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Kobojunkie:
The claim in bold is untrue.

Jesus Christ was clear as far as the sinners He came to call/deliver - the Lost sheep of Israel aka Old Covenant sinners. He never left that a mystery, neither did He any of God's Truth - commandments as far as the New Covenant is concerned.

I can only tell you what the bible says.
Whether you accept it or not is your prerogative.

Kobojunkie:
You hold the opinions of Paul over God’s own judgement as declared by Him in Genesis 3 vs 19 - 22?

Anyways, let's examine what Paul in fact said in his letter.....
I am afraid your claim that "we all became sinners" because of Adam is not of Paul either.

If you read, carefully, what Paul wrote there in the passage above, Paul opined instead that we were all condemned by God for Adam's sin with Death as the condemnation of Sin aka God's curse.

I'm glad you esteem Christ.
So I just have a question for you.

Do you mean that the sin of Adam is more potent than the sacrifice of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
1. There is no scriptural evidence of the claim in bold either.
What scripture says is that through Adam, we all inherited God's judgement/curse against sin instead- Genesis 3 vs 16 - 22

2. Sin is the direct disobedience of God's commandments as stipulated in God's Law to which we are bound. Those who are outside of God's Law are called unbelievers as they are not bound to any of God's Laws hence they have no sins to atone for this since sin is defined under Law not outside of it.

Jesus Christ is God's Law and Truth by which those who belong to Him are called to Live their lives in obedience to. Those who believe in Him but refuse to obey His commandments are those described as enemies of Jesus Christ- John 15 vs 14 - sinners of the New Covenant.

I clearly stated the scriptural reference bro. Romans 5:18-19

Therefore, as one trespass6 led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness7 leads to justification and life for fall men. 19 For as by the one man’s gdisobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man’s hobedience the many will be made righteous.

AntiChristian:
That 1 John 2:2 was not said by Jesus himself. Jesus didn't say anywhere that he'll die for anyone's sin!

People inserted this thought in the Bible!

Biblically the reason he never said that is because it's meant to be God's secret plan aka mystery.
Otherwise they wont have killed him. 1 Corinthians 2:8

siofra:
Bloggers take your time

Why is this even news? What do we do with it? Why did I even open this thread

It will inspire his fans to spread love and not hate.
It will generate traffic (and more money) for the bloggers.
It will make wizkid trend as you and I are talking about him. Hence probable endorsements.
It will make Davido fans choke.
It will either make Davido reach out to squash their beef or also choke like his fans.

Need more? Lol

Kobojunkie:
No interpretation but basic language comprehension needed here..

■ Jesus Christ came to take away the sins of Old Covenant Law of Moses sinners aka the Lost sheep of Israel who He was sent to ransom from the Old Law - Matthew 10 vs 6 & Matthew 15 vs 24 - welcoming them instead to a New Covenant with God - Matthew 26 vs 28 - 30

■ Of those who belong in His New Covenant Law, Jesus Christ said that it is only by knowing the Truth- His Teachings and commandments- that they can be set free from bondage/Slavery to sin by the Truth - John 8 vs 31 - 44

■ John, who is attributed with writing the Gospel according to John knew this and so could not have meant anything else by his statements in his letter to believers in 1 John 2 vs 2

Do you agree that through the sin of Adam, we all became sinners?
How much more through the obedience of Jesus? Bro, we are also all made righteous. Romans 5:12

dollynnn:
Are you mad ?
No manners whatsoever

Lol my bad.
Just surprised you expected more from him. That's all.

einsteine:
What makes you think they do?

It's just a pathetic money grab. The only reason Netflix would accept such a production is base tokenism, let's have diverse movies on Netflix otherwise if you are to judge it with the standard of other Netflix originals, Chief Daddy 2 should be in the trash bin. Almost all the actors on the production phoned it in and it has terrible writing and a plot that does not even attempt to make sense.

I'm in no position to critic or review the movie.
But my point is if someone finds it funny even amidst all the negative reviews, you can't fault that.

There are so many movies I enjoy but when you read their reviews online they make you feel it's the worst movie ever.

Maria mentioned the part of the movie that she found funny,I think that's the part she finds humorous probably cos she can relate to it. We can't fault her on that.

Even The Ghost and the Tout received so much negative reviews but some viewers found it funny.

My point being theres no need bashing her cos she found it funny.

Darkseidxx:
Madam wan trend
Eye service
You dy find movie role when they should be ploughing your holes

Actually the movie appeals to a certain demographic. And she gets the humor.

Pls have sense this new year.
Obviously the producer and director as well as Mo Abudu find it funny too.

[quote author=SisterFire post=109086247][/quote]Thanks.
Though I dont understand most of this, I'll do my research on it and get back to you.

pretydiva:
His native outfits always looks good on him

Exactly. He knows what works for him and from what I know he works with good fashion designers.

He always looks good and projects the African pride from his roots

Kobojunkie:
Questioning what case?

I said the statement is wrong since it isn't the Truth as revealed by Jesus Christ Himsellf and not what John, the author of the Gospel according to John, meant.

Your case would be to explain why my interpretation is wrong and give your interpretation citing your biblical reference.

Kobojunkie:
The statement in bold is wrong!

Your interpretation of the content of 1 John 2 vs 2 is wrong.

I would expect you would have presented your case after questioning mine.

dollynnn:

And he has spoilt everything with this statement. This goes to show how morally bankrupt he is. Just a little fame and little cash here and there, some people will start misbehaving.
While a sensible artiste who knows his onions and where he is coming from will focus on expanding his career and making more money,this one is here thinking of how to snatch and sleep with married women. Such is life
P.S
I wonder if he can even snatch any sensible married woman sef.

Are you mad?

You didnt know he was morally bankrupt just by looking at him?

You didn't know he was morally bankrupt when you listened to his song?

You didnt know he was morally bankrupt when you making tiktok videos to his song?

Pls, just be ready cos as he has rightly said,if you're married be ready cos he is coming for you.

hahn:
If he is old enough to fvck then he should be old enough to get his own apartment

Why you acting like you were never a teenager or undergrad?

When you have a girl and you know it's not safe to bring her to your house cos your parents will literally kill you, then that's your last resort.

I know cos I've been there done that.

It's however up to your friend.
If he has more freedom in his house than yours then,he would gladly be your wing man.
Otherwise na OYO you dey.

sonmvayina:
Muslim can also say the same thing

Ogun worshippers cab also say the same thing..

But none of then have any thing to do with the creator of heaven and earth..including Jesus.

He gave us rules and commandments to keep and follow. That is only what he desires of us. The idea of worshipping a crucified jew is not of God...

God never asked for it or ordered for it

Why should I waste my time on it?

You're certainly right about the bolded.

This is why religion continues to stand the test of time.
Cos whatever you believe, your faith attracts.

And as long as this works, instead of understanding what it's your faith that works, you attribute this to what is taught in a religious book.

I understand you.

Dtruthspeaker:
They are not relevant here.

Lol I can only imagine the apostles saying the same thing. Apparently we wont gave the Synoptic gospels and the epistles.

That's just an easy way of saying you don't have a covincing testimony of what you have chosen to be the truth.

Deborah98:
There's nothing I won't read or see on nairaland... Can I ask a question please? Why are atheists called freethinkers and what does it mean to be one?

But why should any human still be a slave when Jesus has paid the ultimate price to free all humankind according to the bible?

And why is it wrong to have knowledge outside the bible? When when Moses and the Hebrew brothers in Bablylon were groomed to be knowledgeable in all science in their time?

Dtruthspeaker:
The test of water is wetness, the test for fire is burning, light, heat and pain. The test of Truth is Fulfilment and Visual Confirmation!

Mind sharing your testimonies then?

hupernikao:
Bro. Hope there is no issue?

You aren't communicating like this. And it will affect your learning. You take things too personal the reason I found it hard to take you as an atheist. Anyone who is too emotional to religion discussion and claim to be an atheist is not really one. He is only battling some latent issue.

Lol his reaction doesnt validate your point. Clearly a theist or misotheist cannot say most of the things he says.

He has chosen to identify as an atheist and you should not assume to know him better than what he professes.

It's analogous to me assuming your more of a Jew because you do not believe in the Holyspirit.
Even though I actually have evidence of yours yet I cannot conclude on you.

hupernikao:
1. You still make assumptions for me. I haven't said anything about the Bible chronology.

2. We are checking history now not even Bible per say. You can't hide under the Holyspirit claim and fault historical facts. No Holyspirit will give you such knowledge. The inspiration of the Bible never removed the limitation of man in their time, such as their science, their language, their culture. That's the beauty of the scriptures. And evidence that man was used of God to write

Now
The problem we have most times is we are adamant to change our position on history even when things get clearer. But the truth is changing your position and embracing historical facts, ancient culture and knowledge doesn't negate word of God or the work of the holyghost.

Bible is not a historical or scientific book. It's a theological book. That means I don't need to seek for accuracy on the history of events even though it should be interpreted to align with historical evidences. Also it may fail in some scientific facts because it's not a science book and scientific knowledge start developing years after it's written. Hence I should not be afraid to relook at the scriptures to understand better in the light of the evidences at hand.

E. G. Joshua sun stopped, was a knowledge of their days. That's is what the scientist, the atheist of their days will also write. But we have better light now. It will now be wrong for me to be adamant and say such facts are wrong and keep claiming its the sun that stopped instead of the earth. This is where some failed and I mean both theist and atheist.


So, what is the take here.

I am not giving you my opinion I am giving you what we can see when we bring.

1. Historical evidences
2. Scientific evidences
3. Human accounts

Together, and align with Bible timeline to be able to adjust properly the timing of events. Because the writer weren't fixative on accounting for dates or years, or science, they are fixative on explaining God's plan for humanity. And that should be our focus.

NB
History put Mesopotamia as the earliest civilization even before China

https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/ancient-civilization/272856

And like I said. The flood story was in their legend and also in legend of all ancient civilization.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Great_Flood


So it could never have happened during the rise of ancient China as posited by HardMirror. His error is from reading the chronology in the scriptures as if the writer were writing history and have the most accurate tool to keep dates. Keeping dates is more scientific than art.

Bear in mind. Chronology from Adam to Joseph must have been transmitted orally as the writer and audience never met them but were taught from generation to generation. Preserving such dates accurately, will be an herculean task. Yet this doesn't remove a single fact from God's plan, purpose and inspiration for humanity.

I get you perfectly and I see your points.

But my question for you is this

You have claimed that the reason why the chronology cannot and should not be the basis for historical and scientific time calculations purpose is becaus the bible is a prophetic book.

However you failed to answer my most cogent question;

Your argument that the biblical chronology should not be used as a basis to date the flood or any other even, is this inspired by the Holyspiit, a Prophet or just you reading online?

HardMirror:
so so true. Also. I coding is interesting even though stressful. If you enjoy math, you will enjoy coding. You dont like Maths, dont waste your time with coding

Coding is not necessarily math. Though math helps.
Enjoying coding is more about the passion.

Coding is about your affinity about learning new things (not just math). And also maybe your necessity to make money.lol

How much math is in coding?

It's more about learning the commands that produce what outputs.

HellVictorinho3:
Pointless thread addressing the pointless use of words by someone being pointlessly stupid!!!!

The only point I've only accentuated here is that you should not make begging a habit.

It's ok to be broke once in a while like everyone else but to make begging a constant habit here is not befitting of you.

Call my words harsh or pointless but anyone who has sense will hear the truth in them.

Righteousness2:
I WILL SCREAM WITH ALL IN ME!!

THERE IS NO MORE TIME!! THIS SHIP IS SINKING FAST!
JESUS CHRIST IS COMING QUICKLY!
The Breath in your Nostrils is not in your Hands! HEAVEN and HELL are so Real!
JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAVED!
REPENT! RUN TO JESUS CHRIST NOW! Else you PERISH in HELL Fire!

Those who preached that the world would end soon are almost all dead.

It was their own world that ended, the world remains. For over 2000 years that this has been preached.

Everyone one of them thought with strkng conviction that they saw the signs of the end times. Yet earth continues to exist and they're almost all gone.

So do yourself a favour, let God speak to you before you jump on threads.

Dtruthspeaker:
Do you not see the things He is said to have said in the Bible that they are indeed Great and Powerful things which we are ourselves stand witnesses to?



I have told you severally in the past I never accept what I have not seen and tested to be True.

I am not like you fools who accepted what mummy and daddy and pastor OR WHO DO NOT KNOW HOW TO CARRY OUT VALID TESTS.

I am not like you

And this is where I stop talking for I have no tolerance for stupid people, with their abundance of stupidity.

Before you do stop talking, pray tell, what are the valid tests you have proven.

HellVictorinho3:
You are being irredeemably stupid for asking me stupid questions..... go ahead and continue with your irresponsible use of words ......!!!!!!




Is this how you were taught to investigate in school??........go ahead and tell the whole world that I was scheming!!!!

Ok. I think that's my cue.
This was a pointless thread after all.

HellVictorinho3:
Unless your children should be raped and robbed, the onus is on you to prove they're schemes.




Some will refuse to give to the devils what belongs to the kingdom of darkness until weapons are rightfully procured towards unimaginable destruction so that the world would know that certain things are not funny.




If only you were ever taught how to eat cow dung by ISIS or Boko Haram ,..... maybe you would have understood what it means to be distressed unspeakably.....call this one too a scheme..... yeah, it's a game because you have surrounded yourself with zombies that would protect you from other agents of terror...... even the politicians are aware of the relevance of disorder on the streets........it was never well.

Why should anyone give to the devil?
Unless they worship it?
And using terrorism as a basis for your argument doesnt prove you're a victim of one.

All I ask is simple, let people know that your shenanigans on NL are not schemes.

HardMirror:
imagine that guy o. I did not even know he is this ignorant and he wants to be discussing bible

You have made a good and need I say,though-provoking evaluation, it's up to intelligent and wise Christian's to either refute your point or accept the error and apologise.

There are so many other questions that prove the bible unreliable, like they claim the bible was inspired by the Holyspirit, how did they have verbatim words that were written from first point perspectives when no one was actually writing?

Like the conversations between Abraham and Isaac when no one was documenting it.

The conversation between Moses and God. (Though they claim Moses wrote the Pentateuch) yet he wrote about himself dying.

The conversation between David and God. (Though David can be excused to be a writer).

The conversation between Elijah/Elisha and God when they were both not writing these.

The different accounts of the Synoptic gospels. Almost all the disciples were abused as being illiterate. Supposedly only Matthew was a literate, so who was writing every encounter with Jesus Christ and quoting his every word?
Yet they seem to have differing accounts of his birth, his miracles, his resurrection.

Study of the bible proves this and many more.

hupernikao:
1. You still make assumptions for me. I haven't said anything about the Bible chronology.

2. We are checking history now not even Bible per say. You can't hide under the Holyspirit claim and fault historical facts. No Holyspirit will give you such knowledge. The inspiration of the Bible never removed the limitation of man in their time, such as their science, their language, their culture. That's the beauty of the scriptures. And evidence that man was used of God to write

Now
The problem we have most times is we are adamant to change our position on history even when things get clearer. But the truth is changing your position and embracing historical facts, ancient culture and knowledge doesn't negate word of God or the work of the holyghost.

Bible is not a historical or scientific book. It's a theological book. That means I don't need to seek for accuracy on the history of events even though it should be interpreted to align with historical evidences. Also it may fail in some scientific facts because it's not a science book and scientific knowledge start developing years after it's written. Hence I should not be afraid to relook at the scriptures to understand better in the light of the evidences at hand.

E. G. Joshua sun stopped, was a knowledge of their days. That's is what the scientist, the atheist of their days will also write. But we have better light now. It will now be wrong for me to be adamant and say such facts are wrong and keep claiming its the sun that stopped instead of the earth. This is where some failed and I mean both theist and atheist.


So, what is the take here.

I am not giving you my opinion I am giving you what we can see when we bring.

1. Historical evidences
2. Scientific evidences
3. Human accounts

Together, and align with Bible timeline to be able to adjust properly the timing of events. Because the writer weren't fixative on accounting for dates or years, or science, they are fixative on explaining God's plan for humanity. And that should be our focus.

NB
History put Mesopotamia as the earliest civilization even before China

https://kids.britannica.com/students/article/ancient-civilization/272856

And like I said. The flood story was in their legend and also in legend of all ancient civilization.

https://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Great_Flood


So it could never have happened during the rise of ancient China as posited by HardMirror. His error is from reading the chronology in the scriptures as if the writer were writing history and have the most accurate tool to keep dates. Keeping dates is more scientific than art.

Bear in mind. Chronology from Adam to Joseph must have been transmitted orally as the writer and audience never met them but were taught from generation to generation. Preserving such dates accurately, will be an herculean task. Yet this doesn't remove a single fact from God's plan, purpose and inspiration for humanity.

I appreciate your submissions here. I really do.

My question however is, if you will go to this length to gain credence for the bible, why not do the same for other religious books with similar claims?

I mean it's obvious that according to biblical accounts Hardmirror and you have accepted that there are errors in the timing of the flood.

But one of the basic reasons for refuting other religions books is these nconsistencies.

HellVictorinho3:
My reason is that some people deserve to be attacked in as many ways as possible!




I created the thread to state my mind!!!!




Damn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, judging by your moniker, you really have no choice but to be violent.

Whoever offended you on here, why not name them here and iron out your issues?

Cos just like me, I'm sure they just see through your schemes.
But if indeed it's not schemes, then you should prove it.

HellVictorinho3:
It will be so stupid of you not to ask why rich people finance violence everyday!!!!!!!




They do it because they have enemies!!!!!




You will still understand!!!!!!!!

There are several reasons;

1. Some like you rightly said, because they have enemies.

2. Some because violence is business- money and power for them.

So I'm interested in your own reason.

Modified: Just realised you created a thread for this. Why?

HellVictorinho3:
Just as some atheists stupidly believe certain things ...... it's not enough to say I don't have to respond..... it's a matter of 'who has enough money to spend on assassins or robbers or rapists or lawyers or judges or whatever element of destruction towards the destruction of things'



Honestly,my ambition is to make money towards financing violence in certain places......we shall see what is certain.

Why is financing violence your ambition?
Perhaps this is why you're broke.lol