam till eternal is same, all you had all through is a renewal.

- Adam same, cover the earth Gen 1:26-28
- Noah a renewal, cover the earth
- Men later rejected and made name for themselves, Gen 11.
- Abraham (Gen 12), a renewal, cover the earth
- Moses to fulfill this through Israel but israel rejected it. (notice this was based on what God promised Abraham, in your seed..)

- Jesus a renewal, cover the earth
- Today fulfilled in us in Christ. The glory of God covering the earth.

It's the same story, covenant, plan and project of God. That's the story of the bible. One story not two.

I beg to differ. Though they both point in the same direction. There are certainly 2 different covenants- the old and the new.
And the old has been made obsolete in Christ.

Hebrews 8:
They serve a copy and shadow of the heavenly things. For when Moses was about to erect the tent, he was instructed by God, saying, “See that you make everything according to the pattern that was shown you on the mountain.” 
But as it is, Christ has obtained a ministry that is as much more excellent than the old as the covenant he mediates is better, since it is enacted on better promises. 
For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion to look for a second.

8 For he finds fault with them when he says:
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord,
when I will establish a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt. For they did not continue in my covenant, and so I showed no concern for them, declares the Lord.
For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws into their minds, and iwrite them on their hearts, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
 11  And they shall not teach, each one his neighbor and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall jall know me, from the least of them to the greatest.
For I will be merciful toward their iniquities, and I will remember their sins no more.”

13 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

hupernikao:
All you listed above that Jesus did was exactly what Moses taught. Jesus came to do what Moses already taught not something different.

Note this and read it again. The Pharisees never did what Moses instructed, they did what they wanted. I gave you a scriptures earlier that should clear all these.
Jesus himself said the Pharisees didn't do what Moses said, that what Moses said is exactly what he (Jesus) is doing. Hence his rejection is Moses rejection.

John 5:46 please read this well.
46 If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me.(BC) 47 But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?

Notice the emphasis, THEY DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT MOSES WROTE.

that is an express statement that should guide your interpretation of the Pharisees doctrine.

So, Jesus wasn't correcting Moses, he was correcting the Pharisees.

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Secondly, for you to say Moses didn't preach eternal life is a slap on him. The doctrine of life eternal was Moses concept and didn't originate from Jesus. Bro, you are reading scripture in silos.

A simple rule of Bible interpretation is to findout who owns a term or usage of word in the Bible.


Moses is custodian and originator of most terms in the OT and NT. Terms such as

Life
Heaven and earth
Ark
Worship
Light
Etc.

You can't read any other author without tracing this to Moses.

Jesus read Moses and he was interpreting Moses. So when Jesus taught eternal life he wasn't introducing a new concept but teaching what Moses taught.

The first mention of life eternal in Bible was used by Moses and called it tree of life (Gen 2). Note in Gen 3 he told you the tree is for living for ever. How then do you say he never taught eternal life.


Paul taught eternal life and salvation in christ, by quoting Moses verbatim.

Read Deut 30 from verse 10. Compare to Romans 10 from verse 6.

He was quoting Moses verbatim in teaching life.

This is same as everyone in the Bible who is God's prophets and apostles.


Read this well.
NO ONE USED OF GOD IN THE BIBLE SPEAK OUTSIDE WHAT MOSES TAUGHT. NO ONE. INCLUDING JESUS.

Why?

It's the same inspiration, purpose, plan, spirit and God, hence they spoke the same.

I will sincerely advise you have a second look at Moses writings and theology. It will change your whole Bible explanation.

Today having read the teachings of Jesus Christ, you might be able to say Moses taught the same things as Jesus.
But before the understanding of the teachings of Jesus; you might see it as completely different from the teachings of Moses.
I hope you can answer the following questions with biblical references;

1. Is there any difference between the old testament and the new testament?

2. Is there a reason why God gave the laws of Moses and gave Jesus a new law which Jesus himself acclaimed?

3. Why do you think there was a need for a new covenant, if Moses' laws were the saw as what Jesus came to teach?

Ayietim:
I have no intelligent response to your question. But please permit me to ask you some questions and make some suggestions

What's reality? Is reality evidenced by only what we could see and touch? Or the true reality is the manifestation of a dream; of the invisible?

Think about all inventions we have, in what form did they exist before they became the form we all could see and touch? They all began as some people's dreams. Dreams that became passions that seduced their owners, won their love, stole their time and extracted total devotion from them.

Haven't these inventions made life easier and more comfortable? If they have, wouldn't it be fair to conclude that we could only go back to the beginning by expressing our temporary existence in love?

Ideas that have been proven true have come to pass.
The idea of heaven or after life is only evidenced by someone dying and going to heaven or hell and having a second chance to recount it.
And not just one but more than one witness.

The idea of heaven is more than 4000 years old yet no proof, no evidence.
The only reason you believe it is that it was mentioned in the bible. Both Jesus and David also mentioned Sheol as an after life . Besides that no other proof.

Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11.1

Following God, Christ, Christianity is based on faith.
However, what does the verse above mean?

This is important for any believer because Luke 18:8 asks if on the last day, Christ will find faith on earth.

What then is this faith?
I hope we can explain the 3 different Faiths elaborated below;

1. Is Faith waiting on God for his divine direction before making any decision?

2. Is Faith praying for your heart desire and trusting on God to make his word good?

3. Is Faith believing in Jesus Christ and nothing else matters?

Dtruthspeaker:
Change of Post! We are not talking about experiencing forever but about rich vs poor, which is better!

You likewise know that rich is better.
Just that you have been promised that you will be rich in the forever after death. Instead of being rich now that your alive.