₦airaland Forum

Generalnomercy:
Yoruba's are the real betrayers. Check your history..
Yoruba's are back stabbers.

They started the mess for their selfish interest, so why crying now?

Igbos have the right to vote anybody they want and we don't need any Yoruba contribution on that...

Go and take your pill.

Yoruba's if they have any atom of dignity should humble themselves and plead for forgiveness from other part of the South.

Which mess did Yoruba start?
Where did Yoruba have an agreement with you and your people?

From the first republic till date, who has always been playing second fiddle to the north?

How for an alliance with the north as against Awolowo in 1960 and 1963?

Who was Shagaru deputy in 1989?

Who was Tofa deputy during Abiola debacle with Babangida?

Who sided in the north to present Obj who was obviously not Yoruba choice as against the Yoruba anointed candidate of AD in the person of Alufalaye?

Who sided with Jonathan to completely marginalized the south-west during Jonathan presidency?

The Igbos always believe that they are wise why in reality they are very dull and lack foresight.

Conner44:
Op, southerners are all one with similar ideologies yes but the northern folks won’t want that to be the case so they create duplicate monikers and then sow seeds of discord on the forum.

They know the only way the country and citizens will be great is by joining together competitively but the north can’t really compete with the south can they?

Don’t be deceived.

It is a big fat lie, northerners are more generous and accompanying towards Yorubas than Igbos. All these comments you see here are the true reflection of an average Igbo man.

They are greedy, they always want to get what doesn't belongs to them. They hate Yoruba because of Lagos, they want to control Lagos by all means and that is why their main protagonist is Tinubu.

We the younger Yoruba will no longer play to the gallery, the era of political correctness is over, anyone living in our land must not be seen to be sabotaging our interest, the moment you are seen to be an enemy in our land, you will not get anything.

LegendHero:
The Yorubas on this thread should not make this an issue of politics so as not to derail the main essence of this thread.

The reason I created this is to show us the development and success of the Western region. We would have been the envy of the world if we had maintained that regional government truncated by the Igbos and logically executed later by the North. We would have achieved more as an independent entity than being in this union called Nigeria.

I am with you bro, I have the same believe that the Yoruba nation needs to go out of this union. Nigeria will never work with our current arrangement, it is holding us back as people

oilPUSSY:
If you are a Bajju or Jaba or Kataf man and you are a muslim, you are considered an abomination/outcast. You can't even stay in your village cos mosques are not allowed.

Hence among some tribes, the indigenous Southern Kaduna muslims are seen and counted as Hausas while Indigenous Hausa christians are counted as Southern Kaduna grin Religion plays a greater role than ethnicity of course.
This line caught my attention..

I can't believe that they would still stick to what they believe in despite oppression they are receiving from bitter northern Muslims.

Come to think of it, going by your analysis you have made previously, it seems that Christians have like 40 per cent of northern population, yet we keep overhyping these northern amajiri Moslems.

I am an advocate of unity of SE, SS and Middle belt (Excluding Kwara,Niger and Kogi). But middle belt Muslims among you guys will always serve as spoilers and ready for sabotage since their loyalty lies on Sokoto. The reason why some of us are afraid of Muslims is because of things that are associated with Islam. We don't want people that will corrupt our religious uniformity. In fact to me, the only people I personally consider as middle belt are, Southern Kaduna, Plateau, Taraba and Benue. I don't know how Muslims have taken over other middle belt States despite their low population.
Just look at Nasarawa, a supposed Christian state is being ruled by Muslim.. Gosh !!.How some of these Muslims deceive you guys during election is still a mystery to me.

That madnesses will never happen anywhere near SE and SS.. No Muslim will even dream of contesting any election in the aforementioned regions..

Why would you exclude Kwara and Kogi?

The Yoruba speaking part of Kogi state is predominantly Christian and they are very pro Yoruba and south in their outlook.

Nowenuse:
Yes you have a good point here. Igbominas and most people of Kwara south tend to love themselves irrespective of religion. They do not discriminate themselves. But many of them are being born and bred in Ilorin and after some time of mixing with Ilorin people, the Igbomina Muslims tend to inherit the Muslim extremist trait.
Ilorin people are Muslim extremist compared to other Yoruba Muslims.

Been a Muslim majority area, there are custom and traditions that give the wrong impression that people there are hostile towards none Muslim but Ilorin is generally a very peaceful town where people mingle and interact irrespective of religion.

My wife is a pure Ilorin indigene and when I brought her here to the North ( she was surprised ) how people take religious intolerance to a different level, she will say " people here take religion as a do or die affair when in reality it is only God that knows who is worshipping him" in a nutshell, she behaves like a typical southwestern woman.

I have lots of Ilorin friend, I have lots of friends from other part of Kwara and Yoruba land and it never occur to me that they are discriminatory towards Christians she.

IamAtikulate:
Yoruba moslems want One Nigeria

That is your problem my brother

Nowenuse:
Hmm, Kwara is one of the least familiar states to me in the north because it is a Yoruba domi nated sta te and I am most ly interested in northern state s with minority ethnic grou ps.

However, with what I know about Ilorin (the 5 LGAs that make up Ilorin emirate. i.e Kwara central + Moro LGA). They are overwhelmingly muslim in population. Although over the years they have seen some Christian converts. Also, the influx of other yorubas from the southwest and Kwara south has managed to boost the Christian population of the city.
Ilorin is a civil service city, so definitely, those who control the wealth of the state have to be those who dominate the civil service which is of course muslims. There is silent discrimination against Christians in the whole Kwara state and I've gotten this info from christian Kwara indigenes themselves.
So it shouldn't be a surprise however muslims treat Christians in Ilorin.
Also added by the fact that Ilorin indigenes have a high fulani mixture among them.

I am very familiar with Kwara state and Ilorin because I have one of my parent from there, Kwara is a civil servant state and the Ilorin people dominate the political landscape, the issue in Kwara is not about Muslim and Christian but mostly between Ilorin and others and between the Yoruba and ethnic minorities from the northern part of the state.

Kwara is generally a very poor state with wealth concentrated among some few families, reasons why Ilorin people hate the Sasaki family, he hasn't really used the political goodwill to empower the people of the emirate, despite the dominance of Ilorin, the people of Ofa, and other Yoruba ighomina people are doing very well within the Ilorin municipal areas.

mrvitalis:
Not in a way u think ,Igbo's never conquered anyone ....just want economic and political control like iseral

Political control is akin to conquering people.

If an independent Igbo nation will become an economic heavyweight then Igbo dominated states Nigeria should be the most developed around. How do you intend to be an economic superpower with your five states when you finally get Biafra?

mrvitalis:
How can we be great when Igbo's can't even dominate nigeria

And you think others will be waiting for you to dominate them?

This is the singular reasons why everyone is weary of you. In this age, you don't need to dominate others to live a successful life, you can live and let others live.

As a Yoruba man in my mid-thirties, I want a nation that works, every member of the society will be able to have access to every basic necessity of life like jobs, healthcare, electricity, good education and all other basic infrastructure.

mrvitalis:
A great Igbo nation ,that dominates africa

Why do you need to dominate others my brother?

guynextdoor:
As much as I hate to say it, the South is a slave to the north. Hate it or love it, they got you guys exactly where they've always wanted: divided south. It's very correct to say they own the country: they call the shots as they please. Nigeria is just so F'd up! If we decide to jettison zoning, these guys up north still got the numbers to turn things in their favor; and if we choose to go with zoning, the SW & SE will still continue exchanging political punches while the north, yet again, clinches power. The big Question is: what is that one thing that can unite the south? Once we understand that question, and are able to answer it, we will crush the north with all her shenanigans. Alas, SWners are just waking up to the game the north is playing; But, it's better late than never!

Southwest is not just waking up, southwesterners have always been in opposition to the Hausa -Fulani, our founding fathers know that Nigeria will never work if we don't have seni independent region for every ethnic nationality.

Coming back to your question, nothing can unite southern Nigeria because, to begin with, there is nothing like southern Nigeria. We have the Yorubas in the southwest, the Igbos in south-east and south-south and some ethnic minority in the nigerdeltas, these groups are as different as day and night.

The question is why should we united when we can all go our separate ways or live in our different semi-independent nation under one united Nigeria

akdjr:
The question is, is zoning constitutional? If yes why did other tribes contested the last election? I will definitely not support any candidate from the north by 2023 but I can't discourage them from contesting cos it's their constitutional right. Power is not given it must be taken! Don't just sit at your comfort zone and expect other tribes to just support you for the same ambition they are also interested in. It doesn't work that way bro! quote author=myobjective post=82705318]

Zoning is an integral part of a multi-ethnic country operation a central system of government. We will only do without zoning if we can do away with federal character, revenue sharing and when we have true resources control.

The north wants to eat their cake and have it, they hardly contribute anything to the revenue they partake in sharing yet no one is complaining, they get top jobs in the civil service commission due to federal character, no one raised an eyebrow but when they perceive that they have some advantage due to massive illiterate population that they can easily farm vote from they are now shouting no zoning

Did any of the major party present any southern candidates? That us the question you need to ask yourself first.

Did any major southern heavyweight politicians talk about jettisoning zoning in the last election? But when you have people like el rufai a member of the ruling party scheming and coming out publicly to say there shouldn't be zoning, then you should know the handwriting on the wall.

farouk2much:
That's good bashir tofa.......... Kwankwaso all the way

As the president of northwestern Nigeria ba?

YorubaHero12:
I support you brother.

It’s time to put the north where they belong. They should be subservient to the south coz we have been bankrolling them since 1914. We give them every resource they need and yet they think themselves as some sort of invincible being.

Thank God the Yorubas are getting woke, they will hear it soon.

I love to read your comment bro, you are a true Yoruba.

The Yoruba can operate as an independent nation, we don't need the north for anything and they should never be in a position to dictate for us.
I will be happy for an independent Yoruba nation than having a Yoruba president in 2023

ejimatic:
. The death of zoning in 2023 will give birth to three nations then namely Federal Republic of Arewa Federal Republic of Oduduwa and Bianfran Republic...... As for me I believe in our unity......The cabal know zoning is not negotiable.

I don't believe in any stupid unity of this nation, no single Yoruba man should believe the unity of Nigeria, the north needs Nigeria to continue to exist and project power, we the people of southwest don't need Nigeria, it is the Nigeria state that needs us.

The Hausa-Fulani should never be in any position to dictates to rest of us because they hardly bring anything to the table.

akdjr:
Zoning is unconstitutional. Let whoever that want to contest come out and test his/her popularity. In the past election, I have seen different tribes contesting despite the zoning adoption by APC and PDP. If the youth truly controls the block votes, let's organize a convention and decided who to put in power. I am ever ready to serve in any capacity for the struggle of youth emancipation.

Zoning is an integral part of every multi-ethnic country operation a central system of government. We will only do without zoning if we can do away with federal character, revenue sharing and when we have true resources control.

The north wants to eat their cake and have it, they hardly contribute anything to the revenue they partake in sharing yet no one is complaining, they get top jobs in the civil service commission due to federal character, no one raised an eyebrow but when they perceive that they have some advantage due to massive illiterate population that they can easily farm vote from, they are now shouting no zoning

ajebuter:
Coming from the real ' owners of Nigeria'

You better believe it!

South must get sense by force..

Only in your dream. Igbo's kind of have a hate and love relationship with the Hausa-fulani due to their seated inferiority complex but we Yoruba see them as an equal partner in the institution called Nigeria. No one is born to rule, all men are born equal but some men might have sold their right to aim for the top job due to the hate and cowardice.

Yorubas will always aim for the top job and when we can't get it under any fair arrangement we will opt out of the union.

APCHaram:
This idiot that campaigned on introducing Sharia law for Kano when running for Governor which he will later do when he was elected.

As I said their problem is not one useless mosque but Wike's declaration of Rivers as a Christian State.

Wike has told them by that statement that their jihadist plans can never succeed in Rivers and that is why they are hyperventilating.

I am in support of your position on this.

The problem is not even Wike declaration, but the hypocrisy of northern political figures that always like to chase none issues when more glaring societal issues are starting them in the face.

People are been kidnapped on a daily basis along Abuja-Kaduna road that connects his states to the federal capital, we didn't hear him say anything.

Banditry and insecurity is destroying neighbouring states of Zamfara and Katsina, the legislator didn't say any world

With this inconsequential propaganda demolition news, we can all see him swing to action in other to score cheap popularity among the multitude of gullible northerners.

Captainrambo2:
Tinubu won't even win in the south. If you re rooting for him just prepare for 8 years pdp northern president. Just telling you the truth here

I am rooting for him. You people with very limited knowledge of Nigeria political landscape always overestimate the north as some kind of vote factory. Mark my wide, provided Tinubu wins the APC primary, will win the presidency against any northerner that PDP might present.

tollyboy5:
Ignorance is your portion. tinubu is not a native and I'm facing my state for now , let other southwest state face their state and leave Lagos alone. Don't insult us with naming tinubu native. we are not FOOLS we know our history. till tomorrow okran of badagry would not stoop so low like akiolu of Lagos island. Epe natives are there go and fight them for blasting tinubu you that feel you're in control na. una Neva see anything every eye are open if it would result to militancy we won't have better choice.

So, what do you want Mr epe?
Your rant shows you up to be a local champion crying for recognition, there is nothing you can do about the Yoruba demography of Lagos, Tinubu is a Lagos indigene and he will continue to direct the affairs of the state as long as he continues to live.

wowcatty:
You are either a non Yoruba or a Yoruba with slave mentality, no free-born Yoruba will talk this way. None of the excuses you gave even if true is worth selling one's child over unless of course you are an impostor or a hopeless slave.

Don't mind him, he is not Yoruba!

We will stand behind Tinubu whenever he declares to be president of Nigeria. We will no longer allow any outsider to blackmail us from throwing our son under the bus.

APCHaram:
Iblad0994, Myobjective can you pls clarify the following :
1. Is Saudi Arabia the model state for all Muslims

2. Does Saudi Arabia tolerate the practice of any other religion apart from Islam

3. Does Saudi Arabia allow for the building of Churches

4. Are Christian paraphernalia including the Bible and Cross not banned from being imported into Saudi Arabia

5. What is the penalty for apostasy in Saudi Arabia

6. What is the penalty for Christian evangelism

7. Are Christian holidays and celebrations allowed in Saudi Arabia

Your answer will determine if you are true Muslims.

To begin with, Islam and Christianity are both monotheistic religion, rooted in the same region, this two religion started as an offshoot of Judaism and their doctrine reflects the prevalent economic and political reality of the time.

Saudi Arabia is a middle eastern nation that wants to practise Islam the way it was practised in the 6th century, where there was no human right or modern concept of right and wrong, it is their nation and they can choose to live whichever way they wish. If countries like Turkey the custodian of the last great Islamic empire can decide to go secular due to the need for modernity, I don't think we Africans that just took upon the religion can't be a secular with our belief.

Religiosity increase with an increased level of poverty illiteracy and underdeveloped, reasons why most states in Africa, middle east and south America are more religious than developed Western European, North America and Japan and South Korea. With development, many aspects of the faith will be left behind.

Finally, I don't need you to validate if I am a true Muslim or fake Muslim.

APCHaram:
Your religious tolerance confusion led to the sacking of the old capital of the Oyo Empire, loss of Ilorin to Sokoto, invasion of all Yoruba land, occupation of Osogbo and jihadist raids all over the empire.

All subtle jihadist expansionism in present day into Yoruba land by Sokoto is being done with the full support of Yoruba Muslims who act as both enablers to Sokoto jihadism not only in your region but the entire south and Christian middle belt.

The Yoruba Muslims here are the number 1 Fulani apologists and are the ones who are quick to defend and absolve the Fulanis from criminal activity while deflecting to other people or groups.

I am not a Fulani apologist, you can view all my comment here, I have live around them and I know that religion to them is a means to an end, it is a political ideology that they use to garner sympathy for political domination.

We Yorubas view politics from the prism of ethnicity, we value our shared culture my than anything, we see Nigeria as a conglomerate of nations with different nations that have nothing in common, we are Yoruba first before any religion we may follow.

The so-called Sultan of Sokoto doesn't have any real power even over northern Muslim, his position is more ceremonial than anything, it is only on this page we see Igbo biggie him up due they're seated inferior complex.
Yorubas don't follow the core north for religious guardians, even in the north, we have our own mosque, our own community and act differently.

Fulani jihadist expansion is only a filament of your own imagination. if the Fulanis have not successfully Islamized northwestern states like kebbi, Katsina or Kaduna and northeastern states like Borno, Adamawa, Taraba, Bauchi, Gombe etc. All these states with a substantial large Christian population. Is it in faraway southwestern Nigeria where they have close to zero political clouts they will now islamize?

TooMuchStuff:
The peace of the house is always guaranteed until the Omo ale is grown up as a man.
Yoruba Muslims are actually minority for now. Wait for the next 10 yrs from now to witness yoruba Muslims Jihadists like the barbaric core north. It's Islam

Who told you that?
I am from a local government with a majority Muslim population, in fact, growing up, we hardly see any Christian around but my grandmother whose parents were originally from Ekiti state do celebrate Christmas because despite being a practising Muslim, her parent died as Christians. We are tolerant, we are Yoruba first before any religion, we will never hate our brother because of the religion they choose to practice.

Islam has been with yoruba before Christianity. We are Yoruba and we believe in our culture first before religion.

TooMuchStuff:
Who be dis head slamming double faced munafiqum?

I am a proud Yoruba man, I am human first before any Abrahamic religion I may choose to follow, I respect the right of others to practice their faith as long as it doesn't interfere with my fundamental human rights.

Religious bigotry will not take you, people, anywhere

Iblad0994:
Bro you are missing the fact together here. Stop trying to make it seems like we need validation from the North before we can pronounce ourselves Muslim in the SW. Was the Quran given to the North? Is Mohammed from the North? Is Mecca in the North?

I'm even tired of explaining. The Yorubas do not care whether the North accept us as true Muslim or not.

If blowing up churches and mosques, killing other religious folks, and toxicity towards other faith is what you mean by real Muslim with regards to some part of the north, then sorry is your case.

The Igbos are so afraid of the Fulani -Hausa that they believe subconsciously that every tolerant Muslim is some kind of fake Muslim, they wouldn't admit this fact.

Yorubas don't need validation from Hausas or Fulani to practice whatever religion they choose to practice, our culture is different, our outlook towards life is different and so also is our temperament, the fact that the core northerners are violent doesn't mean that Yorubas can't live in peace with one another despite having a substantial number of Muslims.

Iblad0994:
If Wike like he should demolish all the mosque in Rivers, that is their own cup of tea. Both the North and the SE/SS are bird of a feather. Both have no religion tolerance and are both guilty of the same sin. If Hausa/Fulani like they should demolish all churches while the SS/SE should do the same. Who religion even epp self.

I just know those kind of things will not happen in the SW, and even if it happens it will not generate any rancor as this coz people will understand the motive behind it (Maybe road expansion or other reasons).

As a Muslim in the SW, I take no offense in what Wike did, coz the Northerners can also do the same so its do me I do you.

I keep telling people that the core north and the SE/SS are very similar in their extreme view towards religion, they are both religious extremist that lack tolerance for other people's faith. The only difference between these two groups is that Islam is more of a political ideology that can make uneducated people do stupid things, Christianity, on the other hand, focus much on the worldly things.

These two groups are very extreme and normally take actions without reasoning, an average Yoruba Muslim is more educated, more tolerant and has more diversity in family and among friends that is the difference between us Yoruba and the core northerner. Some progressive, educated core northerners are even more tolerant than an Igbos.

In this age and time, it baffles me that people are still arguing about which state is a Christian or Muslim state when we have a myriad of problem ranging from poverty, illiteracy, unemployment etc.

Raysleek:
Lol even interns will still grow. And an intern that owns two houses in Lagos is not a bad intern at all so Don't feel so high up your horse.. And don't teach me about power. Just post your degree let me post mine. While at it you can also post your account statement while I post mine( incase you want to go down that lane).
My own is that you should just have sense.

The guy is right, you may have to reevaluate your position. Electricity is not cheap all over the world, you need to look at it from the perspective of generation, transmission and distribution. The distribution companies have been fully privatised and they have to account for every watt of electricity allocated to them by the generating firm.

To have uninterrupted electricity IPPS is the way but the government will have to fully privatise the sector to allow for market forces to determine the price. If we can build an integrated pipeline all over the nation to carry cheap gas from Nigerdelta to every part of Nigeria, then small power plants with a capacity of 1 to 30Megawatt can be set up across estate, market, financial institutions, schools and industrial park to service their power demand

rosebowl01:
I truly understand, but it's just that I do not see this problem primarily as an ethnic issue (although it's now a major symptom), the main problem is the few stealing from the gullible majority and using religion and ethnicity as a cover. What are the benefits of Tinubu's stolen wealth to the Yoruba populace, or his muslim brethren? That should get you thinking. Ignore the sometimes childish attitude of our brothers from SE. They are equally facing the same challenges as us.
Conclusion, are you sure the "gullibility" finger you are pointing is not a reflection of yourself?

You are not Yoruba and your attempt of using religion to divide the Yorubas will never work. If you are a Igbo resident of Southwestern Nigeria, you don't have the right to question our leaders, that right is reserved to Yorubas alone.

Malawian:
Until we invade Alausa and drag out the drug addict. You think we are playing abi?

That will be the end of you people in Lagos, any attack on Tinubu is an on the Yoruba nation. Ipob be warn

Ojiofor:
Tinubu a very smart crook that has placed Lagos state on a trillion debt without good road, steady electricity,healthcare or even provide pipe-borne water in your homes and trasport system is in a mess?What made him a great leader that I should be envy of?Lagos have always been more developed than other states even before Tinubu was born been former capital and economic center of Nigeria.
Guy abeg shift.Maybe unlike you, I have lived in developed countries and see good governance first hand and know what good leadership is all about. Awo was a selfless leader who worked for his people while Tinubu is a thief stealing from the poor.
Unlike Awo,what have Yoruba masses benefited from Tinubu?

The problem with people like you isn't he believe that you are smart while in reality, you are just a dumb tribalist who can't see anything good about others.

For a start, Lagos is a city of over 15m people with total revenue of less than $2billion ( this revenue was much smaller years ago when Lagos was totally dependent on the federal government, before Tinubu internal revenue revolution). How do you build this world-class infrastructure, provide the pipe-borne water, free health care ( as if the state government all over the world provide such services), build rail and build world-class schools?

Comparing a highly populated city in a poor third world country to those in the western world that has had hundreds of years to developed basic infrastructure, and with a good tax-paying scheme is unfair.
Lagos is not London, Berlin, Newyork, Tokyo, or even Seol, it is a city that is trying to generate revenue, use this revenue to solve the problem of overcrowding and must be put in that category.

Tinubu is a blessing to the Yoruba nation, we love him respect him and adore him. We know he is human and has his shortcoming, any attack on Tinubu is an attack on the Yoruba nation and we will never take it likely.

Turantula:
Nice one, but you forgot to add :
Henceforth every region should also manage and control all resources within its area
Catchment/quota system should be abolished in every government agency
Countries practising true democracy do not do these, irrespective of their size and diversity

Nice one, the guy is being wise by half.
True federalism requires that every region should arrange and organise their economy and plan base on what they have. The north wants to dominate Nigeria politics based on landmass without bringing anything to the table. They can't dominate us based on the landmass, they insist no rotational presidency then, then we will insist on true federalism where every state manage their resources